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Japan's demographic Crisis and Immigration Policy
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Despite facing an imminent labour shortage as its population ages, Japan has done little to open itself up to immigration. . . . the government is doing the opposite, actively encouraging both foreign workers and foreign graduates of its universities and professional schools to return home while protecting tiny interest groups . . . . In 2009, the number of registered foreigners here fell for the first time since the government started to track annual records almost a half-century ago, shrinking 1.4 per cent from a year earlier to 2.19 million people — or just 1.71 per cent of Japan's overall population of 127.5 million. . . .

Experts say increased immigration provides one obvious remedy to Japan's two decades of lethargic economic growth. But instead of accepting young workers, however — and along with them, fresh ideas — Tokyo seems to have resigned itself to a demographic crisis that threatens to stunt the country's economic growth, hamper efforts to deal with its chronic budget deficits and bankrupt its social security system.

In 2008, only 11,000 of the 1,30,000 foreign students at Japan's universities and technical colleges found jobs here. . . .

Japan is losing skilled talent across industries, experts say. Investment banks, for example, are moving more staff members to hubs like Hong Kong and Singapore, which have more foreigner-friendly immigration and taxation regimes, lower costs of living and local populations that speak better English.

Foreigners who submitted new applications for residential status — an important indicator of highly skilled labour because the status requires a specialised profession — slumped 49 per cent in 2009 from a year earlier to just 8,905 people.

The barriers to immigration to Japan are many. Restrictive immigration laws bar the country's struggling farms or workshops from access to foreign labour, driving some to abuse trainee programmes for workers from developing countries, or hire illegal immigrants. Stringent qualification requirements shut out skilled foreign professionals, while a web of complex rules and procedures discourages entrepreneurs from setting up in Japan.

Given the dim job prospects, universities here have been less than successful at raising foreign student enrolment numbers. And in the current harsh economic climate, as local incomes fall and new college graduates struggle to land jobs, there has been scant political will to broach what has been a delicate topic.

But Japan's demographic time clock is ticking: its population will fall by almost a third to 90 million within 50 years, according to government forecasts. By 2055, more than one in three Japanese will be over 65, as the working-age population falls by over a third to 52 million.

Still, when a heavyweight of the defeated Liberal Democratic Party unveiled a plan in 2008 calling for Japan to accept at least 10 million immigrants, opinion polls showed that a majority of Japanese were opposed. “The shrinking population is the biggest problem. The country is fighting for its survival,” said Hidenori Sakanaka, director of the Japan Immigration Policy Institute, an independent research organisation. “Despite everything, America manages to stay vibrant because it attracts people from all over the world,” he said. “On the other hand, Japan is content to all but shut out people from overseas.”

Now, in a vicious cycle, Japan's economic woes, coupled with a lack of progress in immigration policy and lack of support for immigrants, are setting off an exodus of the precious few immigrants who have settled here.
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India overtakes China as the most attractive market for Japanese investment
China no longer dominates Japanese foreign investment and Japanese companies "are increasingly turning their attention to emerging markets as India and Vietnam," said Toshiharu Mimura, a senior economist at JBIC.

In the survey conducted in the summer of 2010, in which multiple responses were allowed, 74.9 per cent of the 605 Japanese manufacturers selected India as their investment destination over the next 10 years, compared with 71.7 per cent that chose China. In the previous year, China was first and India second.

As a destination over a shorter period, China came top at 77.3 per cent, followed by India at 60.5 per cent, Vietnam at 32.2 per cent, Thailand at 26.2 per cent, and Brazil at 24.6 per cent.

The companies that chose China and India said they viewed the two markets as having high growth potential.

Many companies, however, expressed concern over rising personnel costs in China amid the country's rapid economic growth, as well as labor issues, apparently reflecting a recent rise in disputes between Japanese firms and Chinese workers seeking wage hikes.

In the follow-up study to gauge the investment stance of Japanese companies after maritime collisions between a Chinese trawler and Japanese patrol boats near the disputed Senkaku Islands in September, 24.8 per cent responded that China was not as attractive as before, while 46.9 said it was important to reduce their dependence on China and diversify investment risks.
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I appreciate Japan as having been the ONLY victim of a Nuclear Attack. But some Japanese actions puzzle mme. They are ok for China to have nuclear weapons. They are still trying to get us legally to do the NPT in the nuclear deal they seek with us. They sanction us and join Ameer Khan in lecturing us about NPT; CTBT etc etc...

