Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jan 2011 01:21

^^^ It could be related to visitors to TSP and their statements.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 12 Jan 2011 01:49

ramana wrote:^^^ It could be related to visitors to TSP and their statements.

Yeah it kind of looks like PM is pre-empting VPOTUS statements.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 12 Jan 2011 04:06

partha wrote:http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/11/mainstre ... istan.html
Mainstream extremism: Is secularism dying in Pakistan?
This reminds me of George Carlin's line - "how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room."

Build an Islamic state and then wonder what happened to Secularism?

Its not just about secularism but about rule of law. That's what is missing when rose petals are thrown on murderer.

Its well known that in Gulf, during babri masjid, rule of law was given precedence over political Islamic ideology.
In Muscat a number of Babri Masjid well wishers from TSP had taken out a procession, with a few sprinkling of misguided Indians too.
Needless to say within a day all of them were rounded off and were sent on one way ticket back to their countries, with their visas permanently cancelled.
This was repeated in other Gulg countries also.
They were lucky that they did not leave a hand or leg behind, as full sharia would have meant that.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 12 Jan 2011 06:56

A_Gupta wrote:What constitutes blasphemy:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 354246.4d1 (google news item, link may disappear)

MULTAN, Pakistan — A Pakistan court has jailed a Muslim prayer leader and his 20-year-old son for life on controversial blasphemy charges in the rural centre of the country, court officials said Tuesday.
...
Mohammad Shafi, 45, and his son Mohammad Aslam, 20, were arrested in April last year for removing a poster outside their grocery shop advertising an Islamic event in a nearby village which allegedly contained Koranic verses.

Judge Mohammad Ayub, heading an anti-terrorism court in the central Pakistani town of Muzaffargarh, handed down a life sentence to the pair on Monday, his assistant Faisal Karim told AFP by telephone.

The prosecution alleged organisers of the event, which commemorated the anniversary of the Prophet Mohammad's birth, said the pair had "pulled the poster down, tore it and trampled it under their feet," Karim said.

"The judge sentenced them to life imprisonment on charges of blasphemy and ordered them to pay a fine of 200,000 rupees ($2,350) each," he said.

Defence counsel Arif Gurmani vowed to challenge the verdict in the high court because "it has been given in haste" and was the result of inter-faith rivalries, he said.

"Both are Muslims. The case is the result of differences between Deobandi and Barelvi sects of Sunni Muslims," he said.

"Shafi is a practising Muslim, he is the imam of a mosque and he had recently returned from a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.... I am defending them because I am convinced they are not guilty of blasphemy," he said.

Trampling on Koranic verses sounds like a crime befitting wazib-ul-qatal, hopefully the highcourt would convert the sentence from life in prison to death by stoning!

AoA!

amit · Post by **amit** » 12 Jan 2011 07:13

pgbhat wrote:
^^^ It could be related to visitors to TSP and their statements.
Yeah it kind of looks like PM is pre-empting VPOTUS statements.

I think one should take stock of just how much of the "half-way" journey has actually been taken, apart from the constant talk about going "half-way". And yes, meanwhile, Pakistan burns very nice and slow in a BBQish manner.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Jan 2011 07:16

^^^Wow.

Could raa pls hire a crop duster or something and drop 100s of 1000s of pamphelets with holi verses onto karachi and lawhore and then watch diwali happen only.... see, anyone who steps on any one of 'em holi pamphlets commits blashphemy and becomes wajib-ul-qatal onlee.....suddenly Pak would become an 80s rockn'roll fan with urban citizenry overnight walking like an egyptian only....LOL

amit · Post by **amit** » 12 Jan 2011 07:17

Hari Seldon wrote:^^^Wow.

Could raa pls hire a crop duster or something and drop 100s of 1000s of pamphelets with holi verses onto karachi and lawhore and then watch diwali happen only.... see, anyone who steps on any one of 'em holi pamphlets commits blashphemy and becomes wajib-ul-qatal onlee.....suddenly Pak would become an 80s rockn'roll fan with urban citizenry overnight walking like an egyptian only....LOL

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 12 Jan 2011 07:20

^ brilliant

Zardari Ally to Succeed Slain Official in Pakistan

The new governor, Sardar Muhammad Latif Khan Khosa, a lawyer by profession and a former senator, is considered a close associate and confidant of Mr. Zardari and his late wife, the former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Jan 2011 07:23

Going half the way has its problems, especially if you take the meaning literally rather than figuratively.

