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Lalmohan wrote:rajesh - i don't make the distinction you illustrate either, it is illogical to me

i hold all invaders equally culpable, and yet i know that the wheels of history turn and interests and priorities change. without forgiving or forgetting, we can move on with doing what is right for the present dangers. i dont agree with your view that emotion must guide us. emotion only clouds judgement
The danger of generalizations is that one sets up oneself to doing nothing. One starts arguing, that if I can't do anything against one party who did me wrong, or for that matter, the party is not worth the retribution, then I have to adopt that stance towards all other parties as well, who did wrong on me. I see that as a logical pitfall.

If some stray dog bites you and you think, biting a flea-infested dog back is not worth it, as that would only demean you, and you start thinking that then such deference must extend to some gentleman as well who comes around and punches you in the face, because he did not like the garlic odor from your mouth, then something is amiss.

By not demanding compensation, we are allowing the impression to take hold that the gentleman was right. Compensation is the only means through which the wrong-doer accepts his guilt in earnest.
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RajeshA wrote:^^^

I guess, the only thing that would satisfy people like me, is if Britain is merged into India as a state of the Indian Union, the Islamists are thrown out, and the monarchy is done away with. :twisted:
And We can forgive the rest of the transgressions post 47!
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somnath wrote:^^^ Well, just as a perspective, UK's debt-to-GDP ratio is about 60%..India's is about 80%+ (depending on what you include and what you dont)...
Re the bolded part, ain't that trivially true?
BTW, I'm all into perspectives only, rooted in pro-India-ness and nothing else. More perspectives the merrier. Here's an example challenging that 60% figure:
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Let’s start first by looking back to 2008 to get an idea of where Canada, Britain and the US stood as the recession started.

How indebted were they? The US debt stood at 75% to GDP, Canada at 63% and Britain at 47%. However, Britain’s debt of £697.5B (C$1232B) in 2008 was a steep climb since 2002, when it stood at just 30% of GDP. Its April 22, 2009 budget is forecasting that debt will rise to 75% of GDP by 2013. Not at all good.

If this isn’t bad enough, though, it gets worse. Many analysts point out that Britain’s official government debt figures exclude certain liabilities – for example, the government’s pension commitment to its employees and to citizens, its bail out of the banks which, though the loans may be paid back, they may not, and so on.

Britain’s Centre for Policy Studies argues that the real national debt in Britain is already £1,340B (C$2,370) and now stands at 103.5% of GDP. :eek:

But this pales into insignificance once we turn to the US. As of April 7, 2009, the total U.S. federal debt was US$11T (C$13T) – or about US$36,676 for each man, woman and child. After Obama’s budget is passed, the total debt will rise to US$15T, or 75% of estimated GDP by 2013, assuming both an economic recovery and significant growth from 2010. But, like Britain, the US also has unfunded liabilities for health care, pensions and its continued bailouts. As of the beginning of April, once these are added to accepted national debt, the total indebtedness of the US is US$53T (C$63T Canadian), or 122% of GDP – very not good. Most of the official debt is held by China and Japan.
Hence, I fully agree that "depending on what you include and what you dont", debt/GDP figs vary wildly only.
the reason why India can live with it is because of faster growth and favourable demographics, otherwise India's public debt levels are quite close to Greece!
Like shiv saar says, that's like saying 'If my aunt had a dikk, she'd be my uncle'.
And yes, liabilities are not costs - if you will, the cost of servicing the liabilities is...
Agreed. And what happens when you borrow to service your debts sir?
Poor Niall Ferguson has gone blue in the face screaming that a 100% debt/GDP is ominous because debt service costs jump to where military maintenance becomes problematic. ANyways, Ken Rogoff shows, empirically, that a 90% debt/GDP correlates strongly with slow-to-no growth scenarios only.
On household debt, UK isnt nearly as badly off as the US...bulk of the houehold debt is mortgages, which would be par for any country that has gone through the cycles - Indian households too would have fairly high debt levels as we gradate to middle income status...
We Indians are SDREs only. What better can be expected of poor turd world nations, eh?
About injustices et al, well, I posted above - the revenge is already underway in multiple ways...If every past "sinner" is to be socially shunned, countries would soon run out of interlocutors!
Oh, certainly. I am with you on that one. I continue to say that Indians must be open to doing business with the Brits as long as it is to mutual or at least our benefit. But never forget, forgive or fall for the 'we're jolly good fellas' shtick. The brits were never our friends. And their crimes against our people remain under-reported and glossed over. Only. There should be zero misplaced goodwill for Ukstan among Indians. Is that too much to ask for?
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Hariji,

