Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 03 Feb 2011 21:37

QUETTA: Baloch insurgents shot dead an SHO and four other policemen in a major roadblock on the National Highway close to Aab-e-Gum near Mach. The Baloch insurgents, stated to be around 20 and armed with sophisticated weapons, impersonated as law enforcing people wearing khakis to hoodwink people, shot and killed the policemen on resistance, eye witness accounts claimed. More than 20 armed men in khakis intercepted a police van, a passenger van and other vehicles passing through the National Highway in the area.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 03 Feb 2011 23:41

Free Baluchistan-selig harrison

As the Islamist nightmare envelops Pakistan, the Obama administration ponders what the United States should do. But the bitter reality is that the United States is already doing too much in Pakistan. It is the American shadow everywhere, the Pakistani feeling of being smothered by the U.S. embrace, that gives the Islamists their principal rallying cry.

The endless procession of U.S. leaders paying goodwill visits to Islamabad, most recently Vice President Joe Biden, evokes sneers and ridicule in the Urdu-language press, accompanied by cartoons showing Pakistanis scratching fleas crawling over their bodies. (cartoonists required) The late special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan, Richard Holbrooke, liked free-swinging encounters with Pakistani journalists that left a trail of bitterness expressed in the Urdu media, but this did not deter Holbrooke and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton from return visits.

what should uncle do-

the United States should start by phasing out drone attacks in the Pashtun border areas with their massive civilian casualties

should end the $1 billion plus in annual subsidies to the armed forces that make them look like American puppets.

At the same time, less visible education and development aid provided by the Kerry-Lugar bill should be continued, together with the International Monetary Fund credits that keep the Pakistani state afloat, and access to U.S. markets for Pakistani textile exports should be increased.

the United States should recognize that Islamabad is afraid of stirring up Pashtun ethnic sentiment there that could break up the fragile multiethnic Pakistani federation.

Why does the United States keep pouring aid into Pakistan despite its active support for the Taliban in Afghanistan at the expense of U.S.-NATO forces and its inability or unwillingness to help the United States root out al-Qaeda from its mountain sanctuaries?

a tight U.S. embrace of the Pakistani military and intelligence elite is necessary to make sure that another nuclear-proliferation racket does not emerge like the one organized by nuclear czar A. Q. Khan.

But the larger danger to the United States is that the nuclear arsenal will fall into the hands of the Islamist sympathizers inside the nuclear establishment, or that the Islamists will completely take over the armed forces, branding current military leaders as U.S. stooges.

First, it should support anti-Islamist Sindhi leaders of the Sufi variant of Islam with their network of 124,000 shrines. Most important, it should aid the 6 million Baluch insurgents fighting for independence from Pakistan in the face of growing ISI repression. Pakistan has given China a base at Gwadar in the heart of Baluch territory. So an independent Baluchistan would serve U.S. strategic interests in addition to the immediate goal of countering Islamist forces.

Already drone attacks being scaled down by design or due to weather? Is uncle slowly changing tactics by not pushing for offensive at KH by TSPA.
TSP on handouts to maintain itself.
It will give a fillip to baluch resistance and others.

give peace a chance destroy tsp.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 03 Feb 2011 23:45

JE Menon wrote:I have to agree with SSridhar here. The comment coming from Gen. Rodriguez is most disappointing. There are two possibilities:

1. This is a lull before the storm - and I fail to see how much more stormy it can be given the apparent pace of attacks set By Gen. William McRaven in that theatre. Unless the storm this time is going to blow over Pakistan. In other words, the comment by Gen. Rodriguez about not needing much from Pakistan in Waziristan could suggest that the reason is American anticipates to act on its own. But I doubt it. This may, ultimately, be a political statement more than anything else. The Obama drawdown is to begin in a few months... and this might be the opening shot in the media to indicate that, yes, things will go according to "plan". Of course, that's crap. Uniformed American soldiers in fairly significant numbers will be in Afghanistan for a while to come.

