People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Jan 2011 17:26

DavidD wrote: Eventually, they'll be assimilated just like many other ethnicities before them. The Han will become a little more Tibetan, and the Tibetan will become a lot more Han.

Well I am not sure why the Han are trying to take on Tibetans 15,000 feet up in the air. Down in the plains Pakis will readily sleep with any Chinese and it would be really simple to convert Paksiatnian to Han.

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 13 Jan 2011 20:36

No change in visa policy for residents of Arunachal: China

China today made it clear that it will not issue visas to any official from Arunachal Pradesh, over which it lays claims, and will continue to issue stapled visas to non-officials from that state.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 13 Jan 2011 21:49

DavidD wrote,
Eventually, they'll be assimilated just like many other ethnicities before them. The Han will become a little more Tibetan, and the Tibetan will become a lot more Han.

Humans show a very great deal of genetic similarity with chimpanzees, most residents of China unfortunatley fall in the same shared gene pool too with the Chimpanzee [their descendants not mixing their bloodlines with host populations in the west say and amenable to DNA testing do not show any special straight rolled out from heaven original Sinic homind descent]. So who absorbed whom? Have chimps changed "into a little more human" and humans became a lot more "chimpanzee"?

Or did some Hans became a lot more of the Sinic original hominid, while the Sinic hominids living in the lower Chinese plains before the small tired straggling group of wandering barbarians calling themselves Hans arrived there, became a little more "Han"?

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 14 Jan 2011 00:06

chi-pandas are jack of all trades master of none......

Arihant · Post by **Arihant** » 14 Jan 2011 03:15

Philip wrote:One "passive" way to teach China a lesson by the Indian people is to Boycott Chinese goods.Cheap Chinese goods flood the Indian market at our cost and that of our poor.Spread the message,"NO Chinese crap".I tell my friends not to buy Chinko wares and check labels of products and reject them if they have a "Made in China label".Chinese goods should also be publicly burnt as was done with British cloth during the Raj.This is entirely in the best Gandhian tradition,where "passive" resistance is actually pro-active and the most effective,.Unfortunately,our greedmongering politicos and babus will sell their souls and the country to our mortal enemy for "30 pieces of silver".

Here's how the Chinese plan to deal with HH the DL and the Tibetan diaspora.

http://news.in.msn.com/international/ar ... id=4790894

Fight against Dalai Lama to be intense: Chinese official
Beijing: A top Chinese official heading the Tibet administration has said fight against Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama is meant to be "lasting, intense and complicated" and the government faced "arduous task" of keeping secessionists away.

"We are still facing an arduous task to fight secessionists and maintain stability in the region," official Xinhua quoted Choling as saying in his first government report submitted to the local legislature for review on Monday.
PS:Good! That the (pls avoid using this word - JE Menon) are facing an "arduous task" is welcoming news,in that the resistance to the ethnic-cleansing by the Han ****** is strong.We must support to the hilt every way possible the Tibetans within and without Tibet and checkmate Chinese michief in the Himalayas and the sub-continent.The "Game" is going to be long and arduous indeed!

Philip-ji makes a very good point about the access that we give to Chinese goods in the Indian market. It is heartbreaking to see Indian shops and Indian homes full of toxic Chinese toys - we will raise a generation of damaged kids ...It is scary to see Chinese food imports (the most recent being apples?) in our supermarket shelves. Also interesting to note that our department store chains seem to sell Chinese goods without a "Made In China" label. I recall a recent trip where I was trying to buy a small appliance and found several where the corporate address of manufacturer (typically in Western Europe or the US) would be listed on the product and packaging, but not the country of manufacture. The attending salespeople initially tried to convince me that I should treat the corporate address as the country of manufacture - but on further quizzing admitted that made-in-China goods were often sold sans that label (so some of that sentiment that we seek to encourage might already be alive).

