Telangana Monitor

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 24 Mar 2011 23:29

Dasari wrote:It only shows the despicable nature of politics in the name of separate movement, and here the 5 neutral observers are painstakingly and candidly asking the government to do everything to stop the division of the state.

Pro-naxal Judge may be reprimanded by government and SC for revealing the document which is marked as secret. The judge while wanting to help T folks also helped United-AP folks.

By knowing these now, United AP folks need not compromise on any underhand deals Congress may be putting. Central Congress was bidding time but no more. Now T folks push congress, Congress can now say you already know we can't do much for separate T as per SKC. End of dramas of politicians going to Delhi and Hyderabad for fake protests.

"Manage Politicians and media out" is classic

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Mar 2011 04:01

Dated ReDiff interview with J Sharma Prof of Uty Hyderabad

TERS does not represent Telangana Movement

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Mar 2011 04:08

There was a statement in the resent past from one High Court judge ( i do not know if it is the same one) saying that the SKC report is wrong etc. Now this. AP High Court seems to be very very politically active. Earlier during the agitation by OU students (???) also it has taken active part in ordering measures supportive of agitation like giving permission which was refused by police etc. We have to see how it all turns out.

There was a debate in TV yesterday wherein Mr Kesavulu of TDP has told that they had gone to Delhi and met the Home Secretary when the news of destruction of the statues on Tank bund has come. It seems Home Secretary made a comment that " earlier there was some hesitation in accepting the SKC recommedations but now with this there is no option by the accept them" I think that summerises the mood in Home Ministry.

Political leadership of INC now does not have courage to go against its allies, its leaders like Pranab etc, Home Ministry and the take a risk of losing the state (and even central) governament and then give Telangana. Barring something drastically changing I think Telangana state may be not given at least in near future.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Mar 2011 06:30

Narayana Rao wrote:There was a debate in TV yesterday wherein Mr Kesavulu of TDP has told that they had gone to Delhi and met the Home Secretary when the news of destruction of the statues on Tank bund has come. It seems Home Secretary made a comment that " earlier there was some hesitation in accepting the SKC recommedations but now with this there is no option by the accept them" I think that summerises the mood in Home Ministry.

This was the plan and they orchestrated exactly as per plan. It is simply a joke that police could not stop the so called million march. They have the intel and they know that on tankbund the statues will be uprooted and it will be all over TV. It is allowing the T movement to go berseck so that it can be discredited and also branded as some maoist junk. AP has huge police and intel assests and they are not bad in stopping something. Post SRK they did not allow a single incident outside OU. Even on OU thugs they used something called as pellets instead of bullets. The police chief came on TV and explained what will happen when pellets go thru the skin and how they are able to arrest.

See SKC's 8th chapter may be implemented to letter and spirit. KCR cannot sustain his movement. Even if it looks like he is succeeding it is actually the government allowing to look like that way. His party has broken several times already. Again three MLAs crossvoted. They cannot keep their shit together and KCR speaks one voice in the morning and one at night. The game is to cook some stupid solution with HYD out of Telangana etc.

Regarding the note and its contents -
I am just amazed as it matched with my interaction with a retired IAS type. He is not APite but he worked with defence related orgs. It was way before even SKC was formed. Per him entire T was politically modeled and AP Governer being ex-IB guy was also involved in the T political modeling. Per them, there will be neither congress, BJP nor TDP once T forms. All these parties along with five other maoist supported parites will get some 10 to 15 seats each. MIM being the Hyd centric may become king maker.It is exacly like Jharkhand where 8 parties got 10 each. According to the IB folks, inspite of all secular and muslim-apeasement stuff, allowing jihadi apeasement in Hyderabad is a big NO as it is the city that has missile manufacturing and Nuclear Fuel complex plus a host of defence stuff and some are even unknown to public. Hence in the worst case scenario, they want to make Hyd as UT with no assembly like Chandigargh. The best case is appease-mollycoddle-manipulate the Telangana movement.

Again, it is just a joke to see the police allowing the statues going down into Hussainsagar. AP has very strong police to counter HYD-LeT elements and also Naxals. It has its own intel wings that are pretty competetive.

