Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2011

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 12 Mar 2011 23:14

>>Mush bought a London flat for $45 million

Seems extreme boss. I have seen no report indicating the value to be that high... Where did you get this number from?

I don't think Mushy can afford an "apartment" for $45m...

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 12 Mar 2011 23:27

[url=xxhttp://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/12-Mar-2011/Blast-damages-Peshawar-mosque]Blast damages Peshawar mosque[/url]
[replace xxhttp by http]
a trial bomb...

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 12 Mar 2011 23:34

[url=xxhttp://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Opinions/Editorials/12-Mar-2011/NATOs-threat]NATO’s threat[/url]
I always think Nation is a real face of pigistan. They are supporting Gaddafi for what? Is this because that rogue had funded their nuke smuggling?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 12 Mar 2011 23:56

JE Menon wrote:>>Mush bought a London flat for $45 million

Seems extreme boss. I have seen no report indicating the value to be that high... Where did you get this number from?

I don't think Mushy can afford an "apartment" for $45m...

I think you are right. The $45 million flat was bought by Zardari although HUFPO (not sure about them) says GBP 140 million

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/beenish-a ... 02580.html

Mush OTOH

"But some of his close friends in London said that Musharraf is looking around to buy a flat in central London, preferably around Edgware Road area where most of the property is owned by Arabs and where a two-bed room flat costs around pounds 500,000 to pounds 700,000.

Others said that he was looking for a villa in Chelsea where the property was worth between two million pounds to five million pounds.

In London, Musharraf stays at the Richmond house of his old friend and long-standing bridge partner Brigadier Niaz, The Dawn reported.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sou ... 96824.html

Book royalties I guess

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Mar 2011 03:28

>>Others said that he was looking for a villa in Chelsea where the property was worth between two million pounds to five million pounds.

Yeah, that's more feasible, even though that too seems a bit on the high side to me... yeah, royalties, speaking engagements - and no doubt his stash from his CEO days

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 13 Mar 2011 04:08

JE Menon wrote:>>Others said that he was looking for a villa in Chelsea where the property was worth between two million pounds to five million pounds.

Yeah, that's more feasible, even though that too seems a bit on the high side to me... yeah, royalties, speaking engagements - and no doubt his stash from his CEO days

Of course, we'll get our comeuppance when one Hasan Ali is forced to reveal his real estate purchases

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Delhi-ED- ... 72816.aspx

I was trying to estimate what percentage of the Indian budget deficit Hasan Alis' (collective descriptive) holdings might represent. PKM are you listening?. Maybe a few more of these guys in the dock and you can close that projected deficit of $74.7 billion. Just takes 9-1/2 Hasan Alis and he's on the low side in holdings.

I guess the essential difference is that our Rajas

is that they don't use it to fund anti Pakistan activities... cheap shot I know.

JMT

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 13 Mar 2011 04:54

NY Times report by Mark Mazzeti says that the fraying alliance between the US and PakiSatan is stressed close to the breaking point.

And the main reason for divergence between Munna and Unkil is that Pakis want unquestioning acceptance of its desire and right to deploy L-e-T against India (and also Afghanistan, to a lesser degree).

A Shooting in Pakistan Reveals Fraying Alliance
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/weeki ... shkar.html

The C.I.A. team Mr. Davis worked with, according to American officials, had among its assignments the task of secretly gathering intelligence about Lashkar-e-Taiba, the militant “Army of the Pure.” Pakistan’s security establishment has nurtured Lashkar for years as a proxy force to attack targets and enemies in India and in the Indian-controlled part of Kashmir. These and other American officials, all of whom spoke only on condition of anonymity, are now convinced that Lashkar is no longer satisfied being the shadowy foot soldiers in Pakistan’s simmering border conflict with India. It goals have broadened, these officials say, and Lashkar is committed to a campaign of jihad against the United States and Europe, and against American troops in Afghanistan.

During a visit to Islamabad last July, Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, declared Lashkar a “global threat,” a statement that no doubt rankled his Pakistani hosts.

And so a group that Pakistan has seen for years as an essential component of its own national security, and that American counterterrorism officials could once dismiss as a regional problem, has emerged as a threat that Washington feels it can no longer ignore.

