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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby JE Menon » 11 Jan 2011 21:58

Yes, Hitchens is always on the money. Unfortunately, the poor man has been hit by cancer... Let's hope he pulls through somehow.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby CRamS » 11 Jan 2011 22:12

Christopher Sidor wrote:There is a misconception is west and in minds of some Indians too that somehow peace with India would strengthen the advocates of democracy in Pakistan. Or ending Pakistan's obsession with its rival will be solution to what pakistan has become. It is a belief which does not take into account, Pakistan origins and its reason for existence. Pakistan's entire ruling elite, whether they be military or non-military, has a hold on power because of the so called Indian threat. And asking the Pakistani elite to give up the so called Indian threat, is like asking a person to end the justification for his/her existence.



Its not a misconception, its a deliberate policy. What it boils doen to is the definition of "peace". In common, objective parlance, TSP at peace means going about its business as any normal country would: take care of its citizenry and living as decent neighbors. But TSP does not see itself that way. It sees a manifest destiny, especially the Pakijabis, in ruling the subcontinent given their belief that they are heirs to the "mighty" Moghuls. So, any peaceful arrangement that will render Hindus as the dominat force, is not peace in their definition. As for the west, this definition is fine, because give or take a few cents, they don't see much difference between Hindus & Muslims. So they don't find TSP definition of peace unreasonable because at the end of the day, if their interests reign supreme, they give a flying f%^&k whether it is Hindus or Muslims ruling the subcontinent, and they won't blink an eye-lid if TSP continues its destroy India policy through its pigLeTs; all they want is that the pigLeTs don't go beyond "South Asia" and into the wild west. This is in a nutshell. But one can also argue that even the west is ambivalent on the rise of Hindus because of the trimpuh of a different worldview. But we need not even go that route to explain west's mollycoddling of TSP. Just what I explained above is sufficient for a start.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Christopher Sidor » 12 Jan 2011 13:25

On 6-Jan-2011, Investorsinsight .com posted a blog
The Next Decade: Where We've Been... And Where We're Going

While much of this has to deal with economics, there is a geopolitical angle to
The overriding necessity for American policy in the decade to come is a return to the balanced, global strategy that the United States learned from the example of ancient Rome and from the Britain of a hundred years ago. These old-school imperialists didn’t rule by main force. Instead, they maintained their dominance by setting regional players against each other and keeping these players in opposition to others who might also instigate resistance. They maintained the balance of power, using these opposing forces to cancel each other out while securing the broader interests of the empire. They also kept their client states bound together by economic interest and diplomacy, which is not to say the routine courtesies between nations but the subtle manipulation that causes neighbors and fellow clients to distrust each other more than they distrust the imperial powers: direct intervention relying on the empire’s own troops was a distant, last resort.

Divide and rule, the old British adage applied on a global scale. Nothing strange over here. India practices this in Nepal, when it set up the mahadeshis against the Neapli Maoist so as to prevent the threat to its heartland from PLA.

Owing largely to recent U.S. policy, those balances are unstable or no longer exist. The Israelis are no longer constrained by their neighbors and are now trying to create a new reality on the ground. The Pakistanis have been badly weakened by the war in Afghanistan, and they are no longer an effective counterbalance to India. And, most important, the Iraqi state has collapsed, leaving the Iranians as the most powerful military force in the Persian Gulf area.
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As I argue in the chapters that follow, the United States must quietly distance itself from Israel. It must strengthen (or at least put an end to weakening) Pakistan.

Again we see balance India with Pakistan. We have to observe that it is not only Chinese which harbor the dream of trying to box India using Pakistan.

What we have to guard against over here is the American game plan of using us as cannon fodder against the Chinese. Just as we were used in the WWII to halt the nazi advance in Northern Africa or our man power was used to drive the japanense away from South-East Asia or going back even more further, how our Sikh and other soldiers were used in East Asia and Iran to serve the Imperial design of London.