Japan really need to get moving and accept the inevitability of India's rise along with China in Global Order in general and Asia's security architectural paradigm in particular. I suspect, deep down they suffer from "superiority complex". The recent polls stating Japan's people not wanting immgration despite a clear and growing need is a pointer in that direction.

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Maram, when countries give a go-by to realpolitik and take an unattainable position of grandstanding, then the results will be disastrous. That is Japan's case. That has been the case in Pakistan too (which has taken an immoral grandstand of using terror to settle score with India and establish a Caliphate of which it will be the Head)
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SSridhar wrote:Maram, when countries give a go-by to realpolitik and take an unattainable position of grandstanding, then the results will be disastrous. That is Japan's case. That has been the case in Pakistan too (which has taken an immoral grandstand of using terror to settle score with India and establish a Caliphate of which it will be the Head)
Absolutely spot on SSridhar Garu. The prolonged economic misery in Japan since the deflation days has not helped. Rather than thinking out of the box, They have gone into a box! Sadly... Hope Japan has a leader that can see the emrging new world order and Japan's option vis a vis Amir Khan and Commiepanda and therefore reach the obvious conclusion :- "Japan's long term security is enhanced by forging closer ties with New Delhi" Currently, this looks unlikely.

MMS was right when he said we would wait(on his recent trip to Japan) but would not committ India to anything more than has already been committed. ball is in Japan's court..... watch the space
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japan is too dhimmified by the US and its protective shield
but with sufficient fear of a belligerent china and unkil's prodding, expect to see japan and so.ko become more aggressively armed gate guardians
for insurance, japan may seek to forge better ties with India
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Lalmohan wrote:japan is too dhimmified by the US and its protective shield
but with sufficient fear of a belligerent china and unkil's prodding, expect to see japan and so.ko become more aggressively armed gate guardians
for insurance, japan may seek to forge better ties with India
Trilateral commission has confined and reduced Japans involvement with India
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India, Japan close to nuclear accord

http://www.hindu.com/2011/01/18/stories ... 101400.htm
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I have school mates who are working in Japan. They say Indian presence in Japan(read IT professionals) has increased in recent times. But Japan is a very insular country and hence they have'nt allowed immigration. The density of population is very high and hence they have no scope as well,perhaps. Rather than jumping on the Moral high horse( we have suffered nuke attacks(but we have nuke umbrella) so listen to us righteous people), Japan needs to grow and realise the inevitability of India's rise. Once that happens, there are limitless possibilities.....
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The number of Indians working in Tokyo are a measly 11,000. Not enough to influence and certain not a visible presence other than 2-3 localities.
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" japan is too dhimmified by the US and its protective shield
but with sufficient fear of a belligerent china and unkil's prodding, expect to see japan and so.ko become more aggressively armed gate guardians
for insurance, japan may seek to forge better ties with India"

Japan's traditional opposition to India's nuclear weapons capability and programme stems from a couple of sources, none of which really has anything to do with morality or ethics. Though there is a genuine soulful, heartfelt sentiment in Japan that opposes India's and every other country's nuclear weapons. These are expressed by the people or the descendants of people who suffered the Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks.

Really, it's falling in line with the US policy of preventing India from developing strategic technology.This section is not courageous enough to go against historic American policy toward India. But there are also Japanese who dislike India having this capability because they see it as either competition with themselves, or they view it as an undesirable counter to China, whom they identify with more. IOW, this type of Japanese is actually comfortable( for whatever reason) with China( or the US, France et al) having nuclear weapons, but not India. Racialism, arrogance and ignorance all play a role here.
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Collaboration in rare earth minerals: Japan positive

Of course, Japan would be positive because it is under a squeeze. But, we have to really see how much we ourselves can export. We are not endowed with a huge reserve ourselves. Besides, the quid pro quo has to be significant, not merely removing IREL alone from the Entities List.
Japan “has very positively received” a suggestion that the Indian Rare Earths Ltd. (IREL) be removed from the “list of entities with which Japanese technical collaboration is restricted,” Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma said on Friday.

Mr. Sharma told The Hindu from Malaysia that he raised the issue at a meeting with Japanese Foreign Minister Seiji Maehara in Tokyo on Wednesday. The subject was discussed in the context of Japan's initiative for a joint venture between Toyota Toshu and the IREL.

