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Asia's New Arms Race
As China grows wealthier and builds up its military, other nations in the region are taking note—and amassing weapons of their own.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 95198.html

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.At Mazagon Dock near the southern tip of Mumbai, hidden behind high concrete walls, hundreds of Indian workers are putting the finishing touches on the hulls of two 217-foot Scorpène-class attack submarines, the first of six slated to be built over the next few years.

Nearby, workers are adding to India's fleet of stealth frigates and guided-missile destroyers.

The New Arms Race
This is the first in a series of articles examining how the global military balance is shifting with the world economic order.
.One big reason India is beefing up its arsenal: China.

"It goes without saying that India must be seriously concerned with the rise of China's strategic power, including its military and economic power," says Ashwani Kumar, member of parliament from India's ruling Congress party. "India has consistently opposed an arms race—but India will not be found wanting in taking all measures necessary for the effective safeguarding of its territorial integrity and national interests."

From the Arabian Sea to the Pacific Ocean, countries fearful of China's growing economic and military might—and worried that the U.S. will be less likely to intervene in the region—are hurtling into a new arms race.

.In December, Japan overhauled its defense guidelines, laying plans to purchase five submarines, three destroyers, 12 fighters jets, 10 patrol planes and 39 helicopters. South Korea and Vietnam are adding subs. Arms imports are on the rise in Malaysia. The tiny city-state of Singapore, which plans to add two subs, is now among the world's top 10 arms importers. Australia plans to spend as much as $279 billion over the next 20 years on new subs, destroyers and fighter planes.

Together, these efforts amount to a simultaneous buildup of advanced weaponry in the Asia-Pacific region on a scale and at a speed not seen since the Cold War arms race between America and the Soviet Union.

The buildup is unfolding as the world's military balance appears to be shifting in tandem with its economic balance. China is beginning to build a military to match its powerful economy. This is happening as the U.S. and its staunchest allies, including Britain, are looking at flat or falling military spending—and as Russia is struggling to revive its armed forces in the post-Soviet era.

China is still far from challenging the U.S. for global military supremacy. But its recent actions have countries in the region planning for a much different future.

In Australia, a report published Monday by an influential defense think tank concludes that the China threat has sparked an "urgent need to refocus" military development "to offset and deter the rapidly expanding People's Liberation Army." The report by the Kokoda Foundation, prepared with input from senior defense officials, says Australia "cannot overlook the way that the scale, pattern and speed of the PLA's development is altering security in the Western Pacific."

."This is potentially the most demanding security situation faced since the Second World War," says Ross Babbage, author of the report. "This is not Mickey Mouse. This is dead serious stuff."

In Washington, a new "National Military Strategy" released Tuesday says that the U.S. "strategic priorities and interests" will increasingly be in the Asia-Pacific region. The Pentagon strategy paper says the U.S. intends to "invest new attention and resources" in South and Southeast Asia, and will look for new ways to increase cooperation among American allies as they build up their own military power.

"We remain concerned about the extent and strategic intent of China's military modernization, and its assertiveness in space, cyberspace, in the Yellow Sea, East China Sea, and South China Sea," the Pentagon paper says.

Both the U.S. and Australia have expressed particular concern about the vulnerability of military computer systems to cyberattack by China. The Australian report warned that in a crisis, such systems might not be secure.

.China has said that its military modernization is not directed at any other country, and that its military spending is much lower than that of the U.S. "We do not engage in an arms race. We are not a military threat to any country," said President Hu Jintao during a visit to the U.S. last month. "China will never seek to dominate or pursue an expansionist policy."

The region's newly bristling arsenals have stoked concerns that more powerful militaries could lead nations to pick fights over long-held territorial grudges, threatening to destabilize an area whose waters carry much of the world's cargo containers and oil.

"Little incidents could easily escalate into bigger incidents, and then little nasty wars," says Siemon Wezeman, a senior fellow at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which tracks defense spending.

