Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

partha · Post by **partha** » 08 Apr 2011 21:35

Offering prayers in a kufr land! Shouldn't Allah be pleased the most? Why did Pakistan lose onlee

arun · Post by **arun** » 08 Apr 2011 21:44

arun wrote:Excerpt from an Op Ed by Sadanand Dhume in the Wall Street Journal titled “Beyond Cricket Diplomacy : How Indian culture counters extremism in Pakistan”.

Sadanand Dhume in the Op Ed states that he believes the Mohammadden fundamentalism and orthodoxy running amok in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan can be challenged by the soft power of Indian Culture presumably of the non-Mohammadden variety.

Check out the comment section tabbed to the Op Ed as well for at least one very pained reaction from an individual very likely linked to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan :

Beyond Cricket Diplomacy : How Indian culture counters extremism in Pakistan........................

Like other democracies, India does not expect visiting artists to become crude propagandists for its government or people. But at the same time, as a multireligious and increasingly wealthy country, India automatically gives Pakistanis a luxury they lack at home: a giant soapbox from which to challenge the weight of intolerance within their own society. As Pakistan's own cultural space shrinks under the Islamist onslaught, the importance of India as a lifeline for the country's beleaguered liberals will only grow. ........................

Wall Street Journal

Speaking of Veena Malik check out this English subtitled video clip of her interview in Urdu by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan based Express News TV that has been put up by MEMRI.

This is a clip which MEMRI has captioned as “Pakistani Actress Veena Malik Defies Mullah Accusing Her of Immoral Behavior on an Indian Reality TV Show, and States: Mullahs Are Raping Children in Mosques”:

MEMRI TV

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 Apr 2011 22:15

Gagan wrote:Yet just because this guy is a Pakistani, and our media is gracious towards foreigners, even more so towards pakistanis, he gets a second chance.

Please, allow me to step in, and vehemently dispute this. It is not graciousness, our media and our elite are first order corrupt shameless COWARDS. Thats all there is to it. They will bootlick anyone who deals a thappad on their back ends. Have you seen Karan thappad or that Paki in mufti Bakara or that slime ball Rajdeep ever be gracious on Modi?

Somebody mentioned in an ealrier post that DDM has taken Ganbhir to task for his simple statement showing empathy for 26/11 victims. Can anyone post DDM take. I was surprised to see Vikram Sood, ex RAA man & who normally makes sense characterize Gambhir's comments as "silly", but then again, all these ex RAA wallahas, Indian army wallahs who have no clue on how to deal with TSP end up as WKKs. So I am not surprised. But who in the DDM took Gambhir to task?

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 09 Apr 2011 00:04

From Yahoo in full:
Man arrested in NY Times Square case reaches deal

AP – 1 hr 37 mins ago
BOSTON – A Pakistani man arrested in Massachusetts during the investigation into the failed Times Square bombing has agreed to a deal with prosecutors in which he'll plead guilty, avoid prison time and be deported.

Documents filed Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Boston say Aftab Ali, also known as Aftab Khan, will plead guilty to unlicensed money transmitting and lying to federal agents about his immigration status.

Khan was one of three men taken into custody last May in connection with the failed bombing attempt.

Authorities say Khan unwittingly supplied $4,900 to Faisal Shahzad (FY'-sul shah-ZAHD') of Bridgeport, Conn., who was later convicted of the attempt. Khan was not accused of knowing about or participating in the plot.

Sentencing is scheduled for April 12. Khan's lawyer declined comment Friday.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Apr 2011 00:49

partha wrote:Offering prayers in a kufr land! Shouldn't Allah be pleased the most? Why did Pakistan lose onlee

Simple. Allah does not listen to paki Muslims anymore. He likes Indian Muslims more.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Apr 2011 00:57

‘Culture of impunity’ in Pakistan: US report

WASHINGTON: A US report said Friday that Pakistan had a “culture of impunity” on human rights abuses and stated that security forces were operating outside the control of the civilian government. An annual State Department survey on human rights reported widespread concerns in Pakistan, a key US war partner, including violence against women, child labor, corruption and discrimination against religious minorities.The report said Pakistan had not held anyone accountable for a 2009 incident, shown in a leaked video, in which men in military uniforms shot dead six young men who were lined up and blindfolded with hands behind their backs.

“Security forces did not report to civilian authorities and operated independently from the civilian government,” it said.