IREL, which comes under the Department of Atomic Energy, has come into focus following the October 2010 agreement between the Prime Ministers of Japan and India to explore the possibilities of collaboration in rare earth minerals.

Speaking after signing the India-Malaysia Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement in Putrajaya, Mr. Sharma said he was now “reasonably optimistic that the obstacle… of the restrictive list … will be removed very soon” in respect of the IREL.

Shortly after Mr. Sharma's talks with the Japanese Minister on Wednesday, Japanese officials told The Hindu that Tokyo “would like to make progress” towards “joint exploration with India for the development of rare earth minerals.”

On the current state of play in the Japan-India civil nuclear talks, Mr. Sharma said he briefed the Japanese Minister on India's quest for energy security.

“In principle, there is an understanding between India and Japan to explore the possibilities of cooperation in the civil nuclear domain. How to move forward is left to the agencies concerned,” he added.
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India and Japan signed a Free Trade Agreement on Wednesday:

Japan, India sign pact to further free up trade
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New economic axis with Tokyo
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... yo/425920/
The far-reaching Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement serves a number of national interests on both sides.The Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement with Japan, signed in Tokyo by commerce and industry minister Anand Sharma and Japanese foreign minister Seiji Maehara, comes at a time when China has been declared the world’s second largest economy, second only to the US, overtaking Japan in the process.With Tokyo now relegated to third place, analysts say the agreement with Delhi is one way through which Japan hopes to kick-start its faltering economy, whose annual growth figure refuses to rise above two per cent.Clearly, the Democratic Party of Japan-led government believes the CEPA is also a strategic tool to enhance Japanese influence in the Indian Ocean littoral. In April, when India and the US embark upon a series of naval exercises called the Malabar series, this time off the coast of Okinawa, Japan’s Maritime Self-Defence Agency (the official term for its Navy) will also participate for the second year running.Delhi is gently nurturing an informal consolidation of this triangle. China is far too important and far too big to be an antagonist for each side, but the government clearly hopes that common initiatives such as lobbying for a permanent seat in an expanded Security Council, as well as the CEPA, will push the insular Japanese into not only opening its economy but also allow easy movement of Indian labour into that country.
Nuke softening
There is another prize at the end of the rainbow, which the Japanese are so far resisting: Allowing Japanese companies such as Mitsubishi, Toshiba and Hitachi to sell high-technology items used in the civil nuclear industry to their Western partners, thereby enabling the latter to do civil nuclear business in India. Fact is, that as long as these Japanese companies refuse to carry out indirect nuclear trade with India, Delhi’s much-vaunted civil nuclear ambitions, midwifed by the Indo-US civil nuclear deal of 2008, will remain still-born.
The India-Japanese nuclear conversation remains ongoing, with suggestions that India reiterate its commitment to no-first-use in the launch of nuclear weapons as mentioned by the Nuclear Suppliers Group in 2008.Meanwhile, by opening 90 per cent of its trade tariff lines to the Japanese — who have opened 95 per cent of their own — India hopes the CEPA will slowly do what US pressure on Tokyo has failed to deliver so far. By expanding the wealth basket beyond the few Japanese majors who prefer the mergers & acquisitions route to investment in India — such as Daiichi Sankyo’s buyout of Ranbaxy for $4.2 billion and NTT DoCoMo’s purchase of 26 per cent in Tata Telecom over 2008-9 — Delhi hopes Tokyo would look at India’s need to build nuclear energy plants without signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty with a kinder eye.Expectations that bilateral trade will touch $25 billion from the current $10.3 bn by 2014 are already in the air, as Indian officials hope the nature of Japanese investment in India will diversify. The trend is already there. According to official Japanese data, the number of Japanese firms has doubled over the past three years in India, with the result that Japanese investment has touched ¥800 billion, or $9.6 bn.
Sustainability
Relations with China are increasingly strained, the Japanese officials added, while Vietnam is too small to make a significant difference. India’s size, population and ability to sustain economic reform make it a very attractive destination, especially in intensive labour manufacturing.But it is the decision to create a joint revolving fund worth $9 billion to kickstart the 1,483-km Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor project (which runs through six states from Delhi, via Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan and Gujarat, before it reaches Maharashtra) which constitutes fascinating new progress in the India-Japanese relationship. By tying the Japanese into infrastructure creation in India as well as the parallel creation of several model townships along this corridor, Delhi is aiming at a long-term economic relationship with Japan which could serve as a model for other countries.Anand Sharma’s tour of Japan last week concluded with a trip to Malaysia, where he signed a Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement with his counterpart, Mustapa Mohamed, thereby hoping to create an arc of prosperity across the Indian Ocean littoral. The CECA with Malaysia, which comes into effect on July 1, hopes to expand trade in goods beyond the India-Asean free trade agreement.Analysts say the time may have come for the merger of the external affairs and commerce ministries, so that India is better able to use economics to lobby for political goals.
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Prem wrote:"Analysts say the time may have come for the merger of the external affairs and commerce ministries, so that India is better able to use economics to lobby for political goals."
That would be stupid. There is a lot more to external affairs than just commerce! We cannot allow India to simply become all about economy! We live in a dangerous world!
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Japan should learn from India's tough diplomacy
Inwardly, China must be fretting. To begin with, the two countries have irreconcilable differences over their ideas of how the world order ought to be. China wants to build a world with the United States and China at the helm while India aims to stand on an equal footing with China in a corner of a multi-polar world. This is why other Asian nations looks to India as a potential power to counterbalance China.
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Japan is hit by a massive Earth quake and a massive Tsunami. See the video
http://www.vgtv.no/#id=38263
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X-posted from GDF.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... rmoon.html
The powerful tsunami that today slammed into Japan's eastern coast comes just two days after warnings that the movement of the moon could trigger unpredictable events on Earth.

