J & K news and discussion

[Neshant]

Farooq seeks forgiveness for ethnic cleansing
"One of the major tragedies that we had to go through was the ethnic cleansing that took place in the state of Jammu and Kashmir," said the former Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir at a book launch in the capital.

The guy is shedding crocodile tears while his son goes on a rampage damanding more and more for the kashmir 'cause'.

[Aditya_V]

Chinese troops enter Indian territory again

why cant India start questioning one china one tibet one taiwan policy.
why cant India issue stapled visas.
why cant India object to KKH as it passes thru Indian territory.
........many more.

Boss, the answer is Macau, rumour has it that after the 2007 world economic crises, some of our elite have transferred a significant portion of thier wealth from western tax havens to Macau. SO China feels they have us by the Balls and act tough while our netas negotiate with them. So tough luck, nothing can be done.

[amit]

Boss, the answer is Macau, rumour has it that after the 2007 world economic crises, some of our elite have transferred a significant portion of thier wealth from western tax havens to Macau. SO China feels they have us by the Balls and act tough while our netas negotiate with them. So tough luck, nothing can be done.

So based on a "rumour" you construct a "fact" - because of Macau China has us by the balls?

Perhaps you should have written: Because of Macau "it is rumoured" that China has us by the balls?

[Raghavendra]

Police foil seminar where Saeed, Azhar would have been on phone
http://www.zeenews.com/news621039.html

[Pratyush]

^^^

Can the secular organizers of the seminar be taken into protective custody in order to protect them from Saffron terrorists.

[Raghavendra]

Yes, ‘our own men’ killed separatists: Sajjad
http://www.zeenews.com/news679666.html

[Hari Seldon]

Verfication awaited but twitter is abuzz with reports that Arun Jaitley has said that he has credible information that the govt is planning to return to a pre-1953 status for J&K.

Again, unverfied, would be nice to get some verification on the authenticity of this statement.

[Aditya_V]

Boss, the answer is Macau, rumour has it that after the 2007 world economic crises, some of our elite have transferred a significant portion of thier wealth from western tax havens to Macau. SO China feels they have us by the Balls and act tough while our netas negotiate with them. So tough luck, nothing can be done.

So based on a "rumour" you construct a "fact" - because of Macau China has us by the balls?

Perhaps you should have written: Because of Macau "it is rumoured" that China has us by the balls?

ok- Maybe I should have used DDM language "sources within the elite" state that, like sources within X and sources within Y state this and That. But I was too honest to use the word rumour.

If one side has the right to use rumour and use it as fact say in Gujarat, isn't it fair the other does too. Jokes apart, the Indian response to Chinese has been very timid and it very plausible, likely that the Indian elite (from all shades, type etc.) have transferred funds from Western safe heavens to Macau in the recession of 2007. Offcourse I can't give proof as neither will DDM cover it nor will any person with actual information actually state it.

[somnath]

Boss, the answer is Macau, rumour has it that after the 2007 world economic crises, some of our elite have transferred a significant portion of thier wealth from western tax havens to Macau. SO China feels they have us by the Balls and act tough while our netas negotiate with them. So tough luck, nothing can be done

MAcau?! Its a gambling haven, not a financial services one! People transferred money to places like Dubai, HK and Singapore during the crisis - never heard of Macau...

[Arjun]

MAcau?! Its a gambling haven, not a financial services one! People transferred money to places like Dubai, HK and Singapore during the crisis - never heard of Macau...

Google Macau and 'tax haven' and you get your answer...

Also see this article from last year- http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/specials/cwg/Story/92759/Business/Govt+spots+9+tax+havens+for+black+money+trail.html

[ramana]

This reminds me of American Football anology I wrote in Nukkad a longwhile ago. If football you keep moving yard by yard. The yards that you occupied are yours. Similary WTF it is going to help by an apology after doing the ethnic cleansing. Do something like pass aborgation of ART-370 in JK assembly so that nature will take care of the problem and ethnic cleansing could be reversed.

Islamization is like American football.

They are at your feet and then your neck.

[munna]

As per Times of India, the latest gambit of our liberalatti Govt plans to have elected governor in J&K, claims Jaitley

The BJP on Tuesday claimed that the government was planning to re-designate the governor of J&K as the Sadar-i-Riyasat (governor of the realm) as part of the political package being worked out to restore normalcy in the state.
<snip>
He further claimed that as per the proposal, the governor was to be elected directly by the state legislature, instead of being appointed by the Centre, as is currently the case.

