Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 12 Jan 2011 17:06

i disagree
any talk of dissolution/dismemberment of pakistan is seen as a hostile act and indian aggression
the very thing that pakistan uses as bait to snare the eagle and the dragon (and the camel)
therefore speaking peace can have the effect of removing that fig-leaf for the jarnails
and not giving the eagle atleast ammunition to push back on us
meanwhile, normal 'intransigence' and chai-biskoot continue

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2011 17:09

Why are we continuing to export when our own prices are sky high?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 254481.cms

Export ban: Pak to sell 300 truckloads of onions in Lahore
Yudhvir Rana, TNN, Jan 10, 2011, 07.38pm IST

AMRITSAR: Pak exporters are likely to sell about 300 stranded truck load of onions at Wagah (Pakistan) border in local vegetable market of Lahore on Tuesday after Pak government refused to withdraw the onion export ban notification issued on January 5th.

A delegation of Pakistani exporters had held meeting with the concerned officials at Islamabad on Monday but failed to impress upon the government even for seeking permission for the export of stranded trucks at Wagah, informed an exporter Anil Mehra who quoted his business counterpart on other side of border.

Meanwhile deputy commissioner Customs RK Duggal confirmed that Pakistan side didn't send any onions to India however local exporters send about 140 truck loads of vegetables including tomatoes.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2011 17:15

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 256800.cms

Pro-Qadri website registered on fake India address
Jan 11, 2011

A website eulogising the assassin of Punjab governor Salman Taseer, set up by unknown persons, was registered using a fake address in India, Pakistani civil society activists said.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 12 Jan 2011 17:19

pgbhat wrote:
ramana wrote:^^^ It could be related to visitors to TSP and their statements.
Yeah it kind of looks like PM is pre-empting VPOTUS statements.

But why should India bother about what two sovereign powers discuss bilaterally. Our stance is clear that their is no room for an outsider between India and the TSP. Hold fast to that stance.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 12 Jan 2011 17:20

Hari Seldon wrote:^^^Wow.

Could raa pls hire a crop duster or something and drop 100s of 1000s of pamphelets with holi verses onto karachi and lawhore and then watch diwali happen only.... see, anyone who steps on any one of 'em holi pamphlets commits blashphemy and becomes wajib-ul-qatal onlee.....suddenly Pak would become an 80s rockn'roll fan with urban citizenry overnight walking like an egyptian only....LOL

+ one millions to that.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Jan 2011 18:04

An earlier post quoting a report from the US,where officlas said that the US will do its utmost for a "rapproachment between India and Pak" and that it will always stand by Pak is why our good constable of India,Dr.Singh HAS to make effort after effort to compromise with Pak as he is under explicit orders from his American bosses to do so! S-al-S and the Baluchistan fiasco was after a US visit to India and intense pressure from the US so that it could get Paki cooperation in Af-Pak.The Wikileaks have provided us with ample evidence of US chicanery and pressure upon India to compromise with Pak-in effect handing over to Pak across the table what it could never win on the battlefield,Kashmir.

Innumerable secret USA reports show that the US cannot rely upon Paki cooperation in Af-Pak and that the only way that the US can get Pak to obey US diktats is for it to be given the "prize" of Kashmir.Thus it tries to use its Quislings in the Indian establishment to perpetrate this "peace" with Pak which should instead be spelt "piece" (J&K),which is what Pak wants!

History has shown that the idea of "Pakistan" is flawed.Its eastern half seceded a long time ago.Currently Baluchistan and the "Af-Pak regions-which in any case were ungovernable by Islamabad are in danger of going the Bangladesh way.The Taliban-both Paki and Afghan can fight each other in the border areas to their hearts' content for rule over these badlands,while an independent govt. in Afghanistan can rule the roost in Kabul.The Baluchis can make their move for independence when the time is ripe.Currently,Pak society is divided into two halves,those of the establishment who are western in habit and those fundamentalists in the extreme who want the most vicious and perverted version of Islam to rule the country so that they can usurp it for themselves.Let these two factions war with each other.As said before,we must prepare ourselves militarily,politically and diplomatically, for diversionary mischief in case the internal situ in Pak gets out of hand.The ONLY way that these two irreconciliable factions can unite is if Pak goes to war with India over Kashmir.If a supposedly liberal and "sane" joker like Gen.Musharaf could launch the Kargil War,one cannot even rule out nuclear adventurism from the current crop of Pakis ruling the country,as the country is full of jokers in uniform like Gen.Hamid Gul who has advocated just that,a pre-emptive nculear strike against India if the US attacks Pak/tries to wrest Paki nukes.How would India handle a limited nuclear strike by Pak against a border town/military establishment in India? How would it handle another Kargil type operation? Pak will give the world some fictitious excuse-it could even perpetrate a fake attack against one of its own N-establishments claiming that it is the handiwork of India,or engineer the asassination of a VVIP as the military/ISI did to Benazir.It will then immediately bring to bear its two staunchest bum-chums to its defence,China and the US.China will side with Pak accusing India and the US is just too scared to face China or even Pak for that matter given its problems in the region! In any case India is not a US ally like its NATO allies,not even a non-NATO ally which Pak is! So on all counts we will be shafted if we do not take precautionary measures that in the event of military adventurism by Pak,we must take decisive action to dismember it,bring it to its knees.

