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Here is my Blog post and what we can expect from the initial strikes and the game plan on the No Fly zone..

Libya No Fly Zone - The Plan Plus Update on Bahrain
Libya

Our readers will know that Middle East Analysis has been fairly accurate so far on the Libyan situation. We accurately predicted that Gaddafi would use his Air force decisively to win this war with the rebels unless a No Fly Zone was implemented.

The French military have been busy planning strikes in Libya as part of the No Fly Zone implementation.

Gaddafi's air assets - He has Mig 21's, Mig 23s,a number of Sukhoi 22's and Galib trainer aircraft armed with Air to Surface rockets that have been in use in current operations. All in all, Gaddafi has only 20 air planes that are in working conditions. Out of the 4 Mirages that he had, 2 were flown to Malta as pilots defected.

In addition to this, Gaddafi has a decent sized helicopter fleet, which are estimated to be around 40. These compromise Chinooks (which incidentally played a signifcant and decisive role in the recent offensive on rebel held cities) that were recently upgraded in Italy as well as a number of Russian attack helicopters. Many of the pilots appear to be from the Syrian Air Force (sent by Bashaar Al Assad as part of a long standing pact that is in place between the 2 countries).

The Plan - Our sources confirm to us that the plan is for Western air forces to destroy Gaddafi's Air Force fleet in the initial strikes. This is due to the importance of the aircraft in striking rebel positions in the last week. This would be key to establishing the no fly zone. The US generals early on had hinted that a No Fly Zone would also mean taking out Libyan Surface to Air Missile sites - this maybe a difficult part of establishing the No Fly Zone but is very much possible.

We speculate that UK would utilise bases in Cyprus and Sicily. The US appears to be interested in using Egyptian air bases to launch their raids. While the French will probably decide to deploy from the South of France which isn't too far from the Libyan cities.

News reports also sight 2 British Nimrod aircraft that were due to be scrapped this month have been pressed into service.

A crucial test for the coalition force would be to control and coordinate this operation as they have done in the past.

Future issues - Another worry in Washington is that Gaddafi has recruited mercenaries from tribes in Mali that are close to the AQIM area of operations. So the questions being asked is, what will happen once these tribal mercenaries return to their home in Mali with their weapons? Will they swell the AQIM (Al Qaeda in the Maghreb) ranks? As a result, there is a worry that the enitre North Africa may become destabilised. Washington has begun to meet closely with Algerian counter terror advisors, to consult and cooperate on these issues.

Egypt arming Libya rebels, Wall Street Journal reports
Egypt's military has begun shipping arms over the border to Libyan rebels with Washington's knowledge, The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.

Quoting U.S. and Libyan rebel officials, the newspaper said the shipments were mostly of small arms such as assault rifles and ammunition.

It appeared to be the first case of an outside government arming the rebel fighters, the newspaper said.

Rebels have been losing ground for days in the face of an advance by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi.

The rebels have, however, been buoyed by the decision on Thursday by the United Nations Security Council to authorise air strikes in an attempt to curb Gaddafi's forces.

The Journal reported that Egyptian weapons transfers began "a few days ago" and are continuing, according to a senior U.S. official.

"There's no formal U.S. policy or acknowledgement that this is going on," said the official. But "this is something we have knowledge of".

There was no official Egyptian confirmation of the shipments, the newspaper said. The Unied States is a major ally and supplier of military aid to Egypt.

"We know the Egyptian military council is helping us, but they can't be so visible," said Hani Souflakis, a Libyan businessman in Cairo who has been acting as a rebel liaison with the Egyptian government since the uprising began, according to the newspaper.

"Weapons are getting through," said Souflakis. "Americans have given the green light to the Egyptians to help. The Americans don't want to be involved in a direct level, but the Egyptians wouldn't do it if they didn't get the green light."

A spokesman for the rebel government in Benghazi said arms shipments had begun arriving to the rebels but declined to specify where they came from, the Journal said. (Writing by Giles Elgood; editing by Andrew Roche)
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supposedly CDG carrier is in port (not that it matters because south of france is nearby) and USS Enterprise carrier in red sea (2 days away) which does matter for US involvement only - around 60 F-18 would be embarked.