The public debt of UK as stated by the Public Debt Office..http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=206
(would be about 58% of GDP)...

BTW, I wasnt including things like pension and healthcare in my "depends on what you include" axiom...In India's case, the govt shifts large chunks of its liabilities wholesale out of the budget - the oil subsidy for example, doesnt hapen in any civilised country! Pensions et al, sir, we havent even started counting what those liabilities are - hopefully our demographics will pull us through..
Hari Seldon wrote:Poor Niall Ferguson has gone blue in the face screaming that a 100% debt/GDP is ominous because debt service costs jump to where military maintenance becomes problematic. ANyways, Ken Rogoff shows, empirically, that a 90% debt/GDP correlates strongly with slow-to-no growth scenarios only.
Well, typically that is a gora economist/fund manager view...India has lived with close-to-100% debt-to-GDP for mny years..the US has been for many years as well (if one takes "all that needs to be included")...
Hari Seldon wrote:There should be zero misplaced goodwill for Ukstan among Indians. Is that too much to ask for?
Well, the track record of the Brits as colonial powers is mixed - they were surely a whole lot better than the Dutch in East Asia, or the French in Africa, or the Japs in China/Korea! Even the best of us, Gandhi, Tagore, recognised the benefits of Britain and (some of) its ideas..No harm acknoedging those and moving on with our lives...The Brits anyways fall over each other urry favour with India, so ny vicariou pleasure of vengeance is being received in reasonable amounts!
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somnath wrote:
Well, the track record of the Brits as colonial powers is mixed - they were surely a whole lot better than the Dutch in East Asia, or the French in Africa, or the Japs in China/Korea! Even the best of us, Gandhi, Tagore, recognised the benefits of Britain and (some of) its ideas..No harm acknoedging those and moving on with our lives...
Is it me or does this sound like a perfect example of Stockholm syndrome?
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somnath wrote:
Well, the track record of the Brits as colonial powers is mixed - they were surely a whole lot better than the Dutch in East Asia, or the French in Africa, or the Japs in China/Korea! Even the best of us, Gandhi, Tagore, recognised the benefits of Britain and (some of) its ideas..No harm acknoedging those and moving on with our lives...
So gandhi, sardar, subhash, JLN, Tilak were fools haan?

Why did tagore return the knighthood?

(i feel like vomiting)

do you also acknowledge jalianwala massacre? and killing of 7,00,000 odd brethrens? haan?
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Murugan wrote:do you also acknowledge jalianwala massacre? and killing of 7,00,000 odd brethrens? haan
7 lac! :( But yes, long before Jallianwala, Dadabhai Naoroji had chronicled the "Unbritish rule" of India..That is why so many of our "best" fought them in their own ways...

But if you read (or read of) Gandhi, Tagore you will find that they didnt have any of the "lets humiliate them" kind of thought processes...In any case, as I said our vengeance is well and truly in progress - you just got to see around you...

Edited the smiley..
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Matter of smile?

Total 7,32,000 brethrens were killed by british durign their rule directly and many during the gora made famines. Acknowledge? "Best" are not acknowledged?

Who is asking about humiliation? and fleeing a 'jewel in the crown' country in the dark of middle of the night is not a bigger humiliation?

Here we are talking about acknowledging good things and move on? why gandhi, sardar, tilak, bose did not acknowedge and moved on peacefully?