Given such a fundamental collision of interests, it was perhaps inevitable that Lashkar would one day provoke tensions between Pakistani and American security officials, and the collision itself would come into full public view. Rather than being a cause of the problem, Mr. Davis was merely an all-too-visible symptom.

Because Lashkar has long been nurtured by Pakistan’s spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, American espionage operations against the group are freighted with grave risks, and are not viewed kindly by Pakistani spies.

Lashkar has long employed the language of global jihad in its propaganda, denouncing the United States and Israel, and vowing that the group would “plant a flag” in Washington and Tel Aviv.

Despite such global goals, Lashkar for most of its history has limited its attacks to India and Kashmir — the targets that would serve the interests of its ISI benefactors.

Professor Fair, the Georgetown expert on Lashkar, said the group has set up sophisticated networks throughout Asia to train dozens of sleeper operatives for attacks in India.

In Thailand, for instance, Muslim recruits arriving from India are handed fake Pakistani passports for travel to Pakistan, where they go for several weeks of training, according to Professor Fair. After the training, the operatives go back to Thailand, reclaim their Indian passports and return to India.

Lashkar has also bolstered fund-raising networks throughout Europe, especially in Germany and Britain, and European counterterrorism officials believe Lashkar is considering attacks in Western capitals similar to the devastating raids by the group in Mumbai, India, in November 2008.

In Washington, there seems to be little enthusiasm for sending yet another delegation to Islamabad to press Pakistani officials to cut their ties to militants. It hasn’t worked so far, and Obama administration officials know that Pakistan believes too much is at stake to walk away from the groups it might need once the Americans leave Afghanistan.

But even with such seemingly irreconcilable differences, and even as both American and Pakistani officials muse in private about how long the beleaguered alliance can survive, both appear to realize that — for now — it simply must.

As much as senior Pakistani officials resent the billions of dollars in aid they accept from Washington, they believe that they can’t turn away the money and hope to keep pace with their rival, India. And Wendy Chamberlin... says...the appetite of the Afghan war makes ending the relationship impossible, because there are no better routes over which to transport all the military supplies that currently are shipped through Pakistan.

“Like it or not,” she said, “Pakistan is our lifeline.”

The Amreekians are still not willing to take the next little logical step further -- that as long as only carrots are deployed for Kayani and Kayanilets, and as long as a stick is not in sight, the Pakis will not change their terrorist ways.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 13 Mar 2011 07:06

ramana wrote:Cosmo_R, Its your frustration at GOI's lack of coherent action on L-e-T after 26/11 terrorist attack that makes you see things where they dont exist.
US activities in TSP against whoever are for their own interests and no free biryani. Recall DCH original task was to infiltrate the LeT. Most likely he sang in prison in exchange for plea bargain and Rahman Dawood was taking out those contacts.

Any connection you think? (Thanks JRJR for the link)

NY Times report by Mark Mazzeti says that the fraying alliance between the US and PakiSatan is stressed close to the breaking point.

And the main reason for divergence between Munna and Unkil is that Pakis want unquestioning acceptance of its desire and right to deploy L-e-T against India (and also Afghanistan, to a lesser degree).

A Shooting in Pakistan Reveals Fraying Alliance
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/weeki ... shkar.html

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 13 Mar 2011 07:35

chetak wrote:Sirjee,

Excuse moi, not on a public forum.

This much I will say, Ramdas was by far, one of our more forgettable chiefs.

Even the dustbins of history will have difficulty in accommodating some types of garbage.

Chetak-ji, you are absolutely right about Ramdas...But none-too-impressive track records dont necessairly coincid with being "peaceniks"..They can sit cozily enough with hawkish sound bytes too - look no further than the good Admiral's contemporary, ACM SK Sareen

...Or Gen Deepak Kapoor....

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Mar 2011 07:42

Cosmo_R wrote: How 'plum' are they compared to private sector Paki Generals? Post- Kargil and after his retirement, VPM was interviewed by (I forget which) NYT or WAPO "sitting on his bed, in his tee shirt in his modest bungalow'. Not exactly Corpse Commando stuff is it? (Mush bought a London flat for $45 million)

You are comparing Indian army retirement benefits with the money made by Pakistani generals? There is no comparison, but are you suggesting that people such as Admiral Ramdas and Gen Malik have entered the peace business for the money because they rue the fact that Paki jernails make so much?

