Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2011

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Feb 2011 18:22

VikramS wrote:In my view, the US desperately trying to hold on to whatever influence it has with TSP. More so it is trying to keep the CCP out.

If so, then the Raymond Davis arrest would not have had even the President of the US issue a statement. The whole thing would have played very differently.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Feb 2011 19:22

TSP should start attaching to their Embassy all the LeT and Al Q operatives they have in US. Aasia would never have seen the US jail.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Feb 2011 20:00

I get the feeling that Ombaba has mismanaged relations with Pakistan.

This Raymond Davis episode would probably not have happened under another president.

Too much pontification and hollowness otherwise tends to blow up in one's face. Otherwise, the pakistanis are not only doing a

to ombaba even after him mentioning RD and personally intervening, but the Pakistanis are complicating the case so that a dead end has been reached.

Meanwhile, everyone is $crewing everybody in Pakistan. The ISI and Kiyani want to $crew Zardari with this. Nawaz Sharif wants to $crew Zardari and the Army. Zardari would have expressed his helplessness to the US rightly claiming that he is stuck with the Pakistani public on one side and Nawaz and Kiyani on the other and with the US bearing down on him, he will be $crewed if he makes any move, let alone a false move.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Feb 2011 20:44

RajeshA wrote:When the Americans first started taking Pakistani complaints and requests into account, it was there and then that the downward slide began in America's effectiveness in controlling the war theater.

The first solid instance which was a turning point was the Kunduz airlift. If all the yahoos there were sent to Gitmo or bombed to pieces, Pakis would be a different Pakis now (for their own good).

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 22 Feb 2011 20:46

Court martial of 7 men in Pak Army HQ attack case

Islamabad, Feb 22 (PTI) The Pakistani military is conducting the court martial of seven men charged with involvement in a terrorist attack on the army?s headquarters in the garrison city of Rawalpindi in 2009, a defence lawyer has said.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 22 Feb 2011 20:56

Rocket attack kills 6 near Hangu: Police

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 22 Feb 2011 22:47

A_Gupta:

That RD comment is interesting. So entire drama is being staged to embellish the image of the TSPA?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Feb 2011 22:58

Anujan, In retrospect or Monday morning quarterbacking, Kunduz airlift is what ensured the current state of terrorist affairs in TSP. Willingly they swallowed the poison of Islamist terrorism (halahal) and there was nobody to keep it from being ingested in TSP society.

If Kunduz airlift had not happened the current state of affairs in TSP would not be there.

Gagan, One has to deal with the reality and not blame secondary facotrs. TSP is the root cause and needs to change if it wants to survive.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Feb 2011 00:56

shravan wrote:Court martial of 7 men in Pak Army HQ attack case

Islamabad, Feb 22 (PTI) The Pakistani military is conducting the court martial of seven men charged with involvement in a terrorist attack on the army?s headquarters in the garrison city of Rawalpindi in 2009, a defence lawyer has said.

Knowing the pakistanis, one can be 400% sure these guys on trial are JCOs/NCO rank people who are on trail for being alive when people of the Officer cadre got killed in the hostage crisis there.
A few officers were killed, IIRC a Brigadier and a General rank officer.
These poor suckers are probably being castigated for not giving up / risking their lives to save the punjabi officer's arses.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 Feb 2011 01:38

VikramS wrote:A_Gupta:

That RD comment is interesting. So entire drama is being staged to embellish the image of the TSPA?

I don't fully know the Pakistani motivations. But if the US was desperate to keep influence in Pakistan it would have done things differently. Let's see, however, if they turn over Aafia Siddiqui - that might indicate a desperation.

AKalam · Post by **AKalam** » 23 Feb 2011 02:06

What is becoming apparent from the wave in West Asia is the key role the armed forces play in subverting people's interest, propping up kingdoms and dictators and at the same time colluding and cooperating with foreign powers.

Considering the role PA played in the subcontinent and in global terrorism, since it came into existence as 1/3 of the British Indian Army in 1947, I think a close scrutiny is warranted, from its genesis in 1857 and its current status today. Are they the other left over Brown Shahib institution, whose descendants still dominate the political and military leadership scene in the subcontinent?

PA's offshoot and little child, Bangladesh Army, also played an anti people role, which seems to have diminished since 1991, after the overthrow of Ershad, but some seeds remain, which in times of trouble resurface, like they did between 2007-2008 during the 2 years long caretaker rule.