China, to be sure, isn't the only catalyst for the arms buildup. Many Asian militaries delayed modernizing their armed forces because of the regional financial crisis in the late 1990s. Some countries are worried about threats from Islamist or separatist insurgencies. Others fear hostilities with longtime foes, such as India with Pakistan, and South Korea with North Korea.

But China's buildup looms large. China's total defense spending was $78 billion in 2010, up from $17 billion in 2001, according to government reports. Western defense officials say those totals don't include arms imports. The U.S. Defense Department has estimated that China's total military-related spending in 2009 was $150 billion.

.China doesn't disclose details about arms purchases. Figures made public by the Russian government indicate that China spent more than $17 billion on Russian arms imports between 2001 and 2010. Adding that figure to Chinese spending on domestic-arms procurement, Western defense experts estimate that China has spent about $150 billion on new weapons over the past decade.

China's first aircraft carrier, a diesel-powered vessel, is expected to be deployed this year or next. A prototype of a new J-20 stealth jet fighter—it appears designed to rival the U.S. F-22—made its first test flight on Jan. 11, just hours before U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates met in Beijing with President Hu to mend frayed relations.

The U.S., for its part, announced Jan. 6 that it would cut defense spending by $78 billion over the next five years. For the fiscal year ended in September, Congress appropriated $531 billion for the armed forces, not including costs related to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Pentagon officials contend they will continue to invest in new technologies intended to counter such Chinese advances as antiship ballistic missiles.

Since World War II, America's allies in the Asia-Pacific region have counted on the U.S. to provide a security umbrella.

"Until recently, countries in the region would expect U.S. carriers to arrive in the event of a regional conflict," says Mr. Wezeman of the Stockholm peace institute. "Clearly some countries will soon start to think: 'Is the carrier really coming?'"

.Pentagon officials say the U.S. remains fully committed to security in the region. "We will continue to maintain the military strength necessary to protect our interests, defend our allies and deter potential adversaries from acts of aggression and intimidation," says Michael Schiffer, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for East Asia. The U.S., he adds, doesn't view China as an adversary.

A region-wide submarine-buying binge shows the extent to which smaller nations are moving to bolster their defenses. Compared with aircraft carriers and other large vessels, submarines are relatively cheap. Just the suspicion that submarines are patrolling can keep hostile navies at bay. They're also considered the best weapon to counter another sub.

China has about 62 subs now and is expected to add 15 in coming years, according to the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence. India, South Korea and Vietnam are expected to get six more subs apiece by 2020. Australia plans to add 12 over the next 20 years. Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia are each adding two. Together, the moves constitute one of the largest buildups of submarines since the early years of the Cold War. Asian nations are expected to buy as many as 111 subs over the next 20 years, according to AMI International, which provides market research to governments and shipbuilders.

.India had long focused its military planning on Pakistan, its foe to the northwest, and Pakistan-based militants remain a major concern. India also has feuded with China for years over the border they share in the Himalayas, where China continues to claim land that is now governed by India.

But India now is growing more worried about China's potential influence over key shipping lanes. Beijing has been financing and building ports in Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh—analysts have dubbed it China's "string of pearls" strategy for the Indian Ocean. China's goal, in part, is to secure sea lanes for its energy and mineral supplies from the Middle East and Africa, which must pass through the Indian Ocean and the Straits of Malacca, a shipping bottleneck in Southeast Asia. Like the rising powers of previous centuries—Great Britain, Spain, Portugal—the Chinese are building up their military power to ensure access to key natural resources.

India sees that as a threat. "India's lifeline of oil comes from far-off places," says Sureesh Mehta, former chief of the Indian navy and currently India's high commissioner to New Zealand. "There are times when it may need protection."

India is the fourth-largest consumer of oil in the world, and it relies on crude shipments from Middle Eastern countries including Saudi Arabia and Iran. It also imports large amounts of coal from Indonesia and Australia.