And returning the knighthood by tagore is not a humiliation of king emperor?
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Murugan wrote:Matter of smile
Boss, pressed the wrong smiley button - the number you quote is waay below if you read Madhushree Mukherjee's new book on Churcill!
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I would lay claim to Islay...and all the distilleries there! Incidentally,Singha,have you tried Amrut's Fusion? An absolute revelation.I couldn't attend a special tasting there unfortunately,but a friend did.The 5 expressions are great.Fusin was ranked by Jim Murray as the world's 3rd best.

Seriously,if one wants true revenge,then the Persian invaders who sacked Delhi (stole the Peacock throne et al) where the blood ran several ft. deep and the city was abandoned for a century,are the ones whom one should really go after. But then they are dead too! So whom do you really go after? One cannot visit revenge upon the perpetrator's descendants several generations later .It is meaningless and will then resemble a mafia blood-feud that lasts for so long that eventually no one remembers the original insult!

There is case for the return of antiquities and some enlightened states have begun to do so.However,some of our treasures are far better off in foreign museums which care for them and protect them so well,unlike most museums in India which are pathetic.The other day,a paper had pics of ancient valuable temple relics left lying on the roadside outside its premises! Until there is a sea change in caring for our priceless heritage,there is little point in getting our treasures returned only to stash them in bank vaults where years later one finds that the original has been replaced by a fake (as in the case of a solid gold football trophy presented by a nawab)! How much of India's treasures locked away from the public eye in govt. vaults are still there?
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During the British Raj, India experienced some of the worst famines ever recorded, including the Great Famine of 1876–78, in which 6.1 million to 10.3 million people died[40] and the Indian famine of 1899–1900, in which 1.25 to 10 million people died.[40] Recent research, including work by Mike Davis and Amartya Sen,[41] attribute most of the effects of these famines to British policy in India.

Having been criticised for the badly bungled relief effort during the Orissa famine of 1866,[42] British authorities began to discuss famine policy soon afterwards, and, in early 1868, Sir William Muir, Lieutenant-Governor of Agra Province, issued a famous order stating that:[43]

"...every District officer would be held personally responsible that no deaths occurred from starvation which could have been avoided by any exertion or arrangement on his part or that of his subordinates."

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Now who would like to acknowledge good things of brutish and move on? hain?
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Murugan wrote:
Total 7,32,000 brethrens were killed by british durign their rule directly and many during the gora made famines. Acknowledge? "Best" are not acknowledged?

Who is asking about humiliation? and fleeing a 'jewel in the crown' country in the dark of middle of the night is not a bigger humiliation?

Here we are talking about acknowledging good things and move on? why gandhi, sardar, tilak, bose did not acknowedge and moved on peacefully?
Muruganji, beyond just killing Indians wantonly, the brits were directly responsible for ushering in depravation and destitution to the land. They had even stripped the population of minimum human dignity. The spiteful nature, with which they operated/continue to operate is cause for concern for all right thinking people. The mischief of the perfidious albinos are well documented. The disgust and the contempt that they deserve, is beyond words. The low lives continue to do the same. Check swami vivekananda had the right idea about them.

A fool and his money are parted soon. An ignorant, pompous fool with magnanimity is nothing but hollow. Magnanimity will come at a time of choosing by Indians. Forgiveness, magnanimity are not something that is granted on demand or because few Indians think that it is time to move on. Those things are reserved for truly repentant people, who have turned a new leaf. Not to parent of pak whore, who would change colour like chameleon. Can a leopard change its spots? Perfidy is the lifeblood and better watch it carefully with double the scrutiny than normal.
One only needs to look at BBC programmes even of scientific nature, where they talk about prehistoric millenia, where they causually introduce pakistan 50 million years ago to notate a location in indian subcontinent. (yawn, yawn, we know only people can relate to today's geography).
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It is easy for some to break ice and open biryani packets, share cuban cigars with pakis even before the blood of victims were dry in Mumbai terrorist attacks. But for many, the tragedy reverberates for long time, and that time is spent in understanding, contemplation to have better future course of actions. For some, truly the tragedy is a hole that can never be filled, but take time to heal. The healing process takes time. It will be rude to chide them to drop it and shorten their mourning, when they can be opening biryani packets.

