Absolutely. This is how we should start thinking rather than hoping against hope.suryag wrote:As soon as there was news on the impending leaks i thought the GOTUS told GOI about the contents of the leaks, the GOI would have definitely prepared for this event they will weather this.
I am forever amused as to despite all the crimes by Congress and all efforts by BJP, its always BJPs fault.Pranav wrote:No, not dumb. Maybe elements in the BJP wanted the evidence destroyed, just as they wanted to get Rahul Baba off the hook when he was arrested in Boston. I heard Jaitley was at the center of this episode with CNN-IBN.Aditya_V wrote: In fact, CNN-IBN did a good job destroying crucial evidence( dumb BJP thought they could trust them to record). The Media infact at that time only criticized BJP memebers for Breaching parliment security by Bringing Money in Parliment.
Sanku bhaiji it works like thisSanku wrote:I am forever amused as to despite all the crimes by Congress and all efforts by BJP, its always BJPs fault.
It is BJPs faultHuh? So you are happy that "the BJP" let Rahul Baba off the hook?Sanku wrote:I am forever amused as to despite all the crimes by Congress and all efforts by BJP, its always BJPs fault.Pranav wrote: No, not dumb. Maybe elements in the BJP wanted the evidence destroyed, just as they wanted to get Rahul Baba off the hook when he was arrested in Boston. I heard Jaitley was at the center of this episode with CNN-IBN.
Next time Sushma Swaraj bats away a fly from her face, that will be used to define the butterfly effect which caused the next tsunami.Pranav wrote:Huh? So you are happy that "the BJP" let Rahul Baba off the hook?Sanku wrote:
I am forever amused as to despite all the crimes by Congress and all efforts by BJP, its always BJPs fault.
FYI, I don't view parties as monolithic entities.
Or how we should have a PM from only a certain party and BJP should be debarred from touching nation flag, contesting elections, running states or holding constitutional posts as it ka-moon-alizes the situation.Sanku wrote: Next time Sushma Swaraj bats away a fly from her face, that will be used to define the butterfly effect which caused the next tsunami.
No nothing so complicated, the answer is simple, Indian voters dont fully understand what is what. Hopefully soon, they will.Hari Seldon wrote: No one wants to upset the apple cart because everybody's sitting on the same damned cart only.
That is called Prithviraj syndrome, not humaneness.It is BJPs fault for displaying humaneness at Logan Int
Sorry for that but it is humaneness. Let me clarify this once and for all, till ABV era there was a consensus within Indian establishment to unite against any foreign power "overtly" on issues of importance. NDA top brass with some dissent agreed that letting an important INDIAN (yes yes church conspiracy and all that but Hindu Dharma dictates that he is our son and family) family's scion go to dogs even if justified by FOREIGN law was not done. Hence they intervened. With advent of MMS the understanding and consensus against foreign intereference has been horribly damaged as is visible from Wikileaks. We have been crying silently in anguish over the downfall, thankfully now people can see truth and choose between spoils of crony capitalism or freedom.Sushupti wrote:That is called Prithviraj syndrome, not humaneness.It is BJPs fault for displaying humaneness at Logan Int
Where is the foreign power here? INDIAN did some illegal activity as per the law of the land and instead of going for the kill, BJP let the INDIAN go home. Who knows?, probably BJP wouldn't have lost the 2004 had it gone for kill.Let me clarify this once and for all, till ABV era there was a consensus within Indian establishment to unite against any foreign power "overtly" on issues of importance.
Boss-ji I have stated all that is to be stated, one cannot judge value system and consensus of yesterday by today's laissez-faire and mercantilist establishment thought process. There is something called "Time Inconsistency" problem that annuls any inter-temporal comparisons of such variety. Phinace and Economix folks can elaborate more, my kirana store is intellecutally very deficient you see.Sushupti wrote:Where is the foreign power here? INDIAN did some illegal activity as per the law of the land and instead of going for the kill, BJP let the INDIAN go home. Who knows?, probably BJP wouldn't have lost the 2004 had it gone for kill.Let me clarify this once and for all, till ABV era there was a consensus within Indian establishment to unite against any foreign power "overtly" on issues of importance.