NATO link16 and other procedures are always in place and exercises in peacetime ensure units from many nations can interwork.

the egyptians probably need to supply RPG-22+ and ATGM weapons for the rebels to deal with tanks and APCs in city and close in fighting. just rifles and ammo will not do.

I am expecting the first air strikes later tonight...the next televised war. have high hopes of EF and Rafale!
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game is on boys.

NDTV:
dutch PM says anglo-french may carry out first strikes tonight
french recon planes are in libyan airfrance
France TV: france fighters already over benghazi to enforce nofly zone .... (must be m2k or rafale)

time to fetch the pepsi and snacks and watch the les chevalier du ciel show.
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The french have been surveying the targets for days (The military have been pretty hard at work identifiying potential targets). They want to take out the Libyan Air Force - thats the aim of the initial strikes. Taking out the helicopter fleet will supposedly be a bit challenging.
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oh boy more 21s and 23s going to be toast

much as it is hypocritcal action

I want to see Gaddafi buried under 2000 lbers

Nonsense has gone on too long
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> helicopter fleet

this is where egypt AF F-16s and USN F-18s on 1-800 duty will come in use later to chase down helis and gun them down or bomb their id'ed hideouts. the E3 can detect flying helis easily and JSTARS/Cougar helis have eqpt to detect helis parked on the ground. satellite IMINT would also help.

india can learn some lessons in putting together composite task forces like these on short notice to deal with future situations. our buildup mechanisms tend to be indian centric and bit ponderous to the more seamless 'expeditionary' and 'just login to the network' stuff that nato manages.

euros seem to lack in the heavy and concentrated firepower brought by the usaf F-16 and F-15E fighter wings though...unkil sure can kick some a$$ hard when it needs to.
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ShyamD and Singha, Please start a new Libya No Fly Zone Thread. Lets leave this for the big picture.
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yes I was thinking about it. doing so now...
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^^^not immediately likely, after the stamping by Gaddafi about oil blocks in reward for abstaining. If there are shrewd survivors - also likely given that some of the leaders of the opposition are ex-Gaddafi slickers - then they would play up China and India as a counterweight to being dependent on the west. But that will be some distance away. Let us see if the legendary "pure monetary profits onlee" theory that is supposed to drive all international interactions over and above all else - works, to allow the post-Gaddafi Libya to make love with India as an international economic player. Even here, the first patch up is more likely with China rather than India.
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Regarding Libya, Hope its not OT
Anthony Quinn was superb in this movie when he played Libyan Hero Omar Mukhtar in the Lion of theDesert . a clip worth watching.

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First claims of confirmed successful action by French fighters. 16:45 GMT some unclassified vehicle destroyed. Most likely within a 100 km by 150 km zone near Bengazhi. [Many sources - including BBC and AZE]. AZE claims Gaddafi making human shield around himself.
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What are India's interests in West Asia?

First and foremost is of course the safety of our citizens there. Second is energy security of India. Third is continued access to the labor market on which many Indians are at the moment dependent!

What are India's strategic interests in West Asia?
It is of course to bind the West Asian countries to India. It is of course to sway the Arabs more towards India, than say towards Pakistan and China. It is of course to get much higher level of influence over their regimes, and ultimately over other strategic issues and business.

All India can do is to sit on the fence and play polite to all parties. This is so because we really do not have a leaning on many positions, which determine influence:
  1. Israel-Palestinian Conflict
  2. Arab-Shia Tussle
  3. Military support to some Middle East Regime
  4. Military bases in the Middle East
  5. UNSC veto power on which many regimes depend on
  6. Numbered Bank Accounts where dictators and sundry can stash away their wealth
  7. Influence amongst non-state organizations and actors, who then greatly influence the political and security landscape of the land.
So if we have neither a facility to provide a regime, nor political and/or military support for some conflict, we are not playing much of a game in the region.

