AeroIndia 2011

dhirkum · Post by **dhirkum** » 07 Feb 2011 00:28

is the F22 participation confirmed ? Has neone seen it landing at Yelahanka ?

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 07 Feb 2011 01:16

Just curious what are these new sets of lines extending from the roundel to the nosecone on the IJT, dont remember seeing in earlier pics?

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 07 Feb 2011 01:52

suryag,
pliss to check the IJT thread. ajay shukla brought an article with a picture about it a long time back and vinaji tore into him

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 07 Feb 2011 02:04

Ohhw that episode, the strakes thing I remember. Thanks for pointing out

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 07 Feb 2011 02:23

Rahul M wrote:fantastic, I was wondering about that, not being able to recall the numbers. that said, what procedure are they following, looks quite random to me. 3466, 3474 and 3851 ?

Rahul,
They are not random. Essentially most aircraft are inducted in a series.. but with distingushing alpha prefix.. These numbers are in a series

3457 Cheetah
3458
...
3466 HAL IJT
3467 MIG-23UM (unconfirmed)
3468 MIG-23UM
3469 MIG-23UM
3472 MIG-23UM
3473 MIG-23UM
3474 HAL IJT
3475-79 Unknown
3480 Hawk
3481 Hawk
3481 Mk132

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 07 Feb 2011 02:24

Jags taking off for the rehearsal - by Sanjay Simha

krishna_j · Post by **krishna_j** » 07 Feb 2011 02:31

Great pics Sanjay

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Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Feb 2011 03:59

thanks Jagan, are those UM's recent acquisitions ? it's interesting that the IJT gets an IAF series bort number even before IOC !

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 07 Feb 2011 05:49

China finally gets MEA nod for Aero India show

In a last-minute change, India has allowed China’s participation in the biennial air show ‘Aero India’ in Bangalore, beginning later this week.

As reported by The Indian Express, China did not figure in the list of countries when the names of participants were released by the Defence Ministry last week. A senior Defence Ministry official had said that the Chinese delegation had not been cleared by the External Affairs Ministry, leading to speculation that New Delhi might be responding to Beijing’s controversial visa policy with regard to Indian residents of Jammu and Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh.

A Defence Ministry official on Sunday said the Chinese delegation had finally been cleared by the Ministry of External Affairs, paving the way for its participation in the air show. He said it was only a matter of procedural delay at the MEA but did not specify what caused the delay.

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Feb 2011 08:38

Marten wrote:No one else on the 12th? C'mon people, it's a fine Saturday. We'll have a decent outing there and hopefully get to meet the good Doc later.

Marten saar, the current plan for me is to attend on the 12th. However, it is not yet confirmed due to iffy schedule of the buddies i am supposed to go with.

If they cant make it on 12th, we plan to go on 13th. However, no AI on 12th means definite visit to the Doctor's house for the meet. Hopefully, should meet you there if not coming to AI on 12th.

If my 12th AI plan is confirmed, will drop a mail to your g-male ID and we could meet at AI.

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Feb 2011 11:16

Mail from CII/AI-11 helpdesk for a query by my friend:

1. Register online with all the required details and make online payment.
2. After receiving unique id, take a print out and visit listed State Bank of India and other ticket sale counters. Tickets can also be collected from the ticket sale counters outside the Yelahanka base.
3. Show your identity and collect RFID enabled tickets. It takes some time. So kindly be patient.
4. One ticket is valid for one full day for one person. If you want to visit aero show on the subsequent day, entire process would have to be followed once again. Tickets are non-transferable.
5. Business visitors will have to park their cars in the P-9 parking (entry from Gate No. 5). Plz follow signages. Shuttle buses are available till the entry gate from the parking area.
6. Cameras are allowed. Please don’t carry baggage.
7. Food courts are there inside the venue.
8. As of now, there is no provision of reimbursement or readjustments of the amount paid.
9. On Saturday business visitor’s ticket is @ Rs 1,000/- per head. On Sunday there is no business visitor ticket as exhibition area will be open to the general visitor.
10. On the day of your visit, please carry the ticket and identity proof. Venue of the air show is Air Force Station Yelahanka on National Highway 7.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Feb 2011 11:55

the ticketing system is designed to make it as tough for the lay people as possible. meantime around 30,000 free passes will likely have been handed out to defence PSU employees and their families and friends.

I dont grudge them their free passes, but atleast rationalize and bring the ticketing system to a more liberal 21st century norm to ensure ease of access for normal people.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 07 Feb 2011 13:13

shiv wrote: Anyone with any issues about the SDRE finish of this aircraft?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zUe7sq7m3h0/T ... 0/IJT1.jpg

So they have decided to ditch red for orange?