2. This is the final acceptance by the US that Pakistan is unwilling to act in that area. What does this mean? It means that the operations in the Pak theatre might be winding down. And this is not a good thing at all. It could mean, despite the full knowledge on the part of the Americans, from Obama & Biden down to the platoon commander on the ground, that the Pakistanis are "the cancer", nothing is going to be done about it. What is clear is that although everyone identifies the problem, the solution that first appears to go through their minds is "India must do something on Kashmir". They know they can't really raise this issue with us either, because they know how idiotic it would be to do so. They know what we will say and they know they have no answer for it.

While it is disappointing, the disappointment may be temporary. It seems to me, judging by the various scratches and itches that the US is executing, that something rather bad for Pakistan is taking shape within the American strategic machinery. There are few takers for the argument in the US now that Pakistan is anything but a double-dealing reptile. So far, they seem to think however that to keep this snake from lunging at them every now and then, they have to give "massive aid". They can hardly string together two sentences about Pakistan without that phrase in there somewhere. But, even that assessment is on its last legs.

As we know, Satyam eva Jayate. We can wait.

The Americans will not give up on having North Waziristan cleaned out, they can not. This is about whether the PA can be pushed in to acting on Obama's electoral timetable.

If the Obama Administration can make big and deep improvements in Afghan security he can have a bigger draw down and a national security victory he can brandish at Republicans, while having something to offer his left-wing, anti-war wing of the party. America would remain deeply engaged regardless.

A Pakistani invasion of N. Waziristan would allow a bigger drawdown, with troops levels reducing in Eastern Afghanistan.

If the improvements on the ground are more limited, or fragile, then the 2011-2012 drawdown will have to be largely symbolic.

It is all a matter of degree - this Administration's policy has been calibrated for flexibility. They don't want to lose Afghanistan, but they don't want to lose the 2012 elections either, and they are looking for the cheapest mean path between the two.

The riskiest option the administration could take would be to go for the kind of reduction in forces that would have taken place if the PA had gone in to N. Waziristan anyway, and count on increased drone strikes to balance things out. That is something DoD all the way up to Gates, and State all the way up to Hillary Clinton would oppose.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Feb 2011 23:53

Many in Pakistan Fear Unrest at Home

But while Mr. Gilani appeared unruffled, diplomats, analysts and other Pakistani officials admit to unease, and concede that Pakistan contains many of the same ingredients for revolt found in the Middle East — and then some: an economy hollowed out by bad management and official corruption; rising Islamic religious fervor; and a poisonous resentment of the United States, Pakistan’s biggest financial supporter.

Some diplomats and analysts compare the combustible mixture of religious ideology and economic frustration, overlaid with the distaste for America, to Iran in 1979. Only one thing is missing: a leader.

Food inflation totaled 64 percent in the last three years, according to Sakib Sherani, who resigned recently as the principal economic adviser at the Finance Ministry. The purchasing power of the average wage earner has declined by 20 percent since 2008, he said.

Families are taking children out of school because they cannot afford both fees and food. Others choose between medicine and dinner.

A middle-class customer in a pharmacy in Rawilpindi, the city where the powerful army keeps its headquarters, told the pharmacist last week to sell him only two pills of a course of 10 antibiotics because he did not have enough money for groceries.

The most popular fuel for home cooking, gas, has been severely rationed this winter. Gas supplies to power in textile mills in Faisalabad were suspended this week, leaving some 400,000 workers without their daily wages, said Abdul Qayyum, a textile union official.

Well-to-do secular families who serve liquor in their big city homes nervously talk of their servants “doing a Qadri,” voicing a fear that the flotilla of help that is common among the privileged will turn on their patrons.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Feb 2011 00:02

Brad, Post that in Pak failure thread. Another data point for an Egyptian dawn!