Overall AP is screwed.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 25 Mar 2011 06:33

Narayana Rao wrote:There was a statement in the resent past from one High Court judge ( i do not know if it is the same one) saying that the SKC report is wrong etc. Now this. AP High Court seems to be very very politically active. Earlier during the agitation by OU students (???) also it has taken active part in ordering measures supportive of agitation like giving permission which was refused by police etc. We have to see how it all turns out.

It is same judge L Narasimha Reddy that sided with OU students, abused Judge Sri Krishna, and
now gave judgement in this case.

It is idotic kind of justice system India got. Same judge who is talking for Naxals and T-vadis is
taking up case that he shouldn't be taking up due to conflict of interest and bias.

Narayana Rao wrote: There was a debate in TV yesterday wherein Mr Kesavulu of TDP has told that they had gone to Delhi and met the Home Secretary when the news of destruction of the statues on Tank bund has come. It seems Home Secretary made a comment that " earlier there was some hesitation in accepting the SKC recommedations but now with this there is no option by the accept them" I think that summerises the mood in Home Ministry.

Political leadership of INC now does not have courage to go against its allies, its leaders like Pranab etc, Home Ministry and the take a risk of losing the state (and even central) governament and then give Telangana. Barring something drastically changing I think Telangana state may be not given at least in near future.

It could be part of management that secret document mentions. BJP is dangerous for Muslims and TRS/Naxals for non-T people.

They managed to project BJP, TRS, and TJAC as dangerous forces that need to be contained and due to them T cannot be given. BJP implicated itself by wrapping BJP flags to destroyed statues. TRS overzealously endorsed destruction.

At ruthless level, tomorrow Congress-penetrated Naxal gang in TJAC which contains Naxals, TRS, and BJP might destroy non-T peoples' properties or take out life of a few non-T people and wrap BJP and pink flags around victims and have some stupid BJP and TRS activists celebrate such acts. And those acts end T movement.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Mar 2011 07:10

ShyamSP, In 1969 or so there was a mass rally in Kolkata in a stadium. Some how rowies went beserk and attacked the rally participants. Lots of beatings and rapes. Not much was known who the elements were but CPI(M) got discredited and voted out of office. People used to hint it was INC high command.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Mar 2011 08:05

Communal riots were used in AP also to change the CM by INC. So managing the agitation seems to be task for the Home Ministry. COngress MP and MLA's are now in fix because the plan is out now. The result is for united state and let us close the matter for teh time and lot of agitations and some violence in future.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Mar 2011 08:18

Actually the eigth chapter should be brought out in total without anything hidden. The double game crap of INC will be over once for all. This whole thing is perfect proof of this whole T movement is created, managed and sustained for congress party's electoral gains. That is what is summerized in that eigth chapter.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Mar 2011 08:23

ShyamSP wrote:At ruthless level, tomorrow Congress-penetrated Naxal gang in TJAC which contains Naxals, TRS, and BJP might destroy non-T peoples' properties or take out life of a few non-T people and wrap BJP and pink flags around victims and have some stupid BJP and TRS activists celebrate such acts. And those acts end T movement.

This model may be already happening. None of the T agitationists are understanding this in their unnecessary hatred. Naxals helped congress party in 2004 and that is the fact. Later congress party also had talks with Naxals under YSR. However, the police tracked the ones who came for talks and eliminated some of them. We will see the ruthlessness as Jagan is not weakening. They just cannot afford declaration of T.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 25 Mar 2011 11:52

Secret plan already being implemented: T-JAC

"As per the recommendations in the Chapter 8 of the report, the Centre and the Congress regime in the state have begun political and media manoeuvres to suppress the movement. Congress MPs from the region have been effectively silenced on the issue. Many of them have been offered big contracts while the media in the state too is being managed," Telangana JAC convener M Kodandaram told the media here on Thursday.

