Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 29 Mar 2011 16:27

meanwhile pakistani media reports
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXetsIULF4w

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 29 Mar 2011 17:53

That sniffer dog team. The camo pattern seems to be like that of BSF, than CRPF.

If the digital camo guys are Punjab Police SWAT, who are the blue uniformed guys then? And the black uniformed policemen in the last pic?

And 3rd question. Who are the RAB?

sarabpal.s · Post by **sarabpal.s** » 29 Mar 2011 18:09

What the hell BRDM doing in this [email protected].

We did not use them evan in Kashmir leave alone here.

May be this is just another clip planted by Pak media to fed their people.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Mar 2011 18:16

RAB is a BD force, rapid action battalion. those shots are probably from mirpur where they did deploy APC's after the stoning incident.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 29 Mar 2011 18:31

A lot of politicos n babooz arriving for da maach. Hence all dis segurity. I doubt it is for the match, as the paki tv blabs.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 29 Mar 2011 18:33

shiv wrote: I think it is an exaggeration to say that "everything is unmanned these days". It would not be difficult to have a remote controlled 12.7 mm gun but 99% of 12.7 mm (0.5 in) guns in the world are manned because they are heavy enough to engage "medium" targets more than 2 km away but too light for formal conflict with cannons and missiles. They are mostly anti-personnel and anti-materiel. On a CG ship they will take on pirates in fishing vessels/dhows etc. At 2000 meters plus the 12.7 outranges any hand held pirate rifles and even RPGs. Ships with anything heavier are not meant to be engaged. When your gun outranges your chosen target you don't need cover any more than artillery men need bulletproof vests. These vessels are hardly going to serve in a combat zone thick with incoming fire. If the other guy has a 4 inch cannon the CG vessel has had it anyway. From 10 km away.

About the tube lights - when you have an organization as big as the Coast guard - you have a central stock that is standardized with inexpensive locally available material that serves the purpose. LEDs are only now beginning to touch the India market and I think 90% are of Chinese origin and would hardly be found in the spares supply stores of the Coast guard

I think either you misinterpreted what I wrote with the word "everything" throwing you off or maybe I failed to communicate my point effectively. My intention wasn't to state that "everything is unmanned" it was infact "with everything taking the unmanned route"these days...In anycase having worked with the M2's .50 cal I can tell you first hand of a sys called Remote Wepon System (RWS) developed by the Dutch. An effective sniper and a sniper rifle is all one needs to take out the gunner, regardless of what area one operates in (land, sea). Carl Gustav's and RPG's are a different scenairo, but if pirates are adamant on escaping they will devise a strategy around these ships and with these being operated by a manned gunner, there is an equal opportunity for "martyrdom" for both sides.
I very well agree and understand the problems of logistics and supply vs demand, but these being 8 & 9th ships in their delivery schedules, one would hope for an "incremental improvents/updates" and posisble refits to legacys ones when they come in for a reset? LED's available in India may be 90% Chinese designed & manufactured but one would never buy those as they probably would be 9% reliable being that they are Chinese! (this would be way off topic, but developing LED's isn't as hard as rocket science and I'm sure Innovative Indian start up's would have this technology). About my point on armor - it wasn't meant in the context of a combat zone it was simply to shield the lights from small arms fire as to not hamper their ability to navigate (not that it would matter as it has thermal, night visions capability) but SAR would still need some lights. I was thinking more on the like of clear armored glass, but I suppose the IN/Coast Guard would have a better knowledge of their "requirements" and what would go on these vessels thant I would..

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 29 Mar 2011 19:02

atreya wrote:That sniffer dog team. The camo pattern seems to be like that of BSF, than CRPF.

If the digital camo guys are Punjab Police SWAT, who are the blue uniformed guys then? And the black uniformed policemen in the last pic?

And 3rd question. Who are the RAB?

i guess one of them is Punjab police SWATs and another one is Chandigarh police SWAT

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 29 Mar 2011 19:03

Pamba Aux craft bridge

koti · Post by **koti** » 29 Mar 2011 19:11

In case any of you failed to observe, Punjab Police SWAT guys are equipped with MP7.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Mar 2011 20:07

