Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2011

saip · Post by **saip** » 18 Mar 2011 07:23

Lots of hand wringing breast beating happening in deaf and dumb forum. I have never seen so many posts damning the army. All because of Davis and Dronacharya! There is even a guy who says he is sending bangles to Kiyani. Hope he does and there will more Canadian visa requests! Right now it is a fun place to be.

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 Mar 2011 07:29

shravan wrote:Drone strike kills 38 in Datta Khel

At least 38 suspected militants have been killed in 12 US drone strikes in different areas of North Waziristan Agency on Thursday. So far 80 people have been killed in March alone in drone strikes in North Waziristan

Interesting article title regards the peregrinations of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s “National Bird” in The News:

Drones celebrate Raymond release by killing 41

Meanwhile Dawn and Nation will have us believe that the leadership of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, that is the Army and the Civilian Government are upset:

Rare condemnation by PM, army chief: 40 killed in drone attack

Pakistan fumes as CIA slaughters 41 in NWA

While Xinhua is reporting that the death toll attributed to the peregrinations of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s “National Bird” may have climbed to 80:

80 people reportedly killed in U.S. drone strike in Pakistan

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 18 Mar 2011 07:36

Airavat wrote:Pakistanis today are extremists because of Islamic invaders
Foreign Muslim rulers were so contemptuous of Muslims from the lower castes that Ziauddin Burni, known for his Tareekh Feroz Shahi, writes: “The teachers should not put the jewels of knowledge in the throats of dogs, i.e. lowly, meaning low caste people. Vendors and low caste (Muslim) people should be instructed about prayers, fasting, pilgrimage and charity besides teaching them a few parts of the Quran. ...Lowly people should not be educated because it makes them evil. Low caste people, as the working class, are prone to commit evil.” Of course, Burni wanted to keep the converted Muslims uneducated so they would not be able to compete for state jobs against migrant Muslims. This core ideology remained in practice throughout the Muslim period resulting in the absence of an educated Muslim urban class in Punjab and Sindh till 1947.
<snip>.

Does he really believe that Sindhis are as big zealots as Pakjabis?

So wonder what will happen to the elite when the working class attains full islamic literacy

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Mar 2011 07:45

er, I think it has already started...the big punjabi landowning feudal lords had better watch out...the 1000s of poor labour under each should get a equal share of land per the tenets.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Mar 2011 08:10

jrjrao wrote: Mr. Gul heads the Centre for Research and Security Studies, Islamabad,

C.R.A.S.S., Islamabad? What an appropriate foil to P.I.S.S.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 Mar 2011 08:18

Pakistan cannot afford fat army budgets ---- Najam Sethi

rsharma · Post by **rsharma** » 18 Mar 2011 09:40

pgbhat wrote:Pakistan cannot afford fat army budgets ---- Najam Sethi

Sure they can. As long as its in the Unkil's interest to do so, $$$ and other goodies will keep flowing in.TSPA is an indispensable asset for USCENTCOM.
And TSPA has nothing much to worry about from 'external' threats; the ISI will be given a free-hand once in a while to wreak havok on Indian soil, to boost the sagging morale of the Mujahids and recover lost h&D; the SDRE spineless Neta-dom will be kept in check by Unkil's diktat.

TSPA's Tatte are tightly in Unkil's grasp. They can chook them whenever they want; the TSP Jernails know it very well.

Surely, Unkil and TSPA are made for each other,despite claims to the contrary.
The entire RD episode is but a minor glitch in this mutually gratifying relationship.

All us SDRE's can do is get entertained once in a while when something like the RD drama comes along.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Mar 2011 09:42

If you go by Stratfor guru's latest book the US will fund the TSP no matter what unless QE weakens them!

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 18 Mar 2011 09:53

IMHO If we actually look beyond the daily happenings of Pakistan, Pakistan is infact growing stronger.

I am not able to see any challenges to the state of Pakistan or its army in the short to medium term.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Mar 2011 10:07

rsharma wrote:TSPA's Tatte are tightly in Unkil's grasp. They can chook them whenever they want; the TSP Jernails know it very well.

