Internal Security Watch

[Arjun]

Somnath, glad you are digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole - and don't even realize the sh*t you are in !!!

A) Your post only serves to confirm my central point which I subsequently reiterated multiple times - that a nation's economic heft is among other things, also a function of its 'soft power' and image. You have expressed complete agreement with this same point in a previous post.

B- The example I provided goes to underscore that Muslim nations that could have posed a considerable challenge to India's runaway #1 position in outsourcing, (obviously those that have other key requisites for the industry, such as a large population base) are underperforming against their potential - due in part to image issues.

C) Underperformance on outsourcing exports implies underperformance on trade which in turn implies underperformance on potential economic heft. Hence proving my central point that a nation's economic heft is among other things, also a function of its 'soft power' / image. Outsourcing accounts for more than a quarter of India's total exports, and therefore the underperformance of Muslim nations that have the demographic capabilities, cannot be considered to be insignificant.

D) Does this apply to all Muslim nations? No, only to those that have the population base as noted above that would allow for an outsourcing industry large enough to make a difference to the economy. QED...

You might want to take some lessons in English comprehension and reasoning skills before debating on matters that are beyond your capacity.

If you are feeling particularly masochistic, I am happy to continue the discussion on another thread, since it is OT here.

[somnath]

^^^ If you insist on displaying your "knowledge", what can I say..

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1#p1012561

[Arjun]

Somnath, you might have passed economics 201 - but you sure didn't pass Logic 101. Here's the kind of arguments you use in your reply :

1) I say

...are underperforming against their potential - due in part to image issues.

and you reply with

>>> Ahh, so Pak underperforms India on outsourcing only on "image" issues!

and you build up an extensive case based on this completely faulty grip on logic.

2) You have no idea what 'underperformance against potential' means nor what 'underperformance against potential economic heft' means.

I am open to debates, but seriously I don't have the time nor energy to be teaching you the basics of logic and comprehension. And frankly this quality of debate has been your hallmark throughout...

Am cross-posting on this thread as my final one with you on this topic - purely so folks are aware of your techniques.

We are done with this topic. Thanks

[somnath]

^^^I dont want to derail the thread - but you started off with how "muslim countires" cannot succeed in trade/outsouring/economic stakes, compared to India, even if they DID have all the other attributes...

a largely Muslim country could never have hoped to reach the same position even if Muslim nations somehow developed the knowledge and entrepreneurial strengths to compete;

2) You have no idea what 'underperformance against potential' means nor what 'underperformance against potential economic heft' means

How do you estimate potential, if I may? What is your considered estimate of Pakistan's "potential economic heft", net of their image problem? Or Indonesia's? Oh regardless of "underperformance", Indonesia does beter than India on most macro development indicators - maybe there is something for underpeformance then? Frankly, you go from justifying each turn of phrase with another one...

Be clear on what you want to say - if not, you will always reach a dead end..But this is completely OT..

[Arjun]

You have quite some capacity to go on and on...even after you've admitted to the two fundamental comprehension flaws I pointed out above !

We all have more productive things to do. Thanks.

[Venkarl]

Somnathji...Does India have anything at all that can seek your appreciation? or are we peeking through a keyhole of a glasshouse?

[somnath]

Somnathji...Does India have anything at all that can seek your appreciation? or are we peeking through a keyhole of a glasshouse?

Venkarlji, on the contrary, I think India today is the only game in town (barring China and the US)....But I dont think India=RSS, or RSS=Indian right wing, or the fact that we are fighting a civilisational war...

Arjunji, peace.....As long as you are convinced about your viewpoint, its fine - its a PoV you are entitled to....Friendly request, try and seek out the data beyond prejudices..All of us have ours, and I myself belong to the "often wrong but seldom in doubt" category of forecasters, but nothing beats data...The biggest disservice that we can do is to either glamourise the competition, or demonise it, or trivialise it, or find enemies where there is simply a competitor...