Is the PMO listening at all?

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 12 Jan 2011 18:18

abhishek_sharma wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:, it is negating TFTA theory all in a dismissive chota-bhai galti kiya attitude
It could lead to forgiveness of events like 26/11.

I think, what constitutes the GoI has already moved beyond 26/11. Pranab da, while mentioning that he does "not have the capacity to indulge in the romanticism" indulges in exactly the same thing. This romanticism is of course detrimental to those reside in India outside of "protected places" like Pranab da does.

Moreover, this line of thought is also expressed by Mani Shankar Aiyar in Pakistan during his recent visit when he opined that "what is needed is the will to go beyond 26/11 by going after those involved in 26/11." Since there is no single evidence that we have gone after those involved in 26/11, or have the will to do so; it is understood that we have gone beyond the 26/11 attacks. He has also bravely put forth his intelligent opinion by stating that "Siamese twins have no options but to move together even when they are attempting to pull away from each other." While the chankian thought process would be that the opinions of Pranab da and Mani Shankar Aiyar are disapproving of the Pakistanis and make fun of them, the reality is that such behaviour does practically nothing to stem the flow of terrorists and terrorism from Pakistan.

Mani Shankar Aiyar’s talk ‘India-Pakistan: Retrospect and Prospect’, Karachi

Moreover, Mani Shankar Aiyar and by extension, Pranab da seem to be working the "inaction is the best chankian action" approach which we have seen over the past many years, attains practically nothing. As long as one lives in "protected areas" and i think Shiv has stated this before, one can easily mouth platitudes like "our futures are linked" or “Pakistan is our most important neighbour“. If ever faced with the prospect of holding a position in the "Siamese twin" nation ever arises in the minds of our secular leaders, they must well remember that the last words of such people and those surrounding them is not any surrah but simply "Don't Tase-er me , bro!"

And for all his education, Aiyar sahab forgets that Pakistan now, is not a "Siamese twin" who is "joined with India" and by a basic law of nature, mortality rates for separated weaker Siamese twins are very high. As a Nature-loving people we must not attempt to subvert her laws...

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Jan 2011 18:35

The "Siamese twins" were East and West Pakistan,not India and Pak! They were eventually separated by surgery successfully carried out by the Indira Gandhi Institue of Medical Sciences,under the scalpel of Dr.Gen.Manekshaw and his team of surgeons!

However,the western half,now known as just "Pakistan",still has some serious physical defects such as extraneous protuberances at its extremeties,extra "fingers and toes",club feet,a cleft lip,both or missing genitalia,which are usually symptomatic of "Down Syndrome" patients and also shows signs of excessive radiation poisoning which appears to have been caused by eating too much radioactive Chinese takeaway! The prognosis is not comforting at all.Pak's fate is inevitable.The decision now facing the medical experts is whether the patient who is on life-support systems from America and China should be taken off it and allowed to wither away ,or according to some US/Paki/Chink doctors, its only chance of survival is for it to get an organ transplant from India called "Kashmir"!

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 12 Jan 2011 18:37

CRamS wrote:More of that sick 'willing to go more than half-way with TSP' from MMS.

Forward this news to Manmohan
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/128 ... hs-ex.html

Detained in Pak for 9 months, ex-jawan glad to be home
R S Pura (Jammu), Jan 12, (PTI):

Subjected to torture in Pakistan for nine months after he landed in the country to pay obeisance at Sikh shrines, former Army jawan Amar Singh said coming back home here is like a second birth.