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Jan 2011 07:16

Well banning Chinese goods is easier said than done. An old family jeweller visited us a few days ago and pulled out of his bag and electronic weighing scale the size of a cellphone to weigh some jewellery. I asked him abut it and he told me that the market is full of Chinese electronic scales that conk out in a couple of years but cost only Rs 5000 which is cheap enough for the cost to be made up in a year. A "reliable" German model costs over 15,000. The Chinese are not going anywhere anytime soon.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jan 2011 08:24

India asks China to follow a consistent visa policy

“We have unequivocally conveyed to the Chinese side that a uniform practice of issuance of visas to Indian nationals must be followed, regardless of the applicant's ethnicity or place of domicile,” it {a statement issued by the Ministry of External Affairs} said.

“This practice is certainly tied to China's position on Jammu and Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh. One could infer various conclusions, but as far as India is concerned, anything that questions the status of these two States won't be acceptable. These States are as important to us as the Tibet issue is to China,” said sources in the government.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jan 2011 09:27

US Defence Secretary warns of disconnect between Chinese military and civilian leadership

US Defense Secretary Robert Gates Friday said there had been signs of "a disconnect" between China's military and civilian leadership but stressed that President Hu Jintao is "in command and in charge".

Gates, speaking in Tokyo on Friday, said "this is an area where over the last several years we have seen some signs of, I guess I would call it a disconnect between the military and the civilian leadership".

He said the civilian leadership appeared to be unaware of aggressive actions by Chinese naval ships in recent years, about an anti-satellite test and that there were "pretty clear indications they were unaware of the (J-20) flight test".

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 14 Jan 2011 11:03

Stapled visas for ‘disputed’ Arunachal region, says China

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Stapl ... ina/737178

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Jan 2011 19:20

Time India provides stapled visas to all Chinese. The entire nation is disputed after all.

"Chaavuki pedite lankhananiki vastundi", if you threat the patient with death he would come to terms with fasting.

Another step is to stop all bilateral trade with PRC; as all it does it is to fuel the economic activity of disputed-prc.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Jan 2011 19:35

SSridhar wrote:US Defence Secretary warns of disconnect between Chinese military and civilian leadership
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates Friday said there had been signs of "a disconnect" between China's military and civilian leadership but stressed that President Hu Jintao is "in command and in charge".

Gates, speaking in Tokyo on Friday, said "this is an area where over the last several years we have seen some signs of, I guess I would call it a disconnect between the military and the civilian leadership".

He said the civilian leadership appeared to be unaware of aggressive actions by Chinese naval ships in recent years, about an anti-satellite test and that there were "pretty clear indications they were unaware of the (J-20) flight test".

unkil is being chankiyan onlee...

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 18 Jan 2011 06:47

China joins elite N-tech club

http://www.hindustantimes.com/China-joi ... 51607.aspx

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 18 Jan 2011 07:33

big deal. we have reprocessed 155,000 MWd/t burnup fuel from the FBTR. but of course some shit pilot scale facility based on "COEX" ( for those who came late that is China's lookee into UREX and PUREX) becomes big news. Rubbish.

We already have some 330 tonnes plus reprocessing capability and can easily recycle LWR fuel.

The fact remains that India's problem is that it is too easy to find people who want to downgrade themselves.

So even after the Arjun conclusively defeats the T-90 in comparative trials you still have Indian and foreign journalists saying nasty things about the tank.

Even after the LCA gets inducted you have a major national magazine getting people to write blanket garbage about its fly by wire system.

This is why I said that it was absolutely inappropriate to make that "not 4 G yet statement" on that day.

Unless the govt and military of the day come out strongly behind their own babies who is going to do it for them?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Jan 2011 12:25

Chinese villagers revolt.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 86995.html

Villagers disrupt tourist island plan
Tuesday, 18 January 2011

Thousands of villagers angry at government plans to build an artificial island in southern China have forced the project to be suspended after clashing with workers and smashing vehicles, state media said.

The government in Wenchang, on the resort island of Hainan, wanted to build an artificial island to attract tourists. Villagers feared it would damage the environment and their fishing grounds, the Xinhua news agency said.

"Construction started last Tuesday, but was forced to stop after angry villagers came to the site," the report said.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 18 Jan 2011 23:29

China's military a fragmented beast
An article by John Garnaut, the correspondent in Beijing of the Fairfax group of Newspapaers of Australia.