The fact that Paki jernails have money and Indian chiefs of staff though comfortable by Indian standards have less money does not translate to the idea that they enter the peace business for the money. If you are suggesting that I don't think you have provided anything more than a personal opinion.

It is important for me to get that clear. There are people in the peace business who do not get much money. Are you suggesting that retired Indian chiefs of staff are in it for the money? I would like you to clarify your opinion on this point. TIA

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 13 Mar 2011 08:04

The indian system affords less opportunity to the Indian general. With sprawling businesses and control over the state, paki generals have much greater opportunities to "make money". But knowing a little bit about these track II exercises, while they may aford some air miles, there isn't any money to be made there.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 13 Mar 2011 08:39

Cosmo_R, I am not doubting your intelligence only awareness.

How do you decide that the benefits are *not* enough for 'him' which you seem to have suggested. Somehow, you have concluded that $$ might be the motivation. OTOH I am pretty sure, that is not the case (and you can ease up on that, if that is a concern).

I can safely say, you not aware of his opinion of Musharraf. Just because Musharraf is buying a place in London (as life insurance) (with illgotten ISI/drug money/earthquake aid/military aid who knows

) doesn't mean doesn't mean that he is setting some sort of standard here. If anything, Musharraf might be in a rat race with Gadha-fi.

I would find Gen V P Malik participation in Track II diplomacy a bit reassuring, and would read it as a sign that IA at least has a seat in it and possibly a position to call TSPs bluffs. More power to him.

The thing Governoships is again, as most of the them are electorally challenged politicos, does not mean that the few ex-IA Governors are in the same category.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 13 Mar 2011 08:57

In Pakistan, Justifying Murder for Those Who Blaspheme

In the weeks leading up to his assassination, Taseer had been denounced at Friday prayers, excoriated in the media and largely abandoned by his Pakistan People's Party (PPP) for fears that his campaign would prove politically toxic. The witch hunt culminated in a bodyguard's pumping 27 rounds into his head and chest in the parking lot of a popular Islamabad shopping center.

It is not news that Pakistan has a lunatic fringe. What is disturbing is that after Taseer's murder, when the silent majority finally spoke up, it praised Qadri, not his victim. The public reaction exploded the myth of Pakistan's moderate Islam; Qadri belongs to a mainstream sect that routinely condemns the Taliban. "The Pakistan we saw in the wake of Taseer's killing is the real Pakistan," says Amir Muhammad Rana of the Pak Institute for Peace Studies. For the past two years, Rana's organization has conducted in-depth interviews with a broad spectrum of Pakistani citizens. "They might dress Western and eat at McDonald's, but when it comes to religion, most Pakistanis have a very conservative mind-set."

It has gone virtually unremarked in Pakistan that Qadri, a confessed murderer, has been hailed as a national hero, while Davis — who, whatever his background, seems to have been acting in self-defense — is considered worthy of the death penalty. Over the past few weeks, street rallies led by the religious right have simultaneously called for the release of Qadri and the hanging of Davis.

To further appease Muslim religious leaders, Zia-ul-Haq strengthened the colonial-era blasphemy laws, mandating that breaches should be answered by the death penalty. Since then, more than 1,274 cases have been lodged. As repeating blasphemous words could be considered to be perpetuating the crime, many cases are accepted without evidence, a system well primed for the pursuit of vendettas.

In 1929, Jinnah famously defended an illiterate carpenter who shot to death a Hindu publisher accused of blasphemy. The plea failed, and after the carpenter was hanged, Taseer's father was one of the pallbearers

Because of that silence we have madrasahs spewing venom, a true Islam threatened by the same people who claim to serve it, and a cowed majority too afraid to speak."

After paying his respects to Taseer's family, Interior Minister Rehman Malik gave an impromptu press conference outside Taseer's house during which he announced that he too would kill any blasphemer "with his own hands."

That Pakistan's most progressive party — one that has already endured the assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto — should cave in the face of religious fundamentalism speaks volumes about the strength of the religious right

It posed a moral quandary: "I don't agree with the message," he says. "But I love the Prophet. My thumb hesitated a long time over the delete button." In the end, he passed the hate along.

