Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2011

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Feb 2011 20:58

jrjrao wrote:Declan Walsh of the Guardian is stuck in Quetta because of the PIA strike. His report:

Will revolution spread to Pakistan?

good article, the tipping point is when the bread 'runs out' (as we saw in tunisia and egypt)
now the question is, will it be a popular peaceful uprising, crushed ruthlessly by the army?
or a popular armed revolt?
or multiple dog eat dog armed/last paqui standing revolts?
my money is on the last option

sum · Post by **sum** » 15 Feb 2011 21:00

The inmate said that Davis started shouting, “Shut the louder or I will raise the matter with the (US) Consulate.”

“Surprisingly, jail officials shut the loudspeaker. It prompted the other prisoners to protest. In return, the officials switched the speaker back on,” said the inmate.

Isnt this Blasphemy onlee ( causing loudspeaker to shut when Azaan is on)??
guess the time has come to appoint a certain Qadri as the jail warden!!!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Feb 2011 21:02

Cosmo_R wrote: They have on many occasions:
http://www.usinpac.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=79

The question is has GoI pressed for cessation? All most us have heard is some vague bluster and then GoI goes silent and resumes a composite dialog with Pakistan,

Cosmo - I am not gong to answer for the GoI with a yes or a no, but would like to point out how you are turning the argument against the Indian government rather than accepting that the US is at fault for continuing to supply a dangerous failing state with weapons. In this context let me repost a comment made about Indians in the post by AdityaV

An American can find himself Defending America in Afganistan or Iraq, an Indian may not want to defend India in Kashmir or his Own University if it compramises his personal benefits.

So the attitude of the average Indian/Indian American is "The US is welcome to keep supplying Pakistan with arms. Not my problem. The GoI is at fault. Indians in general are the fault. I am a patriot but I can't help"

Once again let me point out that even if Indians are at fault it does not make American actions innocent and excusable. Blaming Indians and the Indian government for not being able to stop America from supplying arms to Pakistan is a horrendous cop out - a selling down the drain of India and Indians and blaming them for something that is primarily America's error to start with. For saying this, I have been told, "America is strong. It will do things in its own interest. It's a tough world out there. Better get used to it. Indians should do something about Pakistan rather than about America, Don't blame America for being strong. Besides China is also at fault"

It is difficult to fault this sentiment - but the sentiment is hardly Indian patriotism. I will keep pointing this out as long as needed. It is a sneaking admiration for America whose egregious supply of weapons to Pakistan is overlooked in order to blame India for being weak. And historic examples are quoted to say why Indians are weak. And this by people who claim to be the biggest nationalists and patriots who are working tirelessly to keep the tiranga flying. But to me it sounds like the Stars and Stripes take precedence over the tiranga. This is faux Indian nationalism from people who are willing to excuse America for its transgressions and have the time and opportunity for part time pseudo nationalism for India. This is part Indian nationalism mixed up with a powerful allegiance to America and a desire not to be too harsh on the land of milk and honey.

America is at fault for supplying arms to Pakistan. India being weak and unable to control anti-Indian actions by America does not make America's actions any less offensive. However every opportunity and argument is used by faux nationalists to blame India for an original and unending transgression against India by the USA. India should not blame America but should do something about Pakistan instead or blame itself for being weak.

China is a different issue to be discussed separately and does not change the seriousness of American actions.

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Feb 2011 21:03

shravan wrote:Twin blasts damage railway tracks near Hyderabad

HYDERABAD: Twin blasts damaged railway tracks at Udero Lal railway station near Hyderabad early Tuesday morning.

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Railway tracks in Sindh Province appear to be taking on the mantle of Gas Pipelines and Electricity Pylons in Balochistan Province as the favoured objects for blowing up.

From the posted article:

The past week has seen railway tracks in Sindh targeted in explosions that disrupted services and produced panic. On Saturday, a blast on railway tracks near Kotri suspended rail services for a few hours. On Friday, 10 low-intensity explosions caused havoc at railway tracks across Sindh, from Setharja in Sukkur to Sindh.