So sitting on the fence is all we can do. We don't really have a dog in the fight! We know, that whatever happens, in the end we will do business with all and sundry, even if we will be given no special consideration.

In case of Libya, now that the West do have a UNSC Resolution and the ability to intervene in Libya, they will make sure that the Gaddhafi leaves! Or would he not? He could again make an alliance with Al Qaeda and give them Libya or some of the cities on a platter just to stick his finger to the West! Maybe when the West sees that Al Qaeda and their followers are gaining ground, they may switch again their support to Gaddafi, who still has some resources! So we don't really know exactly how this story would end!

In which case India can continue to sit on the fence and to wait it out! That way India will not lose much, but neither will we be winning much either.
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At the grass roots level we have no presence in the middle east. West does a better job of that as of now. We need to develop that with more rebels passing through Indian institutions. This should be applicable for all countries in the region for the next 10-20 yrs before any kind of meaningful influence can be exerted. In parallel the continuation of business interests and further expansion under current regimes should be nurtured. Kind of a two faced approach. Engage the dictators in the interim, but develop the mass base opinion even if JNU inspired. ;)

If we think we are going to be a real player by 2030 at the earliest, we need to start now. Engage the young minds of the twitter and facebook club and give them a better footing to make the transformation. I think the younger Arabs are not ready yet, but are bubbling and venting with adverse results.
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RajeshA wrote:
What are India's strategic interests in West Asia?
It is of course to bind the West Asian countries to India. It is of course to sway the Arabs more towards India, than say towards Pakistan and China. It is of course to get much higher level of influence over their regimes, and ultimately over other strategic issues and business.

All India can do is to sit on the fence and play polite to all parties. This is so because we really do not have a leaning on many positions, which determine influence:
  1. Israel-Palestinian Conflict
  2. Arab-Shia Tussle
  3. Military support to some Middle East Regime
  4. Military bases in the Middle East
  5. UNSC veto power on which many regimes depend on
  6. Numbered Bank Accounts where dictators and sundry can stash away their wealth
  7. Influence amongst non-state organizations and actors, who then greatly influence the political and security landscape of the land.
Before the Europeans the Indians had lot of influence in the region. India has to get back to that level of infleunce in west asia.
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Even Syria is being activated. Yemen remains on the boil.

RajeshA ji,
Gaddafi is unlikely to survive the next few days. Yes he could fake his own death or escape. Even if he does, he will be in hiding in some African country or even some still safe Arab refuge as part of a violence-reduction bargaining. He will not really be in any position to offer any platter to AQ - who are simply not in a position to make good on any such offer at the moment.

But more importantly, the very offer of Gaddafi's to give oil-blocks to India and China, implies that as far as regional calculations go, India is seen to have some manipulation value. It is crucial in foreign policy to be able to anticipate - or have sufficient networks to gain sufficient information to take sufficiently thought out positions which are also clear enough - even if deceptive. You can renege or sweet talk out or even blatantly and brazenly claim the right to twist and turn in "national interests" as per precedence - but you cannot appear muddled up and non-commited and hesitant to take a position.

It proves in the mind of other fence sitters, risk-avoiders, and equally the more determined, that you are not reliable as an ally or someone to be counted upon.
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Acharya wrote:Before the Europeans the Indians had lot of influence in the region. India has to get back to that level of infleunce in west asia.
Acharya garu,
I think, on something or the other, we have to take a position, which takes our influence a level higher! I am of the opinion, that we have to become active
  • Each and every dictator, strong man in Middle East, North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa should get a numbered bank account in India, and it should be guaranteed! Regardless of how much blood is on the money, it belongs to the robber! Lots of Adharma here!
  • We have to start exporting arms to the region.
  • We have to allow all sorts of shady characters to interact under our supervision, providing them with a safe haven. Collecting more adharma here!
  • We should actively think of putting up naval and military bases in the Gulf.
Most importantly, politically and militarily, we should pick a side between the Sunni Saudis and Iranian Shia, though still having a vigorous economic and cultural relationship with the other side. I say, politically and militarily we should put our full weight behind the GCC, while at the same time upgrading our people to people contact with Iranians! That is my personal assessment!