James Norrignton of the Pirates of Caribbean said the following to Elizabeth
"Our destinies may have been intertwined, but never joined."
This should be our aim for a US-India Relationship.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby svinayak » 12 Jan 2011 20:55

Christopher Sidor wrote: the subtle manipulation that causes neighbors and fellow clients to distrust each other more than they distrust the imperial powers: direct intervention relying on the empire’s own troops was a distant, last resort.

This distrust is created by using the media and social engineering. Indians allowed that to be done in the sub continent by not building its own connection to the neighborhood. This is the historic connection to all the neighborhood and also called as historic capitol. Indian leadership allowed itself to be manipulated by the western powers during the cold war.


The Pakistanis have been badly weakened by the war in Afghanistan, and they are no longer an effective counterbalance to India.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2011 21:01

When it comes to internal matters of India some of us bat for the Lefties and the same people bat for US when it comes to India and the outside world. :(

Is this the new Left/Liberal?

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby svinayak » 12 Jan 2011 21:03

ramana wrote:When it comes to internal matters of India some of us bat for the Lefties and the same people bat for US when it comes to India and the outside world. :(

Is this the new Left/Liberal?

I had posted this in the other thread.
THis is the new left after 1970s when US funded the leftist worldwide to get support.
Indian leftist and assorted groups are still under the spell.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby RamaY » 12 Jan 2011 21:08

RajeshA wrote:
CRamS wrote:Anyone willing to bet what TSP's answer will be to this "long-term strategy for the region"? :-).


The best strategy for the region is of course all Pakistanis are given U.S. Citizenship and they migrate to USA, and they leave the lands for the Yindoos!

They should use the Pakistanis' uncanny ability to formulate long-term strategies for a region to the benefit of America.


Not a bad idea actually. EU/US/JP like nations can use Paki breeding abilities to address their declining demographics issue.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby SaiK » 12 Jan 2011 21:09

It could be a liberal playing it safe.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2011 21:17

ramana wrote:When it comes to internal matters of India some of us bat for the Lefties and the same people bat for US when it comes to India and the outside world. :(

Is this the new Left/Liberal?


To reiterate Gautam Sen's excellent article

viewtopic.php?p=965771#p965771


The trouble with Third World leftists - The Indian Express

Title : The trouble with Third World leftistsAuthor : Gautam Sen
Publication : The Indian Express
Date : March 12, 1997

The failure of Third World elites to understand the West is partly due to what can be described as sample bias, although private career interests are important as well. Their exposure to the West is primarily through its universities which are relatively liberal though largely powerless. And exposure to the Left in countries like the UK is especially consequential because, while their radical views have little impact on their own societies, they successfully brainwash Third World elites who wield power at home.

Academics like Maurice Dobb and Harold Laski who decisively perverted the world-view of a whole generation of Indians were cranks, irrelevant to the governing elites of Britain. But even now Indians recall these names with misguided awe.

The principal damage inflicted by such Western duplicity is to encourage Third World intellectuals to oppose their domestic ruling order implacably, in the name of the class struggle, even if it fatally undermines the state apparatus. The dire necessity of a strong state, domestic social cohesion and military prowess are thus opposed by this strata of Third World society.The other lamentable deficiency in their education is the obsession with the idea of progress. The consequence is the belief that the world is gradually becoming a better place and Western societies and their politicians today are better than their ruthless predecessors. There is no evidence for sustaining this conviction, but it aids old-fashioned re-conquest of the Third World.

The Left in the UK is completely united with its government in the murderous project in Iraq. One Israeli diplomat has remarked that Saddam Hussein was always his country's preferred choice because he was the only politician capable of preventing Iraq from allying with either Syria and/or Iran - "he represents equilibrium", he asserted. According to him, the US and its allies had always supported Saddam and it was only his nuclear ambitions that prompted intervention.