Good way of ensuring that any semblance of administrative control of Delhi is done away with.

The claim was denied by sources close to the interlocutors. "This has absolutely no basis. We don't know where this has come from," they said.
<snip>
Jaitley's charge comes just before the fourth trip of the interlocutors, beginning January 17. The team comprising journalist Dileep Padgaonkar, academic Radha Kumar and former CIC M M Ansari has so far submitted three reports—one after each trip to the state—recommending various measures for peace in the state.

Azadi through backdoor! This is not done until Jammu and Ladakh have different provisions.

[RoyG]

If the news turns out to be true, wouldn't that mean MMS isn't "Chankian"? Me is conpused onlee!

[Ashoka]

I just fail to understand our strategy wrt J&K. We have TSP going down the drain every day that passes. They are on the verge of meeting their rightful fate. When the time is ripe for us to make more noises about POK & even take it back in foreseeable future, why the heck are we promoting these nonsense Azadi things? Just bowing to a bunch of paid moronic stone pelters? When was the last time anyone seriously spoke of taking the POK back?

And with elections in 2014, congress has enough time to do permanent damage to J&K.

[amit]

ok- Maybe I should have used DDM language "sources within the elite" state that, like sources within X and sources within Y state this and That. But I was too honest to use the word rumour.

If one side has the right to use rumour and use it as fact say in Gujarat, isn't it fair the other does too. Jokes apart, the Indian response to Chinese has been very timid and it very plausible, likely that the Indian elite (from all shades, type etc.) have transferred funds from Western safe heavens to Macau in the recession of 2007. Offcourse I can't give proof as neither will DDM cover it nor will any person with actual information actually state it.

OK, in that case you should answer one question.

Why is it that despite Indian black money being in Macau resulting in the Chinese having us by the balls, the customary one China declaration was dropped when Hu Saab came calling in New Delhi? If you follow China with any degree of seriousness you'd realise what a massive loss of face that was for Hu (more than China), especially after he invested so much in the visit by bringing such a large delegation.

Surely the Macau card could have been played and balls squeezed during the backroom parleys that went on before the joint declaration was finalised?

This ungli which the Indians gave to Hu Saab has far more geopolitical significance for the Chinese than some border incursions.

You see the problem I have with your point about the Chinese incursions is that somehow you are putting the blame on Indians.

Your are saying in effect: We are weak, we are scum bags and that's why the Chinese are punishing us. It's our fault onlee.

This is yet another manifestation of the tendency of Indian elites to self-flagellate. However, what really gets me mad is that most of these self-flagellations come with a rider. And that is every other bloody Indian except me and my group are responsible for all the woes that befall us. Nobody is willing to say if Indians are #@$*then I'm also a #@$*.

If one side has the right to use rumour and use it as fact say in Gujarat, isn't it fair the other does too.

The fact that you bring in Gujarat and your statement above - to justify your remarks about the Chinese incursions into J&K - shows that you clearly made a political statement and not one based on sound reasoning and facts. Well, your entitled to your views but please forgive those who take them with a large packet of salt.

Sorry for the rant.

PS: You should read up a bit more on Macau money laundering. It is exclusively geared up for Chinese hot money.This suits the big boys who run CCP for obvious reasons, even though nobody dare catch hold of their balls. And that is one reason why the Chinese pressured the recent G20 meeting at Seoul to drop Macau from the list of places which are declared money laundering centres. Incidentally as money laundering goes Macau is small fry to some other centres in Asia. Do you suppose Indian black money owners are so stupid that they go to a place like Macau when better alternatives are available? Moreso since there's always a fear that the Chinese may block repatriation of the money? Let me point out something. The two biggest centres in Asia wasn't even mentioned in the India Today article you quoted! Coincidence?

[Aditya_V]

You see the problem I have with your point about the Chinese incursions is that somehow you are putting the blame on Indians.

Your are saying in effect: We are weak, we are scum bags and that's why the Chinese are punishing us. It's our fault onlee.

This is yet another manifestation of the tendency of Indian elites to self-flagellate. However, what really gets me mad is that most of these self-flagellations come with a rider. And that is every other bloody Indian except me and my group are responsible for all the woes that befall us. Nobody is willing to say if Indians are #@$*then I'm also a #@$*.