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 04 Feb 2011 00:08

yogi wrote:
Ms Rehman added that if the Speaker had allowed her bill "perhaps some of our colleagues would have understood that it was not suggesting total repeal of the law, but protecting our great Prophet's name against injustices done via procedures introduced by [former President] Zia ul-Haq

hmm.... This lady is not just 8/10 on Gillani Scale of High Grope Scores , but sharp and is playing back the game of her opponents.

The whole coloring goes like this:

but protecting our great Prophet's name against injustices done via procedures introduced by [former President] Zia ul-Haq

Basically she is saying smartypants Zia (and his modern day apologists and jihadis) sullied Prophet's name by making the Sharia procedures for blasphemy sound like it came directly from Prophet. Its determined implementation is the only reason a thread like BENIS exist and hence she says it need to be repealed before further damage is done to Prophet's current reputation, every time they catch a dude throwing away a tissue with a prophet-like pattern on it

wait,.... she is blaming Zia's action for the raisin deiter of BENIS and wants to stop that? She is so Wajeeb-ul-cuttlefish in my book!!

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 04 Feb 2011 00:23

Don't know about that but Gilani surely believes that she is Wajib ul Cuddle

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 04 Feb 2011 00:41

Don't know if this should go to Benis or if it would be of use to Shiv for his videos. The thought of TFTA packees with long missiles going to Dr Lyn Choos(WTF?) for advanced farmulas seems a bit too

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 04 Feb 2011 00:53

Pakistan’s forex reserves rise to record $17.38 bln

Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves were boosted last month by more than $633 million from the US for providing military and logistical support to fight Islamist militancy.

Analysts said the rise was due to a rise in remittances from overseas Pakistanis. According to official data, remittances rose 17 percent to $5.3 billion in the first six months of the fiscal year 2010/11 (July-June).

A few small things that we can do to ensure that the remittances do not rise

Dont employ a Pacqui
Don't buy from a Pacui store
Don't buy a made in Pacquistan product
Don't tip the PAcqui waiter
Don't hire a taxi driven by a PAcqui

Inform the authorities about illegal Pacqui colleges and visa rackets

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Feb 2011 01:00

Doctors running scared

In a sinister and bizarre turn, doctors like Baloch have become the targets of organized killings in Pakistan's crime-ridden economic capital

Karachi is a city that has more grudges than open sewers

I go through school, go on to medical college and have a job making 30,000 rupees a month ($346). I can't even afford to buy a car,” he says. “The hospital has no money for masks or gloves for me and I have to bring my own soap from home. And now people are trying to kill us.

More than 1,350 people in Karachi died in targeted killings last year, according to human-rights organizations, more than the number killed in Pakistan in terrorist attacks.

More than 600 police officers have been murdered since 1996, according to government statistics

The hatred runs so deep. You have some Urdu-speaking doctors and hospitals who just refuse to treat Pashtuns, and vice versa. So the feeling becomes that the doctors are really working as members of their sects and political parties.”

who is safe in TSP!!
there will always be a more bious baki than the purest one.
AOA.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Feb 2011 01:03

Qadrification in full swing!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Feb 2011 01:52

Already posted, sorry

archan · Post by **archan** » 04 Feb 2011 01:53

Mahendra wrote: Dr Lyn Choos(WTF?)

You got a very very kafir brain. That should come with a spill alert! those who could make the connection... hope you didn't have tea/coffee near you.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 04 Feb 2011 02:16

Christine Fair sets the record straight and nails the Pakis for being such egregious liars. She also nails those DC foggies who encourage and partake in such Paki lies.

The U.S.-Pakistan F-16 fiasco
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... _16_fiasco

James B · Post by **James B** » 04 Feb 2011 02:21

True history of Pakistan by Najam Sethi on Dunya TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE2FJFaV ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVhYC_KP ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fzb7EnL5CE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybntuWf_ ... =related-4

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Feb 2011 02:22

jr^2,
They say an Ambassador is one who is sent abroad to lie for his country.

Looks like US officials lie in US for other countries!

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 04 Feb 2011 02:29

ramana wrote:jr^2,
They say an Ambassador is one who is sent abroad to lie for his country.

