Internal Security Watch

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 10 Mar 2011 20:48

Its fireworks before elections. expect few more.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Mar 2011 00:37

Here is the link to Yahoo groups that discusses the book: Breaking India

Folks like Koenraad Elst, Rajiv Malhotra, Kalavai Venkat, Babu Suseelan, Kaushla Vepa ityadi are members and post there. Good source of information.

The group discusses the book 'Breaking India' by Rajiv Malhotra and Aravindan Neelakandan. (Published by Amaryllis, an imprint of Manjul Publishing House Pvt. Ltd., New Delhi in 2011) ISBN 978-81-910673-7-8

The book is subtitled: Western Interventions in Dravidian and Dalit Faultlines.

Overview of the book: India's integrity is being undermined by three global networks that have well-established operating bases inside India:
(1) Islamic radicalism linked with Pakistan;
(2) Maoists and Marxist radicals supported by China via intermediaries such as Nepal; and
(3) Dravidian and Dalid identity separatism being fostered by the West in the name of human rights.

The book focuses on the third: the role of the US and European churches, academics, think-tanks, foundations, governments and human rights groups in fostering separation of the identities of Dravidian and Dalit communities from the rest of India. The book is the result of five years of research, and uses information obtained in the West about foreign funding of these India-based activities. The research tracked the money trails that start out claiming to be for 'education', 'human rights', 'empowerment training', and 'leadership training', but end up in programs designed to produce angry youths who feel disenfranchised from Indian identity.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 11 Mar 2011 09:30

Indian hitman shoots Dawood aide inside Nepal jail

Kathmandu, March 10 (IANS) A former Nepali minister's son, believed to be an associate of terror kingpin Dawood Ibrahim, was shot at inside Nepal's most tightly guarded prison in Kathmandu Thursday by a 42-year-old Indian contract killer, police said.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Mar 2011 08:03

Hassan Ali Khan granted bail

A special court on Friday disallowed the Enforcement Directorate's plea for the custody of the Pune-based businessman, Hasan Ali Khan, citing lack of “reasonable grounds for believing that the accused is guilty under the PMLA [the Prevention of Money Laundering Act]. No case is made out for the custody of the accused. The ED has not been able to place any sufficient material that any scheduled offence was committed by the accused.”

By its own admission, ED said that they have been investigating Hassan Ali since 2006. It raises suspicion when after 5 long years of investigations, the ED has nothing to chargesheet this guy. He should be extremely well connected.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Mar 2011 08:18

Kerala tightens vigil on TN border to curb LTTE activities
Recently, a Sri Lankan minister said LTTE camps were operating in TN. Now, the Kerala move seems to confirm that. GoI denied any such camps. I am inclined to believe that there are a number of pro-LTTE groups in TN (though the no of supporters may be few) who may setup camps. We cannot behave like Pakistan and simply claim there is nothing taking place here. The local DMK government may not like to take strong actions now because of the elections. The Congress at the centre, which needs DMK in the upcoming elections, may tread soft on the issue. However, this could be dangerous.

The Intelligence Bureau is keeping a vigil on the movement of suspected persons in the border areas of Tamil Nadu after it received inputs that members of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam had reportedly tried to set up camps in the forest areas near Idukki district.

Idukki's forest areas bordering Tamil Nadu in the Periyar Tiger Reserve (PTR) could be used by the cadres to regroup.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Mar 2011 22:32

SSridhar wrote:Hassan Ali Khan granted bail
A special court on Friday disallowed the Enforcement Directorate's plea for the custody of the Pune-based businessman, Hasan Ali Khan, citing lack of “reasonable grounds for believing that the accused is guilty under the PMLA [the Prevention of Money Laundering Act]. No case is made out for the custody of the accused. The ED has not been able to place any sufficient material that any scheduled offence was committed by the accused.”
By its own admission, ED said that they have been investigating Hassan Ali since 2006. It raises suspicion when after 5 long years of investigations, the ED has nothing to chargesheet this guy. He should be extremely well connected.