The Andaman and Nicobar Islands, a remote Indian archipelago in the Bay of Bengal about 745 miles off India's southeastern coast, has been buzzing with military activity as India bolsters its maritime defenses. The cluster of 572 islands lies just 175 miles south of mainland Myanmar, a close ally of China.

The navy controls half the port area of the territory's capital, Port Blair. The air force takes over the airport every afternoon, and it is lengthening several airstrips on the islands to handle night landings by fighter jets—a critical capability given that India only has one aging aircraft carrier in operation.

India's defense budget, which is roughly $32 billion for the year ending March 31, has increased 151% in the last decade. The government expects military spending to grow at about 8.33% annually in coming years.

.The new Scorpène submarines, which can stay submerged for about a week, are being built with technology from France's state-owned DCNS for an estimated total cost of $4.6 billion.

India's shopping list extends far beyond subs. It purchased eight maritime-reconnaissance and antisubmarine aircraft from Boeing Co. for $2.1 billion in 2009, and the government recently approved an order for another four, says an Indian navy spokesman. The goal is to upgrade India's snooping capabilities and replace outdated Russian planes.

"This really gives them strategic reach in the Indian Ocean," says Vivek Lall, vice president in charge of Boeing's defense, space and security operations in India.

Boeing and several other aerospace firms are also in the running for an estimated $10.5 billion contract for 126 fighter jets, India's largest-ever defense order. "It's an unsaid thing, but clearly China is a big issue," says Mr. Lall.
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The Pentagon may have come out of Barack Obama's 2012 budget mostly unscathed, but the military's salad days of limitless spending are over.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ng_the_war
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Mi-28 crashed in Russia. Commander died sadly.

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Photo of a Thyphoon a couple of feet from a C130!

http://img442.imageshack.us/i/thyphoonu ... oc130.jpg/

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Germany Won't Pursue MEADS
Germany won't pursue a multi-billion dollar military defense project known as the Medium Extended Air Defense System, or MEADS, after its partner the U.S. also pulled out of the program, a spokesman for the country's defense ministry said Wednesday, confirming a press report in Financial Times Deutschland.

MEADS is an air and missile defense system supposed to protect troops from shorter-range ballistic missiles, low-flying cruise missiles and enemy aircraft. It was set to replace the Patriot missile-defense system.

The Pentagon and its European partners have been weighing the fate of the program amid the U.S. defense secretary's drive to cut costs.
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Pentagon's new AirSea Battle Concept

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... y?page=0,1
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Gates nixes putting big U.S. land forces in Asia or the Middle East

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... iddle_east
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Rus nears completion of GLONASS constellation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12587238
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Russia has given India access to GLONASS right ?
I read an article once that mentioned that Russia had granted military type access to India
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U.S. Secret Service Uses Gaming Technology, 3D Modeling To Train For Incidents
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The agency's Security and Incident Modeling Lab wanted to update Tiny Town and create a more relevant and flexible training tool. With funding from DHS S&T, the Secret Service developed the Site Security Planning Tool (SSPT), a new training system dubbed "Virtual Tiny Town" by instructors, with high-tech features:

3D models and game-based virtual environments.
Simulated chemical plume dispersion for making and assessing decisions.
A touch interface to foster collaborative, interactive involvement by student teams.
A means to devise, configure, and test a security plan that is simple, engaging and flexible.
Both third- and first-person viewing perspectives for overhead site evaluation and for a virtual "walk-through" of the site, reflecting how it would be performed in the field.
The new technology consists of three kiosks, each composed of a 55-inch Perceptive Pixel touch screen with an attached projector and camera, and a computer running Virtual Battle Space (VBS2) as the base simulation game.

The kiosks can accommodate a team of up to four students, and each kiosk's synthetic environment, along with the team's crafted site security plan, can be displayed on a large wall-mounted LED 3D TV monitor for conducting class briefings and demonstrating simulated security challenges.

