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“There can be no peace if a billion-plus people are discontented,” said Mr. Ambani speaking in Delhi at the annual meeting of the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce & Industry. “The India story is unsustainable…without including these millions in our progress.”
The magnate, whose businesses cover the gamut from oil and gas exploration to grocery shops, urged fairly similar prescriptions for uniting India to what we’ve heard already: better education, industrialization and an improved rural economy.
He agreed that India needed to become an economy that draws a quarter of its gross domestic product from manufacturing, but said that India should go in for a certain kind of manufacturing.
“I genuinely believe India is very good at complex manufacturing,” said Mr. Ambani, “And this really can employ a bulk of our people.”
The budget projects 14 per cent nominal GDP growth in 2011-12. That’s lower than the almost standard 14.5 per cent. If growth is going to be 9 per cent, a figure also endorsed by the PM’s Economic Advisory Council, GDP deflator-based inflation is 5 per cent. That’s too low. Inflation is no longer a food price issue. It extends to manufacturing and petroleum products too. Thus, a GDP deflator-based inflation of 6.5 per cent is more likely and the budget probably tacitly accepts slowdown in growth to 8 per cent, if not 7.5 per cent.
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The budget must become irrelevant. Taxes and expenditure must both become predictable and standardised, with no yearly variations. Once that happens, budgets can become public documents, debated in public before the Finance Bill is passed. That’s what happens in many developed countries. Unlike transient vagaries of Indra, we then rely on a more permanent Lakshmi. But for that to occur, FMs must let go and eliminate discretion.
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Not only are we reluctant to let go of discretion in taxation, we are reluctant to let go on expenditure too. The public expenditure efficiency case would have been far more convincing had there been a ZBB (zero-based budgeting) of schemes and ministries/ departments and if we had been told what was found when 62 government departments undertook the Programme Monitoring and Evaluation System. Does the Centre need to decide salaries of Anganwadi workers, regardless of location?
It’s not that there are no trees in this budget — there is self-certification for customs, there are infrastructure debt funds, amendment to the Stamp Act, FII investment in mutual funds and budgetary reporting for SC and tribal sub-plans. There are 13,889 words in the budget speech. It meanders and loses focus. It is not clear what the big picture is. The wood is so large, sprawling and extensive that one tends to miss the trees. But perhaps that is what was intended.
The author most likely got it from this report.somnath wrote:these assumptions are as heroic as those of Modern Portfolio Theory..How does he know what the composition is for this year? I would in fact expect bulk of the payments for the big ticket items in pipeline (Gorshkov, Phalcon, the new Krivaks) to have happened...Depending on the scheduling in any given year, the composition would change..But it would be a mistake to assume that all of Capital Expenditure goes towards acquisition. As a rough yardstick, only three-fourths of the capital expenditure budget goes towards capital acquisition. Out of that acquisition budget, 60% would already be due out as payment for committed liabilities. That leaves around (0.40*0.75=0.30) i.e. 30% of the capital budget available for new defence purchases
Yet again, the tax paying middle-class of India has been left holding the bag. No amount of credit to the farmers can result in higher yields and better productivity. It'll just sweep more savings into kitty of NPAs as much of these farmer loans are never repaid. And 'right to food' ? Really? We were all thought that we have to work hard to earn our bread, guess thats a wrong principle to hold. Let the middle-class be doomed with 20% food inflation, 'right to food' will ensure more vote bank freebies.Thus, Pranab Mukherjee had no difficulty announcing a R1 lakh crore rise in the credit to be made available to farmers through additional pumping of liquidity in the banking system, a 3% interest subvention for those farmers who repay loans on time—making the effective rate of interest 4%—and an increase in R3,000 crore worth of government equity in Nabard. This was perhaps the biggest idea of this Budget.