ManishH · Post by **ManishH** » 15 Feb 2011 21:18

Lalmohan wrote: good article, the tipping point is when the bread 'runs out' (as we saw in tunisia and egypt)
now the question is, will it be a popular peaceful uprising, crushed ruthlessly by the army?
or a popular armed revolt?
or multiple dog eat dog armed/last paqui standing revolts?
my money is on the last option

Pakistan is not Egypt. It has food self reliance and a non-existent middle
class. Very little industrialization so job loss is a non-issue.

There may be lal masjid kind of revolts but Kayani won't let another power centre emerge. If the current puPPPet civilian govt becomes too unpopular,
he'll just swap it for Mian Nawaz or something equally docile.

JI/Taliban types are too austere and don't jive well with Pakistani jarnails' retirement planning.

sum · Post by **sum** » 15 Feb 2011 21:20

There was immense pressure to release Rahat

The Directorate of Revenue Intelligence definitely could have placed noted Pakistan singer, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, under arrest, but decided to release him after enormous diplomatic pressure.

Khan, instead, had his passport confiscated and was asked not to leave the country before the probe was over.

A senior DRI official, under condition of anonymity, told rediff.com that there was severe diplomatic pressure for the singer's release.

In the end, DRI sleuths managed to question Khan for about 28 hours before he had to be released.

Another DRI officer said that the biggest problem they faced was placing the singer under arrest, as he was a foreigner.

"If in his place, had an Indian been detected carrying such a large amount of foreign currency, he could have been placed under arrest immediately. We had to detain Khan without formally slapping charges against him because he is a foreigner. In addition, he is an international artist and had been in the country for about 10 days, performing at various concerts, which would have accounted for the money," the officer said.

According to the officer, the Sufi singer, who is a hit on both sides of the border, told them that he only took payments in cash.

Aman ki Asha in progress

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Feb 2011 21:23

Wall Street Journal in an article titled "Pakistan's Undiplomatic Bungle" on the issue of US “diplomat” “Raymond Davis” shooting to death two citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in Lahore:

Be sure to check out the comments to the article as well:

Pakistan's Undiplomatic Bungle

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Feb 2011 21:24

sum wrote:
The Directorate of Revenue Intelligence definitely could have placed noted Pakistan singer, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, under arrest, but decided to release him after enormous diplomatic pressure.

Nonsense. This news item seems to be intent on scoring an own goal. There is nothing in the law that allows for keeping a person who commits this offence in custody for more than 24 hours. Indian agencies have stuck to the letter of Indian laws. Only we don;t know about it. I have linked the relevant laws on an earlier page.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Feb 2011 21:29

arun wrote: Pakistan's Undiplomatic Bungle

American media are just as good as Chinese and Pakistani media in pretending that their country is tough and badass and will do terrible things.

Nothing will happen. Pakistan will get its F-16s and AMRAAMs to kill Indian pilots and attack Indian targets

There's no limit to how far the U.S. should and will need to go to secure Mr. Davis's release. Washington last week cancelled a trilateral summit with Afghanistan and Pakistan later this month. President Zardari's state visit to Washington late next month is in jeopardy, as is $3.5 billion in annual aid.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 15 Feb 2011 21:53

@Shiv ^^^: "Cosmo - I am not gong to answer for the GoI with a yes or a no, but would like to point out how you are turning the argument against the Indian government rather than accepting that the US is at fault for continuing to supply a dangerous failing state with weapons."

But I do accept that the US is at fault. I am also pointing out that Indians in the US are doing their bit and not as some might suggest, sitting on their hands.

The missing piece is GoI outrage and until that happens, it is not going to deter DoD and DoS from carrying on the idiocy. There are no costs.

I am also not asking for a yes or no on GoI—I am simply pointing out that they are not doing what would appear to be an obvious response. If they choose not to because they are a whole lot smarter, pragmatic and have an endgame in mind that we plebes could not possibly grasp—great. However, the 'chankyaness' stuff is starting to wear thin with all these flip flops we see from MEA and even the most strident protesters against milaid to pakiland get discouraged.

vic · Post by **vic** » 15 Feb 2011 21:55

FERA has been replaced by FEMA which provides only for "civil penalty"

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Feb 2011 22:15

Cosmo_R:

Its the obvious huge power disparity at work. No doubt Indian govt, especially this one under MMS, has made India look like a banana republic, with US asking India to jump, and MMS asks how high; but the fact of the matter is that even under BJP, India was profusely guboing. Recall, Vajpayee's India and US are naturtal allies crap, even as Mush was being armed to the teeth post 9/11. I had a few exchanges with Krapon, Scaffer, some woman at Harvard (can't recall herf name) and other "South Asia experts, and when asked why they are selling arms to Pakis, they say even Indian govt has no problem with it with a smirk. Of course, their diplomats hava won over the Indians through sweet talk, inducements etc, so obviously Indian govt goes along; but tough to get this complexity across in a sound bite conversation.