In addition to training new recruits, SSPT can also provide in-service protective details with advanced training on a range of scenarios, including preparation against chemical, biological or radiological attacks, armed assaults, suicide bombers and other threats.

Future enhancements to SSPT will include modeling the resulting health effects and crowd behaviors of a chemical, radiological or biological attack, to better prepare personnel for a more comprehensive array of scenarios and the necessary life-saving actions required to protect dignitaries and the public alike.

The Site Security Planning Tool development is expected to be completed and activated by spring 2011.
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Cross posting

Should one be concerned or not ?

The decision of GOI to send warships and tankers to the Libyan coast along with asking for landing rights for its military aircraft presumably to evict the nearly 30,000 Indians stranded in Libya merits more thought than is evident outright.Another thing is how China managed to evict nearly twice the number already.The chinese utilised all the civilian aircraft and vessels immediately available,to do the job.These aircraft and vessels were not all under the chinese flag.Their primary concern were of civilian safety and they did their job fast and efficiently.

Now lets see what India is doing.It despatched warships and tankers that would reach Libya probably in middle of March.And has *asked* for 'landing rights' for *military* aircraft to airlift all Indians.I do not know how unpressurised cargo holds of transport planes can carry people.Why cant India use civilian flights that are available even now to evict the indians if they are so concerned ? That would have been much faster and more efficient.

There seems to be a bigger picture being played out under the guise of eviction of the hapless indian citizens . Are the Indian forces being sent to be a part of the US led NATO armada being amassed in the North African coast ? Is this a litmus test for India to 'prove' itself to the americans by being part of the largely American presence being built up ? Is it going to play with the safety of the Indians stranded there ? Is the GOI trying to have its cake and eat it too ?
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^^^
i guess you are over analysing the situation. 2 military transports can carry much more people than 2 civilian aircrafts a day. Ships can carry ten folds, and military ships are faster than civilian variants.

India never pokes its nose into other countries business. We (govt) cant justify it to the people of India. We cant afford it.
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Cybaru wrote:f-16 got to close to a b-1b bomber..

http://gizmodo.com/5752983/this-is-what ... o-a-bomber
The guy who supposedly piloted one of the two bombers put this up:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cObcd4v5 ... r_embedded
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Kailash wrote:Unidentified country orders Scottish PicoSAR radar

Now who might this be?
Got the answer - An Australian company - Insitu - is buying it for their UAVs

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Russia's new secret weapon... inflatable tanks
In a workshop in Moscow's suburb Khotkovo, employees of inflatable equipment company Rusbal sew the fabric used to create fake weapons for their main customer -- the Russian army
"From the height of a 10-storey building, if a real tank and a false one stand side by side, they make almost no difference.

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Jurnos are sensationalising a normal inflatable decoys , as if its some secret weapon developed at Armaz-16 :lol:
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IF these decoys are able to look and FEEL like the real stuff, it is quite an achievement. Mimicking signatureS should be a task, I would imagine.
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M-GRIN Aims to Push Specialized Optics Manufacturing to New Level
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“In the past century, every component of an optical system has become lighter and smaller, except the optics,” said Stefanie Tompkins, DARPA program manager. “The impact of smaller, lighter optics on anything used to focus light, from contact lenses and corneal implants to lasers and solar arrays would be enormous.”

Among the recent advances in GRIN lenses is a method for fabricating them from layers of polymer, creating a lens that can control the light within the lens along arbitrary paths, so the light no longer needs to travel in straight lines. “GRIN optics can be shaped to fit a system, rather than making the system conform to the optics, resulting in reduced size, weight and assembly cost. For the first time, manufacture of just a few custom lenses can be made at any point during a high-volume run without increasing the unit cost.” said Tompkins.

