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geeth wrote:
May be she is scared of some Bellary Skeletons tumbling out of her cupboard - I don't know. Anyway, I expected her to be more agressive.
If not about these leaders, think of their nalayak children. How will these nalayaks live if not on the corruption money that their parents have swindled from general public that has barely enough to eat.
It's the thought of their children loosing life of luxury that is preventing BJP going after Congress and vice versa. Any logical conclusion of such a battle will no doubt end in mutually assured destruction to the great detriment of the nalayak children of these so-called leaders. To hell with the nation and the welfare of general population.
Please don't force them to put their nalayak children on street. After all they are not used to living on street like the rest of the public from whom these leaders have been leaching off their corruption money.
Which is why this entire generation of bachelor/spinster leaders netas heralds a new era in corruption-free society perhaps - NaMo, Nitish, Mamta, Naveen Patnaik, Jaya etc are all childless....for a reason perhaps.... There, even though ABV is childless, his son-in-law has done enough damage already.
Dhiman wrote:
It's the thought of their children loosing life of luxury that is preventing BJP going after Congress and vice versa. Any logical conclusion of such a battle will no doubt end in mutually assured destruction to the great detriment of the nalayak children of these so-called leaders. To hell with the nation and the welfare of general population.
Please don't force them to put their nalayak children on street. After all they are not used to living on street like the rest of the public from whom these leaders have been leaching off their corruption money.
Good articulation Dhiman. After all they are "one of our sons/daughters" who needs all the protection that z++ security allows.
By the way, if one is a commoner they will not only be thrown to wolves, but netas will also be hunting along with the wolves to hound the commoners.
Last and only one OT post. (will not respond): (Ajatshatruji - please note the sympathy in the elite circles and contrast it with for the children of lesser gods). Case in point, all the radio tagged students will get only symbolic help because although they are Indians, they are children of lesser gods and not worthy of making it to "one of our sons/daughters". Hence, when one is a child of lesser god, it is paramount for such a child/ren to have extraordinary common sense.
geeth wrote:
I have a feeling the testes of atleast some of the BJP stalwarts are firmly in the vicelike grip og SG.
When I spoke to Shri Subramaniam Swamy MP that is what he said. He suspects the same thing and he says there is enough evidence against SG.
Isn't that obvious to everyone? They have a mutual non agression pact.
Also, there is talk circulating that Hassan Ali khan is Sonia's benami - he must have done something to cheese her off. I would have thought he would be Pawar's.
There, even though ABV is childless, his son-in-law has done enough damage already.
Unless BJP disowns ABV and his legacy publicly there will always be skeletons in the cupboard. Check history whenever BJP got aggressive(against dynasty) ABV was on the side lines.
Dhiman wrote:
Its time that this political system where the corrupt, the criminals, and anti-nationals all find space must be destroyed.
One has to start with EVMs ... otherwise peaceful change is not possible.
Sir,
The current status-quo in this country comprises up of "political parties" which more or less is a nice feel-good term, used by criminals, looters, and nalayaks who comprise these political parties, for deluding the common population of this country. To get an idea what what elections in this country are really about first read about the nexus between political parties and the criminals that comprise them:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/xinhua/2010-11-16/content_1212909.html wrote:
While political parties are preparing various strategies to lure voters to the northern Indian state Bihar's Legislative Assembly polls, one common thing which binds them together is the long list of candidates with criminal records fielded by them...
as many as 154 candidates are facing criminal charges. Out of these, 97 have cases of murder, attempt to murder, kidnapping, extortion, causing hurt by dangerous weapons and dacoity against them...
Even Congress President Sonia Gandhi and general secretary Rahul Gandhi are campaigning for candidates such as Lovely Anand, wife of criminal-turned-politician Anand Mohan, and Ranjeet Ranjan, wife of former Member of Parliament (MP) Rajiv Ranjan alias Pappu Yadav, sentenced to life imprisonment for the murder of Communist Party of India-Marxist leader Ajit Sarkar.
Also Chief Minister Nitish Kumar is seeking votes for criminal- turned-politicians like Neeraj Kumar Singh, Sarfaraz Alam and Bucchan Yadav. The charges against them include extortion, kidnapping, and murder.