Astrologers (EDIT: Should be astronomers I think) predicted that on March 19 - a week tomorrow - the so-called 'supermoon' will be closer to Earth than at any time since 1992, just 221,567 miles away, and that its gravitational pull will bring chaos to Earth.


Others on the Internet have predicted it will cause further catastrophes such as volcanic eruptions and earthquakes.

Coming just three weeks after the quake which devastated Christchurch in New Zealand killing hundreds, this latest disaster will only add fuel to their fire.
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Apparently 300 bodies were found on a beach in Sendai. :(

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A few photos in these 2 links.

Please post links to photos as and when you find them.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/photos/2011/ ... 161999.htm

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/worl ... 6019903430

Sendai airport :eek: :eek:

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Thanks Purush! Great job.
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tv pictures are beyond shocking
luckily, being japan and highly organised - casualties will be much lower than other countries
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AmberG, Can I request you take lead in following the shore based nuke power plants siting hazards issue? What can India learn from this and how are Indian plants located?
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http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/0 ... ear-fears/

Posting in full...
A reactor cooling system malfunctioned at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant in Japan on Friday, prompting the country to declare a nuclear emergency in the aftermath of the large earthquake.

However, there was no information about a leak or contamination at any of Japan's eleven reactors, according to Prime Minister Naoto Kan.

Kan told a press conference, "Regarding our nuclear power facilities, so far no radioactive material has been leaked to the outside. Given the situation, an emergency disaster response has been set up as myself as a head. We will secure the safety of the people of Japan. We ask the people of Japan to act calmly."

Late on Friday, Japan's nuclear safety agency said pressure inside the reactor at the Fukushima No. 1 power plant in northern Japan had risen to 1.5 times the level considered normal. To reduce the pressure, officials were considering releasing slightly radioactive vapour, the Associated Press reported. The agency said the radioactive element in the vapour would not affect the environment or human health.

Earlier in the day, the government had declared a nuclear power emergency situation, which occurs if there is confirmation of radioactivity leaks from a nuclear power plant or a reactor cooling system breaks down.

had filed an emergency report with the government Friday in which it said it faces a shortage of capacity to cool its reactors at Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant.

The reactors at Fukushima should have multiple, redundant safety features installed to help cool reactor cores and prevent meltdown so its unclear what the company means by a "shortage of capacity." The eight reactors at Fukushima are "boiling water reactors," which means the reactor needs to be cooled after fission stops following emergency shut-down. To do this, water must be pumped into the reactor core; but that requires electricity, and press reports in Japan suggested that a back-up diesel generator at the plant had failed. Should the coolant system fail, meltdown can occur and, should containment systems fail, a radioactive plum could explode from the power plant as it did in Chernobyl in 1986.

Hillary Clinton said the U.S. had assisted in the emergency by sending coolant to the plant. "We just had our Air Force assets in Japan transport some really important coolant to one of the nuclear plants," Clinton said, according to Reuters. "You know Japan is very reliant on nuclear power and they have very high engineering standards but one of their plants came under a lot of stress with the earthquake and didn't have enough coolant."