That's easy for oxford educated people to do. But it is important to remember not many Indians go to oxford, most of them barely hear about it. All but few of them experience the after effects of the devastating brits saga. Hurrying them to share cuban cigar is missing the point.
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Yes, i also thought that we can move on only if we really forgive them after a genuine repentence.
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Somnath-

Well, the track record of the Brits as colonial powers is mixed - they were surely a whole lot better than the Dutch in East Asia, or the French in Africa, or the Japs in China/Korea! Even the best of us, Gandhi, Tagore, recognised the benefits of Britain and (some of) its ideas..No harm acknoedging those and moving on with our lives...The Brits anyways fall over each other urry favour with India, so ny vicariou pleasure of vengeance is being received in reasonable amounts!
My neighbour's dog turned mad and bit me all over. But it was surely a better experience than getting trampled by a mad elephant as happened to my poor fourth cousin twice removed . Even my most respectable Uncle had said that dogs are nice which I should acknowledge and move on... But I receive justice and vicarious pleasure out of my knowledge that dogs beg for their bones
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i would support a call for a 'truth and reconciliation council' of british imperial war crimes, and even for compensation. however for a variety of reasons it is not going to come - not least being that too much time has passed since the events. we can maintain a moral demand for these things, but musnt hold ourselves hostage to its outcome
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UK and India to augment mutual investments
http://www.topnews.in/uk-and-india-augm ... ts-2306298
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From UKstan:Radical British cleric calls Queen a 'disgusting woman'
Radical cleric Shaykh Asrar Rashid has angered Britons by branding Queen Elizabeth II a 'disgusting woman' because she knighted Salman Rushdie
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Britain must learn to decline gracefully
sun is setting down on ukstan and eirope.
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Evil Indians at it again.
How dare you defend yourselves???

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... mment-fold :evil:
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^ this serves as an eye-opener to the gungadin singing praises about bartaniya and saying forget the past

well gungadin, the rich ruling english class are still the same people who previously invaded India first with their trade policy[captain hawkins begging for trade permits] while at the same time fomenting trouble in weak kingdoms using doctrine of lapse and divide & rule policy. Same continues today with trying to sabotage improving relations between India and Bangladesh.

more such writings will appear, just wait and see.
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Critics warn of major impact of World Service cuts
As well closing five of its 32 language services, the World Service will end radio programming in seven languages, including Russian, Mandarin Chinese and Ukrainian, and stop short-wave transmission of six more, including Hindi and Swahili.
The director of BBC Global News, Peter Horrocks, said the cuts had been forced on the BBC by the reduction in its grant from the Foreign Office, but it had tried to ensure that the most important services were being preserved.
It is awful for BBC World Service listeners, because they won't have access to the programmes, and awful for British foreign policy because they're now weakening substantially one of the most important elements of international cultural diplomacy," he said.
He told Mr Hague: "You are doing in part what no dictator has ever achieved - silencing the voice of the BBC, the voice of Britain, the voice of democracy, the voice of balanced journalism at a time when it is more than ever needed."
He is reading the news of arap world. :rotfl:
The National Union of Journalists says this will take the World Service's global audience below that of Voice of America and other broadcasters funded by the US government, and that in turn is bound to reduce the influence of the BBC - and Britain.
Other than bollywood and Indian companies and individual Indians, is there any govt service which is used to do this cultural diplomacy!!.
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Ajatshatru wrote:According to Mr. Dean Nelson still, perhaps, living in the past (Brit Raj i.e. cuckoo's world), the primary motive of Tesco and Waitrose going to India may not be to make profits but to help 'India to solve country's food problems'. :roll:
Thats a party line...Used for all foreign investment pitches..

though FDI in retail is a complicated area...It isnt clear though on what the exact benefits of FDI in retail are:

It cant be capital..The sort of Indian players in retail today (Reliance, Bharti, Future group) - they arent surely short of capital..It cant be the "backend" - the backend infrastructure of logistics, cold chains etc is already open to FDI, only the frontend isnt..It can be however argued that once people set up frontends they become more enthu about bringing the best practices across..