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Sushil Kumar Modi is campaigning for Damyanti Devi, wife of gangster Bhagir Yadav, in Narpatganj constituency. He will also seek votes for criminal-turned-politician Nityanand Rai.
Many of the women are contesting elections as their husbands have been convicted and punished in the last five years.
Some are in jail and have fielded their wives as they have been disallowed by courts to contest. The widows of notorious gangsters who were killed in gang war are also in the fray this time.
And don't brush off Bihar as an exception. Consider the following Lok Shabha stats:
http://www.slideshare.net/alokmittal/lok-sabha-20009-mps-with-criminal-backgrounds wrote:
There are 150 newly elected MPs with criminal cases pending against them. Out of these, there are 73 MPs having serious charges against them. Here is the high level summary of the new lok sabha:
• Affidavits available for MPs - 533
• MPs with criminal charges - 150 (28.14 %)
• MPs with serious criminal charges - 72 (13.51 %)
• Total criminal cases against MPs - 412
• Total serious IPC sections against MPs – 213
As compared to 2004, the no of MPs with criminal records has gone up. There were 128 MPs with criminal cases in 2004 Lok Sabha out of which 55 had serious criminal records. There is an increase of about 17.2% in MPs with criminal records and 30.9% increase in the number of MPs with serious criminal records.
Now let's look and that Nalayak son's and daughter's of politicaians who find easy entry into politics:
http://www.zeenews.com/news692189.html wrote:
A survey by Patrick French shows that 156 of the 545 Members of Parliament have a family history of politics. That’s over a quarter of the whole House! What is interesting is that this trend of HMPs or Hereditary Members of Parliament cuts across party lines.
Significantly, French observes, there is a direct linear relationship between age and hereditary MPs. A larger proportion of younger MPs have a family political background compared to others. For example, all MPs whose age is less than 30 years are hereditary politicians. Not surprisingly, 69.5% women MPs came into politics through family connections – Sonia Gandhi to Kanimozhi to Agatha Sangma.
As per the study about 6.4% of the MPs made an entry due to their business background and connections.
So my simple point is: EVM or not, elections in this country have been gamed by criminals and heredity political families. Whether you are a common man, an RSS member, a christian fanatic, or a muslim mullah that's an undeniable fact. The direct result of this is what you see in all the corruption broohaha that is going on. This won't change even if you managed to fix the EVMs given the fact that the entire political establishment has been gamed and is biased towards criminals and nalayaks from heredity political families in cahoot with their business fanciers and media friends.
What this country needs is a revolution not elections. Elections are for choosing between one element of the status-quo against another while maintaining that same status quo. Revolutions are for replacing the status-quo. Take your pick and don't let the criminals and nalayak's of political family confuse your distinction between elections and revolution.
Not everything being discussed can be linked to 'Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up' which incidentally happens to be the title of the thread.
"More importantly, I said that Home ministry had said three things: one, Shahid Balwa is connected with Dawood Ibrahim, two that Etisalat is controlled by ISI (Pakistan Intelligence Agency), Telenor is controlled by the Chinese People''s Army, and they have said that both these companies should not be allowed to increase their activities in India, and ignoring that Raja has gone ahead and given it to these companies. Moreover, I said I was in Gujarat recently and I was informed by the people there, reliable people that Shahid Balwa''s has an airport in Palanpur in Banaskantha district," he added.
Since the last few months, the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) has come under intense public and political scrutiny for not initiating prompt and stringent measures to quell the financial mismanagement rampant in the system.
vijayk wrote:There was a lot of gossip about her daughter and Rahul G spend some quality time together. Knowing Renuka, I won't be surprised that she will encourage her daughter.
Hope they get married soon, rahul can her teach money smuggling while she can teach him how to pub bharo
Doc who did Sadhick Batcha autopsy resigns
Arun Ram, TNN | Mar 21, 2011, 11.40am IST
CHENNAI: Dr V Dekal, the forensic surgeon who conducted the postmortem on the body of Sadhick Batcha on Friday, has resigned
from government service.
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"I am yet to make up my mind since the relieving order is yet to come. If it comes soon, I may contest as an independent," he said. Dr Dekal's father was a DMK member.