Most likely this HAK is a front for big business house/s in Mumbai. Politicians would be revealed by now by rivals. IOW he might be a holding front for rest of the loot that business house/s has.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 19 Mar 2011 09:07

Attractive communal violence bill soon: Khurshid

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Attractiv ... 75182.aspx

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Mar 2011 13:23

^^ What exactly can be "attractive" about a communal violence bill?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Mar 2011 17:38

Army, Coast Guard called in to fortify Chennai for the India-WI World Cup match
Wow, something unheard of hitherto in Chennai.

The city is getting fortified like never before on the eve of the India-West Indies World Cup match on Sunday.

In the wake of intelligence reports suggesting possible threat to the World Cup venue, the state police have recommended the Army to deploy anti-aircraft arms at strategic places. The DGP has also asked the Indian Coast Guard to step up surveillance along the Chennai coast. The Coast Guard will deploy two of its vessels along the Chennai coast to monitor movements in the sea. More than 2,000 police personnel will be on vigil in and around the MAC Stadium at Chepauk.

"We are taking the help of Army and Coast Guard to provide strategic support," Chennai police commissioner T Rajendran told reporters. The stadium and its periphery will be cordoned off and traffic would be diverted around the area. Only people with valid passes will be allowed near the stadium.

Fishermen along the Chennai coast have been asked to report any suspicious movement to the police. The intelligence wings have been asked to activate the coastal village committees for intelligence gathering.

In addition to the city police, two Swift Action Groups of 100 personnel each and two Quick Reaction Teams of an equal number will take positions in the stadium. These teams will be armed with assault rifles like AK-47s and AK-56s Plainclothes policemen will mingle with the crowd.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 19 Mar 2011 18:56

ramana wrote:
Most likely this HAK is a front for big business house/s in Mumbai. Politicians would be revealed by now by rivals. IOW he might be a holding front for rest of the loot that business house/s has.

This is bigger than that I think. He was the front for several businessmen, politicians. Perhaps like a kingpin of operations. We still don't know about his modus operandi and how he got his money into swiss accounts. Think about it, if it was going through official channels RBI would have picked this up quick time. The RBI is pretty good at that. What about the Hawala angle?

The next case is Hawala Jain that is currently laying low, but when the time is right this will jump into the fray once again just like this HAK case.

HAKs operations is big, he had ministers calling the customs officer who detained him, when the first arrest took place in mumbai airport - Pawar was one of them. Nothing could be done to bail HAK out. This can only mean one thing - First family or someone bigger is gunning for this chap. HAKs operations could not have taken place without local CBDT officers etc not knowing. A lot of people had to be in on this for this level of operations to take place.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 19 Mar 2011 19:14

^^ hehehe good question. Probably business is great, no raids, great business environment. Mumbai is the financial capital etc etc.

But its not to say that there is no hawala operators in other major cities. There are.

Listen, in our country, with all these arrests police/authorities only ever touch the tip of the iceberg with all these scams. Take the recent raids at Mumbai of senior bank employees who were authorising loans illegally without normal requirements in exchange for bribes. Today you don't even need much collateral to get a loan, most of it can be done via bribes. These scams are sooo prevalent, even in small town India. The govt could have gone all the way to the local bank in arrests, but they didn't. They are very careful.

The government will survive all this for now. The prediction is post August, the climax will take place and the hope is that the government will fall.

Sadiq Batcha had links with hawala operators in Dubai

Daniel P George, TNN, Mar 17, 2011, 03.11am IST

CHENNAI: Real estate businessman Sadiq Batcha had close ties with a number of people in Dubai, including known hawala operators, say sources in central intelligence agencies. A team of CBI officials probing the money trail in the 2G spectrum scam was to visit Dubai to collect evidence on hawala transactions and other investments allegedly carried out by Batcha.The CBI had under its scanner a businessman from Kilakari in Ramanathapuram district based in Dubai who is known for his proximity to the rich and famous. Earlier, the CBI had interrogated Mahesh Jain and his brother Bobby, two known hawala operators with Dubai connections, after DB Realty's Shahid Balwa reportedly named them during his questioning.