The allure of international seminars as well as the fear of
traditional bases of Third World protest, inevitably religious,
reinforces the covert and, increasingly, public support of Third World Leftists for Western imperialism.
The backing of the international Left and its Third World allies for the mass murder taking place in Algeria is a case in point. India's secular Left wing defenders of Islam quickly adopt the militant anti-Islamic rhetoric of their Western sponsors as soon as they land at the airport!

Given the enduring influence of colonial education, only prolonged and deep estrangement from the dominant Western intellectual perspective allows one to see things differently. China's elites, unlike India's, are relatively immune, because they do not understand English and cannot therefore absorb this virus as a matter of course.

It is noteworthy that the two societies which gave authentic
verdict to significant recent events are theocracies that value their intellectual autonomy. Iran was perturbed by the destruction of Iraq during the Gulf War despite Iraq's bloody aggression against it earlier. And Israel lodged the solitary protest against the mass murder of Bosnia's Muslims. The ignorant and sycophantic Indians sent a parliamentary delegation to Belgrade to commiserate with Slobodan Milosevic, the architect of genocide in Bosnia.

A momentous military and economic re-conquest is therefore
occurring without the necessary response on a war-footing from the elites of countries like India.
Western powers are penetrating and occupying the Third World through investment and trade, helped powerfully by the control of international credit and treaties like the World Trade Organisation as well as the transmission of ideas and sources of individual reward. The military dimension of this policy has already been demonstrated in Iraq, with terrible consequences for its civilian population. India, Iran and North Korea are now in the firing line.

(The writer is a lecturer in the politics of the world economy at the London School of Economics)


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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby svinayak » 12 Jan 2011 21:46

ramana wrote: When it comes to internal matters of India some of us bat for the Lefties and the same people bat for US when it comes to India and the outside world. :(

Is this the new Left/Liberal?[

To reiterate Gautam Sen's excellent article

viewtopic.php?p=965771#p965771


The trouble with Third World leftists - The Indian Express

Title : The trouble with Third World leftistsAuthor : Gautam Sen
Publication : The Indian Express
Date : March 12, 1997

The failure of Third World elites to understand the West is partly due to what can be described as sample bias, although private career interests are important as well. Their exposure to the West is primarily through its universities which are relatively liberal though largely powerless. And exposure to the Left in countries like the UK is especially consequential because, while their radical views have little impact on their own societies, they successfully brainwash Third World elites who wield power at home.

Academics like Maurice Dobb and Harold Laski who decisively perverted the world-view of a whole generation of Indians were cranks, irrelevant to the governing elites of Britain. But even now Indians recall these names with misguided awe.

The principal damage inflicted by such Western duplicity is to encourage Third World intellectuals to oppose their domestic ruling order implacably, in the name of the class struggle, even if it fatally undermines the state apparatus. The dire necessity of a strong state, domestic social cohesion and military prowess are thus opposed by this strata of Third World society.The other lamentable deficiency in their education is the obsession with the idea of progress. The consequence is the belief that the world is gradually becoming a better place and Western societies and their politicians today are better than their ruthless predecessors. There is no evidence for sustaining this conviction, but it aids old-fashioned re-conquest of the Third World.



viewtopic.php?p=1008691#p1008691

This exactly what was being discussed.
The leftist are not listening and they are only shouting CT! CT !

They have moved this Indian leftist group to support the EJ groups in the west. This has been quite successful.
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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2011 21:50

No name calling. Please self-edit.

Thanks for understanding.
ramana

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby svinayak » 14 Jan 2011 00:29

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/01/13/foreman.arizona/

dwmgap
It's amazing, Even individuals that Know netter: the US is a violent Nation. The number of murders comitted using handguns exceeds 15,000 per year. This is the Population of a Small city - everything year! The US is fighting all over the World but fears to take on the NRA? How many Americans are affected by the failure of curbing the lobbyists and the weapons Industry while blaming other countries for their ways of trying to maintain civil peace - like Russia that did not enjoy a long periode of stable political system. Please compare the numbers of murders of all of the EU with the ones in the US. And there is nö Capital punishment. less

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Prem » 14 Jan 2011 00:56

When it comes to internal matters of India some of us bat for the To reiterate Gautam Sen's excellent article
viewtopic.php?p=965771#p965771
The dire necessity of a strong state, domestic social cohesion and military prowess are thus opposed by this strata of Third World society.