[brihaspati]

somnath ji,
it was you who began to trash KS Lal's scholarship and attributed it to RSS scholarship. Then when I pointed out that his works were at one time obviously approved by Muhammad Habib, then you trashed it too saying it did nt matter or irrelevant, that KS Lal stopped thinking according to DN JHa. Then I point out DNJha's own biases and cherry-picked history rendering and politicking on historical issues. Now you bring in Simon Digby! Of course many so-called historians/journalists etc 's work will find place in in most modern "professional" historians/departments collections - its the Kuhnian mutual-admiration society as applied to study of history - they will keep and support works of birds of the same feather. So your proof of KSLal's "trashy" scholarship now reduces to citing his possible critics existence in history libraries from the left-extremist-fundamentalist-vacuum-centre brigade in ideology and politics?

You have studied his work you say - and could not believe his references - why don't you put up your own logic and refutation of KSLal somewhere in a relevant thread - since you managed to dismiss his logic already long ago, surely you remember them now! It would be wonderful to discuss with you the refutation you mention - especially of Irfan Habib - more so about slavery under Mughals - in the context of KS Lal! I am not sure you have studied Irfan's own early thesis on the agrarian system of Mughal empire - it will be fun!

I really admire your cherry-picking of examples and somehow managing to pretend that they are contextually relevant just because you placed them so - while ignoring others who qualify at the same time by the criteria you insist on. Ah so you compare harem/sex-slavery under Delhi Sultanate and the Mughals - which was the period of KSLal's focus - with the Maharajah of Patiala? Any comparison on how the sex-slaves were acquired by the two? The comparative periods of history? The length of time and the scale of operations? The targets of choice based on religion or not? Have you really read KS Lal? He also mentions that retaliatory enslavement procedures were also used by the non-Muslims - but he draws attention to difference the lengths of time of military predominance and overall balance of forces.

It was you who began to trash RSS based on "anachronism" and then connected it to Talebani-relief etc. Your criteria of anachronistic beliefs and terror and relief at the same time does apply to other groups that consistently miss your highlighting. Leftists for example. Christian relief goes hand in hand with anachronism. Why don't you ever acknowledge that ? why is it that you have to apply your criteria only to selected groups of your choice and not apply them to other equally deserving candidates? At least the Left would have been relevant - no- for this thread? As well as Christian aspects of terror and social-work in the NE? You did not reply or respond to the fact of cow-urine vs chasing of demons? Why somnath ji - any particular brief to protect the Left and Islamism and the EJ?

As for East Asian crisis - again, I used "peg" in the same sense as you used it. But you had to pull on it to try and show your apparent superiority of knowledge. As I said before, giving references one way or the other may expose my own cover - since papers also refer to other's works and so on, and in this area it then does not become a very difficult task to identify. So I proposed a very simple solution. Since you "know" how pegs are "known", why don't you run such a "knowing" process for the SE Asian group for the relevant period and show the results here that point to pegging against the dollar only to the exclusion of all others? Surely you know how to estimate the relevant quantities?

I clearly mentioned that religion was a factor, and used so. I explicitly described Muhathirs Islamic finance and Halal initiative as a strategy to use religion to corner a market share. You were using your arguments to deny any role for religion in investment or financial decisions. Similarly you insisted on signs of street violence as indicators of stability thats hook investor confidence leading tof light of capital. It wa sin that context that I mentioned that there were no street violence in the Muslim countries and yet capital flight took place.

You not only choose your examples but also criteria in such a way that you will only highlight a subset from all possible by your own criteria. But you do not give reasons as to why you exclude equally deserving candidates from your illustration. Thats really a pity!

[somnath]

Brihaspatiji,

First up, lets get the East Asian crisis out of the way...

As for East Asian crisis - again, I used "peg" in the same sense as you used it. But you had to pull on it to try and show your apparent superiority of knowledge. As I said before, giving references one way or the other may expose my own cover - since papers also refer to other's works and so on, and in this area it then does not become a very difficult task to identify

So you are saying that papers that show a peg of the east asian ccies with European ones, and their causative reasons for the crisis, are ALL written by you? And no other academic ever thought of such a brilliant, iconoclastic angle to the crisis?No wonder they havent made it to the mainstream of academic/professional discourse In that case YOU should give the results of your regression analyses...As for my assertion (nothing "superior" about it - its quite commonplace) on dollar peg and its causative impact- I have already referenced quite a few studies earlier...