Singh along with a group of 39 Sikhs was returning from a pilgrimage in Pakistan on April 1, 2010, when some men in plainclothes from ISI whisked him away to an undisclosed destination.

"As I was sitting in the train on my way back to India, some one called me and I came down. Some more men came and took me to a room near the railway station and grilled me. The train left for India. I was blind folded and taken to some underground place", Singh said.

"They are seeking details from me about defence places? I was subjected to third degree torture?", he said, adding, "I told them I have come to Pakistan only for pilgrimage to Nankana Sahib and was an ex-serviceman".

"As I was fed of the months-long torture, I posed as a mentally ill person. They took me to a doctor and checked me but I continued to pose as mad". He was released by Pakistani authorities near the Wagah border on January 4.

"I am re-born. It is my second life. I never thought I will be again with my family here", an emotionally charged Singh said, adding, "I will never visit Pakistan again not even for a pilgrimage".

His family back home had lodged a missing report and launched a campaign to trace him writing to the Prime Minister, the Human Rights Commission, the International Red Cross and even the Pakistani High Commission seeking its intervention.

His homecoming was celebrated not only by his wife Kuldeep Kour and children Navjot Singh, Jagjeet Singh and Lojot Singh, but also the entire hamlet in R S Pura border belt.

"My dream has come true. We had lost hope of his return to his family here", Kour said as tears well up in her eyes.

"We will all go to the Golden Temple and thank God for reuniting Amar Singh with us", she said.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 12 Jan 2011 19:15

^^the media which is full of traitors never even bothered to highlight this issue.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jan 2011 19:19

Wonder if the PMO did anything on his missing person case!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Jan 2011 19:20

Philip ji,

Great Analogy, saar!

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 12 Jan 2011 19:28

Bannu: Car bomb attack on Meeryan Police Station, 20 people killed, 15 injured

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 12 Jan 2011 19:45

Philip wrote:The "Siamese twins" were East and West Pakistan,not India and Pak! They were eventually separated by surgery successfully carried out by the Indira Gandhi Institue of Medical Sciences,under the scalpel of Dr.Gen.Manekshaw and his team of surgeons!

However,the western half,now known as just "Pakistan",still has some serious physical defects such as extraneous protuberances at its extremeties,extra "fingers and toes",club feet,a cleft lip,both or missing genitalia,which are usually symptomatic of "Down Syndrome" patients and also shows signs of excessive radiation poisoning which appears to have been caused by eating too much radioactive Chinese takeaway! The prognosis is not comforting at all.Pak's fate is inevitable.The decision now facing the medical experts is whether the patient who is on life-support systems from America and China should be taken off it and allowed to wither away ,or according to some US/Paki/Chink doctors, its only chance of survival is for it to get an organ transplant from India called "Kashmir"!

Excellent analogy sir!

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 12 Jan 2011 20:01

A_Gupta wrote:
menon s wrote: Ssridar sir,
There are secret letters written by Md Ali jinnah to Churchill. He used to address it to Churchills secretary, one Miss E A Gallait,6 Westminster Gardens, London.. They are available at the India records office at London.
Any idea how to get hold of the text of these letters?

Try this:

http://books.google.com/books?id=0MIKmi ... &q&f=false

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 12 Jan 2011 20:07

ramana wrote:Wonder if the PMO did anything on his missing person case!

why would the PMO be involved in this case.

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 12 Jan 2011 20:30

UNHCR meets Pakistani prisoners who sought asylum in India

New Delhi: Representatives from the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees visited Tihar Prisons to decide the case of 65 Pakistani prisoners belonging to a Muslim sect, banned in that country, who have sought asylum in India.

62 Pakistani's belonging to Gowhar Shahi sect, banned by Pakistan government, have been under detention in Tihar Jail since April 23, 2007, after they staged a demonstration here seeking asylum in India on the ground that their life was at risk in Pakistan.

"Three investigators from the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees are meeting the 55 Pakistani prisoners lodged in our prisons to decide the case to give them refugee status," Sunil Gupta, Tihar spokesperson and Law Officer, said.

Refusing to return to their homeland, they had during their protests burnt the Pakistani flag, their passports and visa papers. They were subsequently arrested for having no travel documents and, therefore, being in India illegally.

During their detention, the number grew to 65 as some of the ladies among the demonstrators were pregnant and gave birth to children.

In the year 2008, they had moved the Delhi High Court pleading that the Indian authorities be restrained from deporting them back and they be granted refugee status.