When pressed further, he consulted a Koran and read aloud a passage that spoke of killing a man who had once harmed the Prophet.

That verse has routinely been dismissed by leading Islamic scholars as referring to a specific case and having nothing to do with blasphemy. They say there is no definition of blasphemy in the Koran, nor any prescription for its punishment. "Nobody challenges these mullahs, and that is our problem," says Omar Fazal Jamil, who runs a p.r. firm in Lahore. "We can't invoke liberal secular values anymore. I have to have the knowledge to contradict these men who distort our religion for their own political gain. I have to be able to say, No, this did not happen, this is not right, and show me where it says in the Koran that blasphemers should be shot on sight."

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Mar 2011 09:10

ISI chief Pasha is to get an extension, possibly for 2 more years.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Mar 2011 09:20

SSridhar boss, I have a question for you in the J&K thread.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 13 Mar 2011 09:30

In 1929, Jinnah famously defended an illiterate carpenter who shot to death a Hindu publisher accused of blasphemy. The plea failed, and after the carpenter was hanged, Taseer's father was one of the pallbearers

This is not a new thing as it has been repeated from last 1400 years!! thousands and thousands of innocent non-muslims have been murdered for the sake of "Islam". The people that come to my mind are from the 1650s - 1710 era i.e. Satnamis, Jats, Guru Tegh Bahadur and his sikhs. We do not know people before 1650s that were murdered because of "sake of Islam" as we do not have any records!! but 1650 till 2011 has enough data to proove that Islmic people have always murdered people of non-islamic religions to gain wealth, material, land, women or "honor".

This statement is only for the new comers to BR!! rest already knew!! so please ignore!!

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 13 Mar 2011 09:36

Karachi violence kills 17 in last 24 hours

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Mar 2011 10:31

SSridhar wrote:Mani Shankar Aiyar's take on what led to Partition

Cant get myself to read what MSA would have barfed on this subject. Could any kind soul just confirm if the word RSS/Hindu Mahasabha turns up prominently in his "thesis"?

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Mar 2011 10:41

I didn't know Jai Chand was the ancestor of V P Singh. Now the first hit on Google for - v p singh jai chand - is that article by MSA.

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Mar 2011 10:44

sumji,

You won't not lose anything by not reading that article. One of the gems - "the spread of Islam in Indian sub continent had little to do with sword.".

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 13 Mar 2011 10:56

Because of that silence we have madrasahs spewing venom, a true Islam threatened by the same people who claim to serve it, and a cowed majority too afraid to speak.

Why shoot the messanger if you don't like the message. It is not for nothing the so called liberal class is keeping mum when it comes to Islamic teachings.
The majority does not speak out because they know what Madarassa are teaching is in Quran. You can not just like that call the teachings of Quran false. What is that Madarassa's are teaching and is not in Qura? and if it is there , then the teaching Quran can not be spewing venom.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Mar 2011 11:14

sum wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Mani Shankar Aiyar's take on what led to Partition
Cant get myself to read what MSA would have barfed on this subject. Could any kind soul just confirm if the word RSS/Hindu Mahasabha turns up prominently in his "thesis"?

sum, you must read the article. I don't dismiss the article completely (he is actually critiquing the recent book by MJ Akbar and quotes from the book and adds his own commentary.) Of course, he intersperses all that with his biased views. This is a two-part article and so can't predict what he would write in the next installment.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 13 Mar 2011 11:21

Paki Army Torture - NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6bcrQ7j ... dded#at=71

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Mar 2011 11:27

SSridhar wrote: sum, you must read the article. I don't dismiss the article completely (he is actually critiquing the recent book by MJ Akbar and quotes from the book and adds his own commentary.) Of course, he intersperses all that with his biased views. This is a two-part article and so can't predict what he would write in the next installment.

SSji, the problem with MSA, Jaweed et al is that they write not the truth but what the Pak public wants to read. Let's see what he can come up with in part 2.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 13 Mar 2011 11:40

sum wrote:Cant get myself to read what MSA would have barfed on this subject. Could any kind soul just confirm if the word RSS/Hindu Mahasabha turns up prominently in his "thesis"?

He's quite the gasbag, distorting medieval history, as well as modern history. Check this: "Hindu politicians’ fears of Muslim domination in provinces where they were in a minority presaged and preceded Muslim separatism."