People have found it somewhat amusing that Pakistanis in Bahrain were attacked by the Shia. At least the Pakis are willing to play the game! We don't seem to have the balls. We should offer the King, that we are willing to set up a naval base there, and export half a million Sunni Indian Muslims and another couple of hundred thousands of non-Muslim Indians to the country if the King gives them citizenship and right to work! Indians will ensure that the country never falls to the Shia, no matter how much blood is spilt! That would be entering the play-field and playing the game!
brihaspati wrote:You can renege or sweet talk out or even blatantly and brazenly claim the right to twist and turn in "national interests" as per precedence - but you cannot appear muddled up and non-commited and hesitant to take a position.
Now that is Foreign Policy! :twisted:
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It seems Indian Naval ships are berthed next to the Oman' royal yacht and fleet.

This is how it is done.
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Acharya wrote:It seems Indian Naval ships are berthed next to the Oman' royal yacht and fleet.

This is how it is done.
Okay, but what purpose do they serve?
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IMO this "no fly zone" thing is not good for India. Good that we abstained. But it still sets precedent. Such situation can be created in Kashmir. With neighbours like Bakis,our own Pacqies and WKK.........it is not unimaginable. Rest could be done by BBC,CNN. Where do we go?
One of the worst most dangerous thing that came out of this crisis is the increased precived power of Arab League. West is legitimizing its aggression by saying that it was endorsed by Arab league...........Where were they when Arab league passed resolution against Israel on Philistine issue,on IRAQ and Afghanistan? What we will do if next time they bring Kashmir Issue?
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RajeshA wrote:
Acharya wrote:It seems Indian Naval ships are berthed next to the Oman' royal yacht and fleet.

This is how it is done.
Okay, but what purpose do they serve?
Message - Nobody touches the Oman monarchy
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Well french finally got opportunity to use their military power against a weak arab/muslim country. They were probably watching uncle sam having fun in iraq/afganisthan. Their talk of helping people of libya is bullshit. If they are so good at heart why are they in good relation with KSA, yemen, bahrain, etc. Post gadaffi they hope to recover their military expenses many times over by post build contracts. Now they can tell their military h/w customers that their arms are tested in actual war. My 2 cents. :rotfl:
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It may also be that bankrupt TFTA countries as trying to divert attention from their empty bank balances.
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Acharya wrote:It seems Indian Naval ships are berthed next to the Oman' royal yacht and fleet.

This is how it is done.
Sorry Acharyaji, This is how what is done?
Do explain more
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shyamd wrote:
Acharya wrote:It seems Indian Naval ships are berthed next to the Oman' royal yacht and fleet.

This is how it is done.
Sorry Acharyaji, This is how what is done?
Do explain more
Can you find out if Indian Naval ships are berthed in Oman/Muscat.
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Sarkozy earned quite a bit of brickbats in 2007 by hosting Gaddafi - but was supported by Blair. But Sarkozy does not shimmy and cavort. He gave his reasons that he was trying out a carrot and stick policy - and explicitly connected the visit indirectly as part of his policy to encourage "rogue" regimes to see the light of what they stand to gain if they behaved. Now in spite of Gaddafi camp's accusations of having funded his presidency run - Sarkozy is still quite clear about his reasons.

He is doing this for a variety of reasons he may not speak out right now. Domestic pressures, potential oil concessions, and a hand of Europe in North Africa. The last was sorely lacking and Europe's role and influence in north Africa was rapidly vanishing. To a great extent, Sarkozy has taken a lead where Obama's stabilization policy was failing and basically strengthening Islamist hands.
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Acharya wrote:
Acharya wrote:It seems Indian Naval ships are berthed next to the Oman' royal yacht and fleet.