Batcha used Balwa, another accused in the 2G scam and a frequent visitor to Dubai, for his investments through the hawala route, sources told TOI. Officials said he was familiar with hawala operations in the Gulf and South-East Asia and had extensive contacts.

"The CBI knows the names of hawala operators who channeled funds into UAE but Batcha's death can affect the probe to a certain extent as he was privy to a lot of information not known to others,'' a top diplomat in the Indian mission in Dubai said.

However, Indian ambassador to the UAE M K Lokesh told TOI that he had only read about it from the media and declined to comment on the issue.

CBI was focusing on tracking the money trail that allegedly led from Swan Telecom to close relatives and acquaintances of Raja and then to Dubai. Interrogation of Balwa had also thrown up the names of a few Indian businessmen based in the UAE, sources said. "Three Dubai-based hawala operators have been under the scanner both of the Enforcement Directorate and the CBI after interrogation of some persons arrested by the agency in the scam," said an official in the Indian consulate. Indian diplomats said there was also a move to float a radio station in the UAE by a south-based TV channel and a leading business group in Dubai.

Balwa has sizeable business interests in the UAE and is also the vice-chairman of Etisalat DB. Etisalat DB Telecom Pvt Ltd is a joint venture between Etisalat, a telecom service provider in the UAE, and the Dynamix Balwas Group.

This is very interesting actually.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Mar 2011 20:19

Also Hyderabad old city is a big center for hawala but in small amounts.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 19 Mar 2011 21:10

Folks just came back from Desh, they were saying due to elections in TN, heavy police presence on main highways and state highways etc. Lots of checkpoints. Basically the ECI has intel that DMK is planning to buy votes - Rs 2000 per person. In order to prevent this, they have deployed CRPF/CISF with local TN cops at checkpoints. Anyone who is carrying serious amounts of cash or even goods such as gold etc are having this detained until further documents/bills are provided to confirm the purchase. Business is coming to a standstill. People coming to buy land or even Banks transporting money are having their $$$s seized. A big businessmen who were shipping in stock to their store had Crores worth of goods seized until verification was provided. Policemen on checkpost are saying they have seized Crores of cash daily.

Just shows you Yindustan is awash with cash.

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Government ignored intelligence inputs on Shahid Balwa's D-links

Josy Joseph, TNN | Mar 19, 2011, 01.02am IST

The govt ignored warnings by intelligence agencies of Shahid Balwa's underworld links.
NEW DELHI: The security establishment has several specific details to link Shahid Balwa, his father Usman Ebrahim Balwa, Vinod Goenka, his father Krishna Murari and brother Pramod Goenka to the Dawood gang and Chhota Shakeel. Shahid Balwa and Vinod Goenka are currently in jail in connection with the 2G scam.

Over the past seven-eight years, there has been a stream of inputs on the underworld links of both the families, a senior official said. The official, who looked at the two families as well as companies such as the Jet Airways in the past told TOI, "It's disheartening. We invest so much resource because there are serious issues of national security. But governments just ignore them."

According to documents seen by TOI, as late as 2008, after Swan Telecom was given 2G licence, there were inputs to show that both Shahid Balwa and his father Usman Balwa were in close contact with Chhota Shakeel. Alongside were inputs of the intelligence agencies, cautioning the government against permitting UAE's Etisalat to invest in Swan. Both of these inputs had no impact on the expansion of Swan Telecom.

The first input from Mumbai on the Goenkas came in March 2003 when Tariq Abdul Karim Merchant, a close associate of Chhota Shakeel, was arrested. In his interrogation Merchant, also known as Tariq Bhai, said Vinod Goenka's father Krishna Murari Goenka and brother Pramod Goenka were associated with the D Company. Merchant told them about Pramod Goenka carrying out property deals with Jabir Moti, a Karachi resident and an important member of the D Company.

The most important details are from October 2003, when builder Rajesh Patange was shot dead in Nallasopara by four underworld operatives.