Craig Alpert wrote:
I think either you misinterpreted what I wrote with the word "everything" throwing you off or maybe I failed to communicate my point effectively. My intention wasn't to state that "everything is unmanned" it was infact "with everything taking the unmanned route"these days...In anycase having worked with the M2's .50 cal I can tell you first hand of a sys called Remote Wepon System (RWS) developed by the Dutch. An effective sniper and a sniper rifle is all one needs to take out the gunner, regardless of what area one operates in (land, sea). Carl Gustav's and RPG's are a different scenairo, but if pirates are adamant on escaping they will devise a strategy around these ships and with these being operated by a manned gunner, there is an equal opportunity for "martyrdom" for both sides.
I very well agree and understand the problems of logistics and supply vs demand, but these being 8 & 9th ships in their delivery schedules, one would hope for an "incremental improvents/updates" and posisble refits to legacys ones when they come in for a reset? LED's available in India may be 90% Chinese designed & manufactured but one would never buy those as they probably would be 9% reliable being that they are Chinese! (this would be way off topic, but developing LED's isn't as hard as rocket science and I'm sure Innovative Indian start up's would have this technology). About my point on armor - it wasn't meant in the context of a combat zone it was simply to shield the lights from small arms fire as to not hamper their ability to navigate (not that it would matter as it has thermal, night visions capability) but SAR would still need some lights. I was thinking more on the like of clear armored glass, but I suppose the IN/Coast Guard would have a better knowledge of their "requirements" and what would go on these vessels thant I would..

Carigji! Sniper? Shooting at a coast guard vessel gunner from 2 km away at sea? Saar let us skip this bit.

I put it to you that 99% of duties of coast guard vessel do not involve being fired at by anyone. When the firing starts it will have to be Navy.

But leave that aside - if you ask my unkal to show you photos of 12.7 mm bundooks - you find that they are standard armament on the tops of armored personnel carriers with no protection for the gunner. There is absolutely no reason why the gunner should not be protected from fire. After all the driver of APC like captain of CG ship are cosy and safe compared to gunner. Clearly armor protection of the gunner or even automation is not seen as a necessary component with that grade of weapon. I do not know why. The reason I quoted was a likely reason. I suspect it has some very specific and limited uses. Otherwise even a 23 mm or 30 mm cannon can be used.

I will see if I can dig up more info. But maybe post in the newbie or CG thread.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 29 Mar 2011 20:29

Nice to see the Punjab police keep up. probably along with the TN police

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 29 Mar 2011 20:31

This plethora of security forces is a concern though

how the hell do they coordinate

Gurinder P · Post by **Gurinder P** » 29 Mar 2011 22:25

Surya wrote:This plethora of security forces is a concern though

how the hell do they coordinate

Semaphore,

And with the elite forces, digitally encrypted semaphore

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 30 Mar 2011 07:58

Was not aware of this memorial in Jammu

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110329.htm

If any BRite goes there we need better pictures

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 30 Mar 2011 08:33

atreya wrote: Who are the RAB?

The entity Paki players start praying to when they need to get their nuts hauled out of fire.

nits · Post by **nits** » 30 Mar 2011 18:55

Mohali Match Security

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 30 Mar 2011 20:20

WoW! When was the last time that a bunch of Indian security forces was posted and there was no bitchin about helmets and what not. Very neat.

vic · Post by **vic** » 30 Mar 2011 23:03

First time I have seen Black INSAS in service

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 30 Mar 2011 23:14

vic wrote:First time I have seen Black INSAS in service

Saw a black insas with folding butt with a CISF unit guarding a Delhi metro station a couple of years back.. Couldn't recognize it was an INSAS at first..

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 30 Mar 2011 23:25

Is it simply a black painted INSAS or is it the Excalibur variant? I guess the latter was rejected by the Army

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 Mar 2011 06:51

atreya wrote:Is it simply a black painted INSAS or is it the Excalibur variant? I guess the latter was rejected by the Army

I saw a proper black INSAS at the OFB stall in Aero India and asked what made them change from that horrible orange. He had no reply.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 31 Mar 2011 12:07

Its only on BR one can discuss colour

Anyways, the Nepal Army INSAS has single round and full auto modes, and has black furniture. IA INSAS has single round and 3-round burst modes, and has orange furniture. Not sure whether furniture colour is user defined or manufacturer defined. However it seems highly unlikely police forces will use a full auto INSAS.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 31 Mar 2011 14:39

PARA SF:

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 01 Apr 2011 05:48

.RAF Jawan
Rapid Action Force's well padded up jawan at Wankhede Stadium ahead of the WC 2011 Final

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 01 Apr 2011 07:07

Gaur wrote:PARA SF:

He is the same dude who featured in some photos practicing with CRPF guys in some jungle area. at that time as well everyone questioned by para-military guys are using SF insignia that too in incorrect manner.

I seriously believe he is not form Para SF.

Edit - phound the image

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 01 Apr 2011 14:41

The dude above is indeed ex army of some sort. He is now one of the highest level KungFu masters in Asia and runs a private company that runs commando training camps for Police/Para Mils doing AntiNaxal duties..He has a very interesting blog. Though i have to admit his youtube videos seem extremely clownish..lol

Some more ShifuJi Pictures

Here the dude is wearing Marcos Ensignia lol

http://shifuji.blogspot.com/

His Name is Deepak Dubey and is also called Shifuji . You can youtube his videos (including his Paramil training).. Dont know about his mil credentials but in the Martial arts world (Globally) this guy is a big personality. Under Mission Prahar initiative of his he claims to have created a unique Combative Martial Art system for the forces. Apparently he helped trained force one as well.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 01 Apr 2011 15:54

rkhanna wrote:. <snip>Though i have to admit his youtube videos seem extremely clownish..lol
</snip>

That is putting it slightly.