So the question one has to ask is this. Take away all the high fly "impending superpower" nonsense and lets stick to cold facts. Is India better off today with the pussilanimous approach of seccessive Indian govts, both BJP (NDA) & INC towards US/TSP, than it would have been had they stuck to a more aggressive approach. My own feeling is Yes, given India's lack of any meaningful power to bring to the table. But one has to think of the future as well, and this is where MMS is at fault.

MMS has truly taken India's supine approach towards US/TSP to extreme levels. Reason being that after 26/11, TSP has been let off the hook. That crime was so colossal, that a few investments here and there be damned, but MMS should have shown supreme leadership using his clout and respect, and simply demanded from the US that their support to TSP after 26/11 is simply unacceptable. He should have mobilized the media, the think tanks in Delhi, the Indian military, you name it. And if TSP had gone into a tizzy, so be it. But now the situation is that like all other post terrorist attacks its business as usual, and the generals in GHQ Rawilpindi are living to fight another days starting with another 26/11 like attack. This is MMS's legacy IMO, and all the economic growth means nothing if its only hair trigger away from annhilation at the hands of TSP.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Feb 2011 22:18

Cosmo_R wrote: The missing piece is GoI outrage and until that happens, it is not going to deter DoD and DoS from carrying on the idiocy. There are no costs.

I am also not asking for a yes or no on GoI—I am simply pointing out that they are not doing what would appear to be an obvious response. If they choose not to because they are a whole lot smarter, pragmatic and have an endgame in mind that we plebes could not possibly grasp—great. However, the 'chankyaness' stuff is starting to wear thin with all these flip flops we see from MEA and even the most strident protesters against milaid to pakiland get discouraged.

A brief Googal summary of Indian objections and concerns regarding US arms sale to Pakistan from 1975 to 2010.

India has not been blind. It has been unable to stop America from supplying arms to Pakistan. The US is certainly at fault for doing that and has been hostile to India in this regard for more than 45 years

2010
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... AF/691154/
Defence Minister A K Antony has in the recent months voiced India's concerns over US military aid to Pakistan to fight the war against terror, pointing out that these weapons could be diverted against India, and demanded a "monitoring mechanism" to ensure this does not happen.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-voi ... 15845.aspx
Government on Saturday expressed serious concern over the US equipping Pakistan army with modern weapons and asked Washington to ensure that they were not used against India. "United States decision to provide sophisticated weapons (to Pakistan) is a matter of serious concern to India. The US should
ensure that these weapons are not targeted against India," Defence Minister A K Antony told reporters here.

Noting that the issue had already been taken up with the US Defence Secretary during his visit to India recently, he said the American explanation that Pakistan army has to be strengthened to fight terrorist outfits like Al-Qaeda and Taliban in Afghanistan was not convincing to India.

2005
http://www.blackanthem.com/World/2005031608.html
New Delhi has opposed U.S. arms sales to Pakistan including F-16 fighters, saying these were aimed against India,

2004
http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?266430
Arms to Pak: India conveys concern to US
Dec 09, 2004

2001
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullst ... ewsid=3423

India has said it would be a matter of concern to New Delhi if the US extends assistance to Pakistan from economic aid to arms supply for using facilities provided by Islamabad in war against Afghanistan's Taliban regime and terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden.

1992
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/acc ... atl=google

In October, 1990, the Administration was unable to certify Pakistan's compliance with the law, and the arms ban passed by Congress took effect, freezing $570 million in U.S. military aid. Although the Administration cut off direct country-to-country arms sales at the time, it decided to allow continued private, commercial arms sales to Pakistan, according to documents and interviews.