Looks like US officials lie in US for other countries!

You know one would assume US State department was created to manage and change perception of US through out the world, but it is actually used to change and manage perceptions at home.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Feb 2011 02:38

They become lobbyists for which ever thug they like.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Feb 2011 02:57

archan wrote:
Mahendra wrote: Dr Lyn Choos(WTF?)
You got a very very kafir brain. That should come with a spill alert! those who could make the connection... hope you didn't have tea/coffee near you.

This Poak-Chin-Choos is a strict family affair. No ousider allowed.
Poak song
Mera naam Poak-chin-choos, Poak Chin Chinn Chooss x2
Raat Chandni , mai or tuu, hello Master, How do i do.
Pappa, O Paapa, Cheena Paapa!!
Cheena ji, mai Arab se ayye , sindh se thi meri Maiyee
Khol de appni.... tu, dekh meri phir fitrat tuu.
Dekho kaffir jee Cheen aarr Paak
Kitna accha hua Milaaap.
Dekh ke "tughko" tabiat Pharki
Alladeen ki main hu Larki.
Paapa ,o Paapa, o Cheena Paapa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVKEMOenP-o

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 04 Feb 2011 03:40

US dilemma for Pakistan - K.P. NAYAR

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In both cities, the establishment is walking a tightrope, hoping to direct the pervasive anti-Americanism cutting across Pakistani society away from its own rulers. That may be easier than dealing with what is emerging as the worst diplomatic stand-off between Washington and Islamabad.

In an effort to secure the release of Raymond Davis, the consular employee, President Barack Obama quietly sent Gen. David Petraeus, commander of the US and Nato forces in Afghanistan, for a meeting with Pakistan’s army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, but to no avail.
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Today, a magistrate in Lahore extended the police remand for Davis by another eight days. This week, the central and Punjab governments clashed on the issue and there was uproar in Pakistan’s National Assembly over the Zardari government’s prospective inability to stand up to pressure from Washington to free Davis.

Islam being the raison d’être for Pakistan, Rawalpindi has always shivered when it rained in Cairo, Tehran or Rabat.

It happened during the siege of the Grand Mosque at Mecca in 1979, again in 1989 after Salman Rushdie published The Satanic Verses and has occurred periodically whenever peace at the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem was disrupted.

Although it is in South Asia, Pakistan’s rulers have always had pretensions of being sentimentally closer to the Arab world than to its neighbours because of religion.
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But the government’s and the military’s dependence on Washington makes any excessive fanning of anti-Americanism self-defeating.
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By late this evening, there were signs that a resolution of the crisis over Davis may be in the offing.

Interior minister Rehman Malik today confirmed that the American is in Pakistan on a diplomatic passport. That will make it difficult for the courts in Lahore to hold him in remand much longer.

saip · Post by **saip** » 04 Feb 2011 03:46

ramana wrote:jr^2,
They say an Ambassador is one who is sent abroad to lie for his country.

Looks like US officials lie in US for other countries!

But in the case of Pakis, they dont need to be ambassadors to lie, they just lie!

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 04 Feb 2011 04:23

Dr Lyn Choo's partner is the Jewish Chinese, Dr Ma- Dr Ma Yahweh.

saip · Post by **saip** » 04 Feb 2011 04:55

Najam Sethi's take on Davis episode in TFT. And some interesting nuggets on Paki diplomats

For example, Pakistan’s Ambassador to Spain in 1975, Haroon ur Rashid Abbasi, was granted immunity following discovery of heroin from his suitcase. Col Mohammad Hamid Pakistan’s military attaché in London in 2000, was caught having sex with a prostitute in his car in a public place. He invoked diplomatic immunity and avoided arrest. Mohammad Arshad Cheema, Pakistan’s First Secretary in Nepal, also invoked diplomatic immunity after 16kg of high inte4nsity RDX explosives were recovered from his house and he was suspected of being involved in the hijacking of Indian Airlines Flight IC-814. And so on.

http://thefridaytimes.com/04022011/page1.shtml

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Feb 2011 06:47

The pure tried to cull impure sufi's in Lawhore...only one got culled...IED in short supply amongst the pure in pureland..

http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/04/man-kill ... blast.html

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Feb 2011 08:25

Sridhar saar, and others.