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 07 Feb 2011 14:49

Folks,
Had an unexpected chance to visit full-dress rehearsal for armed forces today. I just wanted to do a quick write up.

I could spot the following aircraft:

Flying Units:

SAAB Gripen
EF
Rafale
Shornet
Viper (Block 60 is probably the flying unit and another USAF one is at static display)
Su-30MKI
Tejas
Surya Kirans
IJT (fly by)
Jags (fly by)
Mi-8/17 (fly by)
3 X Su-30MKI (fly-by)
An-32 + 2 X Dorniers (fly-by)
LCH (looks like TD-1 doing the flying unless both of them have the same camo)
Sarang
ALH Demo

I think the best flying performance was by Rafale. Eurofighter was good too but didn't seem as agile asRafale. Saab Gripen was great as well. Hornet's performance was disappointing compared to other MMRCA contenders. Don't get me wrong it was good but not great! Sukohi display was OK...seemed a little bit sluggish compared to MMRCA contenders. Tejas display was good. I wouldn't say it stole the show but one could clearly make out its envelope hasn't been opened completely yet.

LCH did some good moves in the air. Almost matched Sarang's moves. Surya Kiran were impressive as usual but they didn't perform all of their routines. Seemed like their show was cut short!

Static:
Tejas Trainer
Tejas Fighter
Su-30MKI loaded
Mirage-2000
Hawk
Embraer Lineage 1000
Gripen C (?)
USAF F-16
Omega Tanker (DC-10)
USAF KC-135

and many more

As I was about to leave spotted a USAF C-130 aircraft land and headed towards the flight line up. I did not see MiG-35 in the line up neither was there any flying display. I was told that HJT-36 is part of the flying display but did not perform today; neither did F-16 Block 60 (I think it did a touch and go). Or perhaps both of them were on the afternoon roster. Didn't see Raptor as well. Is LCH TD-2 supposed to be static or flying unit? 'Cause I could spot just one LCH and I think it was the flying unit.

Americans are awesome in marketing and trying to win hearts of the people. While taxying back to the parking slot, the Hornet pilot came close to the visiting armed folks (us) with opened canopy and waved to the crowd. He stopped the aircraft for half a minute so that people might take close ups pics of the fighter and then spooled up his engine to head back. No other fighter did that...EF passed in front of the section slowly but it wasn't like the US folks. Rafale was probably trying to show its short landing distance and so was Gripen. We were almost towards the end of the runway that is away from ADVA. It would have been cool if Tejas pilot did the same.

The exhibition area (Interiors) is still being set up. Quick peak into the Dassualt section, abt half done. They were unpacking a scale model of Rafale. I expect night outs for those folks

I have pics (the far out zoom ones look small due to my limited 250mm lens), but it will take me sometime to recover and sort it out. I also will be heading again on Thu to cover business area.

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 07 Feb 2011 15:00

Eurocopter Brings AS 550 C3 Fennec Helicopter to Aero India 2011

...
"We are very happy with the Fennec's performance during the recent trials, and are confident it is the ideal proposition as the rightful successor to the Cheetah and Chetak," explained Rainer Farid, the Eurocopter Vice President of Sales for South Asia.
...

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 07 Feb 2011 15:14

KrishG wrote:
Marten wrote: What a morning. Jags shook up the house!
Ok. Can I get the list of people who are planning to visit AI on Friday (11th Feb). It will be easier to meet-up there that way.

I will be there on Friday.

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 07 Feb 2011 17:08

Any news about Nirbhay mock-up they were suppose to display ..

nits · Post by **nits** » 07 Feb 2011 18:10

vishnu.nv wrote:WOW... IJT is looking awesome!!!!! Still they could have selected some other Color combo!!!

Here you go; a different color scheme... Coutsey Tarmak007

nits · Post by **nits** » 07 Feb 2011 18:15

Zynda wrote: Americans are awesome in marketing and trying to win hearts of the people. While taxying back to the parking slot, the Hornet pilot came close to the visiting armed folks (us) with opened canopy and waved to the crowd. He stopped the aircraft for half a minute so that people might take close ups pics of the fighter and then spooled up his engine to head back. No other fighter did that...

This one -- ? (Picture Courtsey Tarmak 007 & Chindits)

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 07 Feb 2011 20:05

Yep, that was their act. It would have been super cool if Tejas had done something similar...hopefully they will during the actual AeroIndia days show. Also I think the LCH on flying display is TD-1. It has a chin mounted gun...not sure if the TD-2 has received the same. May be Mr. Hari from HAL could clarify that?