In his dying declaration Patange named Krishna Murari Goenka among those behind his murder. Surprisingly, the Mumbai police did not act against Goenka, sources told TOI. He was neither arrested nor chargesheeted. In September 2004, when Mumbai crime branch arrested Zameeruddin Ghulam Rasool Ansari, an associate of Anees Ibrahim, further details of the Goenka family's links to the underworld spilled out. He spoke in detail about Pramod Goenka's links with Dawood and his brother Anees. He spoke also about the heavy investments of D Company in Pramod Goenka's businesses.

After Abu Salem was brought back to India in November 2005 from Portugal, the investigators got further inputs on the links of the two families. Among other details, Salem told the interrogators that Pramod was a prominent guest at the wedding of Humayun, younger brother of Dawood. The marriage was held in Karachi.

Marut · Post by **Marut** » 20 Mar 2011 10:35

Marten wrote:
I've seen Telgi, the ACP who was arrested with him, and an assistant prosecutor at the same hospital (Ruby in Pune) in rooms next to each other, and enjoying chai in each others' company. One of the Pawarful advisers was a frequent visitor to first two of the folks above.

Nothing will come of this investigation, as well. Unless there is a change in the government and Uddhav is part of it. That would bring about another set of issues later, but at the very least it would pull out the current set of frontmen.

Well the Telgi scam was a really bad time for Mumbai Police with its JCP(Crime) and then the CP himself getting arrested. The Telgi scam if taken to its logical conclusion would have exposed HAK and his front activities much earlier than now, but then if wishes were horses...

Anyways any particular reason for Uddhav? Guess he didn't get to put a finger in the pie..

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 25 Mar 2011 08:01

WC final may see fidayeen or chemical attack: IB

Time to get the IA ready for cold start/hot start or whatever start so that pigs can be repaid in real time if things go bad. If the chief again says i need three weeks we wont be left with any other option except suspending talks and sending dossiers

On second thoughts i think if something happens INC will see it as the last straw which will save from the current deluge of scams and may possibly take some action ?

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 25 Mar 2011 15:52

MPs lambast Chidambaram for ‘anti-national’ comments

Home Minister P Chidambaram on Friday came under attack in Parliament for reportedly saying that India would have made more progress if it had only Southern and Western parts, with some members demanding his removal for utterances "against national unity".

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 25 Mar 2011 20:20

he gone crack or what?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Mar 2011 20:46

^^^ No. He is on crack. For saying something like THAT.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Mar 2011 20:49

That's a common bias/view that he stated. He has blamed UP and Bihar openly, in recent past. But so has Sheila Dixit and may be many others, incl members here, might hold similar views. What's the big deal in revelation.

Also he can't deny, lest voice sample surface.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Mar 2011 21:45

chaanakya wrote:That's a common bias/view that he stated. He has blamed UP and Bihar openly, in recent past. But so has Sheila Dixit and may be many others, incl members here, might hold similar views. What's the big deal in revelation.

Also he can't deny, lest voice sample surface.

Looks like we have a rogue generation who after serving for 30-40+ years in India say that some parts are not needed.
This is the same thing about INC who will stop commenting on progress on education, development etc in the last 50 years. They will start also blaming the opposition.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Mar 2011 21:53

Didnt JLN talk about no blade of grass grows in Aksai Chin?

Didnt the Independence generation say the lands in West and East of Gangetic Plains are not needed and accepted Partition?

Didnt JLN accost Sheikh Abdullah's advse about the people of Northern Areas as not Kashmiris and allow the Cease Fire line in 1948?

Didnt they accept Burma is not part of India in 1935?

So there is a pattern of thinking in elite that others are not needed while they can loot the center.

Don't they treat Sri Lanka as hostiles?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Mar 2011 23:19

chaanakya wrote:That's a common bias/view that he stated. He has blamed UP and Bihar openly, in recent past. But so has Sheila Dixit and may be many others, incl members here, might hold similar views. What's the big deal in revelation.

Also he can't deny, lest voice sample surface.