I would like to make a map of the city of Karachi which shows the areas controlled by the various factions there. Specifically the MQM, ANP Pashtoons, Sindhis? Criminal gangs etc.

This will help us understand who got killed and the likely whodunnit.
(For example if Area A is MQM controlled, and a shootout happens there, it is most likely that a few MQM guys got taken out by their rivals in a drive-by shootout)

Need help in identifying areas from available knowledge base / open source news articles mentioning areas in that city.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Feb 2011 08:41

Lyn Choos!!!

Hila-Le-Bakistan to Mullah Mahendra!

400% Halal Benis language on display: "Cheen", "Chines", "Farmula".

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Feb 2011 08:46

@ Gagan,
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 7#p1023497

In areas far removed from the elegant and up market Clifton, MQM and ANP have marked out their territories; the former control places like Orangi, Korangi and Azizabad which are no -go areas for others, the ANP dominates Al Asif Square and Sohrab Goth. The MQM has three fears.
It is concerned about not only losing out to the growing Pushtun numbers but also to increasing Talibanisation; it was Karachi's Binori Masjid that was a major Taliban centre in the early days and remains so today. The hold of the Deobandhis and the Wahhabis has been growing in Karachi.
Further, their relations with the Sindhis who have always perceived the Mohajirs as interlopers have remained hostile even when MQM and PPP are in the same government.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Feb 2011 08:57

@ Gagan,
some more info in this article-
A Plan which died temporarily

Even though the Altaf-led MQM has already returned to the treasury benches in the National Assembly, it is still unaware of a secret exercise conducted by the PPP, which is aimed at denting the electoral strength of MQM in Karachi by altering the demography of the port city through delimitation of constituencies and registration of 60 to 70 per cent unregistered voters.

As per the projections of the secret plan, the MQM would not be able to secure national and provincial assemblies seats in more than five towns of Karachi. According to the secret plan which has been shelved after the MQM’s return to the treasury benches, the number of districts in Karachi was to be increased from five to seven and the town committees from 18 to 25. Similarly, the number of constituencies was also to be increased according to the size of the population.

The proposed delimitation plan emphasized creation of two new districts on war footing basis, namely Gulshan-e-Iqbal and Saddar District while eight to nine new towns have also been proposed to be established which includes (a) Gulistan-e-Johar; (b) Sohrab Ghot till New Sabzi Mandi and Toll Plaza; (c) Ibrahim Haideri, including Chakra Ghot, Juma Ghot, Umar City, Shah Latif Town, Manzoor Colony and Korangi 1, 2 and 3; (d) Garden Town, East/West; (e) Clifton and Defence; (f) Defence Phase II extension and Qayyum Abad and Akhtar Colony; (g) Sher Shah Town; (h) a new town from Landhi and Shah Faisal Town may be established after delimitation.

As per the secret plan, which claims to have assess the ground realities exist in all the town committees of Karachi, the Saddar Town consisting of 11 Union Councils (UC), seven are won by the MQM and four by others. The plan recommends that this area, which looks like a district, should be made a district as it covers Saddar, Defence, Clifton, Defence Phase II, Burns Road, Garden till Tower. In this area, as the plan suggest, 70% votes of local people are not registered of which 20% are Sindhi, Hindu and Christian while the remaining 50 % are Sindhi and Punjabi voters.
Jamshed Town: The area consists of 13 UCs where the MQM won seven while six went to others. Actually, the plan emphasized, non-MQM political forces could get nine seats. In this town, most of the population is Sindhi, Parsi and Punjabi while the MQM has only 20% vote power, and it is the largest town in Karachi, where 20% voters are not registered. Some of the area is recommended to be added with Saddar Town.