Thank's for the video Atri. I hope raja,karuna and rani of Delhi, they all get the chance to warm up their musharraf's in the Tihar Jail. In the above link,Subramanium Swamy said because of MMS raja is in jail and the CBI enquiry is going on. Because of this MMS is becoming hated figure with in the congress. Congress is trying to get rid of him now and want to bring Anthony to the PM chair. I mean he is giving the credit to MMS for this investigation. To me it's bit odd. MMS is nothing but powerless.
MUMBAI: Maharashtra government on Monday suspended a senior IPS officer, who allegedly carried out a "sting operation", while interrogating Pune-based stud farm owner Hasan Ali Khan, facing charges of huge money laundering and tax evasion.
The action was taken against deputy police commissioner (Government Railway Police) Ashok Deshbhratar after preliminary inquiry by the CID concluded that the sting operation CD leaked to media was "doctored" and key references were edited to sensationalise the matter, a home ministry official said here.
The CID report revealed the interrogation of Ali was taped using a spy cam and it is suspected that the IPS officer himself used the device, the official said.
While interrogating Ali in a fake passport case when he was arrested in 2008 in Mumbai, Deshbrathar had allegedly made a CD of the investigations in which senior Congress and NCP leaders were allegedly named as discussing the appointment of Mumbai Police Commissioner with the Pune businessman.
In the CD, Ali purportedly spoke about his proximity to Maharashtra home minister R R Patil and other Congress and NCP leaders and claimed that the decision to appoint Hasan Gafoor as Mumbai Police Commissioner was taken during a meeting between him and certain leaders from the two parties.
Deshbhratar is currently on sick leave since March 17.
Irrespective of what some members say, Subramanya Swamy himself is a scam. He supporting MMS and such and such things are consistent with his character.
IMVHO,Shri Swami is neither a superman nor a scamster.He is a maverick.He has no political base in Tamizh nadu or anywhere else.He has the freedom to shoot his mouth,because he has no personal or party stakes.He has useful nuisance value as he has demonstrated a few times.He is a 'perennial outsider' everywhere.Since he doesnt have the responsibility of running anything,he can be used to do limited 'hit and run' jobs.
His intervention in 2G is welcome.It has helped in netting A.King which is no great achievement.But if A.King had gone free,it would have been a shame.To that extent,credit is due to Swamy.Regarding his other targets,only Time will tell whether anything substantial will come out of it.I think it is beyond him to net bigger fish.If the others are caught,it can only be with the help of some of the top most people in govt.
Why no one in the Congress wants to touch Nachiketa Kapur
The adverse intelligence report on him was reportedly based on a case of hacking computers registered at the Parliament Street Police Station in New Delhi. Kapur was also suspected to be involved in getting US visas to ‘questionable persons’, using his contacts in the US Embassy.
Kapur is from Uttarakhand and can be seen hanging around Congress General Secretary Rahul Gandhi's residence. He is a public relations man, making friends of journalists. With the help of a few journalists, Kapur also became an associate member of the Foreign Correspondents' Club in New Delhi.
Sources say the US embassy got interested in Kapur after he gave primary inputs to an embassy staffer at the residence of then Congress MP Satish Sharma, a family friend of the Nehru-Gandhis, that a political counsellor had dropped by for some information.
The US Government was concerned at that time in 2008 about the fate of the civilian nuclear deal it was negotiating with the Manmohan Singh government since it had suddenly come into a minority after the Left parties withdrew support.
India's topmost forensic laboratory has established the authenticity of the tapes used in a sting operation on alleged bribes for cross-voting during the July 2008 trust vote that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's government won in his previous term.
Central Forensic Science Laboratory (CFSL) examined the CDs at the instance of the Delhi Police and established that the contents are not doctored. It submitted its report to the Crime Branch of Delhi Police in January.
The report gains significance in the light of calls for speedy investigation after a WikiLeaks disclosure said a US report from New Delhi mentioned an aide of Congress MP and Gandhi family loyalist Satish Sharma showed two cases of cash to an embassy staffer barely a week before the trust vote.
WikiLeaks editor Julian Assange says Indian leaders are trying to mislead the public by challenging the authenticity of US diplomatic cables suggesting some MPs were bribed during a 2008 parliament trust vote.
"It is not correct to say that all these cables are mere opinions by US diplomats, that is not true," Assange told NDTV's Prannoy Roy in an interview telecast on Monday.