It MAY be procurement strategies - and there are benefits on that front...Though a lot of the inefficiencies there are related to state regulations, and some of them are changing...

The entire agri sector has been crying out for reforms, but whether FDI in retail is a solution is far from clear...A Planning Commission study a couple of years back on the subject threw up ambiguous results...I would reather prefer the reforms on the sector regulations (mostly state govt) to go through first, that is what is the main culprit..
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somnath wrote: The entire agri sector has been crying out for reforms, but whether FDI in retail is a solution is far from clear...A Planning Commission study a couple of years back on the subject threw up ambiguous results...I would reather prefer the reforms on the sector regulations (mostly state govt) to go through first, that is what is the main culprit..
Good points.

India has to reform the agri-sector bottom up given the size of population depends on it. It must start with land ownership, agri-practices, seeds and cultivation technology, eco-friendly agriculture, agri-insurance, and so on...
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The idea is that the big retailers will invest in their supply chain, going to the extent of teaching farmers how to improve productivity. Similar to what Pepsi had to do to be able to make potato chips in India.
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vera_k wrote:The idea is that the big retailers will invest in their supply chain, going to the extent of teaching farmers how to improve productivity. Similar to what Pepsi had to do to be able to make potato chips in India.
Thats again a bit of a "party line"...Pepsi did do some work with farmers in Punjab on potatos and tomatos, but that really is a question of "finessing" an existing infrastructure...The back-end logistics is already open to FDI (100%), so if there is money to be made, people should be investing already...The Bharti effort for example has WalMart as the back-end/logistcs partner...

The real hard work is on procurement - who can buy from the farmer and where...At what price..In many states, it is heavily regulated, though the regulations are geting liberalised..Second, input pricing - subsidies to farmers is a global phenomenon..The question is, where are those subsidies targteted? In India, often wrongly towards electricity and fertiliser (though this has been changed now, thankfully)..

I also take the "40% wastage" number with a large dash of salt...It has become a bit of an axiomtic myth (similar to 7 lac soldiers in Kashmir!)..No one has done (at least I haven seen) any study that shows 40% of foodgrains is wasted...To be honest, if this were true, our per capita grain consumption would be even lower than the current levels...Kishore Biyani for example, is highly sceptical about this number..
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the area of fuel efficient & low pollution diesel run pumps for farmers seems to be a ripe area for new product development...the old agri pumpsets chugging away seem like 1930s tech to me. simple stuff like composite plastic impeller, porting diesel car technologies might improve things...
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Edn of psy-ops in one segement

BBC tro shut down Hindi service form April1, 2011
It isn't an April fool's day joke on over nine million listeners, mostly in rural north India. After seven decades of broadcasting, the BBC will shut down its Hindi radio service from April 1, 2011, as part of its global cost-cutting effort.

For dozens of angry people who called up the BBC's office here on Thursday, the only hope for the return of the suave voices of the BBC Hindi anchors could be the easing of the rules that prevent private news and current affairs FM channels.

The ruthless cuts announced by the BBC World Service will affect at least 17 international language services, from Albanian and Azeri to Mandarin and Russian. About 30 million listeners will be lost, while 650 jobs will be axed in an effort to reduce expenditure before the British Foreign Office ends its funding in 2014.

The Hindi radio service will account for 23 of those lost jobs. Many of the remaining 29 employees will continue to run the BBC Hindi website, now available on mobile phones as well.

“We are considering the option of some radio programming on the website as well,” said BBC Hindi Editor Amit Baruah. That is little consolation for the vast majority of rural listeners who have little access to high-speed Internet.