Gulshan-e-Iqbal Town: As per the proposed plan, 50% population is of Sindhi, 6% are Pathans, and 14% are Hazaras while 70% of whom are not registered. Presently, the MQM and Sindhis have almost the same registered vote strength, but the MQM won eight seats and other was able to pocket just five. However, it should have been just the opposite results.

Kaimari Town/Gudap Town/Bin Qasim Town/Liari Town: These four towns are dominated by Baloch and Sindhi people while around 10% voters each belongs to the MQM, Pathan and Punjabis.

Site Town: It consists of ten UCs, six belong to the MQM and four to others; dominated population is Pathan, Sindhi and Punjabi. The delimitation is required because Pathan voters are divided on ethnic basis in two towns while 25% voters are not registered.

Baldia Town: It consists of eight Ucs—four are with the MQM, and the remaining four are with others. This is Pathan dominated area followed by Sindhis and Urdu Speaking. 20% voters are not registered.

Malir Town: This is one of the oldest towns, having seven UCs, five are with the MQM and two are with others while 30% voters are not registered. Delimitation is required since it is Sindhi and Baloch dominated area with Punjabi population standing at the third position.

Shah Faisal Town: It consists seven UCs, four to MQM and three to others. A Punjabi dominating area followed by Sindhis and Baloch while Pathans makes the third force and the MQM standing at the fourth position. 15% voters are not registered.

Landhi Town: Consisting of 13 Ucs—seven belongs to the MQM and six to others. A Pathan dominating area followed by Sindhi and Baloch while Punjabis, Siraiki and Hazaras population makes the third force in the area where 25% voters are not registered.

Korangi Town: Consisting of nine Ucs, and all of them belong to the MQM. Around dozen a villages belong to Sindhis with a population of approximately 0.5 million. In this town 80% Sindhi voters are not registered while majority of 25% Pathan population is also not registered. This town, as per the proposed plan, can be divided into four areas, which could be of Sindhi, Pathan, Punjabi and Urdu speaking. Most of the Urdu speaking belong to Behari/MQM Haqiqi groups, which require proper delimitation.

Orangi Town: This area consist of 13 UCs, 12 belongs to MQM and only one to others. At Faqir Colony, Saeed Abad, and Abid Abad, the Hazara people are dominating while Mianwali Colony consisting of mixed population. Metro cinema area belongs to Pathan population. There is famous Mangopir Village, which is heavily populated by Sindhis and Baloch while Banaras area chowk is heavily dominated by Pathans, but they are divided as far as vote pattern is concerned.

Similarly, Raees Amrohvi Colony also belongs to Behari Urdu speaking people, who are traditionally not sided with the MQM. In this town, delimitation is required, and in such case, the proposed plan claims, the MQM will not be able to get four seats. Similarly, Baloch Colony and Sarjani Town also dominated by Pathan, Sindhi and Baloch.

North Nazimabad: It consist of ten UCs, eight belong to MQM and two to others. Delimitation is required as per the proposed plan since Garden West, Federal C Area and two Sindhi villages consist of four UCs equivalents to one MPA seat could be won by Non-MQM forces. In the area 25% Sindhi and Pathan voters are not registered.

There are villages of Jogis, which predominantly belong to Hindu minority, and majority of them are also not registered. In the same area, there are a few Sindhi villages, but they have never bothered to cast their votes while majority of Punjabi voters in Nargin Ghorangi are also not registered.

Gulberg Town: All the eight UCs won by the MQM. In this town there is oldest village by the name of Bingora Town, where most of the voters are not registered while many of registered voters preferred to stay at home instead of visiting polling stations to cast their votes.

New Karachi Town: All the 13 UCs were won by the MQM despite the fact that in these towns four UCs belongs to non-Urdu speaking. The registered Sindhi voters, living in Kumber Ghot and Haji Murid Ghot always preferred to stay away from casting their votes.