If one side has the right to use rumour and use it as fact say in Gujarat, isn't it fair the other does too.

The fact that you bring in Gujarat and your statement above - to justify your remarks about the Chinese incursions into J&K - shows that you clearly made a political statement and not one based on sound reasoning and facts. Well, your entitled to your views but please forgive those who take them with a large packet of salt.

Sorry for the rant.

I guess thats part of problem which you have highlighted, thanks to our media a large section of Indians have been alienated(including myself) and have started thinking in one line or the other rather as Indians. The Chinese see us as divided and have deceided to play hanky panky and our responses being weak is encouraging them and making lots of Indians think WTF.

Yes, I was wrong with my Macau suggestion but I was just annoyed with the daily attack on anybody who opposses a particular ideology with all kinds of lies and with no forum to air it on and brought it in the wrong thread.

And the real reson why Chinese take us for a ride is past sucess of 1962 (chinese media must be full of one sided news on how they crushed India), the poor stragetic thinking of our leaders which has left us with poorer Border infrastructure combined with Chinese propoganda to thier soilders on thier superiority. I guess in the real world until we have we have significantly mordernised our miltary aresenal we have to keep relatively quiet and nto allow the situation to escalate(especially with our western neighbours desperately looking for a 2 front war) too much.

But there is a anther huge advantage which the Chinese seem to have, thier fifth column in the Indian elite which undermine any Indian response.

[amit]

And the real reson why Chinese take us for a ride is past sucess of 1962 (chinese media must be full of one sided news on how they crushed India), the poor stragetic thinking of our leaders which has left us with poorer Border infrastructure combined with Chinese propoganda to thier soilders on thier superiority. I guess in the real world until we have we have significantly mordernised our miltary aresenal we have to keep relatively quiet and nto allow the situation to escalate(especially with our western neighbours desperately looking for a 2 front war) too much.

But there is a anther huge advantage which the Chinese seem to have, thier fifth column in the Indian elite which undermine any Indian response.

Boss, for what it's worth I agree with your 400 per cent on these points, especially the last one. The problem is every major power has their fifth column in India, be it China, US and even Russia. Unfortunately India does not have its own column even within the country.

[ramana]

Amit, In words of Rahul Mehta: AWMATA

[Raghavendra]

Kashmir stone-pelters eyeing police job?
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/128 ... olice.html
Srinagar, Jan 12 (PTI)

Hundreds of youths today lined up outside a security force camp here in the hope of landing a job as constable with the state police.

Given the high unemployment rate in the state, the scene would not have attracted much attention but for the fact that many of these youths were believed to have fought pitched battles with police last summer.

This time the police held an on-the-spot recruitment drive, which was mainly confined to residents of Khanyar area in the old city, here.

Khanyar area includes some highly volatile localities where stone-pelters had engaged police and CRPF in running battles during the five-month-long unrest in the Valley last summer.

The youths now want their share in employment in the police department."I am here because I have nothing to do. I completed my graduation in 2004 and since then I am unemployed," said 27-year-old Sajad Ahmad Shah.

He admitted that creation of employment opportunities could help in containing stone-pelting but said unemployment was not the reason behind such an exercise.

"More employment avenues can stop stone-pelting but why stones are pelted is a different issue," Shah said.

Faisal Ahmad, who did not meet the minimum height standard to appear in the recruitment drive, said he had come because he wanted a secure job."There is an advantage with it (police), you get a proper pay," he said adding "I work as a daily-wager in a furniture workshop and the amount I earn is not enough to sustain my family."

All the youths, who appeared in the recruitment drive, denied have participated in the stone-pelting but a CRPF jawan on duty at the camp claimed he had identified at least 100 youths who had indulged in stone-pelting in different parts of the city.

"I saw around 100 boys who were stone-pelters and I have seen them (hurling stones) at Nowhatta, Khanyar and near Islamia College," said constable Raj Kumar, posted in Kashmir for the past six years.

[Sachin]

"More employment avenues can stop stone-pelting but why stones are pelted is a different issue," Shah said.