The PLA seems designed for propaganda, personal enrichment and then war.
...
But I still find it difficult to shake the impression that the modern PLA is a fragmented beast designed for propaganda, personal enrichment and war, in that order. China's unveiling of several military advances in the lead-up to this week's crucial summit has done little to change that view.
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The episode {the test flight of stealth aircraft} adds yet more evidence to the theory that Hu and his allies lack the political capital to rein in privileges and restrain nationalistic forces for the country's greater good.
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For better or for worse, even the formidable Chinese Communist Party is not finding it easy to maintain its dictatorship after the end of communism and beyond the lives of its founding revolutionaries

link

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jan 2011 23:34

All those writing about the PLA don't understand that if it were not for the PLA there wouldn't be Communist China or People's Republic of China.

PLA is the nationalist force in the PRC. CCP is a bunch of thugs making money from the power of the PLA.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 19 Jan 2011 11:11

Hu, US and us: C Raja Mohan

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hu-us-and-us/739302/

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 19 Jan 2011 11:48

Named and shamed, China turns to intimidation

http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/post ... timidation

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jan 2011 21:28

Folks I am looking for some ideas - especially photos, preferably videos to prove the everlasting and longstanding pakistani -China friendship. I need to find videos about attitudes to Pork in Pakistan and a few chinese videos of pork dishes being cooked.

I know that Pakistanis who are strict when it comes to blasphemy etc are easy when it comes to Chinese pork. I know they don't mind pork. Islam and Quran be damned.

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 20 Jan 2011 01:26

shiv wrote:Folks I am looking for some ideas - especially photos, preferably videos to prove the everlasting and longstanding pakistani -China friendship. I need to find videos about attitudes to Pork in Pakistan and a few chinese videos of pork dishes being cooked.

I know that Pakistanis who are strict when it comes to blasphemy etc are easy when it comes to Chinese pork. I know they don't mind pork. Islam and Quran be damned.

Seems kinda petty to me. Almost scraping the barrel a little bit. Surely there are better things for you to look up? Like tortured Islamists in China maybe?

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 20 Jan 2011 02:22

^^^^ Tortured Islamists is nothing new,they are tortured in every muslim country. I see the real meaning of Shiv saar's quest. IMHO it will show bakis how tarell then mountain friend treat muslim religion itself. Bakis try to find everything good in panda without bringing out the real stuff. But once truth is out and is digested in madarsas ...............that is jeeeehaaarrrd.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 20 Jan 2011 03:11

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 20 Jan 2011 03:16

rsingh wrote:^^^^ Tortured Islamists is nothing new,they are tortured in every muslim country. I see the real meaning of Shiv saar's quest. IMHO it will show bakis how tarell then mountain friend treat muslim religion itself. Bakis try to find everything good in panda without bringing out the real stuff. But once truth is out and is digested in madarsas ...............that is jeeeehaaarrrd.

Are you telling me that if the street level muslims wants to do Jihad against someone it will be done?

Who pays the people that pays them? You can't be serious. Stop making jokes and derailing the thread. Jihad against China for sweet and sour pork?

Our friendship with Pakistan is taller than the highest mountain and deeper than the deepest of oceans. Let none dispute it!

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 20 Jan 2011 03:17

Toilet-themed restaurant in China flushed with success

signature dishes include 'excrement ice cream' and 'toilet bowl hot pot'

Beijing Diners in China are overcoming their reservations by flocking to a new toilet-themed restaurant where business is booming.

Customers at the Modern Toilet restaurant, in Kunming, Yunnan province, eat on seats converted from toilets.

Urinals hang on the walls as decorations and signature dishes include 'excrement ice cream', 'toilet bowl hot pot' and 'fried poo sticks'.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 20 Jan 2011 03:40

TonyMontana wrote:
rsingh wrote:^^^^ Tortured Islamists is nothing new,they are tortured in every muslim country. I see the real meaning of Shiv saar's quest. IMHO it will show bakis how tarell then mountain friend treat muslim religion itself. Bakis try to find everything good in panda without bringing out the real stuff. But once truth is out and is digested in madarsas ...............that is jeeeehaaarrrd.
Are you telling me that if the street level muslims wants to do Jihad against someone it will be done?