Liaqatabad Town: Here all the 11 UCs have won by the MQM. In this town, the Federal C Area, Old Golimar, Garden West which consist of three Ucs, including two villages belong to Baloch, Sindhi and Pathans who traditionally avoided to cast the votes.

Other side of the town, right from Gharibabad to Teenhati, there are four Ucs, which belong to the Sindhi and Baloch population. In case of proper delimitations, the proposed plan says, the registration of the non-registered votes—seven out of 11 Ucs—could go to non-MQM secular forces.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Feb 2011 09:06

@ Gagan,
Hope this helps--

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Feb 2011 09:23

anupmisra wrote:Sherbano's revelations
Sherry for all you lovestruck loners.

“No option” but to abide by PM’s decision on blasphemy

I feel she was squeezed into silence by Gilani.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Feb 2011 09:30

Anujan wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Sherbano's revelations
“No option” but to abide by PM’s decision on blasphemy
I feel she was squeezed into silence by Gilani.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Feb 2011 09:31

saip wrote:
ramana wrote:jr^2,
They say an Ambassador is one who is sent abroad to lie for his country.

Looks like US officials lie in US for other countries!
But in the case of Pakis, they don't need to be ambassadors to lie, they just lie!

A Muslim is allowed to lie for a good cause and all Pakistani causes are always good. Simple onlee.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 04 Feb 2011 09:33

Anujan wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Sherbano's revelations
Sherry for all you lovestruck loners.

“No option” but to abide by PM’s decision on blasphemy
I feel she was squeezed into silence by Gilani.

Sherry bibi does look very fine in that photu - I am 400%

onlee.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Feb 2011 09:39

Aman ki Smasha

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... -ki-smasha

The Indo-Pak veggie war: tamatar makes a noisy shor-ba and dopyaza becomes no-pyaza

At the Wagah border jingoistic crowds from both sides gather every evening to cheer/boo the belligerent posturing of the Indian and Pakistani security forces as the respective flags are lowered for the night. Now a real battle is in progress there, with the maidan-e-jung soaked in blood-red tomato juice and onion-induced tears.

And to think that it started as a gracious, neighbourly gesture. Seeing their Indian brothers reeling under a skyrocket attack of onion prices, the Pakistanis rushed nearly 500 tonnes of emergency supplies to India and the relief of grateful housewives. Aman ki Asha was alive, well and spreading its comforting aromas.But then came a diktat from Islamabad’s Commerce Ministry. Citing the likelihood of onion prices ‘shooting up to over Rs 100 a kg in Pakistan’ as a result of exports, it decreed that no onions could be sent to India via the land route, which is the most economical one.

This flashpoint was no flash in the pan. The very next day, the Indian side retaliated. Some 50 Amritsari traders announced that they would stop the export of tomatoes and chillis across the border. Rolling their sleeves and their eyes, they hoisted Pakistan by its own padwal, saying that prices of these vegetables in India might skyrocket too if such exports continued. Then, putting their muscle where their mouth was, they stopped some 150 fully loaded trucks from crossing over.

It is not known if a slugfest began, using the rotting tomatoes and chillis, but one thing is certain. An eye for an eye will not only make the whole world blind, but could leave it broke – and hungry—too. Since capsicum is also a major item of export from India, this eye-bulb to eye-bulb confrontation on the border will hopefully end with a Shimla Mirch Agreement.On the other hand, trenchant positions on both sides could Agra-vate the conflict.

If butter sense prevails, we could see a new version of the dinner diplomacy now used to stop war by more palatable means. It began with Nixon’s audacious bid to thaw Sino-US ties. Mao’s supporters had condemned him as a ‘gangster who wielded a butcher’s knife’, and a stunned Kissinger had reportedly spluttered to General Haig, ‘Al, this fellow Nixon wants to open relations with China. I think he has lost control of his senses.” Yet there was Tricky Dick knocking back mai-tais with Zhou Enlai in Beijing in May 1972.