Hearing their plea, the Delhi High Court had asked the government to obtain clarification from UNHCR on the process of granting asylum.

On December 2, 2010, the High Court in its order said, "the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees is directed to hear and dispose of the appeal filed by the petitioner, which is pending before it, dated 20/2/2005 within a period of one month from the date of receipt of this order by it. For the said period of one month and two weeks thereafter, the residents shall not deport the petitioner."

Gupta said "the representatives of the UNHCR are meeting with each prisoner individually and talking to them in detail as to why they do not want to go back to Pakistan and what happened with them there."

I haven't heard of this sect before.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 12 Jan 2011 20:43

Pratyush wrote:
ramana wrote:Wonder if the PMO did anything on his missing person case!
why would the PMO be involved in this case.

My best guess is, Ramana Sir is alluding to "I am not able to sleep" of MMS.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Jan 2011 22:03

KrishG wrote:UNHCR meets Pakistani prisoners who sought asylum in India

I haven't heard of this sect before.

Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Jan 2011 22:11

KrishG wrote:UNHCR meets Pakistani prisoners who sought asylum in India

I haven't heard of this sect before.

India needs get complete biometric data and copies of passports on each Pakistani we allow in. So that we have the data, irrespective of whether the Pakistani carries the passport on his person or not.

This could become a route for Pakistanis to come to India and stay here. Even ISI can use this route!!!

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 12 Jan 2011 22:17

Guys I need a reference for the following:

Pakistan invited Osama to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and set him up there...

archan · Post by **archan** » 12 Jan 2011 22:18

Question is, why has the sect been banned by the pakis.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jan 2011 22:19

Google didnt give you any refs?

It was after he got thrown out of Sudan in mid 90s.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 12 Jan 2011 22:23

i know the timeframe and facts but google is not helping with a ref for pak invited him there... maybe someone here has it handy

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jan 2011 22:24

archan wrote:Question is, why has the sect been banned by the pakis.

From the wiki page linked above he is providing alternate godview to traditional Sunni Islam.

See the remarks about blashphemy.

Another indicator of TSP becoming more fundoo.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jan 2011 22:35

JEM try these

Why OBL matters?

Comments:

Nobody forced it but Pakistan’s democratic government of Benazir Bhutto chose of its own free will, to facilitate relocation of Osama bin Laden from Sudan to Afghanistan in 1996.

However you are right not much in open sources of who facilitated his move. I recall BB was the PM in TSP at that time. And Taliban had just taken over.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 12 Jan 2011 22:38

Tx... but that is a comment by someone, again unreferenced. Weird. I'm sure I've read this at least a couple of times...

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 12 Jan 2011 23:08

JEM,

See the 9/11 Commission report, pp 63-64

saip · Post by **saip** » 12 Jan 2011 23:29

Bomb at Bannu Kills 18!

http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/12/bomb-at- ... veral.html

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 12 Jan 2011 23:34

News on rediff..

CR says his man in pakiland killed Riyas bhatkal....

Ashoka · Post by **Ashoka** » 12 Jan 2011 23:48

saip wrote:Bomb at Bannu Kills 18!

http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/12/bomb-at- ... veral.html

AoA. What a glorious start to 2011, more in the offing.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 13 Jan 2011 00:23

CIA Drone Airstrike Kills Four Foreign Jihadis in Pakistan

US Predators struck again in Pakistan’s Taliban-controlled, al Qaeda haven of North Waziristan, killing four “foreigners.”

Today’s strike took place in the village of Hyderkhel in the Mir Ali area of North Waziristan. Unmanned Predators, or the more heavily armed Reapers, “fired two missiles at a militant compound” in the village a, Pakistani intelligence official told AFP.

Four “foreigners,” a term used to describe Arab al Qaeda or Central Asian terrorists, are reported to have been killed, the Pakistani official said. No senior al Qaeda, Taliban, or other terrorist leaders have been reported killed in today’s strike.

The Mir Ali area is in the sphere of influence of Abu Kasha al Iraqi, an al Qaeda leader who serves as a key link to the Taliban and supports al Qaeda’s external operations network. Taliban leader Hafiz Gul Bahadar and the Haqqani Network also operate in the Mir Ali area. Mir Ali is a known hub for al Qaeda’s military and external operations councils.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 13 Jan 2011 00:28

Little OT here but looks like pakis will be laughting all the way with how unkil and panda are sopiling her with gifts and praise.