Who pays the people that pays them? You can't be serious. Stop making jokes and derailing the thread. Jihad against China for sweet and sour pork?

Our friendship with Pakistan is taller than the highest mountain and deeper than the deepest of oceans. Let none dispute it!

No question of derailing thread.................I am not on the same thread as you...carry on

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 20 Jan 2011 03:51

Bade wrote:Toilet-themed restaurant in China flushed with success
signature dishes include 'excrement ice cream' and 'toilet bowl hot pot'

Beijing Diners in China are overcoming their reservations by flocking to a new toilet-themed restaurant where business is booming.

Customers at the Modern Toilet restaurant, in Kunming, Yunnan province, eat on seats converted from toilets.

Urinals hang on the walls as decorations and signature dishes include 'excrement ice cream', 'toilet bowl hot pot' and 'fried poo sticks'.

Hu : A toast in honour of the visiting Paki Jarnail
Kiyani : But wine is not halal

Hu: No worry , have excrement ice cream

Kukreja · Post by **Kukreja** » 20 Jan 2011 04:09

Bade wrote:
signature dishes include 'excrement ice cream', 'toilet bowl hot pot' and 'fried poo sticks'.

wait. how is this any different from Dim-Sum?

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 20 Jan 2011 04:57

If the waiter suggests champagne, DO NOT ORDER IT.....

Kukreja wrote: wait. how is this any different from Dim-Sum?

The toilet-chairs have cushions that say "Doo-some?"

So many ROTFLers......

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jan 2011 05:35

TonyMontana wrote: Seems kinda petty to me. Almost scraping the barrel a little bit.

The fact that you dislike it is added incentive, petty or not. Pettiness is not restricted to me - your government does it regularly in the form of toothless symbolic acts like stapled visas - but I digress. Actually it is designed to be subversive from the start. Pork eating per se is not a problem and I personally think pork tastes far better than most other forms of meat. But the pig is considered a dirty animal in Islam. That too is not a problem - each to his own taste.

But the combination of "deep/tall" and unshakeable, unbreakable friendship between a failing country that is going more and more Islamic by literally following the letter of their scriptures and another country that is well on its way to becoming a superpower is too tempting to be ignored.

It is Chinese weakness (and not Chinese strength) that demands that Pakistan should be their ally. It is my fervent desire to see that alliance become a liability. The oh- so sophisticated Pakistanis who are praising and admiring the Chinese on the internet are a far cry from the 180 million Paki Abduls who would kill you for rearing, slaughtering and eating pigs.

In an ideal world I would release a video of Chinese slaughtering and eating pigs and make every Pakistani see it and be willing to be called petty for doing that. Small price for the effect it could have. Sun Tzu would approve. It is a subversive act designed to cause horror and disgust at the Chinese among their pious friends in Pakistan. Did you believe that my pettiness was innocent in any way?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jan 2011 05:37

TonyMontana wrote: Our friendship with Pakistan is taller than the highest mountain and deeper than the deepest of oceans. Let none dispute it!

Ha! Seems like kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to me!

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 20 Jan 2011 06:32

shiv wrote: The fact that you dislike it is added incentive, petty or not. Pettiness is not restricted to me - your government does it regularly in the form of toothless symbolic acts like stapled visas - but I digress.

Good to see Indians learning from the mistakes of the Chinese by imitating it. So you see something embarrassing and you copy it? And I don't dislike the idea. I'm confused by it. I could swear you're trolling me, because I refuse to believe the learned Shiv-ji honestly believes that by showing everyday Pakistani citizens videos of Chinese eating pigs will change the geo-political climate in South East Asia.

shiv wrote: But the combination of "deep/tall" and unshakeable, unbreakable friendship between a failing country that is going more and more Islamic by literally following the letter of their scriptures and another country that is well on its way to becoming a superpower is too tempting to be ignored.