The report said that religious minorities, namely Christians and members of the Ahmadiyya movement, were more likely to suffer abuse in prison and reported cases of torture in custody.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 09 Apr 2011 01:17

BijuShet wrote:From Yahoo in full:
Man arrested in NY Times Square case reaches deal
AP – 1 hr 37 mins ago
BOSTON – A Pakistani man arrested in Massachusetts during the investigation into the failed Times Square bombing has agreed to a deal with prosecutors in which he'll plead guilty, avoid prison time and be deported.
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This is first in series of TSP men born with a silver spoon and copper wire in their mouth that will be released for Ray Davis.
I won't be surprised if Faisal is next. Of course, by now they have well understood what taller than and deeper than friendship really means in American jails. These types would prove to be the best Ambassadors at Chicom with their hard earned knowledge.

saip · Post by **saip** » 09 Apr 2011 01:26

Karna:

I think you are reading too much into this. Looks like he is just an illegal immigrant doing hawala business. Deporting him is the best course instead of jailing him and spending $100,000 a year on him.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Apr 2011 04:40

US to fund $20m remake of Sesame Street for Pakistan

In a new effort to win hearts and minds in Pakistan, USAID - the development arm of the US government - is donating $20m (£12m) to the country to create a local Urdu version of the show.
The project aims to boost education in Pakistan, where many children have no access to regular schooling.

"The programme is part of a series of ventures that is aimed at developing the educational infrastructure in the country," Virginia Morgan, a spokesperson for USAID, told the BBC.

In an interview with a local edition of Newsweek, Imraan Peerzada‚ a writer for the new series‚ said the protagonist was a brave and daring girl.
"She will represent what little girls have to go through in this gender-biased society," he said.
He said her journey would inevitably touch on Pakistan's ongoing fight with militancy, but would not directly refer to religion.
"We don't want to label children‚" he said. "The basic learning tools of literacy‚ numeracy‚ hygiene‚ and healthy eating have to be in place first."

uncle trying hard to win the hearts and minds of wannabe soosai bummers.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 09 Apr 2011 04:44

I thought pakis are big hearted ppl...

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 09 Apr 2011 05:02

CRamS wrote:I was surprised to see Vikram Sood, ex RAA man & who normally makes sense characterize Gambhir's comments as "silly",

He was referring to the context, in which Gambhir mentioned visiting army posts and how the soldiers told him never to lose to Pakistan etc. In other words, it was not a simple statement about 26/11 alone.

I don't have a problem with Gambhir's statements, but I can see why they would be considered provocative.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 09 Apr 2011 05:21

Nandu wrote:
CRamS wrote:I was surprised to see Vikram Sood, ex RAA man & who normally makes sense characterize Gambhir's comments as "silly",
He was referring to the context, in which Gambhir mentioned visiting army posts and how the soldiers told him never to lose to Pakistan etc. In other words, it was not a simple statement about 26/11 alone.

I don't have a problem with Gambhir's statements, but I can see why they would be considered provocative.

I don't see why the statements are provocative at all. If I dedicate something to the 9/11 victims is that provocative? Or is it only 'provocative' if Indian victims are remembered?

My respect for Sood (and it was huge) goes down a few notches. That's the price you pay for being part of Track 2 I guess.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 09 Apr 2011 05:41

Iran warns Pakis and its mercenary army

Diplomatic relations between Pakistan and Iran are under a cloud after the Iranian government protested recruitment of Pakistani military officials into the Bahraini police forces. Pakistan's charge d'affairs in Tehran was summoned to Iran's foreign ministry earlier this month where deputy foreign minister Behrouz Kamalvandi conveyed his country's reservations over the 'recruitment for Bahrain's armed forces and police' in Pakistan. He warned that if the recruitment was not stopped, it would have serious ramifications for diplomatic relations between Pakistan and Iran.
However, the Pakistan government is believed to have given blessings to the recruitment, which is being conducted through private contractors. More than a hundred retired army men are now on their way to Bahrain to serve in that country's riot police and defence forces.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Apr 2011 06:11

Cosmo_R wrote:I don't see why the statements are provocative at all.

+1.

Some people always want to "walk the extra mile" and do more than what is necessary.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Apr 2011 06:12

Pakistan-India series likely by the end of the year: Bajwa change yawn to dawn for the url.

This series will take place between the players of the junior and senior teams while the schedule will be announced after governments of both countries give security clearance.

TSP will profit by playing against India. likely it will in India onlee. we are feeding the snake alas.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Apr 2011 06:30

Teen says 400 Pakistan suicide bombers in training

A teenager arrested as an accomplice to Pakistan's deadliest suicide bombing of the year has said that up to 400 suicide bombers are being groomed to wage carnage in the nuclear-armed nation.