Likely..But to extrapolate on the basis of a single year's "recurring liability" estimate a "typical" trend, as also the fact that only 75% of the budget is "used" - its a bit rich...Richest of course is the estimate of high turnover....ShauryaT wrote:The author most likely got it from this report
Ambar-ji, that is incredibly insensitive to say, and above all, economically daft as well...First of all, you are completely wrong in assuming that availability of credit isnt important for farming - it is perhaps the single most important variable (aside of the monsoons) - study after study has brought that out....Second, we found out during the WTO negotiations on agriultural tariffs that the net subsidy afforded to Indian farmers is incredibly low, ia minute fraction of the percentage (mind you, percentage, not amount) given to farmers in the West...Last, the author makes an absolute ass of himself by arguing against equity infusion in NABARD - NABARD is essentially a refinance (for rural banks/institutions) cum regulatory-cum-consulting organisation that is incredibly profitable..By expnding equity, the govt is only increasing the capacity of NBARD to scale up...As a perspective, you might want to check the relative size of NABARD against Agricultural Bank of China (the nearest Chinese equivalent)...about NPAs, farm NPAs are a small proportion of banking NPAs..A slightly dated report should give you the perspective..Ambar wrote:Yet again, the tax paying middle-class of India has been left holding the bag. No amount of credit to the farmers can result in higher yields and better productivity. It'll just sweep more savings into kitty of NPAs as much of these farmer loans are never repaid. And 'right to food' ? Really? We were all thought that we have to work hard to earn our bread, guess thats a wrong principle to hold. Let the middle-class be doomed with 20% food inflation, 'right to food' will ensure more vote bank freebies
About Right to Food, you are being more than insensitive by arguing against the concept of making affordable food available to a large part of the populatin..Now India's exact poverty numbers may be a matter of debate, but the fact that there are hundreds of millions of poor isnt up for debate..Our HDI indicators show that, and even Surjit Bhalla would accept that..How exactly to achieve the objective is a matter of debate - and there is a vigorous debate on - but the fact that something needs to be done to ensure that children dont go hungry is as important in political economy terms as it is in pure economic terms..the amount of corporate sector NPAs written off by public sector banks in the past five years at Rs 20,532 crore is five times that of NPAs written off in the agriculture sector at Rs 4,436 crore.
The 2.34% is just the allocated portion and in many years due to the misplaced procurement policies, the actual spend is close to 2% of GDP. Imagine, with all our threats, two fricking % - shame and the nation will pay for this continued sin with her blood, honor and maybe her land.The increase in defence budget from Rs.147,344 crore (Rs 1,473.44 billion) in fiscal 2010-11 to 164,415 crore (Rs 1,644.15 billion) in fiscal 2011-12, reflects a gain of 11.59%.
In real terms, if one looks at the inflation, there is no increase in the Budget.
In fiscal 2010-11, the defence budget allocations were approximately 2.34 per cent of the gross domestic product and in fiscal 2011-12 with the rising GDP they almost remain the same.
You might not be aware of the PSE Index that is brought out by OECD to measure farm support/subsidy..India's PSE is WAY (with a capital W) below any other WEstern country - and that includes both direct and indirect subsidies...You dont want to believe in stats, but form a logic in absence of it? For an estimate of farm sector NPAs, you can also refer to NPAs of regional rural banks or farm sector data released by the major PSU banks - the numbers are not horrendous, not by any stretch..The debate with farm support in India is really of distribution, not of quantum...So should fertilizer subsidy go to fertiliser companies? Or should fertiliser subsidy be nutrient-based? Or should power subsidy be as a cash transfer or as free power, or as a graded pricing policy?Ambar wrote:Somnath, you are not considering the interest rate difference and indirect subsidies that the farmers get. Besides, 1:5 comparison of NPA figures hardly matters as agriculture makes up less than 1/5th of our economy. I always take statistics with a grain of salt, and i find it hard to believe that they have less than 1 billion$ in agriculture NPAs in the last half a decade.
