International Naval News & Discussion

Avid · Post by **Avid** » 11 Feb 2011 18:50

Austin wrote:Russian military justifies purchase of Mistral ships

Russia has decided to buy Mistral ships from France because it would have taken at least 10 years to develop a similar domestic model, Chief of the Russian General Staff Gen. Nikolai Makarov said Thursday.

"It could take at least 10 years to develop a ship similar to Mistral," Makarov said. "And meanwhile someone will create a better weapon [than Mistral]."

Makarov said Russia should buy the best of modern weaponry abroad to be built under license in Russia.

He also said that the Russian state armaments procurement program until 2020 would be adjusted and would total 23 trillion rubles ($785 billion), or 2 trillion rubles ($68 billion) more than originally planned.

A consortium comprised of French DCNS and Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) won a tender on the construction of four helicopter carriers for the Russian Navy in December 2010.

Moscow and Paris signed an intergovernmental agreement to jointly build the four ships on January 25.

Under the agreement, the first Mistral-class ship, with a price tag of 720 million euros, is expected to be completed in late 2013-early 2014 and the second in late 2014-early 2015.

Russia will construct 20% of the first warship, 40% of the second and 80% of the last two, which are to be built on Russian territory.

Likely points to Russian anxiety over the contested islands that are claimed by Japan.

I do not see the Russian's deploying amphibious assault ship in any other scenario.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 15 Feb 2011 16:53

..also saw the need after the Caucasus spat with Georgia.That was the wake-up call.

The USN is to acquire a hundred+ AUVs ,mini USVs in the anti-sub surveillance role.It is also developing an USV (DARPA USV,JDW 12/1/11)that can stay on duty for months tracking subs.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsub/ ... 10214.aspx

Latest
Little Silent Spies That Glide Underwater
February 14, 2011: The U.S. Navy is testing a mini-submarine (AUV, or Autonomous Undersea Vehicle) that is silent, very small (two meters/six feet long and weighing 59 kg/130 pounds) and operates completely on its own. What this AUV does is spend weeks at a time moving slowly (3 kilometers an hour) underwater, collecting data on salinity and temperature, and transmitting back, via a satellite link every hour or so. This data improves the effectiveness of sonars used by friendly forces, making it easier to detect and track enemy submarines. These AUVs can dive as far down as 2,000 meters (6,200 feet).
These AUVs use a unique form of propulsion. They have wings, and a small pump, that fills and empties a chamber. This changes its buoyancy, causing it to glide down, then back up. This maneuver moves the AUV forward. Equipped with GPS and a navigation and communications computer, the AUV is programmed (or instructed via the sat link) to monitor a particular area. The small pump uses less electricity than a propeller (to move it at the same speed).

These AUVs can be launched (and recovered) from ships or shore. Two years ago, an AUV of this design crossed the Atlantic on its own, as part of a civilian research project. The navy plans to buy at least a hundred of these subs, to replace surface ocean survey ships currently used for this kind of work. Unlike the survey ships, these AUVs could be deployed in areas where hostile subs are believed to be operating, and be kept at it as long as needed. If successful in regular use, larger versions are planned, equipped with more sensors and longer duration.

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 16 Feb 2011 08:52

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110215/ap_ ... ier_killer

YOKOSUKA, Japan – A new "carrier killer" missile that has become a symbol of China's rising military might will not force the U.S. Navy to change the way it operates in the Pacific, a senior Navy commander told The Associated Press.

Defense analysts say the Dong Feng 21D missile could upend the balance of power in Asia, where U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups have ruled the waves since the end of World War II.

However, Vice Adm. Scott van Buskirk, commander of the U.S. 7th Fleet, told the AP in an interview that the Navy does not see the much-feared weapon as creating any insurmountable vulnerability for the U.S. carriers — the Navy's crown jewels.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Feb 2011 09:54

Russian Navy/Industry Special Issue from Arms Magazine

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Feb 2011 11:26

US warships collide in the Gulf.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ormuz.html

US navy vessels collide in Strait of Hormuz
A US navy submarine and a US amphibious vessel collided in the Strait of Hormuz, injuring 15 sailors and creating a fuel spill of 25,000 gallons.