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 13 Mar 2011 11:44

Morelike,Mani Shankar is a scumbag.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 13 Mar 2011 11:51

People like MSA etc. always without fail have to blame Hindus and India for anything to do with Partition or the woes that visit Pakistan.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 13 Mar 2011 13:10

Speculations grow about operation in N. Waziristan

The federal government has directed the Fata Disaster Management Authority to prepare a contingency plan for thousands of families likely to be uprooted after a military operation in North Waziristan Agency, an official told Dawn on Saturday.
The official said about 50,000 families (roughly 500,000 individuals) could be displaced from the agency, where speculations about the military operation against militants have been doing the rounds for quite some time.
...

link
The average family size mentioned in the above report is = (500,000 / 50,000) = 10! Very interesting indeed.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 13 Mar 2011 13:12

Hangu: Gunmen fire on bus, kill 8 people

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Mar 2011 18:04

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_2- ... ce_1519022

Pakistani security agencies today arrested two operatives of the banned Sipah-e-Sahaba group for alleged involvement in a suicide car bomb attack near an ISI office in the eastern city of in Faisalabad earlier this week.

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Mar 2011 18:04

^^ When is the powerplay going to begin? Only singles and twos so far.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Mar 2011 18:17

sum wrote:^^ When is the powerplay going to begin? Only singles and twos so far.

sum, the powerplay is either at the beginning or at the end. In the mandatory powerplay (between circa 2002 & 2009), there were plenty of fireworks. Bowling & batting powerplays remain to be taken. When the American pressure increases on Kiyani and he starts the bowling powerplay, we can again see the fireworks. If the Waziristan offensive is launched, bowling powerplay might start. The middle game is being played out now and hence a lot of singles and occasional boundaries. The batting powerplay comes usually at the end, as this batting side is unwilling to implement Ravi Shastri's suggestion. With the batting side holding almost all the aces, including a huge friendly crowd and a home pitch, the batting powerplay will be truly spectacular.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 13 Mar 2011 18:19

taseers little brat
My Pakistan is a progressive Pakistan: Shehrbano Taseer

Taseer said the rallies that took place after her father’s death made her see the ugly face of extremism in the country however the people who held those demonstrations were not a majority. “They are certainly loud, well armed and well funded but they are not a majority,” she said.

are they trying to fool their western patrons or themselves I think RAPES are just fooling themselves.

She said that she does not live in fear because that is what the terrorists capitalise on. “I am not going to give my county to them on a silver platter,” said Taseer.

reply to this should be on benis dhaga

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Mar 2011 18:20

Thanks for the detailed reply, SS-saar.

Hope that this batting powerplay doesn't fizzle out like the SDRE powerplay yesterday against SA.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 13 Mar 2011 18:25

UK rejects Pak's application for repatriation of Musharraf in Benazir murder case

The United Kingdom government has refused to accept the application of the Pakistan government for the arrest of former president Pervez Musharraf in the Benazir Bhutto assassination case.

The UK government says Musharraf will not be repatriated because there are no general extradition arrangements between the UK and Pakistan.

According to a UK Home Ministry statement, London will not accept any application from Islamabad regarding the repatriation of the former military ruler, The News reports.

why not I poonch

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Mar 2011 18:27

The UK government says Musharraf will not be repatriated because there are no general extradition arrangements between the UK and Pakistan.

Huh?Weren't many Brit Muslims shipped off from Poakland to US and UK?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 13 Mar 2011 18:30

^^
That is one way onlee. Just like GUBO.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 13 Mar 2011 18:43

Huh?Weren't many Brit Muslims shipped off from Poakland to US and UK?

When you've enslaved yourself to foreign masters it is very easy to sell your countrymen and ship them off to foreign shores.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Mar 2011 18:56

sum wrote:Hope that this batting powerplay doesn't fizzle out like the SDRE powerplay yesterday against SA.

That was SDRE onlee, this is purest of the pure TFTA. Chinta mat karo.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 13 Mar 2011 19:24

^ Because Mushy was the local poodle of UK/USA. They don't want to scare away all the future dictators/murderers/terrorists in thinking that UK will not watch their back once they have served their masters faithfully.
Anyways knowing Bakistan and Gola, you never know when Gola will be useful for his masters.