"While the Telangana Congress MPs and MLAs are being made to keep quiet either with promises of positions or through coercion, the Kiran regime has undertaken a political and media management to curtail the coverage of the Telangana movement both by the electronic and the print media," he said. "The state is managing the media at the same time ensuring that the movement in universities, particularly Osmania University, is suppressed by deploying a large number of security personnel. The recommendations made in the Chapter 8 are being implemented in spirit by the central and state governments to kill the movement," Kodandaram said.

This is the immediate thought i had after reading the excerpts from chapter 8.

1005 cases filed against students agitating over Telangana

In all 1,005 cases were filed against students who participated in agitations over the Telangana issue since December 2009, the Andhra Pradesh assembly was informed today.

State home minister P Sabita Indra Reddy said during question hour that 963 cases were registered against students who participated in agitation for separate Telangana while 21 cases each were filed in Andhra and Rayalaseema regions of Andhra Pradesh who agitated for united Andhra.

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 26 Mar 2011 00:19

Here is the link to Dr. Jaya Prakash Narayan's speech in the state assembly:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnKEjm_V9xs

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 26 Mar 2011 00:35

The last we hear on the subject, a decision to bifurcate the state seems to have been taken. The 'match' seems to have been 'fixed' between CONgress and TRS with the former conceding the separate statehood demand and the latter to agreeing to merge with it - a la PRP. Hyderabad would be made the common capital for 10-15 years. TRS' half-hearted denials lend credence to this view.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 26 Mar 2011 05:38

All such understandings are no longer aceptable as every drama will be rejected by every side. The drama is for one sided decision only. Which side is the question.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 Mar 2011 10:24

Sambasivudu, polit buro member of the TRS killed by unkown person while he was returning from Telangana DhumDhan programe in Nalgonda district. One naxal cremninal gang is said to be behind this killing. The dead fellow joined naxals in 1990 and said to be involved in Attempt to murder CBN in 2003, planing to murder N Jannardhana Reddy (Ex CM of AP) later with a clymore mine, Killing of Grayhound police in an ambush (32 police murdered) etc. Some 80 creminal cases are pening againt him. He left (???) naxals in 2009 and since then active Telangana movement and made a politburo member of TRS.

Is there any doubt gurus that Naxals now in full control of the Telangana agitation and police are slowly trying to get the control of the situation. Killing this fellow may be part of that effrot. Already the dead terrorist relatives are alleging that polcie arranged for this killing.

Entire movement now is for the control of the Telangana areas and now the division of the state demand is a part of that effort. Why naxals who does not give a damn about indian state support some kind of division of the AP state.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 27 Mar 2011 13:08

Seemandhra police to replace central forces in Hyderabad

HYDERABAD: With the last of the central paramilitary forces scheduled to leave the state on Monday, the state police has decided to deploy police personnel from Andhra and Rayalaseema regions in and around the city to guard vital installations including the IT companies in the Hitec City area.

Can't believe all this can happen in this time and age.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 Mar 2011 19:57

After what happend in Tank bund, you should not be. The people in the control of the agitation are naxals and their leadership do not have our sensitiveties and ideas. Just read the history of communists agitaions and what they did after comming to power. The naxals follow Mao and think like Pol Pot. Attack on JP, Tank bund incident are the two minor examples which received some publicity and that is all. The verbal abuse and attacks incitements are not known or seen by the non Telugu people. Let us not carried away by the myth that this agitation is now about division of the state. I think it is no longer. Naxals want to cut AP into areas which they have serious influance and areas where they don't. That is want the division is all about. Once they have Telangana under their control then North costal districts of AP will follow.

BJP want to come to power here irrespective of the cost to the national security so supports division. Naxals want a city for extracting good amounts and other Telangana areas for safe heavens. Congress and TDP MLA's are afraid even to speak. TRS is almost a front organisation of Naxals.