Umar Fidayee, 14, said the would-be bombers were being trained in North Waziristan, the premier Al-Qaeda and Taliban fortress in Pakistan's tribal belt where US officials want Pakistan to flush out militant strongholds.

the teen appeared to express remorse and lifted the lid on harrowing details of his training at the camp in the Mir Ali district of North Waziristan, which lies on the border with Afghanistan.

Fidayee said he was initially recruited on the understanding that he would be smuggled into Afghanistan to kill non-Muslims.But they brought me here to Dera Ghazi Khan. I told them 'there is no kafir (non-believer) here'," he said.
"They told me these people are worse than kafirs," Fidayee said.

bious killing less bious.
recruitment on- catch them young as they say.

Uncle has lot of work..http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1#p1066771

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Apr 2011 06:54

US warns Pakistan is losing fight

THE Obama administration has warned that Pakistan lacks a ''clear path toward defeating'' Islamic insurgents in the country's tribal region. This grim assessment of the war on terror, comes despite Pakistan committing tens of thousands of troops to the effort.

The bleak findings on Pakistan's counter-insurgency efforts were buried nearly halfway through the 38-page report, which also summarised what the White House called moderate progress in curbing the influence of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The operation also showed that Pakistan's fleet of military helicopters ''remains beset by low operational readiness rates exacerbated by Pakistani reluctance to accept US helicopter maintenance teams,'' it said.

Meanwhile david cameroon is on a guboing spree in TSP showering $650 million to it.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 09 Apr 2011 07:13

Gwadar: Pakistan's new Great Game guardian

Eight years ago, the dream was for the small fishing port of Gwadar in Pakistan's Balochistan province to be transformed into a duty-free port and a free economic zone. The hope was that Gwadar would become a regional hub of shipping, commercial and industrial activities, providing a link between Pakistan and the vast oil and gas reserves of central Asia.
A real estate frenzy followed as land was bought from locals at exorbitant prices. Billboards proclaiming future housing estates and resorts were put up overnight and work began on the port with Chinese help. A two-lane highway linking Gwadar with Karachi was completed in record time. Today, the port has been finished and is ready for ships but Gwadar looks more like a ghost town than a gold-rush town. Empty plots of land still await the buildings that were promised but never built. Oddly enough, instead of handing the port over to the Chinese government, it was leased out to the Singapore government three years ago. It is only used at half its capacity and the cranes are already getting rusty from lack of use.

Located near an important shipping lane, the deep seaport was built by the China Harbour Engineering Company Group. The Chinese government invested heavily in this project, up to $200m some say, so that landlocked western China could benefit from access to the sea

The government of Pakistan was allegedly pressured not to hand the port over to the Chinese. In fact, the Americans eye Gwadar as a potential military base, given the proximity of Iran. The locals are reluctant to criticise their government's handling of Gwadar, though. "People disappear in Gwadar – their bodies are found dumped in a remote area a few days or weeks later. No one knows who is behind it," says Asghar Shah, refusing to speculate further.

Gwadar is today a deserted town where outsiders are looked upon with suspicion. Most of the educated young people have moved out to look for jobs in the other big towns and cities of Pakistan. The new and luxurious Pearl Continental Hotel built on a cliff overlooking the port and the town below is empty – it has been closed down for "renovations". The road leading to the small airport outside the town is heavily guarded by security forces. There are no tourists now – most have been scared off by the attacks. Foreigners do not dare to venture here either.

nice going.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Apr 2011 08:14

Worse is to come as far as Gawadar and Ormara ports are concerned.

If there is a Gulf War 3 with the Pakistanis attacking Iran, the coalition forces will surely use these two ports for landing troops and equipment.

The Iranians will then retaliate against these two ports.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 09 Apr 2011 10:27

Despairing News : Some Muslim Extremists burnt the Holy Bible at the front gate of St. Anthony church Lahore #Pakistan.

https://twitter.com/sarataseer/status/56575272648060929

not that she could've admitted joyous

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Apr 2011 12:14

AoA,
But Salman Taseer's daughter is speaking pinglish onlee.

No doubt 3rd and 5th Coujinns have afflicted her.
Err,
Was she one of the Jernalists who sent their bhotos to coujinn?

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 09 Apr 2011 12:46

kittoo wrote:
abhijitm wrote: I am in, seriously. Or is he on facebook? we can flood that.
I'm in too. BTW, his Twitter-

http://twitter.com/#!/gambhirgauti

Not sure if getting him to join BR would be a good idea. Not for any advertising or publicity reasons though, BR doesnt need that.