It's like the old question of when you will get from point A to point B if you keep measuring how long it takes to go half the way.

First you get halfway from A to B in X seconds
Then you go halfway from that halfway point in X/2 seconds
Then you go half the remaining distance in X/4 seconds
Then half of what is left in a further X/8 seconds
..and so on. You will never get there by half measures.

Shows the futility of arguing with a rhetorical analogy

The analogy is never exact so is not illustrative of reality
Even if you refute the analogy you have failed to refute the reality
The person who used the analogy is going LOL because he has successfully diverted your attention from the real issue and made you fight with an analogy

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Jan 2011 08:26

Dipanker wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:What constitutes blasphemy:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 354246.4d1

Mohammad Shafi, 45, and his son Mohammad Aslam, 20, were arrested in April last year for removing a poster outside their grocery shop advertising an Islamic event in a nearby village which allegedly contained Koranic verses.
Trampling on Koranic verses sounds like a crime befitting wazib-ul-qatal, hopefully the highcourt would convert the sentence from life in prison to death by stoning!

People have been arrested under Blasphemy & Hudood Laws for ridiculous reasons such as the above. One mentally unstable person who set his house afire was arrested for having caused the burning of the Koran inside the house. Another, a blind woman was arrested for lodging a complaint of rape because she neither had four pious male witnesses of pious standing who saw the act nor was she able to identify the rapist.

The trouble is that once somebody accuses another of blasphemy or zina (adultery), the State can do very little about that. If the Police fail to arrest an accused blasphemer they become blasphemers themselves. Any disregard of Hudood Laws is considered heresy under Islam. In either case, the police and their police-station become fair game for attack. This concept then extends to the judges hearing these cases. Therefore, there is no escape for a person who is accused of these. Adultery, especially, is a hadd (most serious) crime and death is the only punishment. This is non-bailable too. Musharraf, to be fair to him, did enlarge 1300 women who were incarcerated under Hudood Law on bail through a one-time Presidential Ordinance. However, when the time came to introduce the Bill in the National Assembly on 18th Aug 2006 to make the one-time Presidential Ordinance into a regular Law, most of the Members of the National Assembly, both Treasury and Opposition, abstained leading to the Speaker calling it off for lack of quorum.

Pakistan Paindabad.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 12 Jan 2011 08:37

'Chota Rajan's men killed Riyaz Bhatkal in Karachi'

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/india ... 110112.htm

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 12 Jan 2011 08:38

Hussain Haqqani about F16`s?

"Pakistan has bought 18 new Lockheed Martin Corp. F-16 jets from the United States, equipped with night-flying capabilities and precision munitions. Those aircraft, which Haqqani said are not yet fully deployed, will enable Pakistani forces to drop laser-guided and satellite-guided bombs under cover of darkness.

The Pakistani air force has so far depended on 35 older- model F-16s built in the 1980s, which Haqqani said have been used in the Bajaur and Mohmand tribal areas. The new jets “will be used against terrorists and extremists, whenever they are needed,” he said.

On Salmaan Taseer`s Murder?

"Let’s be real here: 30,000 people marching in a city of 12 million is not really evidence of enormous support,” Haqqani said. “If these guys could actually get elected, they would. They use the gun because they can’t get elected.”

AND, fyi this guy has not come home in the past 28 months? Why?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/201 ... oots-.html

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Jan 2011 08:49

menon s wrote: Ssridar sir,
There are secret letters written by Md Ali jinnah to Churchill. He used to address it to Churchills secretary, one Miss E A Gallait,6 Westminster Gardens, London.. They are available at the India records office at London.