We need not be surpriced if IT instalations are attacked in the next phase. Destruction Hyderabad as a Industry and business destinations suits Naxals. Once Hyderabad lose its charm from business angle, no one with it and the main opposition to the division will be deminish from business people. Common people from other areas will be even afraid to go there. Many already stopped their plans to settle in Hyderabad city. It is just like pre 1982 conditions. Many may not remember that before 1982 two to three months curfew used to be there in AP every year. But after TDP came into power it stopped and now that kind of communal riots do not take place. Further after 1982 city has become more Telugu frindly and we could speal Telugu in the city. State capital got improtance and with CBN becomming CM, IT etc came and great care was taken to develop the city and YSR also followed the suit. Now to undo that, Naxals need to make the city unblivable to non Telangana people, destroy all the business etc and then Hyderabad becomes an undesirable thing to people so the oppostion to division will not be much. So wait and see what kind of things naxals do.

One more thing I am not sure people understand the improtance of Hyderabad from Defence angle. Too many known and unkown thing are situated in the city. I wonder how for it would be a factor in naxals want control of the city and how Delhi will save these instalations.

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 28 Mar 2011 01:22

As Dr. Jaya Prakash Narayan pointed out in his assembly speech condemning the wanton destruction of the statues of Telugu people's great cultural icons, the parties clamouring for a separate state have shed all democratic norms and resorted to 'riding a tiger'. It is depravity of the worst kind, and as he pointed out, the tiger will one day consume its riders. There have been many instances in the past and it would be foolish and shortsighted on the part of the leaders of the movement not to be able to draw lessons from history. IndiraG encouraged Bhindranwale for temporary political gains; RajivG encouragrd the LTTE to appease a few Tamilian hardline politicians and both have had to pay the price for 'riding a tiger', with their lives. It would be a gain for the KCR family and may be a few more cynical politicians (whether the lot of the common citizens will improve in a separate state is a moot point) in the near term but one wonders why the BJP - a national party with aspirations to return to power at the centre - is supping with the devil by hobnobbing with the Maoist forces, which it is fighting in some states ruled by it - with an eye for a few seats in Telangana. The 'match' seems to have been truly 'fixed' between the TRS and the CONgress and the BJP will find itself at the long end of the stick after the next elections. Alas!

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Mar 2011 20:18

By elections for the Pulivendala(MLA) and Kadapa (MP) are now announced. I think a lot will depend on the results of these elections. As per the prdictions Jagan/YSR Criminal gang will be 1, CBN gang 2 and Italian Mafia congress is 3 in the votes. Lot of dramas are happening in the meanwhile and all may change in the end.

Whatever happens it will serious influance the decision the T state which as things stands may not be agreed for.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 31 Mar 2011 21:42

Narayana Rao wrote:By elections for the Pulivendala(MLA) and Kadapa (MP) are now announced. I think a lot will depend on the results of these elections. As per the prdictions Jagan/YSR Criminal gang will be 1, CBN gang 2 and Italian Mafia congress is 3 in the votes. Lot of dramas are happening in the meanwhile and all may change in the end.

Whatever happens it will serious influance the decision the T state which as things stands may not be agreed for.

I'm not sure how this is going to change as both seats are expected to be won by Jagan/YSR Congress party.

Only thing is should Jagan/YSR Congress party loses any one seat, it'll be tough for Jagan to attract new people/MLAs into his camp and some fence-sitters will jump out of his group. If Congress loses nothing changes as it considers them lost seats and so is TDP. For TDP, it needs to get at minimum same number of votes it got last time.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Apr 2011 02:33

Manner and extant of the defeat is also important. What if Congress can not even put up a decent fight and comes in 3rd place? I think TDP will be in a better position this time. Once person to watch out will be Mysoora Reddy a old congress leader well known for his opposition to YSR family for decades and now in TDP. Either for COngress or TDP he will be better option for people than other names which are comming up.

If Congress loses very bad then Telangana leaders will have a chance to argue that since non congress areas are already lost to Jagan, congress can save it self n Telangana areas by agreeeing to the division of the state. Similarly if congress does well also they will argue since the Jagan threat is weak nothing will stop it from T state and with Chiru in its side it can win non telangana areas also.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 01 Apr 2011 10:26

Narayana Rao wrote:Manner and extant of the defeat is also important. What if Congress can not even put up a decent fight and comes in 3rd place? I think TDP will be in a better position this time. Once person to watch out will be Mysoora Reddy a old congress leader well known for his opposition to YSR family for decades and now in TDP. Either for COngress or TDP he will be better option for people than other names which are comming up.