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 Apr 2011 13:08

I don't have a problem with Gambhir's statements, but I can see why they would be considered provocative.

Errr, sorry but how exactly was this provocative?

So, cricketers should now never meet armymen and dedicate victories to victims of a terrorist attack( if it has a Paki link) so that pakis don't feel bad?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Apr 2011 13:30

Nandu wrote:
I don't have a problem with Gambhir's statements, but I can see why they would be considered provocative.

Well since you have expressed an opinion here let me take this opportunity to express my opinion to say that I completely empathise with and endorse Gambhir's comments and anyone who thought they were provocative can stuff it where the sun don't shine. I ~~will~~ may change my opinion if those who thought they were provocative offer themselves to receive a kick up their sorry backsides from me. Hack thoo to the whole bunch.

Just my opinion.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Apr 2011 13:44

Somehow celebrities in Indian public space are being bullied into not taking patriotic stands which align with India's security considerations.

Perhaps they fear, that such stances could mean mainstream Indians becoming jingoistic and demanding security and national strength from their political leadership.

partha · Post by **partha** » 09 Apr 2011 14:05

RajeshA wrote:Somehow celebrities in Indian public space are being bullied into not taking patriotic stands which align with India's security considerations.

Perhaps they fear, that such stances could mean mainstream Indians becoming jingoistic and demanding security and national strength from their political leadership.

Well, the logic the Pakis are trying to push is "How can South Asian celebs be partial and take a stand that aligns with India's security considerations?". Imagine a scenario where more and more Paki artists have started working in Bollywood and god forbid there is another 26/11. Now "south asian" celebs could very well not condemn Pakistan so as to not hurt the sentiments of their Paki colleagues!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Apr 2011 14:35

RajeshA wrote:Somehow celebrities in Indian public space are being bullied into not taking patriotic stands which align with India's security considerations.

Perhaps they fear, that such stances could mean mainstream Indians becoming jingoistic and demanding security and national strength from their political leadership.

Hit the nail on the head.

Internally there is a conspiracy to not bring out the dark and dirty truth on Pakistan sponsored terrorism.

Because the next time there is a terrorist attack by Pakistanis on Indian soil or on indians elsewhere, the public will expect a response from GoI. GoI just doesn't have a coherent Pakistan Policy. Its policy is mostly driven by inflated, misguided, boisterous feelings of brotherhood, that the pakistanis misuse.

I further suspect that our governments see pakistan sponsored terrorism as attempts by the establishment of Pakistan to gain GoI's attention, RATHER than an act of Crime and an ACT OF WAR against the Indian state. It sometimes appears that ordinary indian citizen's life does not really matter in the whole deal.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 09 Apr 2011 14:55

Nandu wrote: I don't have a problem with Gambhir's statements, but I can see why they would be considered provocative.

Imagine one in BRF then how many are out there?

Seriously, an Indian dedicating something good to murdered victims, in whatever damn context that may be, how it is provocative? AND if at all it is provocative to pakistan still why the hell should we care?

Soon we will start living like "shhhhhh don't utter a word about 26/11. You will provoke pakistan."

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 09 Apr 2011 15:20

check out this forum. They are not jingos like us and sure there are some morons like Sood. But the sentiment towards GG is like 'thumbs up'
indiancricketfans

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Apr 2011 17:01

SSridhar wrote:
partha wrote:"As Pakistan's own cultural space shrinks under the Islamist onslaught, the importance of India as a lifeline for the country's beleaguered liberals will only grow"
I hope that India does not offer any such lifeline to the beleagured liberals of Pakistan because there are no liberals at all in Pakistan at least as far as their visceral, unremitting and enduring hatred goes vis-a-vis India. India should not devise any policy under the mistaken notion of engineering the Pakistani society or the policies of the GoP & PA favourably to India, by cultivating and encouraging these liberals. The mask of liberalism is an act of taqiyyah.

India's progress and acquisition of wealth and stature among the nation-states are based upon its own hard work, history, culture etc. in spite of assault after assault for 2000 years. This hard-earned (and still far to go) status is not for sharing with those who violently broke away from us and who have since then killed and maimed us in thousands through wars and terrorism. They have not let any opportunity go to stymie our progress or harass and humiliate us. Let them boil in their own poisonous stew which they willingly and gleefully prepared for us expecting us to drink.