I explicitly described Muhathirs Islamic finance and Halal initiative as a strategy to use religion to corner a market share

Terminological inexactitude, with respect...The discussion was on how "religion" hinders investments into "muslim" countries, not on gaining market share...
This is what you said..

Sure, you would dismiss Mahathir's championing of "Islamic finance", or the increasing stress on the requirement to "supply" Halaal products - and the response on the "investors/company/business/industry" side from non SE Asian or non-muslim-SE Asian investors side?

Yes, are your assertions on "muslim" countries in particular wihout oil being "dependent economies" also part of "me only" analysis?

As for KS Lal, lets take that discussion to another thread...I was referrign to DN Jha and simon Digby and Irfan habib because your only "defence" of KS Lal's scholarship was a foreward in one book by Muhammad Habib! About analysis of DN Jha in a "voice of dharma" type blog, well maybe I should start referencing Kafila and Countercurrents and Socialist International's analysis of KS Lal! To be honest, the real "targets" to go for would be the likes of Jadunath Mojundar - there is scholarship there, KS Lal is too soft a target..

About anachronism, I repeat, as the discussion was around RSS, the examples/analogies were around them..In a discussion around leftists, expect the same around them!

[Arjun]

Arjunji, peace.....As long as you are convinced about your viewpoint, its fine - its a PoV you are entitled to....Friendly request, try and seek out the data beyond prejudices..All of us have ours, and I myself belong to the "often wrong but seldom in doubt" category of forecasters, but nothing beats data...The biggest disservice that we can do is to either glamourise the competition, or demonise it, or trivialise it, or find enemies where there is simply a competitor...

Funnily enough Somnathji, objective data and logic are the only things I personally live by as well ! That and about half-dozen value statements, some of which you and I might have in common...

You seem to be suggesting that I am prejudiced against Muslim nations - all I can say is you are dead wrong! In fact, many of these nations would be the first ones to agree that they are losing out on outsourcing business from the West, in part due to the negative image of Islam in the West.

[brihaspati]

somanth ji,
again, I did not say that all papers were written by me. I explicitly stated that references can indicate a way to identify even if a paper is not written by me. Your habit of personal insinuations was something that started the whole acrimonious debate - it was you who started by casting aspersions on my "comprehension", then when it naturally was returned to you you had to begin declaring that I did not pass the CAT - whatever double meaning it can be given now as per your standard style of debating. Since you also claim many time that you did not say something and others assume - are you able to comprehend now that you are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing? do you exist in the academic spehere at all - because you seem to rely on others quotes only! Oh is it a case of simple regression only? linear or non-linear? any transformations of the variates? What is the error distribution - pray?

You never come to the point do you? You started trashing KS Lal based on your own claims of the trashiness of his scholarship. Then the proofs you started giving was comments by others. Now you start dismissing the pointers of omissions in DN jha's speech (which is very political because it refers to political implications in the current period and not only the past) because it came from a site/publisher that you dislike (or hate?). You are never looking at the content of the criticism, but always on who is saying it? A person's entire argument can be dismissed by you because of what he is supposedly affiliated to? If even a monkey was able to point out that DN Jha was omitting references in the text he is himself citing as proof of his contention - that goes against his contention - you will dismiss it because it came from a monkey?

So for you anything DN Jha says - the so-called doyen of Indian history, the "prover" that Hinduism is the "yongest of all religions", the "demolisher" of the myth of "hinduism", the one who felt it was a prime historical question of interest to write a tome on the "mythical holy cow" - is true. Forget the minimum requirements of modern trends in analysis of considering honestly all the bits an dpieces of information thrown up by a text being analyzed. How do you explain the selective omission of pieces of the narrative that goes against what he is trying to justify based on that text? You can read Alebruni's text in translation - can't you? Forget VOD - what do you find in that text? What makes DN Jha free of biases and selective highlighting of source material to push a political agenda - just as you seem to have imbibed as a style? Ignore contrary evidence and hammer on repeatedly on what suits your political agenda? Maybe start personal denigration of capabilities of your critics! In time they will be frustrated and hit back in the same. So then you can twist the debate from content into how dismissable your critic is - because you know very well, just like the DN Jha's of the Indian historical spectrum -that you have committed a prime sin in modern academics, by deliberately suppressing counterindications from a source you are using to justify your claim. An actual analysis of the content would expose the intellectual dishonesty in the likes of DN Jha's.