Any idea how to get hold of the text of these letters?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Jan 2011 09:30

BTW, the point of the Allama Iqbal stuff on the previous post should be clear - he seems to have commemorated with poetry the extra-judicial killing of 3 sets of blasphemers, if the commentator is to be trusted. In the light of which, the showering of Qadri with flowers should not shock anyone.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Jan 2011 09:50

amit wrote:I think one should take stock of just how much of the "half-way" journey has actually been taken, apart from the constant talk about going "half-way". And yes, meanwhile, Pakistan burns very nice and slow in a BBQish manner.

Oh really? What about this "Saffron trrror" nonsesne and the diabolical equivalence MMS has set up between Mumbai and so called "Saffron terror" which TSP is already exploiting. What about this crap about his eagerness to talk to TSP despite Mumbai? Thats not going more than half way? I am amazed the extent to which someone can go to spin MMS's appeaqsement policy. He would go the full mile if not for the semblance of opposition there is.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 Jan 2011 10:02

CRamS wrote: Oh really? What about this "Saffron trrror" nonsesne and the diabolical equivalence MMS has set up between Mumbai and so called "Saffron terror" which TSP is already exploiting. What about this crap about his eagerness to talk to TSP despite Mumbai? Thats not going more than half way? I am amazed the extent to which someone can go to spin MMS's appeaqsement policy. He would go the full mile if not for the semblance of opposition there is.

+1

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 Jan 2011 10:06

India says won’t share info with Pakistan

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india ... an/736215/

A day after Pakistan sought an update on the investigation pertaining to the Samjhauta Express blast, the government on Tuesday ruled out sharing of information at this stage and said that it was “too premature”. The Ministry of Home Affairs has informed the Ministry of External Affairs to convey to Islamabad that the National Investigation Agency (NIA) has not completed its probe into the 2007 explosion that claimed 68 lives.

amit · Post by **amit** » 12 Jan 2011 10:19

CRamS wrote:Oh really? What about this "Saffron trrror" nonsesne and the diabolical equivalence MMS has set up between Mumbai and so called "Saffron terror" which TSP is already exploiting. What about this crap about his eagerness to talk to TSP despite Mumbai? Thats not going more than half way? I am amazed the extent to which someone can go to spin MMS's appeaqsement policy. He would go the full mile if not for the semblance of opposition there is.

CRS,

Before you burst a blood vein, you should stop to realise that the Safforn Terror nonsense - and it is nonsense, that's for sure - is not an appeasement policy aimed at TSP.

IMO it's a Congress attempt to shift the focus of attention from the 2G scam and a knee jerk reaction to the drubbing in Bihar, especially with more Assembly elections coming up in the Hindi Heartland. The strategy is despicable no doubt (at least I don't have any doubt) but it's not aimed as TSP.

The problem boss is that you tend to see everything with the prism of TSP. A lot of the moves taken by this govt and others are also aimed at the domestic crowd.

Added later: See the post just above this one. Is that also part of the "Safforn trrror" appeasement policy MMS has towards TSP?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jan 2011 10:24

CRS is laser focused on TSP as we should all be.

amit · Post by **amit** » 12 Jan 2011 10:27

ramana wrote:... as we should all be.

Oh agree totally on this point. But that should not be at the cost of objectivity and sense of proportion. We live in a complex world and it's not a zero sum game.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jan 2011 10:30

When the others see it as a zero sum game we lose if we see it as something else. Recall Prithivi Raj and his forgiveness towards Ghori.
Thats all CRS is pointing out.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 12 Jan 2011 10:35

SSridhar wrote:

People have been arrested under Blasphemy & Hudood Laws for ridiculous reasons such as the above. One mentally unstable person who set his house afire was arrested for having caused the burning of the Koran inside the house. Another, a blind woman was arrested for lodging a complaint of rape because she neither had four pious male witnesses of pious standing who saw the act nor was she able to identify the rapist.