The way to crush Pakistaniyat is to unrelentingly outshine them and defeat them in everything till they are reduced to the shit level that the actually are rather than the exalted position and reputation they got by financial, diplomatic and media support from the West for being a a willing and cheap Islamic prostitute willing to hire out their Islamic eagerness to anyone for a few crumbs to use to kill Indians.

Nothing, but nothing should be given to them for free - except a chance to commit suicide, or otherwise die.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 09 Apr 2011 17:42

A comment from Cricket forum regarding Afridi's statement

I never realized that an interaction where the main activity is inserting a mass of turgid muscles into a specific orifice could end up giving life to a douchebag.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Apr 2011 17:43

shiv wrote:The way to crush Pakistaniyat is to unrelentingly outshine them and defeat them in everything till they are reduced to the shit level that the actually are rather than the exalted position and reputation they got by financial, diplomatic and media support from the West for being a a willing and cheap Islamic prostitute willing to hire out their Islamic eagerness to anyone for a few crumbs to use to kill Indians.

Nothing, but nothing should be given to them for free - except a chance to commit suicide, or otherwise die.

Suicide is the eejee way out. It is the life of eternal misery that awaits the Pakis - a Dantes Inferno.

I feel the best revenge is when the enemy accepts defeat publicly, openly by craving to be patted, and hoping against hope to be adopted when their nemesis (say the Taliban) is just a street away. They should be given a chance to lick the soles of our boots. We should of course then nonchalantly let them know, that we would get back to them as soon as we find time, and then let them hang on a rope of hope for all eternity!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Apr 2011 18:54

Shiv saar rightly put.

But the problem is that you give them an iota of rehem and they declare a Hezbollah victory.
Unfortunately in sports they will 'win' a few times - which is why it is such an equalizer for them.

Never mind that they would have been bedazzled by India's cricket stadiums, they can't even hope for a stadium with matching facilities in their country, never mind that in india the ordinary viewer in the stadium is well dressed, well to do, while their viewers are ball-scratching bearded fundoos, but the thing is if they win a match, then it is ==.

I for one, am of the view that sports should be curtailed with these guys - who needs them?

I can confidently say that IPL is running smoothly without pakis, and that is the way we should let it be. These guys and their establishment aren't going to sudhro-fy, ever.

archan · Post by **archan** » 09 Apr 2011 21:42

Gagan wrote: I can confidently say that IPL is running smoothly without pakis, and that is the way we should let it be.

I trust the Indian establishment. Not only will they allow pakis in the next IPL, we will be making our guys suffer the stink of stinkistan when we send them to play there. Pappiyan jhappiyan guided by unkil will be in full flow onlee.
All subject to pakis not doing another strategically brilliant Mum-bhai like atrocity. 2008 is so, well, 2008.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Apr 2011 21:45

One should ask unkil to pay the paki's fees if they are to play in IPL and pay due damages to IPL for loss of revenue because of the stink value introduced at their behest onlee.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 09 Apr 2011 22:30

Are India-Pakistan really the same people?

Origins of WKKitis-

As a Punjabi whose family roots lie in Pakistan, I was also brought up on a steady diet of pre-Partition stories of love and brotherhood. It was easy to believe – as we sat down to large meals and an even larger dose of nostalgia – that we were indeed the same people, with the same roots, the same tastes, the same culture, but just divided by a border created by political forces beyond our control.

And -

You know what, actually we’re not.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Apr 2011 22:57

SS et. al,

need your opinion in decoding what I heard on radio on NPR yesterday. They had this UK prof, Anatol Levine (or whatever) whose views and book we discussed here. He was of course talking about TSP, and it was striking that throughout the interview, he did not mention TSP terror against India even once. Only the "mighty" Al Queda, Taliban etc (LET is probably from Mars in his view). He even referred to the widespread "lunacy" in TSP, their conspiratorial belief, to the last Abdul on the street, that 9/11 was a US/Israel plot. Again, he did not even refer once to their lunacy on what they beloeve about 26/11. But here is what got me. When he was asked what was the imporatnce of TSP to the west and why there is so much support for TSP among US security officials: CIA, Pentagon, MI-5 etc despite TSP perfidy in Afganistahn, this prof pretty bluntly revealed a "secret" that western support to TSP has nothing to do with Afganisthan, he said pretty much everybody knows that TSP is not going to do much since its not in their interests. But he said US and its lackeys should support TSP to the utmost, its a crucial all-lie because TSP has prevented terrorist attacks against the west, and it will continue to do so as long as the west supports it. Again, what I found striking, for suppsedly a "scholar" writing about TSP, not one word about what actually is TSP's lifeline: terror against India. But I was laughing my ass off, as to whom he was trying to fool. With the west monitoring the shadow of every Muslim coming from outside, and even those living inside, he wants us to believe that without billions being poured into TSP coffers, without India-specific F-solas in Kiyani's basement, the west is sooooooooo helpless against TSP should it decided to dispatch suicide bombers across the 7 seas. And this chutiya is a "scholar".