Once again, I will eagerly wait for your trashing of KS La's actual writing - say on Muslim slavery - and his supposed refutation by Irfan Habib to start with - on another thread. For once do it on your own, and simply not quote DN Jha and the likes. Actually even these dismissals are very funny to follow through, because they ultimately quote each other in a circular fashion to claim that oh-so-and-so has already been trashed by the so-and-so-eminent-historian who in turn then quotes others. As to dismissal of content - not much is then ultimately produced. Waiting to read from you in another thread!

As for you quoting my piece on "Muhathir" there is nothing in that quotation that says negative or positive effect. It simply says that it has had an effect on the supplier side and the trends of which will be more clearly estimable in the future. However the main content still remains valid - that religion was used by Muhathir to affect how a partciular segment of economy and investment decision related to that segment works out. As usual, at the beginning of your tirade you did not spell out "all of the stability factors" and chose only street violence as an indicator. When that was not obvious in Malaysia or Indonesia and yet the capital flight took place and this wa spointed out becuase you were clamouring about the "stability" in those countries for reasons behind attraction of investments - you have to make it appear as if the criticism was aimed at "weakness" of Muslim countries in that sphere.

Pointing out the irrelevance of your brand of stability as guaranteeing investor confidence was aimed at showing that the Muslim countries had no special formally touted socio-economic pointers that could make them more attractive than others when they started out after their respective formal indepndence from colonial control. It was a much more complex political, cold-war strategic consideration, and definitely a certain view of religion as a tool, that led to increased investments on the one side and control of the labour market in favour of exports tied to more developed markets. But I guess there is no point discussing political economy with you. Also this is not a thread for it.

Well if anachronism was then only about RSS - how did you jump on to Taliban then? No one mentioned Taliban in that exchange before you did! How come the left or Christian anachronism did not jump into you mind but only the Taliban? What makes them different and rejectable as examples at the same time?

[ramana]

Again, Somnath, Brihaspati, Arjun et al, All of what you are discussing in off topic for this thread. Once again I ask all of you to cease and desist. You are welcome to pursue it in the off topic thread.
One more post after this will ensure warnings being given. This is already the second request here.

[Venkarl]

...But I dont think ...or the fact that we are fighting a civilisational war......

Why are you so confused?

Not here but here

[Hari Seldon]

Thanks, Ramana garu. Thread cleanup was overdue - not that the debate here wasn't interesting or anything but was likely OT.

Finally, some good news of the genuine variety, hopefully.

Maoists lose leaders in security surge (rediff)

Though security agencies have been facing major losses on the ground in the fight against the Maoists, the defining development in recent months is the crippling losses the Maoists' central leadership have suffered.
...
"What is really crucial is that their brains trust has been severely depleted. The situation at the senior level is really bad," said a senior intelligence official, who did not want to be named in this report.

In 2004, the Communist Party of India-Maoists Central Committee had 38 members, its Politburo had 13, and the Central Military Commission had 10. For three years since then, there wasn't much change in the party's structure and it was mostly status quo. The figures in 2007 were 34, 14, 9.

But in the last three years, the security forces have landed crippling blows to the Maoists, with 15 Central Committee members having either been arrested or killed. Two died natural deaths.

Towards the end of 2010, the party's senior leadership looks alarmingly depleted: 25 Central Committee members, 9 Politburo, and 8 in the CMC. On December 4, a West Bengal [ Images ] police team arrested another Central Committee member, Kanchan.

This ties up with the home ministry agenda to target the top Maoist leadership. Experts say the government has succeeded so far.

Without confirming there was any policy in place to target top Maoist leaders, a highly-placed official in the Andhra Pradesh police said the Maoists will struggle to beef up their leadership.