Did not see Dhruv WSI at the show...may be they all turn up during the next 1 or 2 days!

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 07 Feb 2011 21:59

Some awesome pics (by RahulDevnath) of the IJT and Sukhoi-30MKI (top shots) on tarmak's blog. check them out

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 07 Feb 2011 22:13

I love the LCH

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » 07 Feb 2011 22:29

Phew what a day!!!... Watched the dress rehearsal today.

Started off with the Para's doing their sky diving bit. It was the turn of 3 Mi 8/17 helos carrying India, Airforce and Aero India flags. They were followed by small boy formation an AN 32 and 2 Doniers. Followed by 5 Jags, 2 IJTs and then by the sight of the day 4 Tejas in formation (the 5 was sipping coolers as this was only a dress rehearsal). This was followed by 3 Rambhas with the flank planes peeling off to the right and left respectively. Finally they were followed by a short display by the SuryaKirans. Watching them over the years I did feel this is they were a little duller than their usual "josh" display.

The first of the Individual performances was the Tejas. This was spectacular to watch. Never seen Tejas this way. After seeing this display and knowing that this is not the full envelope I wonder if it would outperform a few of the MMRCA contenders (the F-16 and the Gripen better watch it) after the complete program is done. Yes there were a few things I was praying the Tejas would show, a slow high AoA pass but that was not to be. This show was my second highlight of the day and the incident after the show (read below) proves it.

After the Tejas was the Rafale(I am not 100% sure of the order). First time watching the plane, impression is it is very close to EF2000 in performance. Standard performance, and Raf. ale is definitely a very beautiful plane in the sky. What did strike me was this plane was the most unknown of the lot. A guy next to me identified Rafale as the Typhoon (he did get all the others right). SHornet was next, impression is that it is one of the best performers at low speeds (those huge LERX kick some serious muscle, and so do those engines). Thrust vectoring would have been great on this. There was this super marketing gimmic of the pilot who drew a collective "Haaa" from the crowd by opening the cockpit while taxing and waving to the crowd. While taxi ing away he also waved the control surfaces which also thrilled the crowd.

This was followed by the Rambha and her pelvic thrust vectored dance. Flat spins, tail slides rolls et al.I am yet to see an Indian piloted Su-30 do a cobra. I dont know if I am the unlucky one or if Indians dont do it (a question for the Gurus). After this was the Gripen again a standard gripen show. Could not help remarking how similar it was to the LCA's flying. One thing about the gripen is the takeoff and landing performance. Easily the best of the show. Landing was extremely short and surely displays the ability to land on highways. After this was the LCH. I must say LCH is by far the most confident of the display's that I saw. For a craft with < 75 hours testing the moves were as much as the WSI Druv. It def put in a show. The way it was flown would surely silence a lot of vested interests who would try to stall its induction into the forces.(hope they dont ask it to prove itself against the Ah 64 they way Arjun had to). Finally the Sarang.

Incident after the show: Went home and met a active pilot (so one who knows his planes and is aware of the capabilities of a plane). He was watching the initial part of the show and said he watched 3-4 of the individual participants before going home. I told him I was happy to see the Rafale for the first time. He asked me the first plane was Rafale right...I said not it was Tejas...His jaw dropped. He refused to believe me. He said YELLSEEYAY cannot move like this.you are giving me crap. Finally pulled out my camera and showed him the tail number. He left is a state of shock. I had a glow on my face.....WATCH OUT WORLD.. TEJAS SHINES

Raman · Post by **Raman** » 07 Feb 2011 22:36

If anybody gets a chance for another LCA walkaround photo shoot, please remember to also take detailed pictures of the undercarriage and wheel wells. Thanks.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 07 Feb 2011 22:52

Seedo sahab,

Please upload the LCA video.

To answer your question about IAF pilots doing the cobra: A cobra maneuver is not good for the fatigue life of the plane. IAF fields operational planes at air shows, and obviously doesn't need to market Su-30s. Hence it doesn't show the Cobra.

There was a report few days back during the Kalaikunda (by Kartik/Andy?). The article was about an EF-super pilots review after a back seat ride. He was mollifying the EF buyers that they bought the right plane after spending over 130M/plane (that was what his concluding statement was). Anyways, he did discuss the cobra maneuvers by IAF. It seems the IAF doesn't do a nose-up cobra, but an intense nose down one. It seems the EF-pilot wanted the IAF pilot to immediate pull the nose up after the cobra. But this was not possible as the nose of the Su-30 is quite heavy. He argued that thus the cobra has only limited use in a close combat situation.