Hear what this Mr. Sanctimonious has to say. These lazy people now want to join the police force. Yeah, and what next? We may see a situation where these same Mr.Sanctimonious joining hands with terrorists and trouble makers are targetting the central police forces and the armed forces. The training they got (in using lathis or fire arms) and the salary they get, both would be used to hit back at the same hands which provide them. If employment opportunities have to come up, keep Jehad aside for a moment on focus on more economical activities. Recruiting these suspected characters into the police force will only cause more problems later.

[Pratyush]

Hear what this Mr. Sanctimonious has to say. These lazy people now want to join the police force. Yeah, and what next? We may see a situation where these same Mr.Sanctimonious joining hands with terrorists and trouble makers are targetting the central police forces and the armed forces. The training they got (in using lathis or fire arms) and the salary they get, both would be used to hit back at the same hands which provide them. If employment opportunities have to come up, keep Jehad aside for a moment on focus on more economical activities. Recruiting these suspected characters into the police force will only cause more problems later.

+ one to that.

[ramana]

Dnt they have background check and clearance before employment. Or else take them into some kind of Home Guards type force to do khatmalgiri. Once you put a uniform on them aka regularize them, they can later be dealt with if they indulge in wrongdoing.

[abhishek_sharma]

‘Those who defend anti-national speeches are opposing BJP plan’: Arun Jaitley

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/-Thos ... an-/737223

[abhishek_sharma]

‘I did my best to stem the exodus’: Jagmohan

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/-I-di ... us-/737340

[CRamS]

Here is my take on BJP flag hoisting plan.

First, INC, Omar Abdullah etc are not hypocrites as JaitlyJi asserts. What they are basically doing is throwing in the towel and admitting helplessness. If BJP youth hoist the flag, TSP will be salivating at the thought of giving the green signal to the "freedom fighters" to go on the offensive. The all too familiar cycle of killings could possibly erupt. India of course should be prepared to use overwhelming force to crush any mischief, and defend its actions when the sanctimonious west hectors it, but this MMS & Co are so scared of the repurcussions that they rather not have to deal with them in the first place. Hence the shrill demands on BJP to desist.

Now coming to BJP, I would hope they have supreme national interests in mind. They know very well that TSP is on the look out to create mischief. And they also know that MMS is not going to retaliate against TSP or their puppets in the valley should violence erupt. And of course, in the court of international (western) opinion, the blame will be on BJP, no doubt about this. In lieu of this, is it really worth hositing the flag, however much a right they have to do so? Don't get me wrong, if India were even a fraction of a hard state like US, China, or TSP, I would have trusted the govt to uphold India's national interests and defend any citizen's right to hoist the national flag in any part of the country. But here, India will be so profusely humiliated if TSP goes on the offensive as expected, I wonder if the BJP plan is worth it, especially with a PM like MMS and his ilk who wouldn't blink an eyelid to implicate BJP, much less defend their in alienable right to hoist the flag.

[abhishek_sharma]

First, INC, Omar Abdullah etc are not hypocrites as JaitlyJi asserts. What they are basically doing is throwing in the towel and admitting helplessness.

Helplessness? What helplessness? If Pakis can send "freedom fighters", we also spend $30 billion on our military. We should start using it more often. I don't shed tears when some random Abdul with a green flag meets his 72. No condolences.

Omar Abdullah has been talking like the Pakis for many months. It is hard to believe he is doing this to push away the Pakis. Assuming his loyalty (to India) would be like saying: "I hit you because I love you."

[abhishek_sharma]

Govt contemplating troop reduction by 25% in J&K: Pillai

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 283151.cms

[Vikas]

Here is my take on BJP flag hoisting plan.

First, INC, Omar Abdullah etc are not hypocrites as JaitlyJi asserts. What they are basically doing is throwing in the towel and admitting helplessness. If BJP youth hoist the flag, TSP will be salivating at the thought of giving the green signal to the "freedom fighters" to go on the offensive. The all too familiar cycle of killings could possibly erupt. India of course should be prepared to use overwhelming force to crush any mischief, and defend its actions when the sanctimonious west hectors it, but this MMS & Co are so scared of the repurcussions that they rather not have to deal with them in the first place. Hence the shrill demands on BJP to desist.