To all the Shiela Dixits and Chidus and other *ife swapping group sexers - There is no India without large gaonwaalas of UP,Biahr and also AP. Yeah they are large and they swat and shit across India. Either enjoy the gobar or just quit India. No need of these two bit elegance-velegance type sermons. **** - India's deep backwaters need to take over India again.

negi · Post by **negi** » 25 Mar 2011 23:28

I thought Chidu sir was at the helm exactly for this reason i.e. to help the backward regions catch up with the performers; looks like he is trying to give tough competition to our dear MuKa.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 25 Mar 2011 23:41

PC is extremely ambitious. He would hurt any/everyone, including his motherland, that are perceived to be obstacle to his Ascension.

His Dec'9th wisdom was his salvo against any possible INC contender from South. Now he is addressing the Northern competition.

As long as he has the freedom to rule and loot his ego will be satisfied even with a village sarpanch position. That is his natural capacity. Somehow he ascended to national politics but cannot let go of his natural character

"Kanakapu Simhasanamuna.... {One cannot change the natural habit of a dog, that is peeing in the corner of anything standing including the very throne, by coronating it on a throne on the most auspicious day}" - Sumati Satakam

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 26 Mar 2011 06:45

To be fair on Chidu - isnt he a princeling of a blue-blood line? It should be natural for such a deep-seated alienation from the "commons" to develop in such circumstances. Even if it is some "compassion" and "empathy" it is from the patronizing level - just as many "English friends of India" were. Well meaning, but not always aware of the sense of alienation from the people.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 26 Mar 2011 12:27

jagga wrote:MPs lambast Chidambaram for ‘anti-national’ comments

Good! Now can we also monitor what these MPs have do to improve the living standards of poor people in UP and Bihar. Chidu made a very sad comment, and at a very wrong place. But does that mean it is an out right lie? I dont think so.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 26 Mar 2011 15:37

Guys, I'm trying to find the exact cable where Roemer quotes Chidambaram... Can't seem to find it on the Hindu wikileaks site... So far it seems to be only in a story of what Roemer reported that Chidambaram said... There's another cable about the agenda for Chidambaram's US visit, but that's all I could find... If someone can post a link to the exact Roemer cable, that would be nice.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Mar 2011 01:45

The PCA Stadium is expecting jam-packed stands, including scores of Pakistani fans. Over 16,000 match tickets, PCA officials claim, were sold over in a day and a half, and the remaining tickets for the 28,000-capacity stadium were bought by the ICC to be distributed to its officials and guests. It is reported that several tickets are being sold in the black market for over 10 times the actual cost.
http://www.hindu.com/2011/03/27/stories ... 990100.htm

Now any estimation of pakis here?, and how many are real TSPians perhaps may not use this venue but this event to enter India and disappear for future kasabs?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Mar 2011 08:47

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/south ... 110311.htm
South India is fast becoming a fake currency hub

The drug cartel in Tamil Nadu and the radicalisation underway in Kerala [ Images ] have prompted terror groups from the across the border to pump in fake currency down south. Recently, there were reports stating that groups such as the Al Qaeda [ Images ] were routing a lot of money for terror-based operations through south India [ Images ].

Investigators have seized fake currency to the tune of nearly Rs 18 crore from south India in the recent past. And the numbers have been on the rise. While Rs 8 crore was seized in 2009, last year fake notes amounting to Rs 10 crore were seized, a clear indication of the flourishing money racket in south India, say investigators.

Terror groups shifted their operations base to south India owing to the high security presence along the Nepal, Pakistan and Bangladesh borders. These borders were once considered the safest routes to pump in counterfeit currency into India. It took a while for security agencies to bust this network and although they have not entirely succeeded, they have managed to curb these illegal operations along the borders to a large extent.

Reports by the Intelligence Bureau suggest that fake currency will be now be routed through the southern states. The currency is being circulated out of Tamil Nadu and Kerala into Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka. The money is picked up from these places by agents and then distributed to other parts of the country, IB officials said.

With almost all terror organisations having set up base in Kerala, it was the favoured choice of anti-social elements. But what has baffled investigators is the increasing inflow of counterfeit currency into Tamil Nadu.