"More than 40 per cent of their central leadership has been wiped out. It is very difficult to get the kind of people they have lost. They have to be extremely good at so many things to reach the Central Committee," the Andhra Pradesh police officer said.

Oh, read it all only. the silent revolution only.

[arjunm]

Again, Somnath, Brihaspati, Arjun et al, All of what you are discussing in off topic for this thread. Once again I ask all of you to cease and desist. You are welcome to pursue it in the off topic thread.
One more post after this will ensure warnings being given. This is already the second request here.

Ramanaji Thank you again for saving the thread, I have already written earlier what is happening here. It is going to repeat again.

[Raghavendra]

^ Now the maoist crying for release of Binayak sen makes sense, they have been left leaderless and need a leader as well as a marketable face to carry forward their sinister agenda

And to the buddhijeevi who considers binayak sen as a doctor only look even the maoists are owning up narayan sanyal as their chutiye yaar whom binayak sen was helping, now dont start crying for their release, they deserve to be government mehmaan


Binayak Sen case: Maoists slam verdict

The Central Committee of the banned Communist Party of India (Maoist) has called for an all-India “Protest Week” from January 2 to 8 to protest against the life sentences handed down to physician and human rights activist Binayak Sen, businessman Pijush Guha and alleged Maoist leader Narayan Sanyal.

On December 24, Judge B.P. Verma of the Raipur Additional District and Sessions Court held the three guilty of conspiring to commit sedition and sentenced to them to life imprisonment.

In a statement e-mailed to this correspondent, Maoist spokesperson Abhay clarified that his party was not calling for a ‘bandh' or lock-down of businesses and transportation, but urged party cadres to protest via “press conferences, statements, dharnas, rasta rokos, meetings, protest rallies, processions, signature campaigns, wearing black badges, waving black flags, burning of effigies etc.”

Terming the verdict the “latest addition to the cache of anti-people, fascist repressive measures of the Indian ruling classes, Abhay described Sanyal as a member of the politburo of the CPI (Maoist) who joined the “revolutionary” movement in 1968.

The press release claims a number of Maoist leaders such as Kobad Gandhi, Sushil Roy, Patitpavan Haldar, Pramod Mishra and Chandi Sarkar were being held on false charges across the country.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 016472.ece

[vera_k]

I wonder why the courts aren't moving quicker on these cases. At least the highlighted one should be easy to get done with, as everyone except Mr. Karkare are alive.

What was CBI doing till now in Malegaon case?

Going by the affidavit reply filed by the ATS in Supreme Court in Sadhvi's bail by default application, ATS says that Sadhvi's arrest (which officially took place on October 23, 2008) was based on two confessional statements made by one Dharmendra Bairagi and Dilip Nahar Vinod Patidar under the same provisions of law before the Metropolitan Magistrate court at Girgaum, Mumbai on October 22, 2008.

However, after they went back to Indore, they filed two respective criminal cases against ATS personnel on November 26, 2008 for alleged torture, intimidation, threatening, etc. before the Judicial Magistrate First Class, Indore, in which the deceased ATS chief Hemant Karkare was made the accused no.1, apart from scores of other officers.

[ramana]

Hindu reports

Malegoan accused seek bail

These are the 9 people arrested since 2006 and in custody while the police "investigate".
IOW four years without trial! All this without POTA/LOTA.

[ramana]

More details. I know how to read the article and decipher. I leave it up to the readers. More and more details.


http://beta.epw.in/static_media/PDF/arc ... frelot.pdf

There is flaw in his arguments. He lists many ex-servicemen that joined BJP after being retired as a proof of increasing military stance. One can also list the number who joined the INC! Further there are lot of suggestions and no hard evidence.

[somnath]

Again, Somnath, Brihaspati, Arjun et al, All of what you are discussing in off topic for this thread. Once again I ask all of you to cease and desist. You are welcome to pursue it in the off topic thread.
One more post after this will ensure warnings being given. This is already the second request here.

Point taken...

Brihaspatiji, in case you want to continue on Ks Lal and East Asian ccies - lets do it in the economy thread...

[abhishek_sharma]

Brihaspati guru, I have a question for you in the book review thread. Thanks.