"These are official correspondence sent by ambassadors, sent in their official capacity... They report what they say are facts, and they also present opinions. It's important to keep these two different," he said.
The BJP on Tuesday (March 22) moved a privilege motion against PM Manmohan Singh over the cash-for-votes scandal in the Parliament. BJP leader Sushma Swaraj said she has given privilege notice in Lok Sabha against PM Manmohan Singh on his statement on the Wikileaks revelation on the 2008 trust motion.
The BJP sent the notice of a breach of privilege motion against Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for "misleading" the House over his remarks that the panel which probed the bribe-for-votes scam in 2008 had found insufficient evidence to draw any conclusions.
The Prime Minister had told Parliament last week that no bribe was paid while the Kishore Chandra Deo committee, that looked into the issue, had stated that bribe was paid. It is expected that the Leader of Opposition in Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley will give the notice of breach of privilege against PM in the Upper House.
Incidentally, as a counter to this, the ruling Congress has declared it will move a Privilege Motion against Swaraj for allegedly defying Speaker Meira Kumar last week by trying to seek clarifications from the Prime Minister after his statement on the revelations made by WikiLeaks on the cash-for-vote scam.
As per Parliament rules, clarifications cannot be sought from a minister or the Prime Minister in the Lok Sabha after he/she makes a statement on the demand of the opposition. This provision is there only in the Rajya Sabha.
Mumbai: The Maharashtra Home Minister RR Patil on Tuesday, confirmed that top cop Ashok Deshbhratar has been suspended in connection with the Hasan Ali probe. Patil informed the House that Deshbhratar asked for Rs 1 crore from Ali's associate Yusuf Lakdawala to provide proper facilities to Ali, while he was in police custody. The senior IPS officer allegedly carried out a "sting operation" on Hasan Ali Khan. The alleged suspension also created a ruckus in the State Assembly.
Deshbhratar, who was currently posted as DCP railways, is under the scanner for recording the interrogation of Hasan Ali on spy cam. This recording was leaked to the media, subsequently embarrassing the Maharashtra state government.
A preliminary inquiry by the CID concluded that the sting operation CD leaked to the media was doctored.
Reports indicate this recording of Ali's interrogation contains the names of several NCP and Congress politicians and a former Mumbai police commissioner.
However, senior police officials are keeping mum and have refused to comment on the suspension on Monday.
A few days ago, he had apparently written to the Chief Secretary, seeking permission to intervene in the on-going matters in sessions court.
Meanwhile, the Enforcement Directorate (ED) has claimed a breakthrough in the case.
The Supreme Court had on Monday granted three days of additional custodial interrogation to the ED of Pune stud farm owner Hasan Ali Khan allegedly involved in money laundering activities.
On Saturday, Ali revealed to agencies probing his accounts that a substantial portion of the thousands of crores in his Swiss bank and other accounts elsewhere belonged to top Indian politicians and bureaucrats, including three former chief ministers of Maharashtra.
This breakthrough has come as a breather to the investigating agencies that have been at the receiving end of the courts for their lacklustre probe into Ali's case.
In what could place Ali at the centre of a devious parallel banking network for the country's most corrupt politicos and babus, investigators have found an ingenious money- laundering mechanism that succeeded in turning black money into legitimate earnings through the stock market.
This is the same mechanism which AP CM YSR and his corrupt son Jagan used.
I think this what Karunanidhi and his cronies did.
This is what Sonia's son-in-law is doing I guess.
According to probe agencies, Ali took unaccounted black money from Indian politicians out of the country through the hawala channel and parked them in bank accounts in various countries across the globe, especially Mauritius.
He would then bring this money back to India, invest it in the stock market through participatory notes to buy up shares for people named by the politicians. At times, the money would come in as foreign investment straight into companies floated by friends and family of these politicians.
Ali has told his interrogators that between 1990 to 2000, he got in touch with several top bureaucrats as well, who like the politicians wanted him to launder their ill-gotten wealth. "He says these introductions then became permanent contacts and he did launder money for them several times, also getting his own share of the profit from these transactions. However, he claims that he was just a small fish in the entire episode," said another official source.
What I say might sound silly.May be no 'credit' can be really given to Dr MMS.Given the nature of our polity,things had to go down before breaking point.Think of Mother Earth's appeal to Lord Krishna at the end of Dvapara Yuga.We cannot afford to ignore our regressive genes.That is a luxury only the inbreeders have.