I was old enough in 1971 to remember the atrocities. Seeing what I have seen, I can say that funding of 9/11 is definitely not far-fetched for PA or its ISI wing. Perhaps a good strategy is to find ways to isolate this institution and its off-shoots, within Pakistan and in the region, from the civilian population in Pakistan, targeting its leadership role and prestige that it enjoys among Pakistan public. In the long term, only a sufficiently effective democracy, led by a civil society and a political class that is more powerful than and as a result not subservient to the Pakistan Armed forces will be able to break the cycle of self-defeating policies of the Pakistani state, which is harmful not just for Pakistan, but for the subcontinent region as a whole.

RajeshA ji's, land for terror is just one idea, I am not sure how feasible it is, but the point raised is important, that it is PA that is subverting Pakistani national interest, with the excuse of Kashmir or Afghanistan, fanning up the flames of Islamism, deliberately obfuscating the fact that Pakistani national interest is intimately and organically tied with subcontinental interest, just as it is in the case of Bangladesh.

Pakistan may break into pieces over time (or it may not), but the situation in 1971 was different for the obvious and simple reason that the Eastern wing was far away connected only by air and sea. Instead of passively wishing and hoping for an eventuality of a broken Pakistan that may or may not happen (since an active role can be counter productive), IMHO, it is a better strategy to proactively chip away the colored glasses that PA sells to the Pakistan public and eventually reduce PA's role at the helm controlling the direction of the Paksitani state, following the Bangladesh model, although context, history and situations are different. How it can be done is up for debate. My personal opinion is that it can be done with strengthening and empowering the civil society (read facebook, twitter etc.) so that it can eventually overthrow the PA as the key institution that controls the state. It may not happen in a few years, but in a decade it may be ripe for more democratization wave as we see in ME today. Fall of Musharraf was the first step in the right direction, more steps are needed to sideline the PA further. In this strategy, both India and the US may find common ground as it will counter terrorism and PRC influence at the same time.

The focus on PA is in line with the focus of PLA/CPC combine for PRC, which China watchers (neighboring nations and world powers), threatened by a hostile rise of PRC, need to concentrate on, rather than targeting the people who are sometimes beneficiary, but more often the victims of non representative regimes, regimes they are powerless to change for the time being.

Just my naive and simple take.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 23 Feb 2011 02:59

amirkhans are no match for pakis. Pakis have fine tuned the art of fooling massa. Westerners generally have a problem understanding that when somebody says they will do something, they only say so and won't do it and its perfectly alright with them. And by the time the amirkhan comes around to understanding this, either the situation is changed, the paki has gone, massa president and policy has changed etc etc. And a new round of fooling starts.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Feb 2011 03:12

Well said. Pakis can teach Taqqiya to PUBH while stealing his takia.

James B · Post by **James B** » 23 Feb 2011 04:43

Look, who is calling Raymond Davis a terrorist

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 23 Feb 2011 05:57

RajeshA wrote:When the Americans first started taking Pakistani complaints and requests into account, it was there and then that the downward slide began in America's effectiveness in controlling the war theater.

Let's not forget that Mushy was promised that the NA wouldn't enter Kabul.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Feb 2011 06:13

Visa policy softened for Pakistanis: UK ministe

The British government has softened its visa policy for Pakistan to give more opportunities to Pakistani nationals and businessmen to visit the United Kingdom.

“We want the brightest and best Pakistanis to come to UK,” said Minister for Immigration Damian Green at a press conference with Interior Minister Rehman Malik here on Tuesday.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Feb 2011 06:16