If Congress loses very bad then Telangana leaders will have a chance to argue that since non congress areas are already lost to Jagan, congress can save it self n Telangana areas by agreeeing to the division of the state. Similarly if congress does well also they will argue since the Jagan threat is weak nothing will stop it from T state and with Chiru in its side it can win non telangana areas also.

There is a strong congress lobby in Kamalapuram under the stewardship of Veerashiva Raddy (spies of Jagan, yet still firmly in INC camp), so Mysoora Reddy jumping bandwagon will not be gainful to congress. The family that needs to be watched out is Kandula and Kandula Shivananda Reddy and they still retains their followers throughout Kadapa Dist.

The angst of loosing Hyderabad is also among common people SA, so no amount of Chirus can stop tide against INC. The Chiru & Co seems to be blackmailed (IT, ED and CBI threat) by INC with his under dealings during ticket distribution. Probably the information is gathered by under the leadership of YSR. If Jagan feels that he is severely threatened by Chiru, he has no qualms him to show Chiru his place and he will be neutralized effectively. JMT.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Apr 2011 19:31

Kandula people I thought were in TDP. Are they still?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 02 Apr 2011 02:58

IMO, it may be pickle situation for TDP. They may want to repeat Kadapa/Chittoor MLC election
tactic here too to make Jagan win.

In a competitive case, Congress wants to defeat Jagan even if it means TDP winning over Jagan.
On the other hand TDP wants Jagan to win and but retain its vote share for future.

This will be like recent TRS mid-term elections redux where both Congress and TDP to outsmart
each other opted for TRS to win.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Apr 2011 23:23

AIR feature on

Bathukamma Festival

Very colorful heritage.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Apr 2011 03:59

True. In many old movies also there used to be some or another Burrakatha songs etc. One interesting para in the end was about the Bathukamma festival which is related to the godess Lakshmi born as girl of the Chola king. Interesting information.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 06 Apr 2011 08:59

Bathukamma is a unique tradition in Telangana. it is celebrated by all, no matter what caste and other differences. it has become one of those things that defines a culture. is it also prevalent in Circar and Seema regions?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Apr 2011 20:21

Not to my knowledge. I find the festival traditions change in costal areas in recent times. When I was a child it was Dasara 9 days. Now it is Vinakaka Chavithi, thanks to Hyderabad and BJP fellows. New traditions like Ayyappa temples and Sai Baba temples are comming up in many places.

But villages and even towns do have their own festivals of similar to Bonalu festival of Telangana. In my home town Nellore there is temple for Irakalamma on the banks of the water tank called as Nellore Cheruvu. It is constructed by Kakathiya Prataparudradeva. The actual name of the goddess is Irilalala Parameswari. The festival to the goddess is similar to Bonalu we celebrate in Telangana though it is not as regularly performed by town people who are more interested now a days in Sai Baba etc,

I think even in Tamilnadu villages have similar festivals.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Apr 2011 20:28

Narayana Rao garu, Dakshin is stronglohld for Shakti worhip in her many manifestations. Try to read the book "Earth Mother" by Pupul Jayakar.

And in times of "appathi" Kali worhip increases.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 06 Apr 2011 21:06

^^^
sammakka sarakka might also be an outgrowth of Shakta worship. Bhadrakali is another avenue for Shakta worship. there is a very famous Bhadrakali temple in Warangal that attracts a lot of people. my dad used to visit frequently when he was there. i remember visiting back in my childhood long ago, but haven't been there in a while. heard from recent visitors that it's gone through lot of renovations and crowd and size of temple have also gone up vastly.

perhaps, the most famous Shakta centre in Dakshin might be Vijayawada Kanakadurgamma. very famous in all of AP and ppl visit from all corners of AP to this temple.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Apr 2011 21:09

devesh wrote:Bathukamma is a unique tradition in Telangana. it is celebrated by all, no matter what caste and other differences. it has become one of those things that defines a culture. is it also prevalent in Circar and Seema regions?