This is how it is done.
RajeshA wrote:Okay, but what purpose do they serve?
Message - Nobody touches the Oman monarchy
Exactly, and now we need to give the same message about the Bahrain Monarchy!
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akashganga wrote:Well french finally got opportunity to use their military power against a weak arab/muslim country.
French did not get an opportunity. Uncle sam is broke, they don't have any more money to open new war frontiers, they do not want the world (esp. ME) to see them as a colony. Uncle Sam and Brit resources are already far stretched in other countries. Germany will not go alone in any country by themselves (i.e. trauma from WWII). That leaves French.
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Acharya wrote: Can you find out if Indian Naval ships are berthed in Oman/Muscat.
Will contact some sources to see if its true or not.
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The Proxy Battle in Bahrain
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has demonstrated one lesson learned from the course of pro-democracy uprisings across the Middle East: The (western) world may cheer when autocrats resign, but it picks carefully which autocrats to punish for opening fire on their citizens.

That cynical bit of realpolitik seems to have led the king to send troops last week over the causeway from Saudi Arabia to Bahrain, where they backed up a violent crackdown on unarmed protesters by Bahrain’s own security forces.

The move had immediate consequences for Middle East politics, and for American policy: It transformed Bahrain into the latest proxy battle between Iran and Saudi Arabia for regional dominance. And it called into question which model of stability and governance will prevail in the Middle East, and which Washington will help build: one based on consensus and hopes for democracy, or continued reliance on strongmen who intimidate opponents, sow fear and co-opt reformist forces while protecting American interests like ensuring access to oil and opposing Iran (the latter obviously!).

For Saudi Arabia, the issue in Bahrain is less whether Bahrain will attain popular rule than whether Iranian and Shiite influence will grow.

Iran and Saudi Arabia have sparred on many fronts since the Iranian Revolution of 1979 — a Shiite Muslim theocracy in Tehran versus a deeply conservative Sunni Muslim monarchy in Riyadh — in a struggle for supremacy in the world’s most oil-rich region. The animosity was evident in Saudi Arabia’s support for Iraq during its war with Iran, and it still shows in Iran’s backing for Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Now, after a decade that seemed to tilt the regional balance toward Iran, Saudi Arabia decided that Bahrain was the place to put its thumb more heavily on the scale. It sent troops under the auspices of the Gulf Cooperation Council to help crush pro-democracy demonstrations because most of the protesters were Shiites challenging a Sunni king.

“If the political opposition in Bahrain wins, Saudi loses in this regional context,” said Mustafa el-Labbad, director of Al Sharq Center for Regional and Strategic Studies in Cairo. “Saudi is regarding itself as the defender of Sunnis. And Iran is trying to defend Shiites in the region.

The problem for the United States, however, is that Bahrain, at Saudi urging, chose to resolve its fears with force, rather than by addressing the protesters’ demands for democratic reform, as American officials had publicly encouraged.

And for that reason, the military deployment may now have a profound impact on the United States and its primary strategic interest in Bahrain, the Navy base it maintains there.

Because Washington did not ultimately support the protesters’ demands — as it came to do in Egypt and as it has now, very late in the game, come to back foreign intervention in Libya — many protesters believe that the Saudi troops were sent in with American complicity, or at least with an expectation of American acquiescence. So, among the protesters, who turned out by the tens of thousands, the crackdown may well yield animosity toward America and its Navy when events finally settle down.

One American expert in the Persian Gulf who advises policymakers in Washington said the Saudi king’s action was taken without regard for what might happen if it fails — if the violence leads only to more violence. The Saudi policy, he said, “is risky and could potentially draw us into conflicts we have not looked for.”

What if the Bahrain venture fails, who will bail them out? It will have to be us.:rotfl:

Saudi Arabia’s supporters acknowledge that this confrontation can escalate, but they tend to place the responsibility on Iran. “It can lead to that direct conflict if Iran were to interfere and use this as an excuse to interfere,” said Abdulaziz O. Sager, chairman of the Gulf Research Center, which is based in Dubai. “I hope Iran can understand that any interference will not be acceptable.” (How realistic is a chance of a direct conflict between KSA and Iran ? IMHO not very realistic)

There has been no evidence that Iran played a part in Bahrain’s uprising, which was led by young Bahrainis from the Shiite majority. Still, many protesters have said, it is reasonable to expect Shiites to be more receptive to Iran if they do gain power. There is little doubt, they also say, that a Shiite-led government would be less receptive to the Saudis.