Do you believe the "People's" part in PRC or the "Communist" part in CCP as well? You know, I know, and everyone else knows what Pakistan is to China. Do you honestly buy into the bullsh!t? Na. I don't believe it. You have to be trolling me.

shiv wrote: It is Chinese weakness (and not Chinese strength) that demands that Pakistan should be their ally. It is my fervent desire to see that alliance become a liability. The oh- so sophisticated Pakistanis who are praising and admiring the Chinese on the internet are a far cry from the 180 million Paki Abduls who would kill you for rearing, slaughtering and eating pigs.

This bit makes me want to believe you're serious. I agree it is a Chinese weakness to use Pakistan. But hey, you can't blame a man for doing what he can with what he has right?

shiv wrote: In an ideal world I would release a video of Chinese slaughtering and eating pigs and make every Pakistani see it and be willing to be called petty for doing that. Small price for the effect it could have. Sun Tzu would approve. It is a subversive act designed to cause horror and disgust at the Chinese among their pious friends in Pakistan. Did you believe that my pettiness was innocent in any way?

I refuse to believe that Pakistanis don't know the Chinese eat pigs. We're one of the first to domesticate the swine.

You have to be trolling me.

amit · Post by **amit** » 20 Jan 2011 06:57

TonyMontana wrote:Our friendship with Pakistan is taller than the highest mountain and deeper than the deepest of oceans. Let none dispute it!

I guess it must work when said in Mandarin, but this kind of imagery will always draw a

when used in English.

Now taller than the highest mountain would mean the top part of the friendship, that is the one above sea level (or above the belt if we were to imagine the friend to be a person) would be bigger than Mount Everest, which comes in at around, if I'm not mistaken, 7-8km.

However the deepest point in the ocean, somewhere in the Pacific is more than 10 km deep so the lower portion of the friendship that is the one below the belt, if I may add, is bigger and hence more important.

But I guess that's par for the course for a "deep penetration" friendship with a w*ore like Pakistan!

Must commend the Chinese - relatively small sized in stature in keeping with the mongoloid stock - for keeping Tall, Fair and Tight Assed (TFTA) Pakis as w*ores!

Only thing is I hope is that the condom that is used is not a fake made in China stuff. We can't have the endangered Communist Panda suffering from syphilis passed on as a token of love by the bious Islamist vanguards! That would be a crying shame, just as the Panda is getting ready to take its rightful place under the Sun. [Note: remember venereal diseases strike at the point that is closest in contact - er you know what I mean. Now look at the global map and see which part of China is in closest contact with the land of the Pak w*ores!]

Uncle Sam and the shivering dhoti-clad, short, dark rice eating Injuns who usually cower in dark places would die of laughter!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jan 2011 07:11

TonyMontana wrote:
I refuse to believe that Pakistanis don't know the Chinese eat pigs. We're one of the first to domesticate the swine.

Indeed - and that is how you have managed to domesticate the Pakis.

Although the Americans got there before you this time.

I find it amusing that you think that my effort to educate Pakistanis on the virtues of pork constitutes my trolling you. I have no idea whether Pakistanis know or do not know if Chinese eat pork. I do know that pork is not available in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan - and not eating pork is a concession that friendly Chinese visitors give (a sort of tribute tax paid by Chinese to Pakistanis) when they visit Pakistan. I also know that the reason why pork is forbidden in Pakistan is not because it does not taste good but because of reasons quoted in a video that I link below for the edification of those who might not know.

Now what harm is there in trying to get Chinese and Pakistani cultures together by informing the people of each country about what the people of the other country love and enjoy so that they may start enjoying the same things in a mass of shared happiness? I mean - the name of China is "Peoples Republic of China". It's about what Chinese people want. What a few elite bourgeois Pakistanis say or do is hardly relevant. The people of Pakistan need to be exposed to the culture of the people of China for true, enduring, all weather friendship. Surely you cannot deny that to two close allies?

After all the Tibetans and Uighurs are learning to enjoy Chinese culture. 1 billion Han can't be wrong. Why not "convert" 180 million pure Muslim Pakistanis to the Han viewpoint?