Pakistan,Mauritius to boost bilateral trade

ISLAMABAD, Feb 22 (APP): Pakistan and Mauritius enjoy mutual cultural and linguistic bonds, majority of the Mauritius population claim ancestral pedigree into the sub continent, paving the way for improved trade relations between the two countries.Federal Minister for Commerce Makhdoom Amin Fahim said during meeting with AP Neewoor, the Secretary Foreign Affairs of Mauritius,who, along with a six-member delegation from Mauritius, called on him here in his office Tuesday.The delegation has arrived in Pakistan to participate in the 9th round of Pakistan-Mauritius Joint Working Group (JWG) meeting, says a statement issued by the Ministry of Commerce.
Makhdoom Amin Fahim expressed that despite substantial concessions provided in the PTA (Preferential Trade Agreement), the business community is not benefiting.
He stressed the need for creating awareness among the business communities and exporters of the two countries regarding the PTA.
The emphasis should be on awareness and to expand the existing market to utilize the potential of the PTA to the fullest.
The visiting Secretary informed, Pakistani dramas and Pakistani culture is popular in Mauritius and if Pakistani tourists started visiting Mauritius, they will find it a second home.
Mr. Neewoor also showed interest in cooperation with Pakistani IT (Information Technology) and higher education sectors.
Pakistan and Mauritius has singed at PTA in 2007 and the trade volume between the two countries in 2009-10 remained $28.203 million, including exports from Pakistan $27.506 million.
Pakistan mainly exports rice, cereals, fruits and cotton to Mauritius,while imports pulp and ore of iron etc.
The 9th round of JWG would focuss on discussions about the ways and means for increasing bilateral trade, impact analysis of PTA Trade in services sector.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Feb 2011 06:21

Incentives to help boost remittances to Pakistan

Pakistan expects a leap in remittances from its expatriates living the UAE this year due to incentives and appreciation offered for remitting the money through legal channels.

The remittances will reach at least $3.2 billion (Dh11.74 billion) in 2011, an increase of at least $1.2 billion over last year's figure of $2 billion, a top diplomat told Gulf News yesterday.

A Pakistani Government programme launched in January 2010 to encourage overseas Pakistanis to send money through legal channels has started making an impact, Jamil Ahmad Khan, Pakistan Ambassador to the UAE, said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Feb 2011 07:05

Brad What that means is Pakis/RAPE will use Mauritius to route investment into India.

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 23 Feb 2011 08:27

ramana wrote:Brad What that means is Pakis/RAPE will use Mauritius to route investment into India.

How?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Feb 2011 08:57

^^^ The usual way, I'd think.

IMVVHO, aamchi Yindia tolerates plenty of tax loss for investments routed through Mauritius (which has very low tax rates relative to India) largely because benami black monies belonging to scams and assorted loot from our own netas and babus gets laundered and re-routed via that no-questions route.

I'm sure the babooze are aware of Pak malintentions w.r.t. the Mauritius route and have told Mauritius in no uncertain terms this is unacceptable to Dilli etc etc.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Feb 2011 10:25

State Dept: CIA or not, Davis still has immunity

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... s_immunity

QUESTION: If these reports [that] are emerging from the New York Times and Washington Post are true that he was a member of the CIA. Does diplomatic immunity become void then?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The only relevant question is: Was he notified as a member of the administrative and technical staff upon entry to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? And the answer to that question was yes. At that point, he acquired privileges and immunities.

When someone enters our country, if that person is notified as a member of the administrative and technical staff of a diplomatic mission that's the end of the story on that side. Our options then become to either declare the person not acceptable and facilitate their departure or to work with them in their capacity as administrative and technical staff.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Feb 2011 10:29

U.S.-TALIBAN TALKS: Steve Coll

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2 ... _talk_coll

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Feb 2011 11:01

Pakistan to maintain its minimum Deterrence

Old video but Secure Pakistan is a dream project of Pakis

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Feb 2011 11:02

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan,Mauritius to boost bilateral trade

That's interesting.

Until a few years ago Mauritius didn't have much of an economy other than tourism which was doing quite alright.

But then the businessmen in India discovered that Black Money could be channeled through Mauritius to invest in the stock market and show it as FDI / FII money and escape tax on it. So mauritius' economy is booming along with India, so much so that Mauritius constantly features amongst the top 5 or top 3 investors in India !!!

But what can Pakistan gain with trade / investments from Mauritius? No sane Pakistani or outsider is going to put money in Pakistan via mauritius.

Some how there seem to be only two possibilities,
1. Some how the karachi bhai's want to use this to transfer money in & out of Pakistan and into India - a sort of Hawala thingie.
2. Cheena biladhel is somehow trying to get a foothold there, since mauritius is considered to be 'indian influenced'

Mauritius is too far away from Pakistan or India to be a viable 'IT' hotspot from pakistan's POV.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Feb 2011 11:10

At least 14 injured in grenade attack in NW Pakistan

ISLAMABAD, Feb. 22 (Xinhua) -- At least 14 people were injured Tuesday in a grenade attack in Pakistan's northwestern city of Peshawar, police sources said.