[abhishek_sharma]

‘Defence, Foreign, Home Ministers told US that Pak did Samjhauta... probe them, Rahul and Digvijaya’ : Indresh Kumar

LINK

[sum]

Swami Aseemanand, as I know him

Ever since he came to the Dangs district in south Gujarat in 1995, he has gone totally tribal -- the Dangi tribals have converted him irrevocably so much so that Bengal (Editor's note: from where he hails) is past, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh is past, the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram is past; the Dangi tribal world is the overwhelming present and a clear future.

His mission in life was to serve the tribals, for which he had to join either the Christian missionaries or Hindu organisations working in the same field. He joined the Ramakrishna Mission and worked on their behalf in Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya and Mizoram. But the Ramakrishna Mission failed to match his zeal.

Thoroughly disappointed, he joined the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, an RSS affiliate. He worked for them in the Andaman and Nicobar islands [ Images ] and finally landed in the Dangs via Jharkhand and Maharashtra [ Images ]. Even the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram found his single-minded zeal disturbing and he was dumped in this remote Dangs district where the organisation had failed to make any headway.

He walked to the remotest tribal hamlets and stayed with tribal families in their huts, ate what they ate and shared their life in full; unlike most missionaries, Christian or Hindu, he passed no value judgement on them. He detested the very idea of foisting vegetarianism on the tribals or putting a stop to their animal sacrifice rituals.

While parting, he would give a framed photo of Lord Hanuman [ Images ] or a wooden Hanuman idol to the tribal family, charging them Rs 50. His choice of Hanuman stemmed from the fact that the tribals worshipped the monkey god.

After establishing a popular base among the tribals, he set up an ashram-cum-residential school at Vaghai, which turned out to be a huge success. This made Christian missionaries operating in the area most uneasy.

The boiling point came in 1998 when he planned a big expansion in Subir, 60 km from Vaghai. By Christmas in 1999, there was open confrontation between the tribal followers of Swami Aseemanand and Christian missionaries.

There was an outcry in the national media, with the burning of prayer huts being described as burning of Christian churches. The first rude awakening for Swami Aseemanand came around this time.

The Sangh Parivar dreads adverse media publicity, especially in a state where the Bharatiya Janata Party [ Images ] is in power. He was ordered to move out of the Dangs.

Post his arrest, Swami Aseemanand is painted as a fraud in the media for not building this school and hospital. But for the local tribals and Hindu religious organisations who sheltered him, he would have vanished into oblivion.

With the tribals refusing to respond to others in the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, Swami Aseemanand was brought back to Subir where he promptly began the construction of the Sabridham Mandir.

In his unique style, not just the labourers but even the contractor who built the temple, was a tribal. He skilfully wove the Bhil woman Sabri of the Ramayana [ Images ] into a tribal form of worship. It created such a wave among the tribals that Sabridham has become a tribal Badrinath of sorts.

The very government which blocked the building of a hospital and school, now gave full support to the first Sabri Kumbh in 2006, which attracted tribals from all over the country, offering the single largest platform for political mobilisation of tribals.

The entire Sangh Parivar top leadership and Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi [ Images ] were present at the inauguration, not because they loved Aseemanand, but because this presented them with a golden political opportunity.

Now the Sangh Parivar would like to control Sabridham minus Swami Aseemanand. So it too would prefer him out of Gujarat. Ironically, the Sangh Parivar and Christian missionaries desire the same thing for different reasons.

The ashram, which Swami Aseemanand built adjoining the Sabridham temple, has meals cooked by tribals. The roti is made from a local coarse grain called nagli. Contrary to adverse media reports, the ashram was an open house where anyone could stay.

Sunil Joshi, Sandeep Dange, Sadhvi Pragya [ Images ] and others accused in the Hindu terror cases could have stayed there without Aseemanand knowing about their plans.

But nothing beyond that for this man with a single focus on tribal welfare -- at most he can be a polite listener. The Muslim factor would come into Swami Aseemanand's world to the extent that it impinged on the tribals. Thus, for hours he can elaborate on how Muslims usurped tribal lands by marrying tribal women to get around the ban on buying tribal lands.