Even some of the Iranian regime’s harshest critics are saying the Saudi military venture in Bahrain will change the narrative of the region in Iran’s favor. Abbas Milani, an Iranian who went into exile after the 1979 revolution and is now director of Iranian studies at Stanford University, put it this way: “Iran, as the most brutal authoritarian regime in the region, will now have the chance to seem to stand with the democratic aspirations of the people, and against authoritarians clinging to power.”

The Saudi king’s decision to back King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa’s crackdown in Bahrain also underscored the challenge the United States often faces with its closest allies in the Middle East, where some interests align — like protecting the flow of oil — and others do not, like financing global terrorism. Saudi Arabia has moved aggressively to cut off radical Islamic terrorism within its own borders, but it has addressed the global phenomenon with far less conviction, many American experts have said.

One of those experts was Richard C. Holbrooke, the United States special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Shortly before his death last year, he was asked if heroin was the top source of funds for the Taliban. The answer was no. “It’s the gulf,” he said, meaning cash from sources in Saudi Arabia and another American ally, Kuwait.

One effect of the crackdown was to underscore President Obama’s failure to close the gap in expectations between his talk of democracy during his historic speech in Cairo in 2009 and his actions on the ground. The contortions needed to preserve the old model of stability while supporting aspirations for democracy were strikingly evident in a comment by Senator John Kerry, an ally of the president. “They are not looking for violence in the streets,” the senator said of the Saudi troops moving into Bahrain. “They would like to encourage the king and others to engage in reforms and a dialogue.”

Time quickly proved him wrong. The violence started the next day, and it was not only Iran that blamed Washington. “Where are the Americans, where are the Americans, why are they allowing this, they are killing us with heavy guns, where are the Americans?” shrieked Hussein Muhammad, 37, a bookstore owner and political activist, in a breathless phone call Wednesday from Manama.

When the tear gas cleared, the streets of Manama were littered with canisters that said, on their side, that they had been made in the United States.

While Washington has pressed for restraint, it has also continued to support the monarchy.

“My guess is that there are probably very significant parts of our government that were happy with this,” said Daniel C. Kurtzer, a professor at Princeton who was ambassador to Egypt under President Bill Clinton, and to Israel under President George W. Bush. “Although they are not able to say it, because other parts of our government see it as destabilizing. I think parts of our government are looking at the Iranian threat and the possibility of Bahrain being the first dominoes in the gulf to fall.”

Mr. Kurtzer pointed to an irony in that line of thought: the decision to support Bahrain’s king this time may undermine short-run interests the United States thought it was protecting. For 60 years, the United States has based the Navy’s Fifth Fleet in Bahrain. It operates openly, and its personnel have enjoyed largely unrestricted freedom of movement around the kingdom.

But last week, the Navy authorized family members and nonessential personnel to leave. The question now is: How safe will United States ships and personnel be surrounded by a population that may see Americans as complicit in the crackdown?
ShyamD sir, want your response to the above article.
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There are about 3+ million North African immigrants in France, plus 1m sub-Saharan immigrants. Traditionally bulk of these immigrants were anti-Sarkozy. Now with France "helping" {wink wink} the Libyan rebels/pro-democracy movement in Libya; Sarkozy stands to gain some support from the North African and Sub-Saharan immigrant and their children.

Oh Democracy!!!
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India’s Acute Abstinence Syndrome
In neither scenario does India come out on top by abstaining. Any successor regime is likely to begrudge India’s decision, while Gaddafi, even if he intends on rewarding India’s behaviour, may be unable to deliver upon his promises. And promises have certainly been made. In interviews with the Russian and German media, Gaddafi stated explicitly: “Our oil contracts are going to Russian, Chinese and Indian firms. The West is to be forgotten.” Similar messages appear to have been passed privately.
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KrishG, please ready my blog post. Questions have already been answered. Additionally I'd add that the GCC is more than capable to defend against any Iranian aggression without US support.