Although it was widely known for years that Pakistan was engaging in a massive, covert effort to build atomic weapons, the Reagan and Bush administrations were reluctant to take strict measures against Pakistan because of its assistance to U.S. efforts to arm the Afghan rebels, who were fighting Soviet troops in Afghanistan.

1985
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rQ ... stan&hl=en

1981
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=z1 ... stan&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=J1 ... stan&hl=en

1975
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract. ... 5B858BF1D3
NEW DELHI, Feb. 18--India has officially warned the United States that any decision to resume arms supplies to Pakistan would jeopardize IndianAmerican relations.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Feb 2011 22:23

CRamS wrote:the generals in GHQ Rawilpindi are living to fight another days starting with another 26/11 like attack. This is MMS's legacy IMO, and all the economic growth means nothing if its only hair trigger away from annhilation at the hands of TSP.

With the blessings of the country you have adopted, the USA. Don't forget to say that sir. The US is the superpower -and does things in its own interest. India cannot stop them. But it does not make them right. An acknowledgment of that would be honesty even if it was otherwise useless.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Feb 2011 22:35

jrjrao wrote:

You cannot even think of making something like this up. Majid Nizami's (does Shrilleen still work there?) nutty nation at its nuttiest best. Posting in full because anything less will do injustice to this masterpiece:

US Consulate issued a hurried disclaimer

Next up in Nation: Raymond Davis calls for exclusion of All Pakistani Players from IPL and Amending the Blasphmey Law

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Feb 2011 22:39

http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MB15Df01.html

A few months ago I speculated that in 20 yrs revelations might be made about the 'Pakistani Taliban' with American characteristics.

To repeat, we need more (that annoying word again) subtlety less histrionics.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Feb 2011 22:41

Enjaay: Raymond Davis Jail video:

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 15 Feb 2011 22:41

Shiv, a modest proposal: A bipartisan bill in parliament that says: "The MoD is hereby prohibited from purchasing from any vendor that supplies arms to Pakistan that can be used against India. The stipulations under this bill are not retroactive but shall be effective this date forward"

Let the GoI/MEA/MoD act helpless. See what pressure Boeing/LM bring to bear on GOTUS

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 15 Feb 2011 22:46

^^^True words,sir. Take unkil out of equation and the carpet gets pulled beneath the TSPA's feet....

(a) what goes my father's if Taliban is sitting in Afganistan? They were there earlier and them coming into power again means didly-squat to me - there is nothing more they or ISI can do than what they are already not doing to us. It is unkil which will feel the heat if Afganistan turns into another terrorist haven - for us, TSPA is doing all it can.
(b) nukes falling into Taliban hand is a horror story from unkil's percpective - as far as we are concerned, if push comes to serve, it is not beyond TSPA to hand over a dirty bomb to one of the tanzeems for operations against India.

India is the punching bag to take off steam and prevent yahoos from focusing on uncle....for us, unkil is the problem - pure and simple. A fvcked up TSP screws uncle's great game plan, not ours.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 15 Feb 2011 22:58

Cosmo_R wrote:Shiv, a modest proposal: A bipartisan bill in parliament that says: "The MoD is hereby prohibited from purchasing from any vendor that supplies arms to Pakistan that can be used against India. The stipulations under this bill are not retroactive but shall be effective this date forward"

Let the GoI/MEA/MoD act helpless. See what pressure Boeing/LM bring to bear on GOTUS

This is perfect. With $11B deal for MMRCA and least another $40B in pipelines. Boeing & Lockheed will do all the lobbying that we can only dream of acheiving.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 15 Feb 2011 23:34

Nice bill Cosmo_r ji, we might not get some super-duper tech but it would atleast mean DRDO gets a chance and of course DRDO should be made accountable.

Btw what a great loss to Paki H&D that guy is acting like a King for a moment i forgot that he was an accused owing to his arrogance.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Feb 2011 00:37

shiv wrote:With the blessings of the country you have adopted, the USA. Don't forget to say that sir. The US is the superpower -and does things in its own interest. India cannot stop them. But it does not make them right. An acknowledgment of that would be honesty even if it was otherwise useless.