Yes but he got it from MMS & Co. for services rendered for a certain vote in parliament. NDA's stance was demolished by using insiders and intellectuals within. Also, ABV cabinet was not like circus today's, anything and everything that happened bore stamp of ABV. Padamshree or no Padamshree it is ABV who took the call, always.Sushupti wrote:Munnaji, circumstantial evidence suggest otherwise. One person who was involved in rescuing the INDIAN recently received "Padamshree".
How do you reconcile this sentiment with the angst frequently expressed against personality based cults or dynasties? And then he wasn't arrested on arrival in India either!munna wrote:You know whose son he is? Why am I asking this, because his dad before his death defended UCC (Uniform Civil Code) in parliament and had come round to a favorable view on lots of nationalist causes. There were sneaking sympathies for him across the board. His tragic assasination, people felt was a shock big enough for the family and then to have a foreign power humiliate and harass our own kid?
As a PM or as person who was liked by Nehru?ABV did what his dharma dictated.
"Madhok is very critical even today of Vajpayee and Advani and has not even a single good word for either of them. “When I criticized Nehru in Parliament in the wake of the Chinese aggression, Vajpayee came up to me and told me that I will never be elected to Lok Sabha again. Acharya Kriplani who was sitting nearby told me that do not take him( Vajpayee) seriously since he is Nehru’s planted man in the opposition”.
http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/capital ... as-to-say/
That was past, by involving US and other countries repeatedly against NDA state regimes post 2004 the entente has been broken. Now it is a free for all and gloves may come off soon. Some parts of establishment effectively stand recolonized and there is zero tolerance to that.vera_k wrote:There lies the problem though. Why pick NDA over UPA if both will "bail out" the connected?
THey used to say - ABV is a good man in a wrong party
Pranav wrote:This fellow Nachiketa Kapur who showed the cash to the Americans seems very well connected (to JN Dixit, Renuka Chowdhary and others). To be fair PMO seems to have been trying to put a rein on him. See Why Congress fears the latest Wikileaks revelation - http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110317.htm
Munna ji, then why complain about progeny of political leaders being favored whenever need arises. If this is not nepotism, what else is.munna wrote:vera_k-ji we are a family and society based nation. Invariably the social and relationship factors seep into a lot of decisions we take. Now when an arguably respected/empathized with leader's progeny gets into some mess, statesman like leaders will definitely bail the concerned out. For example Nehru introduced ABV once as "Future PM of India" don't you think when a young MP receives this measure of respect and recognition from a colossus of a PM at that time, won't he be subtly affected. For all our faults we are considerate towards families and prognies at the end of the day, ABV did what his dharma dictated. He may have been reckless or I may be stupid is justifying it but certainly not immoral or wrong.
People have still not appreciated the nuances of this case vs others. It is this stubborn refusal to understand the circumstances and possible issues of the time that have led to misplaced comparison between ABV's foreign policy inititatives and current government's surrender. Fact : The said personna was NOT in politics at that time and was merely a private individual who happened to be from an important family of India. He needed help from what could have been a dastardly move to avenge IG's action in 1971. Please bear in mind the said persona is the first one of his family to ever seek study in khan, rest all were oxbridge brigade. Hence there is significant doubt about actual events.VikasRaina wrote:So MMS is bailing MuKa's progeny out, Mayawati may bail out Amar Singh, Rahul mahajan was bailed out by God knows who and teh cycle continues...Lets not associate Dharma with such conduct.
In case you didn't know: Nachiketa Kapur was Deputy DG of 'media relations' during Commonwealth Games. How apt a job for him.
http://twitter.com/KanchanGupta
Alright, did ABV & Co ask Rahulji about the source of a Quarter million Dollars that he was in possession? Or the fact that he was from an "important family" applies again?Till 2004 the consensus was to protect ALL players from foreign machinations! That has been broken. This case was a question of Dharma and we had to do the right thing. MMS, Amar Singh, Rahul Mahajan and etc etc are all domestic players and will be shielded against any foreign machination, however they will be made accountable to our own authorities.