This domestic cohesion and military prowess are both being damaged with impunity by current crop of PSers in India. EJ, Commie, Congressi and Jihadi all agree on keeping India away from succesfully accumulating these 2 major ingredients of nation building.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby svinayak » 14 Jan 2011 01:12

Prem wrote:
This domestic cohesion and military prowess are both being damaged with impunity by current crop of PSers in India. EJ, Commie, Congressi and Jihadi all agree on keeping India away from succesfully accumulating these 2 major ingredients of nation building.

The main purpose of the psec groups is only to reduce the cohesion

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby CRamS » 16 Jan 2011 08:34

I was speculating a while back that the computer worm, Stuxnet, that hit Iran could be a US and/or Israeli opertation. It now appears to be the case according to this NYT report

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/world ... uxnet.html

I also speculated that the recent GSLV failures in India could be due to US sabotage. From the above report:


The worm hit primarily inside Iran, Symantec reported, but also in time appeared in India, Indonesia and other countries.



I have a question for the cyber-security gurus here:

1) From the above report, it appears to me that human in the loop is key, i.e, for those computers not reachable via the public Internet, somebody has to go and inject that worm into an Intranet system through a USB drive or something else. Yes/No?

2) Anyone knows if ISRO or BARC or any of India's sensitive installations use the Siemens PCS-7 control system software. This Stuxnet seems to be designed to specifically target PCS-7, and that too of a particular configuration according to the above report.
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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby joshvajohn » 16 Jan 2011 13:24

US sees 'tremendous upside' in ties with India
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... ia/421772/

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby putnanja » 20 Jan 2011 06:20

Alabama Governor: Only Christians are my Brothers

...
''Now I will have to say that, if we don't have the same daddy, we're not brothers and sisters," he continued. "So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother."
...
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Ala. governor apologizes for remarks on Christians

...
"If anyone from other religions felt disenfranchised by the language, I want to say I am sorry. I am sorry if I offended anyone in any way," he told reporters Wednesday after meeting with leaders of other faiths in his new office.
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Candy Gunther Brown, an associate professor of religious studies at Indiana University in Bloomington, said Bentley was making a "theological statement" to a church crowd. She called Bentley's statements a "classic altar call" from an evangelical.

"He's saying I want to be your brother. That's an invitation. But basically the way it's heard is as an exclusionary statement," said Brown, who studies evangelical Christian literature.


...
...

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby sunnyP » 20 Jan 2011 14:26

Joe Lieberman to retire from US Senate next year

Former US vice presidential candidate Senator Joe Lieberman has announced he is retiring next year.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12232316

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby JE Menon » 20 Jan 2011 19:34

>>He's saying I want to be your brother. That's an invitation.

To his Islamic brothers that would be Daawa... as in Jamaat ud Daawa

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Hari Seldon » 20 Jan 2011 19:41

Aha. The alabumma guv's pistine heartaches need to be better disseminated amongst us unwashed SDREs only. So much for 'it is self-evident that all men are created equal...'. Blah blah.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Haresh » 20 Jan 2011 19:43

Hosting Illegal Aliens From a Terrorist Haven :-?

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/01/20/prot ... ist-haven/

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Anindya » 20 Jan 2011 20:42

Interesting report from NDTV - perhaps the main reason for all 5 UNSC veto powers visiting India in short succession - perhaps these discussions are still ongoing....