We have said that many times, I don't what exactly is your point. Its a given that US arms TSP to India's detriment. But unless first and foremost, India makes a big deal about this day in and day out, like TSP has done about India, I am not sure anything will register in the minds of those who man the halls of power in DC. Like I said earlier, when I point this out to "South Asia experts", they will say, India herself is onboard and understand why US is doing what it is in "supporting" TSP. How can a private citizen with no power counter such an argument?

Even on the terror fron, heck, MMS goes running around wearing this "no Indian Muslim is part of Al Queda" as badge of honor around his nexk. He himself has conceeded that "Al Queda" is the Gold-standard for terrorism, and any terrorism against India is secondary. So in MMS's book, pigLET and their Indian cadres do not quallify as global Isalmic terrorists because they are not part of the Al Queda Gold standard. Thus, even if TSP is given arms to use against India, it still stands tall in US and MMS's eyes, because after all, it is fighting Al Queda. If this is the quality of leaders India has, what can ordinary blokes like me do?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Feb 2011 00:49

Don't blame yourself. Its not your fault to go and enlighten US groups.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Feb 2011 00:50

sanjaykumar wrote:http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MB15Df01.html

A few months ago I speculated that in 20 yrs revelations might be made about the 'Pakistani Taliban' with American characteristics.

To repeat, we need more (that annoying word again) subtlety less histrionics.

This article provides some basis for MMS daring the TSP to bring up the evidence of 'terrorism' support.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Feb 2011 01:03

CRamS wrote: If this is the quality of leaders India has, what can ordinary blokes like me do?

At least be less emotional and also cut the whining a little on this thread.
Thanks!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Feb 2011 01:05

ramana:

Don't know whom to believe, BK or Nutty nation. According the former, Davis will spill the beans once TSP gives him the Lakshman Jhoola treatment, or whatever it is CIA was doing to "Al Queda" suspects, while the nutty N was talking bout Davis's bravado.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Feb 2011 01:07

Dipanker wrote:
CRamS wrote: If this is the quality of leaders India has, what can ordinary blokes like me do?
At least be less emotional and also cut the whining a little on this thread.
Thanks!

Thanks for your advice and mind your own business.

Thanks
NRN
(no reply necessary)

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Feb 2011 01:08

^^
Pakis are dumb but not that dumb to attempt anything like that!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Feb 2011 01:09

Just relax and keep up with developments for you will need to explain to your circle of friends. Read the af-Pak thread and see the other op-ed that NVS wrote. All TSP needs is a Egypt moment.

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Folks please don't give gratitious advice. If you don't like a poster's views you can use the ignore button. No need for takleef.

Thanks ramana

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 16 Feb 2011 02:18

What are the odds of unwashed Pakis doing an Iran and trying to take over the US embassy. Even though the entire drama seems to be scripted, there isn't a shortage of unwashed Abduls who have run out of petroleum jelly and who have no future trying to do something spectacular

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Feb 2011 02:25

Odds of doing a Khomeini type Islamic revolution 60:40

Reason why the odds are marginal is the TSPA is already a jihadi army and wo'nt tolerate competetion.

Odds of doing a Egypt type uprising 20:80.

Reason odds are so low is TSP is not Egypt.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 16 Feb 2011 03:13

ramana-saar, Sen-ate-torr K seems to be taking some serious risks on his part by going in. Normally RAPE/PA can be trusted to protect the golden goose, but recent events show they can slip badly. But considering the fact that he is the public face of lethal largesse to PA, whatever!!

CRamS-saar, for the morons why laughed at you with "GoI has no issue with arms sales, who the hell are you?", please quote the GoI protests that Shiv-saar has posted and ask the question back. "Is that not enough? Should India declare hostilities on US to prove GoI has serious issues with your govt?". The US talkingheads are 100% offensive and the only way out is well planned sarcastic takes, that make them look goofy

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 16 Feb 2011 03:20

Obama Regime Requests $3.1 Billion in 2012 Aid for Pakistan…

Because America is in such kick-ass fiscal shape that we can afford to give an ungrateful Islamist-infested hellhole billions in taxpayer money.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 16 Feb 2011 05:00

Pakis have huffed and puffed enough. Time now for the Pakis to stop their tantrums, and to resume anew the usual GUBO pose:

Davis is ‘a diplomat’, declares FO
http://geo.tv/2-16-2011/78365.htm

ISLAMABAD: A letter written to Law Ministry from Foreign Office, declared the US double murderer of two Pakistani citizens, Raymond Davis, ‘a diplomat’, Geo News reported late Tuesday.