After Clinton's announcement and late on Friday, Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told reporters that people within 2 to 3 kilometers (1.2 to 1.8 miles) of the Fukushima Daiichi power plant have been told to leave the area. Those closer by -- within 3 to 10 kilometers -- were asked to stay home. Japan's Kyodo News Agency estimated that the evacuation order directly affected about 3,000 people. "This is a precautionary instruction for people to evacuate," Edano said, according to CNN.

Yet Edano also said the Fukushima Daiichi reactor "remains at a high temperature," because it "cannot cool down."

Japan has long faced fears over the safety of its nuclear reactors given their location on top of four seismic plates—and public confidence in nuclear power dipped in 2007 when an earthquake caused a radiation leak in Kashiwazaki Kariwa nuclear plant. As Toko Sekiguchi reported for TIME, there were recriminations following the quake between plant operator Tokyo Electric and the government, which accused the company of failing to respond quickly enough in the quake's aftermath. The President of the company apologized--though the IAEA later found that the Kashiwazaki Kariwa plant "behaved in a safe manner, during and after the earthquake."

This time, at least, there seems to have been more open and swift communication between Tokyo Electric and Japenese and international officials. The IAEA said on Friday that it had been alerted of a heightened state of alert at Fukushima and was following the situation.

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BTW, Tohoku Univ, one of the top tier engg schools in Japan is located in Sendai, but fortunately, it looks like it's situated further inland in the city, so probably unaffected by the tsunami.
There may be a few Indians there (postdocs, grad students etc); I hope all- Indians, Japanese etc are okay. :(
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What coolant? BWR reactors use natural water to quickly cool the core. Auxilary DG power failed from above press report. Is the Fukushima reactors BWR mark II or Mark III?
The containment dome can withstand the pressures of a LOCA (loss of coolant accident) from pipe breaks which is more severe than this. Ususally there is containment spray system to cool the steam inside in case of an accident.

ASME Design conditions are:
Normal: weight and thermal
Upset: Normal+ Seismic (operating basis eqk)
Emergency: Normal + Seismic (SSE: Safe shut down Eqk)
Faulted: Normal + SSE + LOCA

So situation is more like third with some elements of fourth in some pipes.

Faulted means the plant is closed for ever.

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BTW cheap shot on US part to emphasise their miniscule efforts while the locals are coping with severe distress.
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Lots of high quality photos here..the power of Nature is mindboggling!

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/0 ... japan.html

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http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110311D11JF351.htm

Radiation Level Rising In Fukushima Nuclear Plant Turbine Building

FUKUSHIMA (Kyodo)--The radiation level is rising in the building housing a turbine of the No. 1 reactor of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant following Friday's powerful earthquake, the operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Saturday.

The company also said monitoring data suggested the air pressure level has also soared inside the container of the reactor. :-?
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110311/ap_ ... ower_plant
Japan's nuclear safety agency said pressure inside one of six boiling water reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant had risen to 1.5 times the level considered normal. Hours after the evacuation order, the government announced that the plant in northeastern Japan will release slightly radioactive vapor from the unit to lower the pressure in an effort to protect it from a possible meltdown.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said the amount of radioactive element in the vapor would be "very small" and would not affect the environment or human health. "With evacuation in place and the ocean-bound wind, we can ensure the safety," he said at a televised news conference early Saturday.

After the quake triggered a power outage, a backup generator also failed and the cooling system was unable to supply water to cool the 460-megawatt No. 1 reactor, though at least one backup cooling system was being used. The reactor core remains hot even after a shutdown.

The agency said plant workers are scrambling to restore cooling water supply at the plant but there is no prospect for immediate success.
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Yeah lack of cooling water has heated the core and there seems to be a LOCA(pipe break) for as far as I know* no other reason for rise of pressure in containment bldg. Turbine bldg will see radiation as a BWR uses same steam from reactor to turbine. So most likely there is failure in turbine bldg also. PWR has secondary steam which runs the turbine.


*Ten years in PWR and BWR plant design..

Diesel generator plant provides power in case of power shut down. The job of the system is to pump water to enusre core is not exposed. In case os sudden shutdown the steam is vented or dumped into huge swimming pools at the bottom of the reacotr bldg to cool it down.