Video link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pvKAPMnVKo

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 20 Jan 2011 07:23

shiv wrote: I find it amusing that you think that my effort to educate Pakistanis on the virtues of pork constitutes my trolling you. I have no idea whether Pakistanis know or do not know if Chinese eat pork. I do know that pork is not available in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan - and not eating pork is a concession that friendly Chinese visitors give (a sort of tribute tax paid by Chinese to Pakistanis) when they visit Pakistan. I also know that the reason why pork is forbidden in Pakistan is not because it does not taste good but because of reasons quoted in a video that I link below for the edification of those who might not know.

See I'm confused. After reading this bit my reaction is:
[img]oh_my_god_you're_serious._let_me_laugh_harder.jpeg[/img]

shiv wrote: Now what harm is there in trying to get Chinese and Pakistani cultures together by informing the people of each country about what the people of the other country love and enjoy so that they may start enjoying the same things in a mass of shared happiness? I mean - the name of China is "Peoples Republic of China". It's about what Chinese people want. What a few elite bourgeois Pakistanis say or do is hardly relevant. The people of Pakistan need to be exposed to the culture of the people of China for true, enduring, all weather friendship. Surely you cannot deny that to two close allies? After all the Tibetans and Uighurs are learning to enjoy Chinese culture. 1 billion Han can't be wrong. Why not "convert" 180 million pure Muslim Pakistanis to the Han viewpoint?

But this bit is clearly taking the p!ss. So does the Shiv garu honest believe that showing videos of Chinese eating pork in Pakistan will change the relationship between China and Pakistan, or what?

Doesn't matter. I'm out of this thread. I think you're trolling me. And I don't feed trolls.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jan 2011 07:47

TonyMontana wrote: But this bit is clearly taking the p!ss. So does the Shiv garu honest believe that showing videos of Chinese eating pork in Pakistan will change the relationship between China and Pakistan, or what?

Doesn't matter. I'm out of this thread. I think you're trolling me. And I don't feed trolls.

You deserve an answer.

Do I believe that showing videos of Chinese eating pork to pious Islamic Pakistanis will make a difference to China-Pakistan relations?

Well - you are intelligent enough to figure out the answer. The best way to find out what it does is to do it and see what happens. After all, when a friendship goes beyond mere "cordial relations" to being "Taller than the tallest mountain and deeper than the deepest ocean" - an irrelevant thing like religion and dietary preferences should have no effect whatsoever. But if it has an effect, we will find out. And perhaps either the Chinese will adjust and stop eating pork for their friends the Pakistanies, or the Islamic republic of Pakistan will pass a law making pork legal.

Surely here can be no harm from this petty thought? Other than the sheer pettiness?

PrasadZ · Post by **PrasadZ** » 20 Jan 2011 08:31

TonyMontana wrote:Are you telling me that if the street level muslims wants to do Jihad against someone it will be done?

Well, you did mention that China gave nukes to Pakistan because they wanted it

Why not give gifts to "street level muslims" next ?!
Am sure the CCP represents moderate and enlightened "street level Chinese" and the Pak govt has always claimed they represent views of "street level muslims" all over the world, so this would be a natural expression of CCP's good will

TonyMontana wrote:Good to see Indians learning from the mistakes of the Chinese by imitating it

Imitation is, indeed, the best form of flattery. Guess which of these Chinese gifts we will be imitating next

TonyMontana wrote:I agree it is a Chinese weakness to use Pakistan. But hey, you can't blame a man for doing what he can with what he has right?

Then I guess you cannot blame the British for doing what they did to you with what stuff they got from us, can you

Funny how self serving logic can be, when you choose

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 20 Jan 2011 08:36

shiv wrote: an irrelevant thing like religion and dietary preferences should have no effect whatsoever. But if it has an effect, we will find out. And perhaps either the Chinese will adjust and stop eating pork for their friends the Pakistanies, or the Islamic republic of Pakistan will pass a law making pork legal.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Jan 2011 08:46

TonyMontana: Chinese are first to domesticate Swine

Pious Mullah: Pigs are homosexual and repeated consumption of pork change one's genes and make them homos.