However, sources in the BBC indicate that the organisation would jump at the chance to set up an FM channel of its own, to continue providing radio services in the same way as it is doing in several other countries where short and medium wave services are being cut.

India is the only South Asian nation that does not allow private FM news channels. In fact, sources say the BBC launched its preliminary FM initiative, providing entertainment and non-news content to partner channels reaching 52 cities, in the hope that the government would soon agree to allow news content as well.

Launched in May 1940 in the midst of World War II and the freedom struggle, the BBC Hindi service was religiously followed by generations of listeners, who considered it the most credible source of news. Listeners still remember that the BBC Hindi was the first to announce Indira Gandhi's assassination to both India and the world, even before the government broadcasters made the announcement. Reports suggest that even Maoists in the isolated jungles of eastern India tune in for the BBC Hindi.

However, from an estimated listener base of 30 million a decade ago, the BBC Hindi has seen its audience decline to just over nine million today, hit by the poor reception of short and medium wave radio and the rising popularity of television and FM.

While the BBC continues to provide short-wave services in India in Tamil, Urdu, Bengali and Nepali, sources suggest that all short wave services will ultimately be shut down. Unless they are allowed to broadcast news on FM, The BBC radio's era in India may soon be over.
Hope this comes true.
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Where did they get the nine million listeners number? Does anyone actually listen to shortwave radio these days?
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the only people I see listening to radio are construction labour who have FM radio in their cellphones. Likewise car audio listeners always use FM.

I have no idea who listen to SW1234 and MW nowadays...perhaps only RAW sniffers? the kind of digitally tuned radios that can catch good SW precisely like grundig/sangean are not available in india. ..though who knows it might come back as a retro fetish someday.
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in my whole life I've never witnessed (or even heard of) even one person listening to BBC radio. the folks over there must be really deluded if they think they have 9 million listeners. :lol: just 9 would be a good estimate.
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Pray How do they calculate the number of listeners on Radio ?
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Pull a number from a***
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At one time it might have been about spreading propahgandu, perhaps. But in later yrs, the setup, infra, alibi, human assets etc could be leveraged for ground level intell gatering in our hinterland and for what sri acharya san lovingly calls social engineering only. Perhaps, who knows...
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Rahul M wrote:in my whole life I've never witnessed (or even heard of) even one person listening to BBC radio. the folks over there must be really deluded if they think they have 9 million listeners. :lol: just 9 would be a good estimate.
when i was a school kid i used to listen BBC hindi service. Bhartendu Vimal was my favourite.

the psy-op of DIE around was "Beebs gives unbiased news". But that proved a big time lie later. Beeb had agenda.

Though i continued to listen to BBC world news on radio (MW) which they broadcast at 10:30 and detailed one at 11:30. just to hone up my angrezi speaking skill.
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Singha wrote:the only people I see listening to radio are construction labour who have FM radio in their cellphones. Likewise car audio listeners always use FM.

the kind of digitally tuned radios that can catch good SW precisely like grundig/sangean are not available in india. ..though who knows it might come back as a retro fetish someday.
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Murugan wrote:
Rahul M wrote:in my whole life I've never witnessed (or even heard of) even one person listening to BBC radio. the folks over there must be really deluded if they think they have 9 million listeners. :lol: just 9 would be a good estimate.
when i was a school kid i used to listen BBC hindi service. Bhartendu Vimal was my favourite.

the psy-op of DIE around was "Beebs gives unbiased news". But that proved a big time lie later. Beeb had agenda.

Though i continued to listen to BBC world news on radio (MW) which they broadcast at 10:30 and detailed one at 11:30. just to hone up my angrezi speaking skill.
okay, got number 1, now for the other 8. :P
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^^^^
Funny Hindus and Sikhs also have arranged marriage. Yet they do not feel compelled to carry out such activities. Or is it something else?
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it says "to cousins", you see the takleef no?
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