A recent arrest of two drug peddlers in Bengaluru [ Images ] revealed how south India had become a hub for narcotics trafficking and money-laundering. The peddlers confessed that they operated in Chennai, but further investigation brought to light that the police had zeroed in on the small fry.

The Tamil Nadu capital is the headquarters for the trade in date rape drugs, which is controlled by the drug mafia from Goa [ Images ]. The hand of a Russian mafiosi and fugitive underworld don Dawood Ibrahim [ Images ] is also suspected, say investigators.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 27 Mar 2011 21:45

India Today Conclave - Subramanian Swamy

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 29 Mar 2011 01:26

Agitated crowd attack Swami Agnivesh in Chhattisgarh

Agitated crowd, comprising of women and a group of Special Police Officers (SPOs), threw eggs at social activist Swami Agnivesh, hurled abuses, pulled him out of his car, pushed him around and forced him to return as he was proceeding towards Tadmetla near Chintalnar where the security forces had allegedly set more than a 100 houses ablaze following the death of their three colleagues in an encounter with Maoists on March 14.

A large number of people, including women, were present at Dornapal crossing, blocking the road that leads to Chintalnar. As Swamy Agnivesh’s vehicle stopped, few people gathered around his vehicle and shouted “Are we all animals? Don’t we have any human rights? See these women. They are widows of Errabore, where the Maoists had set ablaze a relief camp killing more than 33 people few years ago”.

These youths also snatched camera, mobile phones and bags from a couple of media personnel and pushed them accusing the media of playing into the hands of rights activists and directly and indirectly supporting the Maoists. The youth, apparently SPOs, were alert to ensure that no photographs are taken.
“Where were you when 76 security personnel were massacred by the Maoists at Tadmetla in April last year? Where were you when the Naxalites set the relief camp on firefew years and burnt 33 people, including children, alive few years ago?”, the agitated crowed threw questions at Swamy Agnivesh, Art of Living Gurus and at the media personnel accompanying them.

Apart from Dornapal, hundreds of people, who are staying in the relief camps at Errabore and Pollampalli, had gathered on the way from Dornapal to Chintalnar to prevent Swamy Agnivesh and media personnel from reaching Tadmetla. Most of the relief camps—which were set up by the government after the Salwa Judum movement— are being guarded by the Special Police Officers (SPOs), the local youth recruited on honorarium basis, to assist the security forces.

“Every action seemed that someone had taught them to do so. I am going back to Sukma and wait to talk to Chief Minister Raman Singh. Suspicious people are following us in vehicles without number plates. What does it mean? “, Swami Agnivesh told the Indian Express while returning from Dornapal.

Even the local government staff is scared of the SPOs said a group of government staff, who went to these villages yesterday to supply relief material and food to the affected tribals, were threatened by the SPOs not the visit this area again. “SPOs have become reckless. Somehow we managed to return to Dornapal”, a government who accompanied the team said.

pulling from musharraf. not talking about communists causing mayhem.

There should be a concerted effort to unmask these scums, their financial base and supporters.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 Mar 2011 12:05

Aseemanand takes back all he said, was ‘coerced’

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/aseem ... ed/769654/

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 01 Apr 2011 08:38

http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011-prov ... t_2011.pdf

A district in nagaland saw almost 60% decrease in population

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 01 Apr 2011 12:11

^^^ The two districts you see in Nagaland are Longleng and Kiphire. They are from E. Nagaland and home base to ENPO, a group that wants a separate state in E. Nagaland (Mon, Longleng, Kiphire, Tuensang districts). The tribes are mostly Konyaks and support NSCN(K) which is basically a Konyak movement in the guise of Naga solidarity. There has been a huge exodus of these people to Arunachal Pr. (Tirap, Changlang) and also Burma (esp. Kachin State and Sagaing division), which are now the home bases of NSCN(K). In the same slide, you can see that Kurung Kumey district has seen a >100% increase in population. I am not sure about Kurung Kumey as it is far away from Nagaland. My uneducated guess is that the Lower Subansiri project has moved some people from these districts to Kurung Kumey. Most districts in Arunachal that border Nagaland will also have seen such abnormal increases due to NSCN(IM) vs. NSCN(K) fights + systemic discrimination by the Tangkhul tribe that dominates the power profile in the DAN government. In terms of %, Kurung Kumey is exaggerated due to low base of population to start with.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Apr 2011 13:57

abhishek_sharma wrote:Aseemanand takes back all he said, was ‘coerced’

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/aseem ... ed/769654/

SOP previously set up by..........