The new GRIN fabrication technology lends itself naturally to flexible and inexpensive manufacturing techniques, and the program seeks to develop a manufacturing capability while advancing GRIN lens design and fabrication technology. M-GRIN will make maximum use of commercial manufacturing capabilities (both technology and business models) and lend itself to a distributed manufacturing model, where design is separate from fabrication, and the fabrication steps themselves are simple enough to be done at different locations without a loss in yield. Developers will be able to rapidly design, prototype and test new systems throughout the development process. In addition, providing the tools for manufacturable GRIN optics will expand the reach of GRIN lens design and fabrication methods beyond current optics application space.
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Singapore soldier 'remorseful' over maid backpack gaffe
A Singaporean soldier who was pictured with a maid carrying his backpack has identified himself to his commander and undergone counselling, officials say.
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Ankit Desai wrote:Russia's new secret weapon... inflatable tanks
In a workshop in Moscow's suburb Khotkovo, employees of inflatable equipment company Rusbal sew the fabric used to create fake weapons for their main customer -- the Russian army
"From the height of a 10-storey building, if a real tank and a false one stand side by side, they make almost no difference.

Ankit
Wish some Indian corporates do a technology transfer and make these on a large scale for Indian defense forces.
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weapons of the weaker party.
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kit wrote: There seems to be a bigger picture being played out under the guise of eviction of the hapless indian citizens . Are the Indian forces being sent to be a part of the US led NATO armada being amassed in the North African coast ? Is this a litmus test for India to 'prove' itself to the americans by being part of the largely American presence being built up ? Is it going to play with the safety of the Indians stranded there ? Is the GOI trying to have its cake and eat it too ?
Let us use Occam's Razor to your hypothesis. What is more likely; India being embroiled in some clandestine operation as part of the NATO effort in Libya in order to "prove" its worth to some French/Brit Commander in charge of this foolish NATO op or in the finest tradition of their predecessors Indian bureaucrats have once again been caught with their pants down and have resorted to playing pass on the parcel with their "files" while the ordinary Indian is forced to fend for himself yet again ?? :wink:

Let's not forget that the Chinese have one of the most efficient bureaucracies in the world thanks to their Confucian approach to administration. Plus, the added benefit of hanging token corrupt officials every once in a while makes them more receptive to the populace. Thus their deft and rapid effort to negotiate passage with third parties and the Libyan government to get their people out as fast as possible by whatever means necessary. The Chinese were able to negotiate with Libya's neighbors to allow them to take some of their citizens and then flew them out of there, while the SDRE Indian has to carry his VIP suitcase on his head through the desert dodging artillery and mortars to meet an uncertain welcome at a foreign border crossing . :roll:
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Newsweek : US Military's Greatest Shame

This is pretty disturbing but I suspect it is a pretty widespread phenomena that is not confined to only the US Military. I wonder how prevalent this kind of thing is the Indian military with 1 million plus regular soldiers and another million odd paramilitary forces ?

It's ironic how they blame the victim irrespective of whether it is a man or a woman. A woman is blamed for "asking for it", the man is blamed for being "too weak". I wonder if the abuse is more one-on-one or if it more group-on-one in this case when compared to women.
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Ajatshatru wrote:'Aircraft carrier: A mind-boggling building job'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12308437
This part was amusing:

The former deputy chairman of Babcock - which is part of the ACA - Lord Hesketh resigned in November after describing the project as a "disaster".

He told the BBC the carriers could have been built for a fraction of the cost at a shipyard in South Korea and claims the project only went ahead in its present form because of the number of jobs it preserved.
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Why Our Best Officers Are Leaving

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... ving/8346/

No, our best officers are not running off: 4 officers respond to that Atlantic article

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... tic_articl


Hey, that Atlantic article was right!: The best officers do seem to be fleeing

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... be_fleeing
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http://bcove.me/lws4571p

Russian tank battle
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RAF has taken delivery of its first A330 tanker

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RAF's Voyager arrives in UK as largest in its history


The largest RAF aircraft in history has arrived in the UK for the first time.