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/india-and-pakistan-agreed-on-self-governance-for-kashmir-kasuri/188583
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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 20 Jan 2011 20:46

The source is Kasuri, the GOI is silent on the report. It wont fly regardless of what the Khans and the TSP pushes it.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 20 Jan 2011 20:53

With UPA II not ruled out. The Govt is essentially accountable only to INC first family. Their silence is that of "munam ardha angeekaram!"

Not the silence of the furious.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Anindya » 20 Jan 2011 20:54

But, why would US, Canadian officials travel to Kashmir to meet the Hurriyat...

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby munna » 20 Jan 2011 20:57

So finally the dogs are barking. I guess a gentle reminder from across the border to the government to keep its side of the deal :twisted:

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby CRamS » 20 Jan 2011 21:57

Anindya wrote:Interesting report from NDTV - perhaps the main reason for all 5 UNSC veto powers visiting India in short succession - perhaps these discussions are still ongoing....

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/india-and-pakistan-agreed-on-self-governance-for-kashmir-kasuri/188583


Bakara didn't press him on "joint mechanism". Thats the key to the sell out. Self governance BS is there even now. What TSP wants is "joint mechanism" to extend to the valley. There is no way TSP would have agreed to the "deal" without this.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby abhishek_sharma » 21 Jan 2011 12:01

The Gorbachev Predicament

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/node/67183

Barack Obama has been compared to many past U.S. presidents. But an intriguing parallel has been overlooked -- that between Obama and Mikhail Gorbachev.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Ambar » 21 Jan 2011 16:03

abhishek_sharma wrote:The Gorbachev Predicament

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/node/67183

Barack Obama has been compared to many past U.S. presidents. But an intriguing parallel has been overlooked -- that between Obama and Mikhail Gorbachev.


That would make him a weak puppet,no ?

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby ManjaM » 21 Jan 2011 16:15

putnanja wrote:Alabama Governor: Only Christians are my Brothers

...
''Now I will have to say that, if we don't have the same daddy, we're not brothers and sisters," he continued. "So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother."
...
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Ala. governor apologizes for remarks on Christians

...
"If anyone from other religions felt disenfranchised by the language, I want to say I am sorry. I am sorry if I offended anyone in any way," he told reporters Wednesday after meeting with leaders of other faiths in his new office.
...
...
Candy Gunther Brown, an associate professor of religious studies at Indiana University in Bloomington, said Bentley was making a "theological statement" to a church crowd. She called Bentley's statements a "classic altar call" from an evangelical.

"He's saying I want to be your brother. That's an invitation. But basically the way it's heard is as an exclusionary statement," said Brown, who studies evangelical Christian literature.


...
...


What it is , is a call to convert to Christianity. This guy really is running the guantlet with the first amendment here.
Yeehaw, the loony phcuking train in Alabama rolls on.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Arjun » 21 Jan 2011 16:30

putnanja wrote:Alabama Governor: Only Christians are my Brothers

...
''Now I will have to say that, if we don't have the same daddy, we're not brothers and sisters," he continued. "So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother."
...

In the spirit of reciprocity in relations between our two great democracies - India should refuse Mr Bentley a visa if and when he feels the urge to visit this country, on grounds of violating 'religious freedom'.... :wink:

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby JE Menon » 22 Jan 2011 11:37

>What it is , is a call to convert

Indeed, that is why I said his Islamic brothers would refer to it as "Daawa" - in short the philsophical underpinnings of the Alabama lunatix statement is not much different from those that support Jamaat ud Daawa.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Manny » 22 Jan 2011 23:46

Just like Communism and Fascism is unAmerican, Those evangelical values are fundamentally against Indian Dharmic Values... represented by the Dharma chakra in India's flag. Pluralism that Jesus, Mohammad, Krishna are different name for the one God of civic harmony is being assaulted by these hate groups.

There ought to be a law in India to outrightly ban this like AQ.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby GuruPrabhu » 23 Jan 2011 01:25

Manny wrote:There ought to be a law in India to outrightly ban this like AQ.