Monkey see monkey do!

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 01 Apr 2011 14:06

chetak wrote:SOP previously set up by..........

Every single criminal in the country - admit in front of the police, save yourself the trouble, retract in front of the judge.........Its "criminal defence procedure" 101...

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 01 Apr 2011 14:25

Somnath, when the Chattisgarh District Sessions Court gave a verdict against Binayak Sen, you came rushing in to defend the "liberal saint" of India. And here, in the Aseemanand case, when a verdict has not been pronounced, you are rushing in to indirectly label him a criminal.

Given that you quoted some bullshit precedence arguments in the Binayak Sen case without reading two lines of the verdict(s), let me tell you something about law. Unless Aseemanand has confessed before a Magistrate or higher up in the legal hierarchy, his withdrawal of his confessional statement is exactly that, a withdrawal. And if you shoot before you speak, you are yet again violating the law, as you did in the Binayak Sen verdict fallout. Two cents of unsolicited advice: learn to read the law book in the way it is meant to be read, not as per your whims and fancies depending on who is accused and motivated by your ideological proclivities. Whether you sit with your biases openly on your shoulders or otherwise, law is meant to be blind to such idiocies.

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 01 Apr 2011 15:29

Stan-ji

1. It is useful to comprehend the context before hyperventilating a response.
My post was in response to Chetak's post on "SOP was previously set by...". And to that I simply commented what is a well-known fact in criminal investigation circles, ie, criminals over the years have perfected the art of confession and retraction to take advantage of the Evidence Act. Now every defendent culpable or not is free to use that strategy. The remark wasn't about aseanand's culpability.

2. Re binayak sen, I had taken the trouble of reading the (Hindi) judgement and background that had come out in copious detail before criticising the judgement. And a lot people have done so as well. Let's see what the high court has to say.

Now I am not a lawyer, don't need to read law books. You obviously do so - maybe you should explain your bizarre claims then that "critique of a court judgement is illegal in India"!
Likes of prashant and shanti bhushan, ram jethmalani et al would have gone to jail many times over had that been the case!

Maybe you were reading law books of a different country!

3. About aseemanand specifically, I really have nothing to say. But a piece of advice from someone who knows a bit about this case (and a few people who are investigating the same) - don't hyperventilate at every twist of the case. There is a lot left to be disclosed in the public domain, at this rate of hyperventilation you will only wear out your lungs:)

so chill - the allusion to criminality was not to the specific case - only to the genesis of the strategy. Tht is only being drawn by you, hopefully it's not Freudian?

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 01 Apr 2011 16:03

By law, no one is a criminal, even if arrested, until he is proven guilty. I think the argument is that "criminals" tend to do a certain tactical move with respect to giving and retracting confessions. Since Aseemanand has not particularly been mentioned as such a "criminal" in that particular sentence, one should not think that the statement was made about his "criminality"! Even putting the sentence after a direct quote about Aseemanand is not legally connectible to "criminality". This technique should be learned by all BRFites!

By the way, any court of law can take cognizance of a critique of any judgment that has formally been passed - if such a critique has been made by someone not involved in the appropriate judicial authority [a higher court, a higher court bench, etc]. Whether the court chooses to do so or not, is entirely up to the court's discretion. Depends on terminology, for example if you say you are "disappointed" with the ruling, that is not really criticizing the ruling. People can express their personal emotions about is freely, with arguments, as long as the ruling itself is not challenged as "wrong". Then it becomes a matter of the court's discretion.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 02 Apr 2011 03:16

Chindu article says that 2001 census in Nagaland was madrassa statistics.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/oth ... 590652.ece