Acharyaji, I'd just say even if the deployment is true - the conclusions are incorrect. Can't go into specifics. Its actually very bad for indian interest.
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Sarko is a closet right winger, I don't think the fact will be lost on the North African immigrants
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ShauryaT wrote:India’s Acute Abstinence Syndrome
In neither scenario does India come out on top by abstaining. Any successor regime is likely to begrudge India’s decision, while Gaddafi, even if he intends on rewarding India’s behaviour, may be unable to deliver upon his promises. And promises have certainly been made. In interviews with the Russian and German media, Gaddafi stated explicitly: “Our oil contracts are going to Russian, Chinese and Indian firms. The West is to be forgotten.” Similar messages appear to have been passed privately.
I would have rather preferred that India voted No to the NFZ. There is no reason to support AlQ's over Gadaffi who means nothing but good business to India. The west's involvement in Libya crystallized from we-are-watching-closely to we-are-moving-in pretty much in one week. That can mean only one thing - Gadaffi regime's days are numbered. Possibly Gadaffi's days too. But that does not mean that authoritarian regimes the world over will go away overnight. And there is a lot of business to be done there. The message couldn't have been clearer.
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We need to ask a question at this time - Does Democracy means a majoritarian rule or decision to come into powe

It is essential that Bahrain, Yemen and Saudis should reform themselves and the kings and princes become a state symbolic heads and also owners of the oil wells and the leave the political power to elected people in a parliament. If not the same scale should be applied to these countries as well.

Yemen reinforces security as toll rises to 51
http://www.sify.com/news/yemen-reinforc ... bagfg.html


For Bahrain protest movement, democratic hopes give way to sectarian concerns
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/for ... story.html

Amid Protests, Saudi King Raises Benefits but Strengthens Security
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world ... saudi.html
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Monarchs and monarchies are now part of the garbage bin of history. Future does not belong to dynastic rule, even to the most spectacularly preserved one on a certain island. It will not be wise to bet on the feudal version in the Islamic regions - not even a constitutional monarchy will be sustainable for long. All these regions had a combined theocratic-leftist radicalism in the early twentieth century which was brutally crushed by the west and the feudal mullahcracy installed. Now the west can no longer support the feudals.

Why must India always clean up after the mess of others, and join in at the late stage and support those who have already been abandoned for real?
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Qatari Navy and Air force, along with Omani navy are after Indian technicians, pilots etc.
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brihaspati ji, just wanted to let you know, IMO you are on the right track on this new Arab awakening issue. This might be a chance for us to agitate and get rid of the dynasties in our midst as well in the subcontinent and democratize the leading party structure.
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There are onlee 10 Million Libyans, India should/could have pushed 20 Million Desis and taken over 40-50 Billion Barrels of oil.At least do this for Oman and Qatari assets.
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KrishG wrote: Saudi Arabia’s supporters acknowledge that this confrontation can escalate, but they tend to place the responsibility on Iran. “It can lead to that direct conflict if Iran were to interfere and use this as an excuse to interfere,” said Abdulaziz O. Sager, chairman of the Gulf Research Center, which is based in Dubai. “I hope Iran can understand that any interference will not be acceptable.” (How realistic is a chance of a direct conflict between KSA and Iran ? IMHO not very realistic)

There has been no evidence that Iran played a part in Bahrain’s uprising, which was led by young Bahrainis from the Shiite majority. Still, many protesters have said, it is reasonable to expect Shiites to be more receptive to Iran if they do gain power. There is little doubt, they also say, that a Shiite-led government would be less receptive to the Saudis.
KSA and Bahrain are conjoined twins just like AfPAk. KSA will never let a Shiite majority take over in Bahrain no matter what.
What Iran is doing is taking revenge of Jundullah terror attacks in Iran with TSP. Now you would see more TSP citizens being butchered in Bahrain if there are any Jundullah attacks on east Iran.
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