Was he found to be compromised during a background vetting by the IB/agencies?ramana wrote:If you read the ReDiff slides from Sheila Dikshit linked above, he was removed from that job by the PMO. Something odd in his bio/story.
ET 18 March 11SC Reserves Order on 2G Licence Cancelling
The Supreme Court has reserved its order on petitions seeking directions to the Government to cancel 2G licences given by former telecom minister A Raja. Such 122 licences given by Raja under first-come-first-serve basis are under challenge before the apex court.
A bench of Justices GS Singhvi and AK Ganguly on Thursday concluded its proceedings after hearing extensively from all the concerned companies, government and the petitioners.
In their joint petition, a group of civil societies, including NGO Centre for Public Interest Litigation alleged that the spectrum allocation, made by the Department of Telecom during Raja's tenure as telecom minister, was marred by “multiple illegalities, corruption and favouritism.”
The other petitioners in this case are Telecom Watchdog, Common Cause, former Chief Election Commissioner JM Lyngdoh, TS Krishnamurthy and N Gopalaswami along with former Central Vigilance Commissioner P Shankar. Janata Party chief Subramanian Swamy had also filed a separate petition seeking cancellation of 2G spectrum licences given by A Raja.
The petitioners contended that even sector regulator Trai has recommended cancellation of 69 out of the 122 licences as the licencees have failed to roll out their services in time as per conditions stipulated for grant of licences. The bench had earlier issued notices to 11 private telecom companies, which were granted licences despite allegedly being ineligible to secure them or had failed to launch services within stipulated time-frame.
Full interview of Swami AgniveshThis interview is part of a series of conversations with activists working for development and peace and drawing their inspiration from their faith, based on interviews led by Katherine Marshall for the Berkley Center for Religion, Peace, and World Affairs at Georgetown University and the World Faiths Development Dialogue. The full interview can be found here.
Indian social activist Swami Agnivesh renounced worldly possessions and launched a political movement forty years ago, based on the principle of "social spirituality". He has been jailed eleven times, served briefly in government, and devoted himself to many social causes such as eliminating bonded labor and fighting for the rights of India's poorest and most marginalized citizens. His current focus is on addressing the conflicts involving both India's Naxalites and Kashmir and pursuing with fervor struggles against evils like corruption and female foeticide, and for social justice. Here, he speaks to me about his spiritual journey, his forays into politics, and the growing interfaith movement in India.
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Turning to today, do you see roles for religious leaders in fighting corruption?
The issue of corruption has blown up recently and billions of dollars of cases are coming up to the government. With the Archbishop of Delhi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Swami Ramdev , Maulana Mehmood Madani, and other religious social leaders, we have mobilized thousands of people from all over the country to take an active role in countering these problems. For the first time, religious leaders are coming together to speak against corruption, issuing statements and drafting proposals and bills to submit to Parliament. We will see how far the momentum will carry..
You're now involved with a new interfaith movement in India. What form is it taking?
Our movement, which is gaining much strength, is Sarva Dharma Sansad, which means Parliament of all the religions. It includes members from all the many religions present in India: Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Baha'i, Zoarastrian, Jains, and others. We have determined that we will not be an all-talk interfaith movement, but will focus on action on the main social issues facing India.
We need to bind together to discuss problems like mortality rates for women, women suffering from anemia, and other preventable causes. If women and men of South Asia who are religious and religiously motivated can be included in these discussions and if temples, churches, and mosques can become the centers of empowerment for people, there would be a revolution.
That, as far as I am concerned, is the real purpose of religion.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/black ... -sit-92483A bench headed by Justice B Sudershan Reddy said the issue is not related to one case but is much wider and asked the government to consider setting up an SIT comprising officers from different departments including the Enforcement Directorate, the CBI and the Income Tax department to look into it.
"We are not talking about one case but many cases are involved in it. This is much wider," the bench said. "In principle, do you have any objection to setting up of SIT to look into the matter?" the bench asked the government.