^ Do you really think MMS brought these issues in the public domain & that he was not trying to keep mum as long as he could (Not that when he opened his mouth, something spectacular came out). Whatever is being revealed is despite MMS. There is no uber chanikian niti involved here. In the end, we will make few more laws, couple of parties will win election and claim all is well while others will learn from this episode and try to stifle off any future resistance.
Life will go on....
Dayalu Ammal was a sleeping partner in the firm. Kanimozhi may be aware of the developments, but it was Sharad Kumar who was running Kalaignar TV on a day-to-day basis,” the official quoted above said.
Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy has now charged that Union home minister P Chidambaram and son-in-law of Congress chief Sonia Gandhi, Robert Vadra, too are involved in the multi-crore 2G Spectrum scam.
Speaking to reporters in Chennai, Mr Swamy also claimed that Tamil Nadu chief minister’s wife and daughter, who were recently examined by the CBI, may also be made accused in the case, the DNA newspaper reports.
The Times of India also has a newswire story today which quotes Mr Swamy as saying:
"I will seek the PM's sanction to prosecute Chidambaram. I will also seek the sanction of the PM for the prosecution of Sonia Gandhi, heading the National Advisory Council, for corruption"
While the story does not cite any reasons why he seeks to prosecute Ms Gandhi, the agency story has a cryptic remark on Mr Chidambaram:
He said a cabinet committee had directed former communications minister A Raja and the then finance minister, Chidambaram, to arrive at the price at which the 2G radio waves were to be sold. Swamy alleged that after becoming the home minister, Chidambaram did not pass the information to Raja.
DNA newspaper has more details and a by-lined story by Kumar Chellappan quoted Mr Swamy as saying:
“Vadra has 20% stake in Unitech, one of the telecom operators which benefited through the allocation of second generation mobile telephony spectrum by former union minister A Raja. He is the beneficiary of illegal payments generated through the spectrum scam and Commonwealth Games contracts,” Swamy said
There has been a buzz that the BJP was hesitant to make it(Robert Vadra) into an issue because the son-in-law of former PM Atal Behari Vajpayee, Mr Ranjan Bhattacharya, has also been under the scanner, as his name cropped up during Radia tapes and then again in the Wikileaks cables:
What if Vajpayee's son in law has links with Radiation or close to CON party bigwigs? It is not as if Vajpayee is the PM now. Why should BJP be afraid? He cultivated CON party bigwigs. Does he hold any position in BJP? If he had been given an unsecured loan or 20% stake in telecom during NDA regime, BJP can be defensive. Just because he is a son in law of former PM and he is cultivated by ITALIAN mafia to divide BJP, why does the media bring his name whenever the CON dynasty is cornered?
On the unitech and vadra front, I think MMS is feeding swamy all the info. If the dynasty can be exposed and flushed out, may be CON party can become CONGRESS party of Indians.
svenkat wrote:Many criticise Dr MMS without an iota of understanding of political economy-the need to satisfy the demands of regional satraps,'sons of the soil',pretending that India was suddenly born on 15 th Aug 1947 and India was an idyllic pastoral society before that and ignoring social engineering that had been going on in some parts from atleast 1857.
I salute Dr MMS for bringing these issues in the public domain.Action has been initiated against regional satraps from three states-Maharashtra,AP and TN.One reason is the loot has gone beyond all 'limits'.Also because India has matured,integrated better and developed.Two cheers to Dr MMS and his core group.A platform has been built from which 'Hindu nationalism' can take off as no one can claim victimisation.Ample opportunities have been given for all 'dominant' groups' to make money.
I guess it has nothing to do with Vajpayee's son in law. It must be something bigger than that. BJP must raise this issue of Robert Vadra having 20% stake in Unitech. Unitech is the beneficiary of 2G scam. Loot money from 2G scam has gone to this Vaidra dude as well. This proves that 2G scam has clear direct link to Rajmata Sonia Gandhi. Forget about India story. Our motherland is in deep shit because of this gandhi clan. I hope Gandhi's don't have access to top secrets like nuclear deterrent etc. Who knows if they already have all those secret details and they have been passed to gora sarkars in west.