Hu knows how much things have changed. The Chinese President’s first engagement in Washington this January was a White House dinner. And, when President Obama visited us, Manmohan Singh showed that he could be as adept as a Delhi socialite when it came to using a fine table to turn the global pecking order to one’s own advantage.

Actual eatable, excretable food is also a serious ingredient of bilateral relations, even of superpower-dom. Witness the hegemony of US agricultural exports. We had our own PL 480 dependency in the early decades of independence. In the 1970s, the Nixon administration was embarrassed by the ‘great grain robbery’ when the American people unwittingly ended up subsidizing wheat exports to the USSR. In the ’80s, Reagan banned these to punish Russia for its invasion of Afghanistan.
To return to the veggie war at Wagah, as always, the fraternal ties between the two peoples have not been fried; the conflict remains only official. As an Amritsari sabzi saudagar said, “We are not against Pakistani traders, only against their government’s position.”

Nevertheless, as Shri Kauliflower and Janaab Auberjinnah dig in their roots, you can be sure that no visiting cultural troupes are crooning ‘Jab pyaz diya toh darna kya’.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Feb 2011 09:49

Johann wrote: They don't want to lose Afghanistan, but they don't want to lose the 2012 elections either, and they are looking for the cheapest mean path between the two.

Thus, the Afghan problem will remain complicated, Pakistan will live to fight another day, and India will continue to face terrorism. This has how Pakistan survived for 64 years now. It is ironic that either situations developed or sometimes were even contrived and then exploited by Pakistan.

The riskiest option the administration could take would be to go for the kind of reduction in forces that would have taken place if the PA had gone in to N. Waziristan anyway, and count on increased drone strikes to balance things out. That is something DoD all the way up to Gates, and State all the way up to Hillary Clinton would oppose.

I do not think the argument for going after the Haqqani Shura in N. Waziristan was to enable the drawdown of US forces deployed in Afghanistan. Such an action is warranted simply to reduce the hugely mounting US casualties and in the process to eliminate one more lever of the ISI. By all estimates, c. 2011 is expected to be even bloodier than last year for the Americans. Haqqani Shura is the most major source of American miseries.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Feb 2011 10:53

JuD, HuM hold anti-India meet in PoK

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/134 ... india.html

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Feb 2011 11:36

There is no reason other than political considerations & senstivitiy towards Pakistan for not taking out the Haqqani physical infrastructure assets. The locations and concentrations are known or strongly suspected.

I'm hoping the considerations are tactical. But the situation as it stands is not encouraging.

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 04 Feb 2011 12:15

Johann wrote:A Pakistani invasion of N. Waziristan would allow a bigger drawdown, with troops levels reducing in Eastern Afghanistan.

Saar, you are a very deep thinker and all but this does not pass the

test. A resort to tooth fairy and santa claus combined into a three wish genie would still find this proposition seriously

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 04 Feb 2011 13:00

JE Menon wrote:There is no reason other than political considerations & senstivitiy towards Pakistan for not taking out the Haqqani physical infrastructure assets. The locations and concentrations are known or strongly suspected.

Was there some reason the Soviets did not take out these guys. Weren't they along with that Hekmatyar guy the thorns in their flesh in staging from TSP. The Soviets had the fire power to take them out and TSP could do nothing but Bleat. Anyone?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 04 Feb 2011 13:12

Theo_Fidel wrote:
JE Menon wrote:There is no reason other than political considerations & senstivitiy towards Pakistan for not taking out the Haqqani physical infrastructure assets. The locations and concentrations are known or strongly suspected.
Was there some reason the Soviets did not take out these guys. Weren't they along with that Hekmatyar guy the thorns in their flesh in staging from TSP. The Soviets had the fire power to take them out and TSP could do nothing but Bleat. Anyone?

For Soviets that would mean hitting the large American presence on ground in Afg in that period, and hence escalation. Even hitting TSPA would mean escalation because TSPA was then even more darling Munna of US, with numerous protections through alphabet soup treaties.

Sure fire way to heat up the cold war.