Now coming to BJP, I would hope they have supreme national interests in mind. They know very well that TSP is on the look out to create mischief. And they also know that MMS is not going to retaliate against TSP or their puppets in the valley should violence erupt. And of course, in the court of international (western) opinion, the blame will be on BJP, no doubt about this. In lieu of this, is it really worth hositing the flag, however much a right they have to do so? Don't get me wrong, if India were even a fraction of a hard state like US, China, or TSP, I would have trusted the govt to uphold India's national interests and defend any citizen's right to hoist the national flag in any part of the country. But here, India will be so profusely humiliated if TSP goes on the offensive as expected, I wonder if the BJP plan is worth it, especially with a PM like MMS and his ilk who wouldn't blink an eyelid to implicate BJP, much less defend their in alienable right to hoist the flag.

CRamS , I think this will end up like the Flag hoisting of MMJ a decade earlier. The govt will air lift few folks from BJP to Lal Chowk, quickly unfurl Tricolor and rush out of the area even before anyone realizes it.

I agree with you that this Govt instead of retaliation will blame BJP for being nationalist in case something goes wrong.
I don't know why everyone is dying to make Kashmir as center of Indian existence. It should be one of the areas of India and thats pretty much it. As long as J&K remains one single entity, Unfurling flag in Jammu or Ladhakh should be considered similar to unfurling flag in Srinagar.
Unfurling flag under heavy Police cordon in deserted streets proves nothing. Such antics don't even fetch votes these days.

Stop giving any publicity to terrorists or terror sympathizer thru such acts. Let us ignore Kashmir completely financially and socially and focus completely on upliftment of Jammu and Ladakh only.

[somnath]

The flag hoisting circa 2011 will have the same impact as the one 20 years back - provide some oxygen to seperatists to up the ante..Even the BJP does not like to remember the Ekta Yatra anymore...It is all very well to shout rhetoric on "right to fly the flag", but it does not help anyone...Back then the entire area had to be put under a curfew before 50-60 chaps could be allowed to hoist the flag, which in turn was promptly taken down when the entourage left! BJP should at least ask the crpf whether it helps THEM in anyway, they will find the answers..

[rkirankr]

The flag hoisting circa 2011 will have the same impact as the one 20 years back - provide some oxygen to seperatists to up the ante..Even the BJP does not like to remember the Ekta Yatra anymore...It is all very well to shout rhetoric on "right to fly the flag", but it does not help anyone...Back then the entire area had to be put under a curfew before 50-60 chaps could be allowed to hoist the flag, which in turn was promptly taken down when the entourage left! BJP should at least ask the crpf whether it helps THEM in anyway, they will find the answers..

Well we have some people in a region of India say that they have a problem being Indians and for reasons which are airy fairy, so we should not be hoisting a flag because they will get upset, will cause trouble etc. Care to think why BJP is so intent to hoist flag in lal chowk 20 yrs back and even now there ,rather than say Bengaluru, Chennai or Mumbai etc. Well people here do not have a problem with the flag. They consider it as part of their identity. I think there are similarities and differences between the people of all these three region. So what is so different in Kashmir which should not make them identify with flag? If you are able to answer this not to me , but to yourself then I think it should answer you.
Why is the question being put to BJP? Ask omar why he cannot allow flag hoisting in an integral part of India. If somebody has a problem, they should be criticised not the flag hoisters. Is it not Omar's responsibility to cut oxygen to the terrorists(please do not say separatists)
Ulta chor kotwal ko dante

[somnath]

^^^ The rhetorical logic in this case is unexceptionable, but the practical real world logic isnt....Not when there are so many factors at play, all inter-related..

[RamaY]

The flag hoisting circa 2011 will have the same impact as the one 20 years back - provide some oxygen to seperatists to up the ante..Even the BJP does not like to remember the Ekta Yatra anymore...It is all very well to shout rhetoric on "right to fly the flag", but it does not help anyone...Back then the entire area had to be put under a curfew before 50-60 chaps could be allowed to hoist the flag, which in turn was promptly taken down when the entourage left! BJP should at least ask the crpf whether it helps THEM in anyway, they will find the answers..

So be it. After another 40,000 Kashmiris and 2-3000 terrorists killed, we will have similar peace in JK.

At least it will stop MMS-ilk from talking about walking more than half the way...

[Hari Seldon]

Theek hai, given the egregious behavior of the valley momeen, seen not just in the rampant collusion with criminal and paki elements in ousting the pandits from the valley and the subsequent persecution of minorities
but
also more recently during the amarnath yatra and beyond.