One can cite equally egregious examples for the "middle class tax paying guy" - why should the LPG he uses be subsidised so much..Why should the diesel/petrol (latter less so now) he uses to drive his car be subsidised so much? Why should his education in Delhi Uni be priced @ 3000 rupees/year (or some number like that)...Why was an IIT degree available for 26k/year till a few years back? Or an IIM degree for 1.5 lac (total) till very recently? Why is the AIIMS MBBS available for 10k/year? For that matter, why indeed should there be so many exemptions in direct taxes - both income and corporate?Ambar wrote:When a salaried, taxpaying, middleclass guy has to shell out 40Rs /kilo of rice, and the same rice is distributed at 3Rs/kilo to another section of the society is a good way of creating permanent nanny-state which we can ill afford. A cab driver who might well be earning a 4 times the money of a grade-2 clerk would be eligible for 'right to food', where as a tax paying clerk with quarter of an income will sweat bullets to buy a handful of grain. We all know how well and how fair the socialistic 'food societies' functioned for a good part of our nation's existence.We don't need another one to drain the exchequer.
This is a false analogy. Food is used by all classes all of the time, yet it is priced differently by government entities that determine "class". Other than fuel, the other "subsidies" have much less weight.One can cite equally egregious examples for the "middle class tax paying guy" - why should the LPG he uses be subsidised so much..Why should the diesel/petrol (latter less so now) he uses to drive his car be subsidised so much? Why should his education in Delhi Uni be priced @ 3000 rupees/year (or some number like that)...Why was an IIT degree available for 26k/year till a few years back? Or an IIM degree for 1.5 lac (total) till very recently? Why is the AIIMS MBBS available for 10k/year? For that matter, why indeed should there be so many exemptions in direct taxes - both income and corporate?
The list will be very very long indeed...
How can one conscientously argue against food subsidy for the poor while pocketing 1.4 lac crores worth of income tax exemptions?Other than fuel, the other "subsidies" have much less weight.
Shaurya,ShauryaT wrote:The 2.34% is just the allocated portion and in many years due to the misplaced procurement policies, the actual spend is close to 2% of GDP. Imagine, with all our threats, two fricking % - shame and the nation will pay for this continued sin with her blood, honor and maybe her land.
I can understand folks arguing about delivery mechanisms, leakage of the system, corruption and the rationalities of some schemes. But I'm stumped that one can argue against the basic assumption of social sector spending for the poor!somnath wrote:People forget a fundamental point - without social cohesion and peace, no economic progress is possible...And access to minimum needs is a right of all citizens......Food (and health and education) are the needs that need to be ensured...And it cannot be left to the "market"...
It is the government that determines what equal opportunity is. The central government and several states have failed to provide the basics since independence. What makes you think it can happen now?The question for "equal opportunity" is pertinent - how do you ensure equal opportunity without access to at least the basics?
No one is against food subsidies for the poor. It is the current methodology used which is flawed. The basics must be provided in rural areas. In urban areas, where there is significant cash and cash transactions, the opportunity to defraud the system is high and those who need the subsidies, as Ambar pointed out, don't get them.How can one conscientiously argue against food subsidy for the poor while pocketing 1.4 lac crores worth of income tax exemptions?
This is a red herring argument. You are suggesting that without subsidies there will be social unrest and that is false.People forget a fundamental point - without social cohesion and peace, no economic progress is possible...And access to minimum needs is a right of all citizens......Food (and health and education) are the needs that need to be ensured...And it cannot be left to the "market"...
Well, as someone (I forget who) said, lets try new ways...At least we will make new mistakes, rather than continuing on the old ways and continuing to make the same old mistakes that have defied solutions!Mort Walker wrote:The central government and several states have failed to provide the basics since independence. What makes you think it can happen now?
Agricultural land belongs to farmers. If they should chose not to crop there will be NO harvest. For instance about half of Kerala's farms sit uncultivated because the bribe to grow crops is not sufficient. This is essentially different from all other areas of a competitive economy.Ambar wrote:Somnath, you are not considering the interest rate difference and indirect subsidies that the farmers get. Besides, 1:5 comparison of NPA figures hardly matters as agriculture makes up less than 1/5th of our economy. I always take statistics with a grain of salt, and i find it hard to believe that they have less than 1 billion$ in agriculture NPAs in the last half a decade. Besides, unlike the corporate sector where liquefying the NPAs is much easier and politically less painful, touching agro NPAs is almost an impossible task. And remember, most of these loans go in for re-croping after crop failures and a very small % into better engineered agriculture.