Sharma, I do agree with all that you said except for the above. It was true to a large extent in the period between the 50s and late 70s. But, even then, the Pakistanis were no pushover in the art of extracting maximum from the US. Still, the Americans had sway over the Pakistanis, though they never exercised that completely to even their own benefit. However, even that changed in the 80s. Slowly, the grip began to loosen and by 90s, the grip became tenuous. Today, the tail wags the dog mostly. The Americans have become like Hanuman in the days before he knew his own strength.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 18 Mar 2011 13:30

Bollywood Vs Bin Laden

But the Muslim country most in the grip of Bollywood mania is Pakistan, India’s cultural twin in every respect but religion. As with the Beatles under communism, the more aggressively Pakistani authorities have tried to purge Bollywood from their soil, the more its popularity has grown. During the country’s four-decade-long ban on Indian movies, Pakistanis smuggled VHS tapes and installed satellite dishes. When the ban was finally lifted in 2008, the Bollywood scene in Pakistan exploded. Not only have Bollywood movies been playing to packed houses, but Indian movie stars—despite Islam’s taboo against idol worship—are treated like demi-gods. The latest fad among Pakistan’s urban nouveau riche are Bollywood theme weddings in which the bride and groom dress in outfits worn by a movie’s stars and hold their wedding reception in elaborate tents patterned around the movie set.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Mar 2011 13:32

A more revealing figure is the percentage of national taxes that goes into defense expenditures. This year, the tax base is about Rs 1600 billion. Out of that the army will get nearly half. Of course, if the tax base could be doubled, the army's slice would diminish to 25%, which is manageable. But until that happens, the army cannot be exempted from some belt- tightening, regardless of the visible and invisible insurgencies it is fighting.

1600 bn PKR is something like 18bn USD! 50% of that is 9 bn usd! Add to it the money that they make from companies owned by them, narcotics trade, Baksheesh, from helping out tin pot regimes in Arabia, and NATO fees, all that could easily reach Indian defense budget? Makes great sense to be in Pak army. Look at you, indian soldiers! forget them, there is an ex- brigadier who lives in jal vayu vihar, right next to where i stay, poor man owns a Maruthi 800!

rsharma · Post by **rsharma** » 18 Mar 2011 13:48

SSridhar wrote:Today, the tail wags the dog mostly..

Sridhar,

That is mostly circumstantial. Beginning in the 50's -60's, it was mostly a cold war balancing tactic to arm TSPA vis a vis India( aligning it self towards USSR). Then in the 80's, it was all about trying to make Afghanistan,a Vietnam for the USSR.
What found its roots in the days of Zia - the Medieval version of Islam - has now found its way through the entire Paki society, and more so with in the rank-and-file of TSPA itself. Within an army, no General can overlook the sentiments of the majority of its soldiers and officers. So, even the Generals have to keep up appearances and let it be known to the masses that sovereignty cannot be compromised to each of the Unkil's whims.
Reality, however is different.

With the end of the cold war everything changed. The fact that Unkil could leave TSPA behind like a whore, and the TSPA could do nothing about being used-and-discarded, speaks volumes about the dependency Pakistani state machinery had on Yemirica.

Back in 2001, the fact that Musharaff bent over as soon as Amritraj pulled his pants down shall leave no one with any doubts over who has the grasp over whose "Tatte".

More so, the General's do have to think about their retirement plans. And who better than 'ole Unkil, can provide the most lucrative insurance policy.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 18 Mar 2011 14:52

For the record
Tatte Chook = to carry Tatte
This corresponds to the common use of "jholi chook" meaning carrying the load (jholi = bag or something similar) which means being subservient or sycophant etc.
Of course, once tatte come into picture we have another flavour of sycophancy.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Mar 2011 15:02

March 11, 2011: Bahrain, a small Persian Gulf nation with a Sunni minority ruling a Shia majority, has sent recruiters to Pakistan to hire retired military personnel to staff the Bahraini security forces. The recruiters are looking to hire a thousand or more men quickly. There will be no shortage of volunteers, as the money is good, even with the risk of death or injury. Pakistan has been supplying such mercenaries to the Arab Gulf states for decades.

and in response to that,

RIYADH: Pakistanis in Bahrain are feeling the heat. The death of Pakistani national Abdul Malik Qualam, 34, who was attacked when he was going to buy food in Manama, scared the Pakistanis living there.
He was reportedly stabbed during a brawl with youths in a market.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/03/16/pakistan ... ttack.html

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 18 Mar 2011 16:23

There's more than what is reported...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Mar 2011 16:54

shiv wrote:Folks the following video has been sent to me as a video response to one of my most popular videos. Please have a look and tell me if there is anything objectionable - it's all in Punjabi as far as I can tell and I will approve it if it's OK. It is 8 minutes long

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0DLzdXYIRo

shiv saar,
this is a great ode to the TFTA Pakistani Army!

tattey chukk bhai tattey chukk!
khuddaari de phattey chukk!