Sometimes, what seems like practical and tactical logic needs to be overruled by more strategic and longterm considerations.

It may sometimes make more sense to stir the hornets' nest and observe enemy movements, chatter, chattel, comm links, local control structures, money trails, supply dumps, safehouses etc.

Worst case, valley will burn some more. Heat will be released in an atypically cold winter, seems like. Theek hai.

[rkirankr]

^^^ The rhetorical logic in this case is unexceptionable, but the practical real world logic isnt....Not when there are so many factors at play, all inter-related..

The practical thing now is for India and Indians to forcefully claim at each occassion that JK belongs to us. Otherwise any two bit nation will think it can $crew us and get away with it. In practical world you show that it is yours and growl at anyone who says otherwise, then they will accept it.

[Pratyush]

^^^

The question is, if Indians are afread of unfurling the tricolour in a specifice part of a city. What is the point of being in the city to begin with. If the act for unfurling the natinal flag is seen as a red rag then pull out. Rather then unfurl the flag in some stadium where no one will see it. Showing the ROW just how timid the Indian nation really is.

Gentlemen, a flag is more then a piece of cloth. It is an Idea, it demands that it be flown without fear of any repercussion in any part of our nation. If we start to fear the consequences of flying the flag. Then we might as well dissolve the republic and allow the KV Whabis to break away from the nation.

[RamaY]

^ But our so-called liberals think differently.

Tomorrow if you dare them to fly tri-color in Delhi in the name of RoP; they will stop that as well.

The problem is with their selfishness. For them it is all about their lives, their prosperity, and their peace. They do not care, as long as they are safe; even if it comes at the cost of million others. They will be all alone afraid when the sword of the terror reaches them.

Then their offspring complain on nationalists for not saving their forefathers and question the strength of our dharma as it didn't save their forefathers from forced conversions and slavery.

What we are seeing now is the early days of Islamic invasions. Remember that post of a Paki who called Hindusism weak as it didn't save his ilk from forced conversions?

[Vikas]

^^ Question is what do such action prove unless backed up by some credible policy. After all the natakbazi, Govt still wants to talk to soft terror leaders like Umar Farook,malik and Shabir shah (Maybe they would talk to Geelani too if he would play ball) and wiling to provide jobs & money to stone pelters and killers of IA. One swallow doesn't make summer.
You unfurl tricolor once but let the terrorists fly Paki flags everyday is no policy. The fear is not of flying tricolor or upsetting the Kashmiri Jehadi's,
They can be handled and taken care of only if the GoI had cojones. It is about having a credible path towards final solution of Kashmir terrorism.

Idealogical battles are not won by emotions but by hardcore pragmatism.

[RamaY]

It doesn't work like that VikasRaina ji.

If one dares me to fly try-color in my country, then I must take that challenge and win irrespective of the costs and consequences.

It will have the following impact -
1. Shows the loonies that the nation still has b**ls. GOI is a very small portion of the overall national strength, will, and capacity. That is the main problem with average citizen. GOI's strength stems from the citizenry, not the other way around.
2. Brings out the rats out of their holes; irrespective of their justifications.
3. If people fly green flags for the remaining 364 days - So be it; it helps harden the national resolve further.

Ideology cannot be sustained by cold-logic and physical strength alone. Everyone/thing should do its part. Jan26 is the emotional day.

[Vikas]

Ramay, I don't disagree with you.
All I am saying is that take this flag hoisting in Lal Chowk to its logical conclusion and smash anyone who has problem with Indian Tricolor in India.
If someone dares me to fly tri-color in India, I would rather fly it everyday of the year than once in few years.
Why should we need to take out yatra's and rallies to do something that is our birthright ?

[RamaY]

VR ji/

* Yes we can raise tri-color every day. I would support that idea whole heartedly. We should organize 365/6 groups of people who start from different parts of India (how about 544 MP constituencies) in a manner, they reach Srinagar one group every day. Let OA decide between security vs govt. jets.
- The only issue is that it loses emotional/public value after some time. Law of diminishing returns. Nations/societies should not fight for freedom everyday; as that would also imply they are not free, yet.

* Yatra has multiple consequences
- Educates the citizenry on the GOJK and GOI perfidy
- Mobilizes the citizenry
- Unites whole inda