The inability of reforms to generate enough employment is solely on account of underperformance of agriculture - all other sectors have exhibited good employment growth.somnath wrote:Why is it important? Well, because the development story in India in the last 20 years is marked by one big failure - inability of reforms to generate enough employment...In fact all variables, employment elasticity, employment growth and elasticity of poverty to PCI growth - have shown declines from the 1983-1993 period to the 1993-2004 period...Linked to that is a less-than-optimal result on poverty alleviation...Numbers vary, but the decline in India's poverty levels is still disproportionate to its achievements in tpline macro in the last 15 years...
There were supposed to be two outcomes - employment and asset creation. Given enough outlay for the program obviously getting the employment numbers is the easier part. Asset creation, as I pointed out earlier, still needs to be addressed.the conclusions are quite clear:
1. The impact on employment is clear, identified and unambiguous..
2. Leakages are less than what is widely estimated (15% ussage) for most public programmes.
3. The income multiplier of the expense is low, as Bibek Debroy and Surjit Bhalla would argue, but IMO that was never the objective in the first place...If the programme influences a material jump in employment elasticity of GDP growth (now at 0.32, down from 0.4), it would have achieved its purpose...
Sorry boss you've got this totally wrong. Globally competitive agriculture is machinery intensive not labour intensive.Arjun wrote:The first priority therefore should be to reform the agriculture sector to make it far, far more dynamic - and globally competitive. That would automatically bring up the rural employment figures, and reverse the load on the cities.
The first priority therefore should be to reform the agriculture sector to make it far, far more dynamic - and globally competitive. That would automatically bring up the rural employment figures, and reverse the load on the cities.
I should have said Agri-business sector, rather than agriculture sector. The latter would be a subset of the former. Agri-business would include areas like the farm inputs sector (seeds, fertilizers, pesticides); pure agriculture, plantations and cash crops; livestock; food processing; beverage production & cold chains for storage.amit wrote:Sorry boss you've got this totally wrong. Globally competitive agriculture is machinery intensive not labour intensive
Brazil has a very large and highly export-oriented agriculture sector. Point is the focus can be on being the best in all three sectors - having a very strong manufacturing or services sector is not mutually exclusive from having a very strong agri-business sector. Further since 50% or more of the population today depends on agriculture - the agri-business / food-processing sector is one that can create massive employment right there in rural locations, as opposed to more of the urban locations that manufacturing needs.Every single nation which has grown from being poor to being rich or well on the way to being rich, all the way from Japan, the Asian Dragons, China and now Vietnam, have gone through the same cycle.
And that is from being predominantly agricultural economies to being low cost, low end engineering and products manufacturing nations to eventually going up the value chain and producing more high end stuff, especially in the engineering sector and then eventually to a Services driven economy.
In India the missing link has been low cost, low end manufacturing which can potentially generate hundreds of thousands of jobs.
I am 100% bullish in pushing for a world-class manufacturing sector - but to sustain India's demographics one needs world class services, manufacturing and agri-business as well!A classic case is our textile sector. Why do you think that despite being one of the largest cotton producers and being virtually self-sufficient in machinery production and the availability of generous finance India's textile sector hasn't been able to scale up to China's levels? The reason is that export demand is seasonal in nature. As a result, say during the Christmas period demand could be three times as much as it is during the other times in the year. To be able to meet the demand Textile mills need to be allowed to temporarily ramp up employment and then reduce when the demand is gone. Our labour laws don't permit this kind of latitude. As a result you have many cases of folks being unemployed for 12 months of the year instead of being so for say 6-7 months in a year which flexibility in the laws would have permitted.