Western nations match China's game

When General Electric approached the U.S. Export-Import Bank in 2009 wanting to sell 150 locomotives for $477 million to Pakistan, there was a sense of futility. GE had already lost an earlier bid to a Chinese firm. Why would Pakistan buy American-made locomotives this time?

After all, China was a powerful competitor that routinely offered low-cost financing - below-market interest rates, easy repayment terms - that cut tens of millions of dollars off the bottom line of its international deals.

How about huge kickbacks....

Instead, Rosen said, he sees Western and other major countries employing what is basically an industrial policy to confront China. Take the Pakistani case. "By choosing to offer potentially costly concessionary economic terms on financing," he said, "the U.S. is saying that this industry has to be a winner for the U.S. We may not call it industrial policy, but it is."

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 13 Jan 2011 00:35

Will Dawood Ibrahim save Pakistan Railways?

Mumbai: India's most wanted gangster Dawood Ibrahim's henchmen in the city are bragging that the don has been approached to bail out Pakistan Railways, which is facing a serious financial crunch.

The buzz among underworld sources are that some Pakistani politicians and senior Inter-Services Intelligence officers (ISI) have asked Dawood to divert money to the smooth functioning of the railways.

The request to Dawood comes at a time when over 20-odd freight trains with loaded goods ran out of fuel in his backyard in Karachi, the hotbed of crime in Pakistan.

Investigations by Mumbai's police and central intelligence agencies have indicated that gangster Dawood invested heavily in the Karachi stock market.

Investment to the tune of Rs 1,000 crore has gone into construction companies, shopping malls, cement companies and an oil company in the Gulf.

Isnt India buying cement from pakis? I mean just few days back I had posted a link that cement was being imported in Chennai and Kerala.

Initial investigations indicate the investment could be in the region of Rs 1,000 crore. "Karachi's stock market will collapse if Dawood withdraws his investments from there.

He is probably one of the largest players in Pakistan's economy," said a senior police officer.

Now this is all Iindian money. So in short along with 3.5 we are also funding pakis

Police officials said that while construction and investments in malls could be a good cover up, most of Pakistan's economy revolves around heroin trade, fake currency and arms supply controlled by Dawood's younger brother Anees.

Does kangress and others have the stomach to take on dawoods assets in the country. I doubt seriously because they are stakeholders in most of his activities sadly that is the truth.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 13 Jan 2011 00:37

Ten nuclear power plants planned

KARACHI: Ten nuclear power plants will be established in the country by 2030 to help resolve the worsening electricity crisis, said Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) Chairman Dr Ansar Parvez on Tuesday.

He added that the government had assigned to the PAEC a target of generating around 8,800 megawatts by 2030. “We are optimistic about achieving this target within the stipulated period as all the requisite projects and plans are in place for this purpose,” he said.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 13 Jan 2011 00:39

a question to the gurus:

why are the khakis opposed to badmash? badmash is jihadi in jaakit, is open to LeT, JeM etc., has never shown any liberal tendencies, has a backing from KSA (roti-beti relation). mush Vs badmash fight is a clash of personalities, not an institutional wrangle of PA Vs PML-N. Then why can't the khakis kick zardari out and bring in badmash as a democratic fig-leaf?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jan 2011 00:50

Abhijit, Badmash had the nerve to dismiss a sitting Chief of Army: Mushy. Its rice bowl effect.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 13 Jan 2011 01:42

Biden makes a funny in TSP. Referring to the halaling of Taseer, he said "Societies that tolerate such actions end up being consumed by those actions,"

I guess it takes a BRFite to detect the sweet irony in that statement.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 13 Jan 2011 01:46

Worse,
Badmash was meeting with OBL via Hamid Gul so that:
1. OBL would sponser Badmash's return to power and in return OBL will be given shelter.
2. With OBL's help Badmash will declare himself Amir-ul-momeen of pakistan, and relegate the fauji Jernails to chowkidari outside his gareebkhana.

Even though today badmash is the natural choice in pakistan, the fauji's mistrust of him remains high.

Its just that Badmash was trying to pip the fauj at its own game by being a bigger jihadi than them, and then had plans of doing what the more pious do to the less pious there.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 13 Jan 2011 02:02

Some of the more rabid members on the deaf and dumb forum have been openly calling for Ismaili muslims to be declared kafir. Wasn't Djinnah of this variety? Since heretical shia sects don't stand a chance, some abdul-come-lately like Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi is just complete wajib-ul-qatl material.