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460mw reactor means its mark II. Most likely built to 80s design.
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Ramana ji, apparently all 4 reactors at the newer plant - Fukushima II, which was constructed in the '80s, shut down without incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_ ... ower_Plant

Fukushima I, the older of the two, is the one in trouble. Apparently, it was built in the 70s, with the 460MW reactor commissioned in '71.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_ ... ower_Plant

Regarding the US 'airlift', it does seem just like a cheap "USA Saves the World from Nuclear Disaster Once Again" PR stunt.

Also likely that they airlifted something else entirely to the plant, and it's been incorrectly referred to as 'coolant' in the press.
I am going with the cheap PR stunt theory.
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Missed this part buried deep inside. A total of three plants at different locations had problems.
The nuclear reactor was among 10 in Japan shut down because of the earthquake.

The Fukushima plant is just south of the worst-hit Miyagi prefecture, where a fire broke out at another nuclear plant. The blaze was in a turbine building at one of the Onagawa power plants. Smoke could be seen coming out of the building, which is separate from the plant's reactor, Tohoku Electric Power Co. said. The fire has since been extinguished.

Another reactor at Onagawa was experiencing a water leak.
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Purush,
What the US did was air lift D-G sets to the plant site to provide power as the palnt DG failed. The Wiki article says the fuel rods not exposed so its not so bad. The rad level will be small as BWR operate with some contamination. If plant was built in 1971 its most likely BWR Mark I i.e. same as Tarapur. Will correct after confirmation.

Bade fires in turbine bldg etc are not serious.

BTW, in the Boston Post pictures there are very interesting pics. Spread of tsunami, the pacific ocean depth and pics of the people how calm they are.

And LV bags.
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What was delivered were not coolants but for auxiliary power as per the second Wiki link above.
The United States Air Force delivered diesel generators to the plant site to assist in powering the cooling pumps.
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(From Reported News from standard sources)

Operational status of Japan's nuclear power plants after todays earthquake.

A total of 11 reactors at four plants operated by three firms have shut down automatically.

(Japan's nine utilities and one wholesaler have 54 nuclear power generators for commercial use, with a total generating capacity of 48,960 megawatts)
Above from Reuters ( Here is table of the reactors status: Link ..
Fukushima 1 entered the service in 1971 (It could work for few hours (about 4) without Diesel generators going on - batteries (to open and close valves) and also steam (to push) can make the pumps work in case of electric power interruptions )

As Bade said, the critical part is not coolant (water) but mechanism needed to pump it.
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If Fukushima_I was built in 1971, its close to end of life and needs to be shut down. 40 years is the design life. It might have some refurbishment of fuel rods supports etc. I dont think it will come back up. It will be shut down espcially after the SSE event like one today.
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^^^ Reports are that all nuclear power plants have been ordered to be shutdown...
Reports are that radiation level at Fukushima 1 has increased (though no radiation material leak) but thousands have been evacuated.
http://english.hotnews.ro/stiri-top_new ... levels.htm
Kyodo news agency reports that the level of radiations increases nearby reactor 1 of the Fukushima plant where the cooling system of the reactor gave in after the quake. Currently, there is no information regarding a possible leak of radioactive material. Armed forces were already sent in the area after 6000 people were evacuated today.

UPDATE 1 The operator of the nuclear plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co announced that the pressure of the reactor 1 of Fukushima plant is increases, and the danger is that radioactive material could be leaked.

Earlier today, Japanese authorities declared state of nuclear emergency as the cooling system of Fukushima 1 nuclear plant gave in after the quake.

Meanwhile, American air forces stationed in Japan transported cooling agents at the plant, American state secretary Hillary Clinton announced. All nuclear plants in Japan have been shut down after the 8.9 Richter scale quake. For now, only the Fukushima plant reported problems.
Also
From http://www.asahi.com/national/update/03 ... 10824.html
The Tokyo Electric Power Company was considering venting super hot gas from the reactor vessel into the atmosphere ... this will result in the release of radiation.

(Confirming as posted earlier ... Fukushima I is BWR went critical in March 26, 1971 (460 MW))
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^^^ BTW one can see the the current view of Fukushima at the following web cam:
http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html
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Radiation levels 8 times normal levels near main gate of Fukushima. Japan orders expansion of evacuation area around Fukushima plant to 10km from 3km #fukushima
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Does not look good there.

Also dam break reported by ToI, did not see it elsewhere.
Kyodo dam break

TOKYO: A dam in Japan's northeast Fukushima prefecture broke and homes were washed away, Kyodo news reported on Saturday, after the biggest earthquake in the nation's history wreaked death and havoc.
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