Bathukamma is one festival survived in Telangana parts of Vengi and lost in other parts of Vengi, esp along Godavari (not sure when). It is one festival that has continuity from Chola-Chalukya times. Ugadi is another festival that has continuity since Satavahana times. Telangana has old culture such as this and old words in usage that need to be borrowed and preserved.

As for traditions of Jatara/Tirunalu and Batukamma-like Devi Pratista are there in places where Mother Goddess Shakti (form of Parvati/Durga/Kali) worships are done.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Apr 2011 21:24

Narayana Rao wrote:Not to my knowledge. I find the festival traditions change in costal areas in recent times. When I was a child it was Dasara 9 days. Now it is Vinakaka Chavithi, thanks to Hyderabad and BJP fellows. New traditions like Ayyappa temples and Sai Baba temples are comming up in many places.

But villages and even towns do have their own festivals of similar to Bonalu festival of Telangana. In my home town Nellore there is temple for Irakalamma on the banks of the water tank called as Nellore Cheruvu. It is constructed by Kakathiya Prataparudradeva. The actual name of the goddess is Irilalala Parameswari. The festival to the goddess is similar to Bonalu we celebrate in Telangana though it is not as regularly performed by town people who are more interested now a days in Sai Baba etc,

I think even in Tamilnadu villages have similar festivals.

Where ever is there is traditional Ganapati temple such festivals are there but now are modern-style festivals prevalent in non-traditional places.

Shirdi Sai Baba temples are coming up like virus with mad belief. I never got proper reply for why you're praying for Saibaba. Standard answer was I know so-and-so is doing and so I'm doing Saibaba praying.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 06 Apr 2011 22:51

I think spirituality is personal.....how can we expect an answer from anyone why he/she is a Baba bhakt? our ilavelpu is Balaji...but my house folks are firm Shirdi Sai Baba believers...they don't even attempt to see any difference between Balaji n Baba...I tried to paint Baba with muslim color and got a strong thappad in return from my father long time ago...I still regret for talking like that..

so I believe many may have same approach when it is "Bhakti" matters......so comparing it with "virus" or "mad belief" is inappropriate Sir....imo

apologies..just in case

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 07 Apr 2011 01:29

I view Shirdi Baba as a great Yogi and Brahma-gyani, nothing more, nothing less.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Apr 2011 01:39

ShyamSP wrote: As for traditions of Jatara/Tirunalu and Batukamma-like Devi Pratista are there in places where Mother Goddess Shakti (form of Parvati/Durga/Kali) worships are done.

Almost all villages have grama devatas (shaktis) and jataras are conducted every year.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 07 Apr 2011 04:15

during my childhood days the festivals is of Navaraathri festival. Vinayaka Chavithi is more a personal level festival which was converted into a mass level festival now. Shakthi worship is there in entire east cost of India and up the Central India and here Dasara is the main festival even now. I was fortunate to visit the temple at Vijayawada temple about a month plus days.

Sai temples have no basis in Hindu tradition and they are now some sort of copy cat actions by many people. Temple trusts and committee etc contend in Court that the temple is not a Hindu one. Out die they say that Sai baba is a Dattatheya incornation etc to attract Hindus. It is only a good marketing thing. But their official position was/is Sai worship is not a Hindu one.

But only Hindus worship Sai baba now and hardly any Muslim can be seen in any Sai baba temple. So when any Guru says that Sai tradition is based on copy worship I agree with him. One of the oldest Temples was constructed about 45 years back in Costal AP there used to be no one worshipping till 20 years back. In a period of one or two years eventhing changed and now one can not even stand there for 1 minute now. Worshipping is done in Hindu tradition, yet there is hardly any Daththreya temple in AP. Temple commitee elections are fought like MP MLA elections and people even hit each other. Lot of money to be made now.

I went to Shirdi ( am in fact named as Sai at birth and my wife's name is Sai) some years back and most of the people there are from AP only. This mass copy worshiping is more with Telugu people. Be it Sai Baba or Ayyappa Deksha.