This guy needs to be enrolled into BRF asap!

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Mar 2011 17:15

shias attacking Paki Police in Bahrain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKxxnVuTYRw
name Majid Asghar Ali, the dates are somehow confusing!

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Mar 2011 17:27

Ali Chisti, Explains the turf war in Karachi!

Zulfiqar Mirza has been recruiting the Lyari Amn Committee members in the police. Lyari Amn Committee formed by an infamous gangster, Rehman Dakait

Rahman Dakait is a gangster, Zulfikar mirza is from PPP, and they both recruit the people they know as policemen!
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/18032011/page4.shtml

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Mar 2011 17:30

JE Menon wrote:There's more than what is reported...

JEM do you mind telling me, on pvt email if necessary about what is going on?

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Mar 2011 17:35

Friends from Bahrain, are saying, this will lead to a face off between, Saudi Arabia and Iran, with USA in the middle. the chanting has already begun in Mashad, Iran. half a million, chanting, " Death to Al Khalifa, death to Al Saud".
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/03/ ... ccupation/

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Mar 2011 17:58

Letter from a Pakistani journalist!

It has grown to an extent that they have killed one Pakistani and seriously injured many more. They had even captured a group of Pakistanis and took them to the largest government hospital – Salmaniya Medical Complex – where everyone from patients and doctors kicked and punched and cursed them. The doctors totally violated their oath of treating people irrespective of their race, nationality or leaning.

http://teeth.com.pk/blog/2011/03/18/let ... g-for-help

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Mar 2011 17:59

End of the Affair

The whole ghairat brigade was up in arms over the release of Davis and took to the streets to protest on Wednesday and Thursday. Apart from the usual suspects, i.e. the religious parties, Imran Khan’s Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf (PTI) and Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid (PML-Q) were at the forefront of these rallies. More protest rallies will be taken out today (Friday). The protesting parties are claiming that the federal government, the Punjab government and the military have sold Pakistan’s sovereignty to the Americans for some dollars. There are reports that the families of the victims were coerced into signing the pardon. If this is true, the courts must look into this angle. A petition to this effect has already been filed in the Lahore High Court (LHC).

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Mar 2011 18:08

What did I tell ya....it was not as per Sharia...which in any case only applies to a pure killer, not a kufr killer...there is problem right there..will MK Badrakumar write an article in Chindu elaborating on this and how we South Asians (dont mind that, for once) are always licking unca's boots..

The best part of this fun is previously halal things are becoming haram - Kiyani & Co are taking lot of flak...so there is no way they can be acceptable option, the ONLY OPTION IS MULLA RULE...may TSP go down that path in god speed....

AOA..

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Mar 2011 18:48

A little bit of the mood amongst the Ghairat Brigade

The deafanddumbers are planning on sending some gifts to Kiyani: bangles, smelly shoes, choli, ghagra, a pair nipple tassles (whatever that is), bras, mehndi for the feet, tampons, couple of donkeys with shoe garlands, etc.

That is how low the Ghazis of Pakistan have fallen!

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 18 Mar 2011 18:49

Doc, I'll give you a call... Best way. I have two mobile numbers of yours - I guess one of them will surely apply.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 18 Mar 2011 18:50

Meanwhile, I've found the ultimate chai-biskooter. For the next round of dialogue, she should be sitting at the centre of our side of the table

http://www.break.com/index/baby-makes-c ... ument.html

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Mar 2011 18:58

JE Menon wrote:Meanwhile, I've found the ultimate chai-biskooter. For the next round of dialogue, she should be sitting at the centre of our side of the table

http://www.break.com/index/baby-makes-c ... ument.html

Geez, I've a baby in that age, but somehow I find this a little crazy - forcing kids to eat food by withholding affection! Anyway OT!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Mar 2011 19:01

^^^ I agree.