Or as a Bengali, he can get worked up over the Bangladeshi influx. So in theory, he could plan the bombing of a train to Bangladesh, but not the Samjhauta Express. He can be involved in a plan to drive away Muslim settlers with tribal wives from tribal areas, but not Malegaon or Ajmer or the Mecca Masjid.

Then his involvement in the blast was resurrected by the Rajasthan [ Images ] Anti-Terrorist Squad and he was arrested in Haridwar. He had been on the run for several months.

This development coincidentally came around the same time as the Binayak Sen judgment.

Both worked for the tribals, yet the media's response is unsettlingly sinister.

The same media, which eulogises Sen, does not even give fair coverage to Swami Aseemanand. Both are Bengali Brahmins; both loved the tribals. But Jatin Chatterji alias Aseemanand did not take the right Naxal path to tribal welfare!

The Dang tribals worship him. Yet, there is not a single report covering this aspect. Instead, there are fake reports painting him as a bully.

Confirms that the missionaries had him on the hit list and GoI is just doing a favour for them... The silence over his arrest compared to hue and cry over Dr. Sen is telling...

[ramana]

There is a inner core in INC that wants to do this. Its surrounded by a Fake Hindu Liberals to provide a modern guise.

[Murugan]

^ till the elections in four states are over.
Modi bashing has boomranged.
Yeddy twisting has boomranged.
Frustrated diggy's comeback to MP state politics is zero now.

The only few high profile sadhus and sadhvis are left, they will be of no use after the elections are over.

there will be new punch bags in next round of election.

the traitorous rulers will play another game as they dont have anything positive to show to the people

[shyamd]

Subramanian Swamy released a book about Hindu's being under seiged and provided 5 ways to get out of the current predicament. If anyone has the book please post thoughts on this and what the 5 ways are...

[svinayak]

An Indian's national identity is Hindustani
Every Hindustani must commit to either learning or ensuring the future generations compulsorily learn Sanskrit
Hindustan's democracy should be secular but that which is enlightened
All citizens of Hindustan must strive to make India a global economic power
Hindustan should integrate

http://www.kanchiforum.org/hindus_under_siege/?key=int

[brihaspati]

somnath wrote
Brihaspatiji, in case you want to continue on Ks Lal and East Asian ccies - lets do it in the economy thread...

Even there the first issue will be OT. I understand the ideological position you come from so no common meeting ground will ever be possible. Thanks for the discussions we have already had. But no point in carrying them any further.

[RamaY]

WTF

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/quest ... home-India

Tehelka magazine had carried a report a few days ago which said that Aseemanand has written to President Pratibha Patil and Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari admitting his 'crimes'.

In his letters, Aseemanand admitted change of heart after meeting a Muslim boy in prison and sought penance, the magazine said.

Aseemanand also sought meeting with Hafeez Saeed, Mullah Omar and transform them.

[Venkarl]

What?? transform Hafeez and Mullah?? Letters to Prezs of India and Pak?? After meeting muslim boy?? and this is the confession?? heights of ??? don't know what to say...

I am better

[brihaspati]

WTF

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/quest ... home-India

Tehelka magazine had carried a report a few days ago which said that Aseemanand has written to President Pratibha Patil and Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari admitting his 'crimes'.

In his letters, Aseemanand admitted change of heart after meeting a Muslim boy in prison and sought penance, the magazine said.

Aseemanand also sought meeting with Hafeez Saeed, Mullah Omar and transform them.

No he is trashing the prosecution. I said there are precedences in the Russian Bolshevik Purges of 1937. Make the confessions outrageous and inconsistent.