It was the second bomb attack of the day. Hours earlier, a roadside bomb explosion killed two troops and injured four others in the country's southwestern port of Gwadar.

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kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 23 Feb 2011 11:34

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/w ... 744489.htm

U.S. shooter starts hunger strike in Pakistani prison

"Shooter." Nice description by Chinese. In AoA, what first A denotes, is it Allah or America.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Feb 2011 12:39

The Union Minister for Petroleum and Natural Gas, Shri Jaipal Reddy at the bilateral meeting with the, Minister for Water and Power, Pakistan, Mr. Raja Parvez Ashraf, on the sidelines of Extraordinary Ministerial meeting of International Energy Forum (IEF) on Physical and Financial Markets' Linkages and Energy Markets' Regulations, at Riyadh on February 22, 2011.

http://pib.nic.in/release/phsmall.asp?phid=33860

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Feb 2011 13:42

kmkraoind wrote: "Shooter." Nice description by Chinese. In AoA, what first A denotes, is it Allah or America.

Allah o Akbar

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Feb 2011 13:49

abhishek_sharma wrote:U.S.-TALIBAN TALKS: Steve Coll

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2 ... _talk_coll

Hmmmm.. interesting

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 23 Feb 2011 14:10

shiv wrote:
kmkraoind wrote: "Shooter." Nice description by Chinese. In AoA, what first A denotes, is it Allah or America.
Allah o Akbar

For me its, Assslam-o-Alaikum

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Feb 2011 15:04

Narad wrote:
shiv wrote:
Allah o Akbar
For me its, Assslam-o-Alaikum

In fact you may be right. Sounds more like it - I was guessing.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 23 Feb 2011 15:16

Raymond Davis 'was acting head of CIA in Pakistan' - The Telegraph

Raymond Davis, a 36-year-old former special forces soldier, had taken command after the CIA station chief's cover was blown, according to reports.

Maybe thats why Eye-Ass-Eye abduls were following him relentlessly. Their former demonstration of "tactical brilliance" in exposing former CIA station head lead to a strong urge in their musharrafs to expose the new one. But incidentally, the new chief was more TFTA and inherently more "martial " than the pakis themselves.

Ya aarrah

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Feb 2011 15:28

What? Contractors are now station chiefs of CIA, esp in ground zero places like Pak?

Is CIA so short staffed and stretched?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Feb 2011 15:48

deniability, easier to wash hands off bad deeds.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Feb 2011 15:53

It seems likely that the earlier statement made by Raymond Davis, that he was a consultant at US Consulate, could have been simply to protect himself. If he was say a Regional Officer of CIA, and all sorts of people get to know of such information, then his life could have been in jeopardy.

It is more likely that this a CIA ISI War coming into the open! I do wonder if the process in USA against ISI for its involvement with Mumbai 26/11 has anything to do with it, or perhaps CIA has putting pressure on the Pakistani Establishment in some other way!

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 23 Feb 2011 15:56

This puts many pieces together. Now we can understand why the backup van that killed the passerby, was so desperate to rescue RD. GOTUS suspending all high level contacts with pakis. And more so, TSPAs frustration and its resolve of not letting RD get out so easily.

Maybe pakis are to be blamed themselves. They should have not blown the covers off former St head. But as we all know they had to do something to save their falling H&D after (Balbir) pasha was summoned by US court for being accused of 26/11. This tit for tat urge to do an == with CIA is literally coming back to bite their own a$$.

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Feb 2011 16:07

Singha wrote:deniability, easier to wash hands off bad deeds.

But that would severly hit morale of serving CIA folks?

It would be 1000x worse case than the RAS officers who feel slighted by IPS log coming on deputation and lording over key posts in R&AW!!

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 23 Feb 2011 16:09

The telegraph is full of it. From all that's out in the open, Raymond Davis was providing security for the CIA operatives. He's only been with the CIA for less than 5 years and he's an acting station chief? And the acting station chief was providing security for people who were reporting to him?

Right...

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Feb 2011 16:16

Yup...guess better to ignore it and treat the White Pacqui paper like any Paki rag is treated.