I visited his blog and youtube channel. It was really goofy. But then who am I to say anything? He is training central police forces among other things. Plus you say that he is a renowned Martial Artist. Well, I guess people come in all flavors. He certainly has highly respectful credentials.

But it would be really interesting to know the capacity in which he was related to IA. Does someone have more information to share on this?

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 01 Apr 2011 15:56

Gaur wrote:
rkhanna wrote:. <snip>Though i have to admit his youtube videos seem extremely clownish..lol
</snip>
That is putting it slightly.
I visited his blog and youtube channel. It was really goofy. But then who am I to say anything? He is training central police forces among other things. Plus you say that he is a renowned Martial Artist. Well, I guess people come in all flavors. He certainly has highly respectful credentials.

But it would be really interesting to know the capacity in which he was related to IA. Does someone have more information to share on this?

he used to have another more "sober" website which does not seem to be loading..will keep digging. but nonetheless a very colourful character. lol

But do notice on his blog how in some pictures he is wearing SF ensignia and others MARCOS

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 01 Apr 2011 16:02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3R4LC_oMRg

Thats a youtube link to Zee Coverage of his training...

This from the comments section!

Jai hind Sir great job done Great patriot,kindly come to our unit also we all are waiting for another deadly Commando training of your kind & type,You are the best Commando Instructor we have ever seen met & worked with ,Thank you Sir

Commando Sukvinder Singh

The Delta Unit Special Forces

CommandoSingh100

hmmmm..

Most innovative way of Assaulting Built Up areas

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 01 Apr 2011 16:17

rkhanna wrote: But do notice on his blog how in some pictures he is wearing SF ensignia and others MARCOS

Yes, I found that very strange. Even more strange was the fact that the insignia was not of MARCOS even though "MARINE COMMANDOS" was written underneath it.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Fx1ddAiInDE/T ... C01076.JPG

As for the comment by "CommandoSingh100"....he is all over the Missionprahar channel. His comments can be seen in all of channel videos. Sometimes he posts the same message multiple times in succession.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 01 Apr 2011 16:20

^^^ though that makes him less credible ...however he does seem to be training those blokes with serious hardware.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 01 Apr 2011 16:25

rkhanna wrote:^^^ though that makes him less credible ...however he does seem to be training those blokes with serious hardware.

Yes, cannot argue with that. Even so, it would be interesting to know about his relation with IA.

chandanus · Post by **chandanus** » 01 Apr 2011 16:45

He seems hungry for publicity ...anyways..how can one serve in MARCOS and IA SF@same time ??

Marut · Post by **Marut** » 01 Apr 2011 16:47

Wah, another charlatan comes to peddle his wares. He may be ex-military but pics on the blog seem to be PSed (most of the kung fu ones - seems like Chandni Chowk to China!) He reminds me of the husband-wife team that claims to be training our SF in the deadliest of the martial arts.

I will not discuss anymore as I can see Surya coming with a big danda and whacking us all

negi · Post by **negi** » 01 Apr 2011 20:30

MSG-90

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 01 Apr 2011 20:47

@ ^^
What about it?

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 01 Apr 2011 21:02

Our security scenario turning more private has this unfortunate side effect

these charlatans (bollywood guru

) try to make a quick buck.

so much photoshopping - who will even bother to even look further???

Which professional SDRE SF operator behaves like this??

The Rao gang at least did not photoshop - their modus operandi was use their contacts and arrange for so called demos , take pictures of them and then turn them around and say "hey see the folks we are training'.

They kept pestering the cmdts of schools to come over and demo and would bring their publicity team with them

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 01 Apr 2011 21:27

vdutta wrote:meanwhile pakistani media reports
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXetsIULF4w

Can you guys identify which outfit is it @0.32-0.34?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Apr 2011 21:34

I have already said it last page.
rapid action battalion

(RAB) of bangladesh.

the APC's confirm it, for they did field APC's at mirpur stadium after the stoning incident.
the pakidiots have used the footage of dhaka for their mohali news item.

they have used such a hodge podge of footage it is difficult to be sure which one is which. for example I get the feeling the Mi-17 at the end is a pak army one.

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 01 Apr 2011 22:50

Rahul M wrote:I have already said it last page.
rapid action battalion

(RAB) of bangladesh.

the APC's confirm it, for they did field APC's at mirpur stadium after the stoning incident.
the pakidiots have used the footage of dhaka for their mohali news item.

they have used such a hodge podge of footage it is difficult to be sure which one is which. for example I get the feeling the Mi-17 at the end is a pak army one.

Even that Mi-17 is also from Bangladesh Air Force.. following are the stills from the same... boy our Indian news channels have some serious competition across borders...