It left me wondering if the US/UK have pretty told India, look TSP is our ally, we are not going to put any more pressure on TSP with respect to LET. Its up to you to now make up with TSP or else all bets are off, and don't count on us for any future support should TSP up the ante. Any thoughts?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 09 Apr 2011 22:58

That’s when I first realised that the West Punjab of my parents and grandparents had well and truly passed on. Now, there was a new West Punjab, with a new generation of Pakistanis, who had grown up with no Hindu neighbours. In fact, most of them had probably never met a Hindu in their life. To them, we were foreigners in their land; not long-lost brothers and sisters with whom they could establish an instant camaraderie.

Finally First articles which shatters the myth of Pakistanis as our long lost biraders and Paki rickshawala and coolie not accepting money form Indian guest and people gushing over Indian sarees and Mehndi and blah blah!
The fact remains Pakis are as different from us as a hippo is in some some far off distant land.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 09 Apr 2011 23:10

CRamS wrote:SS et. al,

need your opinion in decoding what I heard on radio on NPR yesterday. They had this UK prof, Anatol Levine (or whatever) whose views and book we discussed here. He was of course talking about TSP, and it was striking that throughout the interview, he did not mention TSP terror against India even once. Only the "mighty" Al Queda, Taliban etc (LET is probably from Mars in his view). He even referred to the widespread "lunacy" in TSP, their conspiratorial belief, to the last Abdul on the street, that 9/11 was a US/Israel plot. Again, he did not even refer once to their lunacy on what they beloeve about 26/11. But here is what got me. When he was asked what was the imporatnce of TSP to the west and why there is so much support for TSP among US security officials: CIA, Pentagon, MI-5 etc despite TSP perfidy in Afganistahn, this prof pretty bluntly revealed a "secret" that western support to TSP has nothing to do with Afganisthan, he said pretty much everybody knows that TSP is not going to do much since its not in their interests. But he said US and its lackeys should support TSP to the utmost, its a crucial all-lie because TSP has prevented terrorist attacks against the west, and it will continue to do so as long as the west supports it. Again, what I found striking, for suppsedly a "scholar" writing about TSP, not one word about what actually is TSP's lifeline: terror against India. But I was laughing my ass off, as to whom he was trying to fool. With the west monitoring the shadow of every Muslim coming from outside, and even those living inside, he wants us to believe that without billions being poured into TSP coffers, without India-specific F-solas in Kiyani's basement, the west is sooooooooo helpless against TSP should it decided to dispatch suicide bombers across the 7 seas. And this chutiya is a "scholar".

It left me wondering if the US/UK have pretty told India, look TSP is our ally, we are not going to put any more pressure on TSP with respect to LET. Its up to you to now make up with TSP or else all bets are off, and don't count on us for any future support should TSP up the ante. Any thoughts?

CRamS ji, I think the basic narrative in your mind is wrong (Pardon me for saying so). Time and again I see you lamenting about western world not recognizing Indian concerns or Paki terror organization operating against India or in fact India being the biggest victim of terror just doesn't play on their radar.They are more concerned about saving their backs.

Isn't it obvious since let's say 9/11, that WAT is purely war against terror against western civilization mostly Americans, Brit and maybe Western Europe. Rest of the World is dealing with militancy and local conflicts with neighbors. Actually there is Islam vs western way of life, rest everything is just a distraction.
India will have to fight its own battles which may involve buying off such "scholars", planting our own media persons and scholars across Media organizations etc. TSP may or may not be an western ally but surely what has India done to punish perpetrators of 26/11 or Mumbai Bomb blasts. We got Gilani, Bhutto's grand-daughter, some idiotic head of JuI, What is next Hafeez said - for peace talks. Some of the Ex-babus actually are wary of mentioning 26/11 lest Pakis feel offended.

So I think you are staring at a fish hoping for it to run a 3 legged race..

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 09 Apr 2011 23:20

From Seema Goswami's article

I often think of that moment when I hear the candles-at-the-Wagah-border brigade ramble on about how we are the same people.

Take heart fellow mujs, the message is spreading.