[Rangudu]

Swapan DasGupta noted thus in his piece on this farce:

A delegation from his native Georgia, it seems, left Stalin's office after a long meeting. After they had left, Stalin realised that he couldn't find his favourite pipe. He promptly summoned the notorious Beria to find out if anyone from the delegation had purloined it. However, after some time, while rummaging through his own things, Stalin located the pipe under his table. He promptly telephoned Beria and asked him to release the Georgian visitors. “I am sorry Comrade”, replied the KGB boss, “but half the delegation has already admitted taking your pipe, and the other half died during questioning

[arjunm]

This is a classic CATCH 22 situation for CBI and Congressi leaders. I hope those Muslims get the bail, we can see more CBI/Congress Tamasha

Those Muslims arrested for the Malegaon Blast asking for Bail-

Mumbai/New Delhi: Nine muslim men, who were arrested in the 2006 Malegaon blasts and in jail for the past four years, today moved a special (MCOCA) court seeking bail citing Swami Aseemanand's confession pointing to a right-wing group's involvement in the attack that killed 36 persons.

"From the confession it is clear that those responsible for the 2006 Malegaon blasts are persons far removed from the current accused," they said in the bail plea before the Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act(MCOCA) court.

Further, the accused have said that they have been in jail for past four years and 'there is no direct evidence of their involvement in the said offence and was only based on forcibly taken confession statement'.

NCP General Secretary Tariq Anwar met Home Minister P Chidambaram to demand that the arrested muslims be released immediately.

"They (Muslims) should be released immediately as there is ample proof of Hindu radicals carrying out the Malegaon blasts," Anwar told reporters in New Delhi after the meeting.

Aseemanand, who was arrested last November for his alleged role in the 2007 Mecca Masjid blasts, in his confession, recorded before the magistrate last month, had
said that a right-wing group was responsible for the 2006 blasts, which killed 37 people and injured over 100.

The blasts took near Hamidia mosque in the Bada Kabristan area around 1.15 p.m. on Friday on September 8, 2006, after Shab-e-Barat prayers.

The police had arrested nine persons -- Salman Farsi, Shabir Ahmed, Noorulhuda Doha, Rais Ahmed, Mohammed Ali, Asif Khan, Javed Sheikh, Faroogue Ansari and Abrar Ahmed -- for their alleged involvement in the blasts.

In December 2006, the case was handed over to CBI.

The special court has directed the investigation agency to file their reply to the bail plea by Januar

http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/India/_ ... -6354.html

[Murugan]

Jotin chaterjee, if the stories above are true, is a smart fella!

[Pranav]

Actually there were two sets of Malegaon blasts and secularists and DDM are seem to be mixing the two, perhaps deliberately. The blasts for which the Muslims were arrested were different from the blasts for which Purohit & Co were arrested, iirc.

[Arjun]

^Purohit and team were arrested for Malegaon 2008. But Aseemanand's 'confession' has apparently put the blame for Malegaon 2006 on Sunil Joshi & others...

[shravan]

Four Manipuri militants held in Goa

Panaji, Jan 19 (IANS) Four suspected militants, including a woman attached to the Manipur-based rebel group People's United Liberation Front (PULF), were arrested from a coastal village in south Goa Wednesday, police said.

The suspected militants were identified as Saira Banu, Mohd. Noor, Ayakatom and Samir Khan - all of them are wanted for standing trial in Manipur for militancy-related crimes. Superintendent of Police Allen D'Sa confirmed the arrests.

Goa police, Manipur police and the Indian Army were involved in the joint operation leading to the arrests, a police official said.

'Transit remand has been secured (from court) for all the four militants, who will be taken to Manipur for investigation into the crimes they have committed,' a senior police official said.

The PULF is Manipur's only Muslim militant group. It is allegedly funded by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency and functions along the Bangladesh border.

[abhishek_sharma]

NIA may charge cops with destroying evidence

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/NIA-m ... nce/739845

[Raghavendra]

3 held for planting RDX near Malad mall http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_3 ... ll_1496745

[abhischekcc]

Actually there were two sets of Malegaon blasts and secularists and DDM are seem to be mixing the two, perhaps deliberately. The blasts for which the Muslims were arrested were different from the blasts for which Purohit & Co were arrested, iirc.

No, the mix up is because of incompetence. Remember when they blamed modi for delaying calling for central help for '3 days'? Those three days were from Feb 28 to March 1. They forgot that February only has 28 days, there were no Feb 29 or 30 on which Modi delayed taking action.

Yet, the secularist media continued harping on 'Modi delayed forces for 3 days' until people started teaching how to read a calender to journalists.