I agree we need manufacturing, agriculture and services to fire on all cylinders to achieve maximum growth.Arjun wrote:Brazil has a very large and highly export-oriented agriculture sector. Point is the focus can be on being the best in all three sectors - having a very strong manufacturing or services sector is not mutually exclusive from having a very strong agri-business sector. Further since 50% or more of the population today depends on agriculture - the agri-business / food-processing sector is one that can create massive employment right there in rural locations, as opposed to more of the urban locations that manufacturing needs.
Brazil is a leading producer and exporter of soybean, sugar, coffee, oranges, poultry, beef, and more recently ethanol. As a consequence, agricultural exports account for 40% of Brazil’s trade surplus, and agricultural production accounts for almost 6% of the GDP, while the entire agribusiness sector contributes to approximately 25% of the country’s gross domestic product (GDP).
This achievement has not been attained without a heavy price.
Agricultural growth in Brazil continues to occur under a matrix of extensive social inequality and environmental degradation. Brazil has one of the highest rates of inequality in dietary energy consumption, income, and land distribution in the world, as well as one of the highest rates of tropical deforestation that has occurred since the beginning of farming by humans circa 10,000 year ago. In our research we contrast the country’s agricultural system with its oppressive record of income and land inequalities and environmental degradation and discuss ways to reconcile economic, social, and environmental goals.
All of this comes from here. There's more, if you're interested.n terms of social equity, land distribution in Brazil remains highly skewed: the overall Gini coefficient (a measure of inequality, with high values representing greater inequality) is 0.77, but with a significant variety between crops. Staple foods like cassava and beans have significantly lower Gini coefficients than export crops like soy and sugarcane. Sugarcane has the highest agriculture land distribution Gini coefficient (0.88), {sugarcane is grown mainly for biofuels} and a recent study showed increased land concentration with sugar expansion in the State of São Paulo in the last decade.
Bottomline, I would hesitate to hold up Brazil as a shinning beacon of success of agriculture. Most of the success rests on ethanol production, which is I personally think a disaster for the soil and country which produces it and boom for fancy zero carbon economies like Germany. However, that's the subject for another debate.Brazil is a middle-income country and is rich in natural resources, but poverty levels and human development indicators in poor rural areas are comparable to those in the poorest countries of Latin America. In the country as a whole, about 35 per cent of the population lives in poverty, on less than two dollars a day. But in Brazil’s rural areas poverty affects about 51 per cent of the population.
Since approximately 19 per cent of the total population, or about 36 million people, live in rural areas, this means that Brazil has about 18 million poor rural people, the largest number in the Western Hemisphere. And Brazil’s North-East region has the single largest concentration of rural poverty in Latin America. The North-East is the country’s poorest and least developed region and the focus of IFAD’s operations. In this region, 58 per cent of the total population and 67 per cent of the rural population is poor (ECLAC, 2007).
Arjun-ji, thats not quite right....It is natural for all development cycles to have an inflection point where agri shows a diminishing, and then negative employment elasticity..This is because beyond a point, land holdings become too fragmented to remain economical..Especially true for large population (or density of population) countries...The cycle then needs to shift to manufacturing and services where the employmnt elasticities need to increase in order to absorb people being released from agri..Arjun wrote:The inability of reforms to generate enough employment is solely on account of underperformance of agriculture - all other sectors have exhibited good employment growth.
I am not so sure about that...If asset creation really is a prime objective, then the programme should not have a target of 60-70% disbursal as wages...Even a minor infrastructure work will require a far greater share of non-wage inputs in the investment...It is basically a cash transfer scheme...The "work" is to take care of the issue of targeting - who should receive the cash...If there is hard physical labour involved, people who dont really need the dole will "self opt out"...Arjun wrote:There were supposed to be two outcomes - employment and asset creation. Given enough outlay for the program obviously getting the employment numbers is the easier part. Asset creation, as I pointed out earlier, still needs to be addressed.
Somnath-ji,somnath wrote:Some very interesting data on NREGA experience
http://knowledge.nrega.net/777/1/NREGA-PPT.pdf
Special reference to the amount of employment generated in 3 years - >40 million households, or 220 million people...Greater than the population of Bangladesh (ignoring the double counting of course!)...