The new tanker and transport plane - named the Voyager - is almost 60m (197ft) long and has a 60m wingspan.

It is twice the size of a Lancaster bomber and will replace the VC-10 and Tristar aircraft. The RAF has bought 14 Voyagers and the first is expected to be in service by the end of the year.

The plane arrived at the MoD's airfield at Boscombe Down, Wiltshire, where further trails will be carried out.

The Voyager, a converted Airbus A330-200 airliner, can carry 291 troops for more than 6,000 miles (9,656km).

It can refuel another aircraft in the air with 100,000 litres of fuel, more than the amount contained by two large petrol tankers.

The Ministry of Defence said it can refuel at a rate of 5,000 litres per minute, compared with a pump at a garage that delivers fuel at 40 litres per minute.
'Important milestone'

Peter Luff, Minister for Defence Equipment, Support and Technology, said: "The arrival of the first Voyager aircraft in the UK marks an important milestone in the process that will see the Royal Air Force equipped with the best available air-to-air refuelling capability, with the first due in service by the end of the year.

"Recent events in Libya and ongoing requirement for air-to-air refuelling over Afghanistan clearly demonstrate the essential role that air-to-air refuelling plays in getting our aircraft to where they are needed."

Fourteen Voyager aircraft are being provided to the RAF under a 27-year, £10.5bn private finance initiative contract signed with the AirTanker consortium in 2008. The plane and its parts are being manufactured and assembled in France, Germany, Spain and the UK.

One of the Voyagers arrived at Boscombe Down on Monday, and two of the planes will be based there during an intensive programme of testing that will continue into next year.

Air Vice Marshal Phil Osborn, Air Officer Commanding 2 Group, said: "Over the next few years the Voyager will join the versatile A400M transport, C-17 strategic airlifter and well-proven Hercules transport aircraft to form an RAF fleet that can handle any task that comes its way in the future.

"I look forward to a successful trials programme that will keep the aircraft on track for delivery at the earliest opportunity."

The arrival of the Voyager comes as the armed forces face budget cuts and job losses over the next four years.

Under the strategic defence review announced last year, the RAF is to lose 5,000 jobs, with 1,020 going by September.

In addition, the Harrier jump jet and Nimrod reconnaissance planes will be scrapped, and some air force bases will close.
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Newsweek : US Military's Greatest Shame
This kind of thing is bloody rampant in all militaries.

and not unheard of in indian engineering institute hostels as well as part of 'ragging'
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there is a recent hindi film 'hostel' which looks at hostel bullying and crime. pretty brutal one I might warn.
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Acharya wrote:http://bcove.me/lws4571p

Russian tank battle
Pardon me but with all sincerity what is this ?
Its like Tank Opera and synchronised dancing and they seem to point their guns really high like AAA
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D Roy wrote: This kind of thing is bloody rampant in all militaries.

and not unheard of in indian engineering institute hostels as well as part of 'ragging'
The sad thing is this kind of events can't really be fought off by an individual soldier who is targeted for what ever reason - color of his skin, how his face looks, lack of ability/skill, attitude etc, take your pick. A group of 4-5 soldiers vs 1 soldiers even if he is very physically competent stands no chance because even his attackers are pretty physically fit.

The fact that this has been happening since WW2 in the US military is "scary" to say the least. In the Indian Army, I doubt even a single soldier be it jawan or general will come forward to admit a similar kind of abuse.
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This kind of thing is bloody rampant in all militaries.
and not unheard of in indian engineering institute hostels as well as part of 'ragging'
IN had cleaned up their engg college at INS Shivaji big-time of these "hazing/ragging" incidents after a cadet died during one such midnight dunking session in a toilet....

Not sure about the IAF and IA...
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Re: International Military Discussion

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The other side of the Air War College story: Some profs avoid researching or teaching about our current wars

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... or_teachin
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