The trouble is that once somebody accuses another of blasphemy or zina (adultery), the State can do very little about that. If the Police fail to arrest an accused blasphemer they become blasphemers themselves. Any disregard of Hudood Laws is considered heresy under Islam. In either case, the police and their police-station become fair game for attack. This concept then extends to the judges hearing these cases. Therefore, there is no escape for a person who is accused of these. Adultery, especially, is a hadd (most serious) crime and death is the only punishment. This is non-bailable too. Musharraf, to be fair to him, did enlarge 1300 women who were incarcerated under Hudood Law on bail through a one-time Presidential Ordinance. However, when the time came to introduce the Bill in the National Assembly on 18th Aug 2006 to make the one-time Presidential Ordinance into a regular Law, most of the Members of the National Assembly, both Treasury and Opposition, abstained leading to the Speaker calling it off for lack of quorum.

Pakistan Paindabad.

Replace Islam with Communism and Pakistan with USSR and other Communist countries.
End is near.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 Jan 2011 10:43

We do not have psychic powers so we can only guess the motivations of people.

The real question is: "Who benefits from these insinuations?" If Digvijay Singh discusses a book on how 26/11 was done by someone not from LeT, then it clearly strengthens Pakistani hands. If LeT was not involved, why not restart the composite dialogue?

If terrorism from Pakistan is not the most central problem facing India, then we should move some troops from LoC to Nagpur.

amit · Post by **amit** » 12 Jan 2011 10:57

^^^^^^

You know I've found out over time that if there's a simple explanation to a particular event, most times that's the correct explanation.

The going halfway statement from MMS could be what ramana and pgbhat alluded to. To pre-empt anything the Potus czars may say while in Pakistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Jan 2011 11:05

A_Gupta wrote:
menon s wrote: Ssridar sir,
There are secret letters written by Md Ali jinnah to Churchill. He used to address it to Churchills secretary, one Miss E A Gallait,6 Westminster Gardens, London.. They are available at the India records office at London.
Any idea how to get hold of the text of these letters?

A_Gupta, APAC – Asia, Pacific and Africa Reading Room has taken over these records after the India Records Office was closed down. Chatham House may also have many records.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Jan 2011 11:07

jamwal wrote: Replace Islam with Communism and Pakistan with USSR and other Communist countries.
End is near.

Funny, Allama Iqbal wrote that Islam = Bolshevism + God.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Jan 2011 11:19

When our Commerce Minister, Anand Sharma, expressed consternation at the sudden ban by Pakistan of onion export, I was expecting a verbal retaliation from their Foreign Minister/Foreign office about the Indian withdrawal from commitment of exporting cotton. But, there was none. Nevertheless, India quickly decided to undo the cotton export ban and the Secretary, Min of Textiles explained it away by saying that cotton arrivals had picked up and we will exceed target. Anand Sharma either probably forgot that cotton ban or was feigning ignorance or whatever. The mutual interdependence that the Americans have been talking about as a tension-reducer and a friendship-builder seemed to have worked this time.

I see the same scenario now repeating with this saffron terror nonsense. If India refuses to share details, Pakistan will justifiably do the same thing with the 26/11 investigation. The US will mediate (covertly) and God knows what will happen then because the present GoI is not strong in the knees when it comes to the US. Again, another feather for the interdependence theory. In my teens, I immensely enjoyed Piloo Mody's, 'I am a CIA agent' badge on his shirt that ridiculed the paranoia of Mrs. Indira Gandhi. I am no longer so sure.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Jan 2011 13:23

Two points that I've noticed:
1. The saffron terror angle seems to be the result of the Congress think tank plan to deflect attention from the various scams that have surfaced.
Notice that the charge is being personally lead by Rahul baba no less. So blaming MMS for this is a bit pointless. MMS as we all know has very little to do with domestic policymaking as far as Cong(I) is concerned.
The saffron terror story is as close as it gets to the 'Wag the dog' movie. An issue is being created out of thin air, and it gets huge airtime in the media. It will be used as a stick to beat the opposition, and used as a slur thereafter for eternity - along the lines of 'we are secular onree and must prevent the non secular from coming to power'.
-Shows how much the politics has sunk to in India.
-Shows how impotent the BJP really is as an opposition, taking BS lying down.