Nah. Banning would make us into mullahs. There is nothing wrong in invitations. Let them invite.

I hereby invite Aish Rai to come give me a massage. Should I be banned for that? Isn't a spurned invitation enough loss of H&D?

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby GuruPrabhu » 23 Jan 2011 01:47

JE Menon wrote: Indeed, that is why I said his Islamic brothers would refer to it as "Daawa" - in short the philsophical underpinnings of the Alabama lunatix statement is not much different from those that support Jamaat ud Daawa.


yup, the statement is no different. But here is the real difference:

Candy Gunther Brown, an associate professor of religious studies at Indiana University in Bloomington, said Bentley was making a "theological statement" to a church crowd. She called Bentley's statements a "classic altar call" from an evangelical.


See, a supporting statement provided by an acamedic like Candy-ji of Bloomington adds credibility to Governor Sahab.

A fatwa from the faculty of Binori Madarsa subtracts credibility from Hafeez Saeed types. But only in the western world. Packee society swallows it just like yahoos in Al-Abama rally behind Candy-ji.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Guddu » 23 Jan 2011 04:20

CRamS wrote:I was speculating a while back that the computer worm, Stuxnet, that hit Iran could be a US and/or Israeli opertation. It now appears to be the case according to this NYT report

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/world ... uxnet.html

I also speculated that the recent GSLV failures in India could be due to US sabotage. From the above report:


The worm hit primarily inside Iran, Symantec reported, but also in time appeared in India, Indonesia and other countries.



I have a question for the cyber-security gurus here:

1) From the above report, it appears to me that human in the loop is key, i.e, for those computers not reachable via the public Internet, somebody has to go and inject that worm into an Intranet system through a USB drive or something else. Yes/No?

2) Anyone knows if ISRO or BARC or any of India's sensitive installations use the Siemens PCS-7 control system software. This Stuxnet seems to be designed to specifically target PCS-7, and that too of a particular configuration according to the above report.


From what I have read, Stuxnet was loaded into Iranian computers via USB sticks that were lying around. The worm is supposedly specific to PCS-7 systems that control centrifuges. The risks of making a generic worm, could be significant to the US itself, which has a large number of Siemens systems for various uses.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby krisna » 23 Jan 2011 05:12

New Yorker's Hersh sparks anger, puzzlement with remarks on military 'crusaders'
Legendary journalist Seymour Hersh has uncovered some sinister conspiracies during his long career, but his latest revelation is drawing some puzzled reactions and angry denunciations. In a speech this week in Doha, Qatar, Hersh advanced the notion that U.S. military forces are directed and dominated by Christian fundamentalist "crusaders" bent on changing "mosques into cathedrals."

Seymour Hersh unleashed
"Just when we needed an angry black man," he began, his arm perched jauntily on the podium, "we didn't get one."

He also charged that U.S. foreign policy had been hijacked by a cabal of neoconservative "crusaders" in the former vice president's office and now in the special operations community.

He then alleged that Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who headed JSOC before briefly becoming the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, and his successor, Vice Adm. William McRaven, as well as many within JSOC, "are all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta." Hersh may have been referring to the Sovereign Order of Malta, a Roman Catholic organization commited to "defence of the Faith and assistance to the poor and the suffering," according to its website.

"Many of them are members of Opus Dei," Hersh continued. "They do see what they're doing -- and this is not an atypical attitude among some military -- it's a crusade, literally. They see themselves as the protectors of the Christians. They're protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century. And this is their function."

"They have little insignias, these coins they pass among each other, which are crusader coins," he continued. "They have insignia that reflect the whole notion that this is a culture war. … Right now, there’s a tremendous, tremendous amount of anti-Muslim feeling in the military community."

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Postby ramana » 23 Jan 2011 05:49

Krisna, Have you read Jarhead?

Hersh is right. At the very outset BRF had speculated on this aspect of chaplains reading the gospel before patrols etc. OBL had claimed it was Crusade.


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