As you can see the scheme is creating hardly 30% of very valuable assets. It would be interesting to see the average life time of these assets.Field Surveys:Are Asstes Useful?
Proportion(%) of sample worksite where the survey team felt that:
NREGA had led to the creation of useful assets in their village
83
The work they were doing on NREGA was useful
92
Proportion(%) of sample worksite where the survey team felt that:*
The assets being created or repaired was useful (very useful)
87(32)
The work done was useful (very useful)
81(29)
RamaY-ji, you are mireading the survey...What it says is that 32% of those who particpated in NREGA works said that the assets created were "very useful" to the community...RamaY wrote:As you can see the scheme is creating hardly 30% of very valuable assets. It would be interesting to see the average life time of these assets.
It is definitely a good thing to create rural assets and NREGA can be a good scheme. I hope it is not becoming a money supply scheme for INC rural members/leaders.
Here's another sample also from 2008.Hirabhai Naik, a member of a social audit team of Gramin Majdoor Sabha (Gujarat), told Newsline that during the process of conducting social audit in Panchmahals district, they found that in many villages, job cards were not being provided to the beneficiaries, but were kept at the Panchayat offices, and this, even after three or four payments had been made to the officials.
“This means if the panchayat officials want, they can make whatever entries in the job cards as they deem fit, because the cards are always at their disposal,” Naik said. The Majdoor Sabha is currently conducting social audits in Panchmahals and Narmada districts. Naik also said that the rural people are mostly unaware of the Act. “It is mostly the NGOs, which keep on talking about these. We have obtained copies of the job cards. In some cases, where payments have been made to the card holder at least four times, no such entry has been shown on paper,” Naik said.
However, as the Hindu editorial, also from 2008 notes.As a journalist, with an experience of over 25 years, I found the NREGA, the biggest and noblest anti-poverty scheme in the post-independence India. However, the biggest noble scheme seems defeated in KBK districts. The officers looted, and are still looting, the poor men’s money in an organised way by taking advantage of their innocence and illiteracy.
A visit to some villages under the Kaberibadi and the Pedalada panchayats under the Bandhugaon block in Koraput district reveals the pathetic condition of the Kondh tribe. The government, the local elected representatives and the government officials ignore all the 23 villages, which are on the other side of the river Jhanjabati. The tribals living there do not know any other languag, apart from their own dialect Koya, Telugu and a bit of Oriya language.
While most of these villages can only be reached by foot, some villages can be accessed by two- wheelers in all seasons, except rainy season. A concrete 150 metre road, from Kaberibadi to Maudivalsa, under the NREGA funds of Rs 2, 50,000 is completed and no other work is in sight to provide employment to the people. This proves the negligence and carelessness, which is nothing but the denial of the constitutional right to work and live.
Quoting some finding of the GB Pant Social Science Institute the Hindu report notes:The National Rural Employment Guarantee Act (NREGA), launched two years ago in 200 districts, is going through a critical learning phase. During this period there are bound to be many procedural problems, all the more so as the NREGA guidelines are very exacting. This does not detract from the fundamentally positive nature of this initiative, or from the possibility of making it a success.
As mentioned before this all from circa 2008.This new series of verification exercises started in May-June 2007 in Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh, in areas where we had found evidence of large-scale corruption just two years earlier, under the National Food For Work Programme (NFFWP). For instance, in the Surguja District of Chhattisgarh, there was virtually no check on the embezzlement of NFFWP funds at that time. The situation was so bad that one of us was constrained to describe NFFWP as a “Loot For Work Programme” (Times of India, July 2, 2005).
In the same district, we were interested to hear this year, from a wide range of sources, that the enactment of NREGA had led to a steep decline in the incidence of corruption. This was borne out by the muster roll verification exercises: in a random sample of 9 works implemented by gram panchayats, we found that 95 per cent of the wages that had been paid according to the muster rolls had actually reached the labourers concerned. A similar exercise conducted in Koriya, the neighbouring district, led to similar estimates of “leakages” in the labour component of NREGA — only 5 per cent or so.