(Disclaimer: I DON'T VOTE FOR THE BJP)

Also no point in taking umbrage to the 'willing to travel more than halfway to make peace' statement. All chai-biskoot IMHO

2. Joe Biden is meeting Geelani and Kiyani onlee. Not meeting AAZardari - is that the message that the khakhis were looking for? Is the US willing to appease the Faujis long standing demand for a more 'central' and 'direct' role in running pakistan in return for movement on a longstanding US demand for action in North Waziristan?
AAZ might take that one way flight out of pakistan soon, or else...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Jan 2011 13:45

Jihadi media is booming

Among the 80-odd publications that suspected militant organisations are putting out are 18 weeklies, 40 fortnightlies and 22 monthlies. The publications are frequently published in Urdu with a heavy dose of Arabic and some English thrown in for good measure to cater to all social circles in Pakistan. “We are selling a copy from Rs 5 to Rs 10,000 for those who want to support our organisations since funding and collection is restricted,” a top Kashmiri jihadi leader proudly announced.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Jan 2011 13:48

Joe Biden is meeting Geelani and Kiyani onlee. Not meeting AAZardari - is that the message that the khakhis were looking for? Is the US willing to appease the Faujis long standing demand for a more 'central' and 'direct' role in running pakistan in return for movement on a longstanding US demand for action in North Waziristan?
AAZ might take that one way flight out of pakistan soon, or else...

Wow, if zardu balm could be offered assylum in Yindia, that would be a coup d'grace. One that the khakis too would be eager to embrace as it would discredit the PPP and bring nawaz back to power and full blown sharia in all its gory, err glory, can then be implemented in the land of the purest only.....yay!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 12 Jan 2011 13:48

almost certainly biden will be told - 'look we want to help you, its those damned injuns not talking peace with us...' which is the standard line. biden will then come to india and repeat and babus will respond and time will be wasted.

now biden can reply 'but they are ready onlee...'

and paquis will need to put up or shut up

you have to remember, the faujis dont want to talk peace at all, its in their interest to prolong war as much as possible

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Jan 2011 14:17

One other possibility is that a couple of retired faujis form some sort of political party and come to power in Pakistan.
Something along these lines has been attempted for a very long time by Messers Mirza Aslam Beg, Hamid Gul and recently Baggarat Musharraf. Provides a very attractive post-retirement employment, ghooskhori, and power-misuse option to the spoilt faujis there.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 12 Jan 2011 14:27

Be-g, Gul aur Musharraf
tara-ram-pam pam-pum-paam!
jo GUBO karwaya
lo haazir main aaya
malikon ka main dost
janata ka dushman
dey dollar donation...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Jan 2011 16:07

India & Pakistan cannot live in perpetual hostility: Pranab Mukherjee

Citing the collapse of the Berlin Wall that unified Germany, {I hope the FM is not suggesting a union because that is exactly not what we want. The Pakistanis will interpret this as a hidden desire of India to gobble up Pakistan, a scenario that they have consistently portrayed ever since 1947. Germany was not split on ideology, but by occupation. In Pakistan, the splittist ideology that Thus, the Berlin Wall analogy is completely wrong.} Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee has said that differences between India and Pakistan may be resolved one day since the two cannot wish each other away and live in “perpetual tension“.

“I do not have the capacity to indulge in the romanticism that like Berlin Wall, one day the differences may go. How the course of history will take turn, nobody can predict with that precision. It may happen”, he said here last night at the launch of eminent journalist M.J. Akbar’s book “Tinderbox-The Past and Future of Pakistan“.

He said the collapse of the Berlin Wall and formation of the European Union were not foreseen but took place.

“Yes, the Berlin Wall collapsed. Yes, the EU has come together, which began with a limited approach and objective of having some trade relations. It has united...side by side there are other examples also which we have seen with our own eyes - how a mighty unified structure (Soviet Union) has collapsed just after seven decades.

“See how a composite state created after the Second World War has dismembered into three or four states within a short span of 10—15 years,” Mr. Mukherjee said.{So, the implication is that if a mighty USSR can splinter, why not Pakistan.}

The senior Congress leader said one can be selective in choosing friends but not neighbours.

“Most of us will agree that we cannot wish away our neighbours. We can choose our friends, we can be selective in choosing our friends....But neighbours are there where they are. I cannot simply wish them away. Those days are gone when one could have displaced them by force,” Mr. Mukherjee said.