Worse, training the kido for the IFS abhi se....tch tch

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 18 Mar 2011 22:03

Come on guys... you can see she's an experienced negotiator and they're recording the performance for posterity (you can even hear the father holding back his laughter)... Mom is a tough cookie though, I admit. Not atypical for many Indian families, this tough love thing. But that little girl... she's AWESOME!!! Especially that little moment when she took an adjournment for a quick dance

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 18 Mar 2011 22:05

RajeshA wrote:A little bit of the mood amongst the Ghairat Brigade

The deafanddumbers are planning on sending some gifts to Kiyani: bangles, smelly shoes, choli, ghagra, a pair nipple tassles (whatever that is), bras, mehndi for the feet, tampons, couple of donkeys with shoe garlands, etc.

That is how low the Ghazis of Pakistan have fallen!

Zahid Hamid's lost brother in kumbh-ka-mela

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Mar 2011 22:17

RajeshA wrote:
shiv wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0DLzdXYIRo
shiv saar,
this is a great ode to the TFTA Pakistani Army!
tattey chukk bhai tattey chukk!
khuddaari de phattey chukk!
This guy needs to be enrolled into BRF asap!

This is the onlee highly intellectual kind of language Poak understand. The guy deserve to have his portrait installed at Aiwan-e-Sadr, next to Jinnha carrying English Choorchil's Tatte on left soulder and Saudi on the right . Close and easy to lick woth Poaklongtongue.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 18 Mar 2011 22:30

RajeshA wrote:
shiv wrote:Folks the following video has been sent to me as a video response to one of my most popular videos. Please have a look and tell me if there is anything objectionable - it's all in Punjabi as far as I can tell and I will approve it if it's OK. It is 8 minutes long

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0DLzdXYIRo
shiv saar,
this is a great ode to the TFTA Pakistani Army!

tattey chukk bhai tattey chukk!
khuddaari de phattey chukk!

This guy needs to be enrolled into BRF asap!

can you please translate it, at least some part?
Thanks in advance.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Mar 2011 22:40

Family forum na! Can't do that here.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 19 Mar 2011 00:05

The french are complaining that they have been completely obliterated from the Pak defence market. Mainly because paki's are getting gear from PRC that is more price competitive and they get better credit terms.

About Pak budget; its the same in a lot of islamic "democracies". Egypt was one of them.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 19 Mar 2011 00:09

Speaking of gunga-bhera, there is a CENTCOM guy who posts there occassionally to correct propaganda. Apparently Langley has greater ambitions than that to confuse the abduls on the net in the coming days and months:

Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

Centcom spokesman Commander Bill Speaks said: "The technology supports classified blogging activities on foreign-language websites to enable Centcom to counter violent extremist and enemy propaganda outside the US."

But they won't intervene in English says Bill. Maybe they will anyway. The flame wars on gunga bhera can only get more entertaining as each abdul wonders who the real slim shady is!

I also wonder whether there are career opportunities here for internet paki-watchers like meself!

praksam · Post by **praksam** » 19 Mar 2011 03:53

Is this false alarm??

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/worl ... .asp?scr=1

ISTANBUL - Local media in Pakistan has said that the military has been put on high alert yesterday over a possible strike by India, Qatar-based television network Al Jazeera reported on its Web site.

http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/188 ... or-sources

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 19 Mar 2011 04:00

^^ Pakistan has informed that there is a possibility of strike against high profile events in India like World cup final. Hence this news that their army is on high alert against any possible strike against them.Don't they know that PC has reactivated his kitchen to make some more dossa for them?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Mar 2011 04:30

menon s wrote:........ there is an ex- brigadier who lives in jal vayu vihar, right next to where i stay, poor man owns a Maruthi 800!

ex COAS Gen SRC drives a 90's model green maruti 800.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 19 Mar 2011 05:04

praksam wrote:Is this false alarm??

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/worl ... .asp?scr=1
ISTANBUL - Local media in Pakistan has said that the military has been put on high alert yesterday over a possible strike by India, Qatar-based television network Al Jazeera reported on its Web site.

http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/188 ... or-sources

This is one way (perhaps the only way) to divert attention from the RD F*** up

-M