According to letter, US citizen Raymond Davis was designated in Pakistan at US consulate in Lahore as ‘a diplomat’ and all the same, he enjoys ‘diplomatic immunity’ according to Vienna Convention.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 16 Feb 2011 05:06

Was this posted?

Pakistan army m[f]aking 'war' movies:

Aired on private and public TV stations, the films are described as re-enactments of real clashes in the military campaign in northwest Pakistan, which began in earnest in 2009. The film attempts to subtly undercut the appeal to religion by suggesting the insurgent chief is in it for money. As his men die under a hail of army bullets, he is shown on the phone demanding "more dollars" from his paymaster.

The army's image is in competition with the militants' own propaganda on the Internet and DVDs sold in markets in the northwest. These feature real footage of attacks on army patrols, destruction inflicted by military operations and exhortations to jihad.

Last year, footage emerged of men in Pakistani army uniforms gunning down unarmed prisoners in Swat, a northwest region where the army staged a widely praised offensive against the Taliban. The footage was largely ignored by local media but is viewable on the Internet. The army has said it is investigating the incident.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Feb 2011 06:00

Cosmo_R wrote:Shiv, a modest proposal: A bipartisan bill in parliament that says: "The MoD is hereby prohibited from purchasing from any vendor that supplies arms to Pakistan that can be used against India. The stipulations under this bill are not retroactive but shall be effective this date forward"

Let the GoI/MEA/MoD act helpless. See what pressure Boeing/LM bring to bear on GOTUS

No No cosmoji. Bad self goal!! This is another highly Indic suggestion that calls for "doosron ki jai se pehle khud ko jai karein". We punish ourselves and starve ourselves because we want to make sure we are blameless before blaming someone else. Blow me down!!

We Indians think this way and I am hoping to point that out and change a few minds.

We must get everything. Pakistan must get nothing. We carry on doing whatever we want and stop the US from supplying Pakistan with arms. That is the way forward. Not self punishment and self denial. After all that is the way the world thinks - certainly the US and Pakistan think that way. Only Indians flagellate themselves and other Indians when the problem that needs to be solved is not within India but outside.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Feb 2011 06:11

Airavat wrote:Was this posted?

Pakistan army m[f]aking 'war' movies:

Airavat - that is a very interesting news item to me. I wonder if this video is viewable on the net?

Two Pakistan groups making movies showing the other as the enemy and as the servant of some foreign master. I like it.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 16 Feb 2011 06:32

Congratulations Shiv. You are truly Chankyan. I admire you. You did not fall for it. You understand that you really want unkil's crown jewels and that it is necessary to suck (them). Not a hole in one in golfing terms.

Unkil will give pakis whatever they feel is needed to keep Mil-Industry complex going and just enough so that SDREs feel the need and pay to upgrade.

Indian-Americans or anyone else cannot help with this this catch 22 you've posited.

As they say: Lie back back and enjoy it. Very Indic

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Feb 2011 06:38

This is funny , in every time Poakland related item,Gspoter Club, Balls and Hole is mentioned. Onlee the hole=Pakistan part is permanent. The balls and club used for game come from different 3.5 player and the long line of suitors after them.

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Feb 2011 06:56

jrjrao wrote:

You cannot even think of making something like this up. Majid Nizami's (does Shrilleen still work there?) nutty nation at its nuttiest best. Posting in full because anything less will do injustice to this masterpiece:

Davis flies into fury on prayer call {Rest Snipped}......................

Dr. Shireen Mazari no longer works with the Nation.

One theory doing the rounds is that the owner of the Nation, Majid Nizami, discovered she was a newly converted Shia and gave her the chop.

That theory has been floated by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s other female journalist with a Phd, Dr. Ayesha Agha Siddiqa:

Shireen Mazari leaving Nation under pressure from US or fired?

Meanwhile a question: Was Friday Times owned by the now Qadrified and thus former Governor of Pakistan’s Punjab province, Salman Taseer