Describing Pakistan as India’s “most important” neighbour, he said, “The stability and well—being of Pakistan” is in the interest of this country as the two could not develop and prosper in isolation today.

“The basic question before every Indian policy—maker is whether we should live with our neighbour in perpetual tension or try to live in peace. And fortunately, there is a broad consensus across the political spectrum on these issues,” Mr. Mukherjee said.

The senior Congress leader said the two neighbouring countries may have “insurmountable problems” but Pakistan was India’s “most important neighbour“.

“It is essential if we have to deal with our neighbour, we have to know what they are, who they are,” Mr. Mukherjee said.

“I do not believe a nation state can simply wither,” Mr. Mukherjee said, in an apparent reference to apprehensions often expressed about the future of Pakistan as a nation.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 12 Jan 2011 16:08

Saffron terror is a call given by Xtian jehadi interests to create mistrust between Hindu and Muslim communities.

For example, while we don't know whether Aseemanand was actually involved in all the bombings he has confessed to, we do know that he was instrumental in turning the tide of conversions against Xtianism.

We also know that in the Kandhamal case, the murder of Swami Laxamananda Saraswati sparked off riots and nearly exposed the massive conversions going on. Even in that case, the BJP MLA who was convicted for murder, his name was not mentioned in the original FIRs. And he convicted by a fast track court (kangaroo court).

Ergo, I surmise that Aseemanand is being framed because he cannot be murdered like Swami Laxamananda Saraswati.

negi · Post by **negi** » 12 Jan 2011 16:29

Pranab da's take does not surprise me he is merely speaking his age (most of the politicos in INC born during the British era show this tendency) , hell Mulayam Singh Yadav had back in the 90's made a reference to collapse of the Berlin wall when he first proposed the idea of merger of India and Pakistan (he went to become our Defense Minster after that

).I won't be surprised if likes of MMS, LKA, MS Aiyar and their ilk too approve of the above. I am just waiting for this decade to pass hopefully we won't have any British Raj and Lahori romanticists active in Indian politics by then.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 12 Jan 2011 16:46

^^^ i read it as an utterly patronizing and contemptuous attitude towards the pukes, as i am sure the pukes do too. it is denying two-nation theory, it is dismissing 1000 year sultanate, it is negating TFTA theory all in a dismissive chota-bhai galti kiya attitude

it causes more takleef to the pukes

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 Jan 2011 16:49

Lalmohan wrote:, it is negating TFTA theory all in a dismissive chota-bhai galti kiya attitude

It could lead to forgiveness of events like 26/11.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 12 Jan 2011 16:51

^^^ it could, but it wont if it is deliberately designed to belittle them
i dont know which way round it is

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 12 Jan 2011 16:57

Gentle Rakshaks, please note the speech of Pranab da. He is not alone in perpetuating the twin myths that I had talked about in this very thread. These myths are taken as axioms and goes unchallenged.

Who has a vested interest in coining these myths? These have been created and used to ensure that pakistan survives and always remains as a problem for India. It is the escape valve that is used to condone Pakistani behaviour time and again.

A huge PR exercise has been underway to perpetuate these myths. It is not just this dispensation of GOI that has been articulating this. Even the previous one, was parroting these myths.

Pranab da is also contradicting himself when he says nation states do not wither away. He himself talks about the Soviet Union decomposing itself in seventy years. Then why not Pakistan.

There should be an alternative narrative of Indian neighbourhood without this artificial entity comprising a more natural and viable set of nation states. In fact, once that happens, you will have a greater chance of peace and stability and even union of these entities into a commonwealth of Indian states or some such thing.

My view is that it is the sheer laziness on the part of those who make policies in the GOI and outside, not to reject these myths and look at alternatives. This is in fact holding us back and making us march to distant drumbeats instead. The shackle that we have is in our minds. We are letting others define and support unnatural structures that are designed to harm our nation state because we have been made to believe these myths. We must break this. For our own good and for the good of people of that artificial entity in the long run.

As usual a lonely ramble. Take it for what it is worth.