Don · Post by **Don** » 20 Jan 2011 08:54

http://www.seeddaily.com/reports/Climat ... a_999.html
Climate change could boost crops in US, China

by Staff Writers
Washington (AFP) Jan 18, 2011
A global population explosion combined with the steady effects of climate change are forecast to create a worldwide food shortage in the next 10 years, but the news isn't all bad for some countries.
The United States, China, Ethiopia and parts of northern Europe are among the select few expected to be able to grow more crops as a result of changes in temperature and rainfall, according to a study released Tuesday.

However, those gains will not be enough to stave off an increase in world starvation and price spikes for food as a result of a shortfall in three of the four main cereal crops, said the report by the Universal Ecological Fund, a non-profit group.

The forecast is based on UN figures about climate change released in 2007, and projects the impact of temperature changes that will leave the planet at least 2.4 degrees Celsius (4.3 Fahrenheit) warmer by 2020.

While there are more recent analyses that make slight allowances for how the Earth may adjust itself, researchers used the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, combined with "the business-as-usual path the world is currently following," said lead author Liliana Hisas.

The analysis describes a scenario in which a population boom packs the world with an additional 890 million people by 2020, for a total of 7.8 billion.

Changes in agriculture wrought by swings in rain and temperature then forge across-the-board deficits in wheat, rice and maize, meaning there will not be enough to feed all those extra mouths.

The result will be more prevalent hunger -- one in five people going hungry, up from the current rate of one in seven -- and food price spikes of up to 20 percent, according to the study.

"At least every other newborn in Africa; one in every four newborns in Asia; and one in every seven newborns in Latin America and the Caribbean would be sentenced to undernourishment and malnutrition," it said.

On the whole, Africa is expected to be the hardest hit. Due to hotter, drier temperatures, nearly two-thirds of arable land on the continent could be lost by 2025, and maize growing could die out completely in some areas, according to the study.

It said grape and olive growing in Mediterranean countries like Italy, Spain and France will suffer due to mounting dryness, as will the vineyards of California -- a 3.9-billion-dollar industry.

For the United States, a major global grain producer, wheat crops are forecast to grow five to 20 percent, while corn crops could falter slightly.

Northern Europe could see wheat yields climb between three and four percent.

Meanwhile, the vast continent of Asia will see drastically different impacts in crop growth and rainfall.

India, the second largest world producer of rice and wheat, could see yields fall 30 percent, the study said.

But not so for China, the world's biggest producer of wheat and rice, which is expected to boost yields up to 20 percent.

The effects of climate change are expected to be harsher for India because of its tropical climate, as opposed to China, which lies in the temperate zone. Growers in Bangladesh and Pakistan could also expect to see declines.

"Currently, 80 percent of global agriculture depends on rain," said Hisas.

Ethiopia was singled out in Africa as a country that could benefit because higher temperatures could combine with rainfall changes to boost the growth of its key crop, coffee. Ethiopia is the world's sixth largest coffee producer.

The United States and China are among those expected to grow more of every main cereal group.

Soybean production is forecast to result in a five percent surplus, but the other three will see deficits across the world due to rising demand: a 14 percent shortfall in wheat, 11 percent for rice and nine percent for maize.

Latin America will see an overall decline in cereal yield of 2.5 to five percent by 2020. Australia's forecast was mixed: significant yield drops in the southwest but moderate increases in the northeast.

The study urged nations to adjust crop timing and move livestock to areas where water availability is improved.

Some dietary habits may have to shift, such as consuming more potatoes, beans and lentils instead of cereal grains and animal proteins.

But the primary change it recommended was reducing harmful pollutants in the atmosphere, or greenhouse gases.

"Reducing GHG emissions is the first and most important step. Efforts so far have been numerous, but unsuccessful," the study said.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jan 2011 09:06

Don wrote:http://www.seeddaily.com/reports/Climat ... a_999.html
Climate change could boost crops in US, China

Some dietary habits may have to shift, such as consuming more potatoes, beans and lentils instead of cereal grains and animal proteins.

But the primary change it recommended was reducing harmful pollutants in the atmosphere, or greenhouse gases.

"Reducing GHG emissions is the first and most important step. Efforts so far have been numerous, but unsuccessful," the study said.

Actually China should not reduce GHG because it will reduce the number of Indians and other pesky critters and improve the chances of Han. And it may force Pakistanies to eat pork.