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » 07 Feb 2011 22:54

Indranil.

All I got was a few pics of the LCA and others on a borrowed point and shoot... I am a terrible photographer

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 07 Feb 2011 22:58

indranilroy wrote:Seedo sahab,

Please upload the LCA video.

To answer your question about IAF pilots doing the cobra: A cobra maneuver is not good for the fatigue life of the plane. IAF fields operational planes at air shows, and obviously doesn't need to market Su-30s. Hence it doesn't show the Cobra.

.

Just a small correction for the record..

Cobra is not good for the fatigue life of the TVC nozzles (does not have an effect of the fatigue life of the a/c structure otherwise)!!!

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 07 Feb 2011 23:01

I am totally impressed by the job that NIC has done on keeping online the videos from AeroIndia seminar.. Totally great quality & fast buffering response..

I hope all the videos from tomorrow's sessions will be available online at the end of the day.. Some important updates on indigenous programs scheduled for tomorrow..

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 07 Feb 2011 23:03

1.Can somebody going to AeroIndia please visit the ADA stall and findout the specific improvements that IAF wants for Tejas Mk.1 !!!

2.And specific changes planned for Mk2.

3. Past expereince at HAL pavilions hasnt been very good - nobody seems to know the answers or doesnt want to tell.. But can somebody try to ask "WHy the boundary layer fences have appeared on the prototype - is it going to be a standard feature or just an experimental version?''

Thanks..

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 07 Feb 2011 23:05

Can people please take more pictures of Garuds, SF etc.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Feb 2011 23:25

rakall wrote:I am totally impressed by the job that NIC has done on keeping online the videos from AeroIndia seminar.. Totally great quality & fast buffering response..

where ??

we need to download them and out them up on youtube.

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 08 Feb 2011 01:09

Rahul M wrote:
rakall wrote:I am totally impressed by the job that NIC has done on keeping online the videos from AeroIndia seminar.. Totally great quality & fast buffering response..
where ??

we need to download them and out them up on youtube.

the link is below.. Click on video on demand to get the videos of the first day..

http://aeroindialive.nic.in/

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 08 Feb 2011 01:55

rakall wrote:
the link is below.. Click on video on demand to get the videos of the first day..

http://aeroindialive.nic.in/

And here is the schedule:
http://www.aeroindiaseminar.com/AeroInd ... spx?CID=49

Today's seminar didn't show-up anything new. Tomorrow morning, iirc there is Dr. Pillai's presentation on Future of Cruise Missile Tech and much more on AWEC&S and UAVs.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Feb 2011 06:02

nice..
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5sP7XwykNSM/T ... G_0148.jpg

Tarmak says he is going to release an SDRE LCA video. Will someone please put a message here if she sees it?

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 08 Feb 2011 06:06

my question wish list for AI11 visitors
1. Total orders for lca mk1, sanctioned and in pipeline
2. kaveri flight testing info - max thrust achieved/speeds achieved/hours done/
3. status on lsp7/8 and np1 first flights
4. spin recovery test and high angle of attack test info
5. pilot usage from aste for flight testing of tejas
6. bvr firing and cannon firing on tejas schedule
7. rustom progress
8. any other armaments to be tested on tejas
9. progress on lrde aesa for tejas
10. aew&c l-star radar testing progress
11. kaveri-snecma tie up and share of work

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 08 Feb 2011 08:16

Russia to Showcase 80 Types of Weaponry at Aero India 2011

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 08 Feb 2011 08:39

watch out @
0930 - 1000 hrs
Dr. A.Sivathanu Pillai
CC R&D & CEO, BrahMos
“Cruise Missile Technology – Present & Future”
http://aeroindialive.nic.in/

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 08 Feb 2011 09:25

@Shiv, I will most likely reach BLR on 11th, and would love to attend the BR meet, sent a mail to you hotmail id.

marimuthu · Post by **marimuthu** » 08 Feb 2011 09:27

dinesha wrote:watch out @
0930 - 1000 hrs
Dr. A.Sivathanu Pillai
CC R&D & CEO, BrahMos
“Cruise Missile Technology – Present & Future”
http://aeroindialive.nic.in/

Nope. The title is "Technology Leadership thru collaboration"

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 08 Feb 2011 09:28

Loved the confidence with which Dr.Sivathanu Pillai. He started off with a wonderful punch based introduction to his speech, stating the advances India made in basic sciences and surgery. My salutations to him