Of course UID linked NREGA has its downsides as well. See this report:To combat corruption, the government has decided to convert all the 10 crore members of the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme (NREGS) to the unique identification (UID) format in 18 months.
The agreement between the rural development ministry and the UID Authority of India (UIDAI) has been signed just weeks away from the kick-off of the ambitious numbering process for all residents of India.
Bottomline is that NREGA is still a work in progress and it will take some time to get it right.''Once the making of job cards for MNREGA is linked with a UID number, the success of the former would depend on accomplishment of the latter. And we are aware that it will take a long time for UID to be effective,'' Khera said.
The tender was issued by ministry of rural development on October 11, 2010, in which applications have been invited to engage service providers for MNREGA under PPP model. According to Khera, the provisions of the contract include UID-compliant enrolment of job card holders for MNREGA scheme.
Another point made by Mihir da is also significant.This is a programme without precedent. It has achievements also, therefore, without precedent. I would say it is a largest ever employment programme in human history. It has created more work for the poorest people of our country than any other programme since independence.
If you look at the employment generated, if you look at the coverage of the schedule caste and schedule tribe, if you look at the participation of women, if you also look at the financial inclusion that we have achieved, about more than 10 crore bank accounts and post office accounts have been open for NREGA workers. So, I think there is a lot that can be said in terms of achievements.
I personally think viewing NREGA through a political prism is not to see the big picture of a scheme which our political class may have gotten right for a change.Potentially, therefore, I would say that overtime the allocations of NREGA after increasing to a certain point should actually start coming down because the requirement for this programme should actually be progressively decreased. That for me would be the real indicator of success of NREGA. If you were to reduce it to a pure direct cash transfer scheme, I am afraid this potential will never be utilised.
Did the famous economist resigned to cash-transfer schemes, to the extent that majority of subsidies are going to be that way soon? Is govt becoming a wealth distributor by collecting tax from middle class segment and transferring the cash to BPL citizens, instead of nation builder?somnath wrote: NREGA has huge opportunities of political mobilisation...And I don see much wrong in that...If INC can use the programme at state level to incerease political partcipation, then it deserves the any political dividends accruing out of it...Nothing prevents any other party from doing the same, as the programme is implemented at a state level by state govts...
Essentially what has been created is a 'dole' system where the dole is only provided if the person is willing to put in hard physical work, and with the side benefit that occasionally the work can be put to some good use in terms of asset creation. (Btw - what is the system for monitoring that the person gets paid ONLY if he puts in the work? or is this similar to India's famous absentee teachers in government schools?)somnath wrote:The issue with India is that both manufacturing and services have displayed stagnant, even declining employment elasticities..
http://ipc.umich.edu/Labor%20Conf/Sessi ... zumdar.pdf
http://www.adb.org/Documents/Papers/INR ... /inrm2.pdf
This is a result of many factors - labour laws, SSI reservation, lack of skills..But the point is they are there...And we have a large mass of workers without jobs...In order to make a difference, a direct intervention is required...NREGA is one such intervention...
Yawn.. The history of India has had better success with ear to the ground politicos introducing and running successful welfare programs than the sclerotic PDS bureaucracy has done until now. The Doctrinaire Commies and their underlings being the most pitiable in terms of record. Consider W. Bengal for instance.somnath wrote:Purely on grounds of economic mathematics, there will be tons of arguments against a cash transfer scheme....
Well, its a bit unfair to paint all commies with the same brush..The Kerala experience with HDI has at least half the credit going to them!vina wrote:Yawn.. The history of India has had better success with ear to the ground politicos introducing and running successful welfare programs than the sclerotic PDS bureaucracy has done until now. The Doctrinaire Commies and their underlings being the most pitiable in terms of record. Consider W. Bengal for instance.
The most successful welfare scheme thus far was the Mid Day meal scheme by MG Ramachandran . Now that was truly revolutionary for his time .