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 07 Apr 2011 10:51

Is it because participants have exhausted all substance in the debate, suddenly now the 'title' is under attack in the 93rd page? If we strip the debate of its emotional content on both sides, would the division of AP be such a disaster? All of us would still be in an Indian state and be citizens of India. We might then live in peace without the rancour between neighbours that is prevalent today?

Let us look at some snippets of history from the not too distant past.

In the combined 'Madras Presidency' as it was known then, the Telugus felt that they got a raw deal. After the creation of the separate state, the average Telugu is now dominated by his own rich and mighty compatriots instead of Tamilians. (Just as the domination by gora sahebs was replaced by that of the home grown sahebs after Independence.)

In the erstwhile Orissa state the Telugus were dominant in the state administration and were hated. Now the average Oriya gets to be dominated by his own rich and powerful cousins. People of the border districts of Ganjam in Orissa, Bellary and Tumkur in Karnataka and Hosur in Tamil Nadu have taken the partition in their stride and got on with their lives. There is an occasional whimper that they are being discriminated against; that their language and culture is subsumed and that they are getting a raw deal in welfare.

In the former Bombay Presidency the thrifty Gujaratis were hated by the docile Marathis. Even after the division, businesses in Bombay are still dominated by Gujaratis. A Bal Thackeray might have vented his ire against all South Indians for being dismissed (as a cartoonist) by a Malayalee editor but could do little to curb the shrewd business sense of the Gujarati.

The Bengalis in the North East and Bihar and the Punjabis in Delhi are hated. Before partition of the nation, the Punjabis used to hate the Sindhis for the same reasons. Even today you scratch a Punjabi and he says that if he were to kill a snake or a Sindhi he would rather kill the Sindhi first. The Malayalees have the same feeling for the Tamilians for their domination in public administration in the erstwhile Travencore state. The Tamilians reciprocate in kind and are no less when it comes to 'loving' their Malayalee neighbours. I heard this wry joke from a Tamilian friend:

"Why does a Malayalee cross the road?"
"Siimbly"
"Why does he cross it again?"
"Because he wants to double-cross!"

It may not be a universal feeling that the Tamilians have for the Malayalees but it does give an inkling into hidden rancour.

As some participants in this forum pointed out, Nehru though first was reluctant to the division of the country on linguistic lines as it would retard integration - one should agree with him on this - then vacillated and finally succumbed to the orchestrated, popular demand for the creation of linguistic states. As a result five new states were created.

Once a new state is created, the people of Telangana will soon realise that their dream of milk and honey rivers was just a chimera for the majority except for a few score rich and mighty. The people of the new Andhra state will also realise that the separation against which they prayed and fought is no apocalypse after all and will learn to get on with their lives.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 07 Apr 2011 10:58

Now we know why the Statues of Annamacharya and Bhakta Ramdas were specifically targeted in the Million Man March.

2 CPI (ML) leaders 'faked' marriage to mobilise vandals

The plan to conduct a 'fake marriage' to gather 200 CPI (ML) New Democracy cadres as a prelude to destroying statues on the Tank Bund on March 10, was hatched at Karl Marx Bhavan, Vidyanagar, according to confessions made before the police.

These imported ideologies are causing the country to pay in Blood.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 07 Apr 2011 20:23

Naturally guruji these people are communist traitors. I do not think any Telugu man or women will be that bad to do what they did on Tank Bund. But the most painful is the reaction of the Congress and TDP leaders from Telangan who almost supported this actions of these traitors. It only an indication of the levels our politicos fall to keep their power and get some gains. On the other day when some one asked Gaddar he said he felt bad for Gurram Jashuva statue is demolished. He does not even care for the communist fellow traveller like Sri Sri. The communist bastereds who now lead the Telangana agitation do not have any self restrictions. The agitation for the division of the state is now only a drama to have a libarated zone.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 13 Apr 2011 01:24

unarayanadas wrote:Here is the link to Dr. Jaya Prakash Narayan's speech in the state assembly:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnKEjm_V9xs

It's a great speech. Lot of empty seats in Assembly Hall, though.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 18 Apr 2011 19:46

http://thatstelugu.oneindia.in/news/201 ... d0108.html

KCR now creates fights amoung purohits. Great work by our politicos.