By Our Foreign Staff and Agencies in Manama 2:17PM GMT 20 Mar 2009
The US navy said that the Hartford, a Los Angeles-class submarine, and the New Orleans occurred at 1am local time off Manama, the capital of Bahrain which is home to the US Fifth Fleet.

"Fifteen sailors aboard the Hartford were slightly injured and returned to duty. No personnel aboard New Orleans were injured," the navy said in a statement.

The New Orleans's fuel tank ruptured, causing the spill of diesel fuel.

Both ships are operating under their own power, and the overall damage to both vessels is being evaluated, the statement added.

The Strait of Hormuz, which spans less than 60 miles at its widest point, separates Oman from Iran and is the gateway into the oil-rich Gulf.

An estimated 40 per cent of the world's crude oil passes through the strait on the way to market.

Both the submarine and the ship are on regularly scheduled deployments to the US Navy Central Command's area of responsibility, the navy said.

Ships from the Fifth Fleet patrol a 7.5 million square mile area of eastern Africa, the Middle East and south-west Asia.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Feb 2011 12:05

^^^ The Strait of Harmuz is shallow and from what I understand the depth out there is not good even for conventional sub operation like Kilo forget the big nuclear ones , in those shallow water collision chances are much higher.

GeorgeWelch · Post by **GeorgeWelch** » 16 Feb 2011 12:45

Philip wrote:US warships collide in the Gulf.

By Our Foreign Staff and Agencies in Manama 2:17PM GMT 20 Mar 2009

Two years ago . . .

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Feb 2011 14:51

Here an image of Typhoon with ice on top , that big ice would have sunk the titanic

( via Snake65 )

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 20 Feb 2011 21:26

France Adds New Torpedo To Submarine Arsenal

Hope it comes with Scorpene

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Mar 2011 16:30

Russia ready to pay 1.5 bln euros for Mistral contract - Defense Ministry

"The contract stipulates the purchase of two ships built by France's DCSN and the licensed construction of two additional ships in Russia for at least 1.5 bln euros," Popovkin said in an interview with the Military-Industrial Courier publication.

The official reiterated that Russia would buy the ships with all the original navigational and other technical equipment, including the SENIT 9 naval tactical data system.

The design of the helicopter deck will be slightly changed to accommodate Russian helicopters, and the hull will be reinforced to allow the use of the ships in the Arctic, Popovkin said.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Mar 2011 20:03

CNO Assesses Russian, Chinese Navies

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 Mar 2011 04:00

Austin wrote:Here an image of Typhoon with ice on top , that big ice would have sunk the titanic

I think we should build a Typhoon with the Titanic's riveting techs and see how far this story goes. Just a thought. Slow day.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Mar 2011 19:18

Severnaya Verf will build 17 warships for Russian Navy

"In accordance with Russian government regulation and on the basis of State Defense Order 2011, Severnaya Verf is the only supplier of Project 22350 frigates and Project 20385 corvettes", said the shipyard's release.

Project 22350 frigates are multipurpose sea-going warships. According to the contract, it is planned to build six of them. The lead ship Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov was laid down on Feb 1, 2006 at Severnaya Verf and launched on Oct 29, 2010. This was the first large-size warship keel-laid at Russian shipyards after a 15-year break.

In addition, Severnaya Verf will deliver 11 Project 20385 corvettes. As was reported by RIA Novosti referring to the shipyard's representative, ships of this project are modernized version of Project 20380. Lead ship Stereguschiy was laid down on Dec 21, 2001 and launched on May 16, 2006. Supposedly, these corvettes are going to represent Russian Navy in littoral zone. "In particular, modernization will affect arms systems", pointed out the interviewee.

At present, Severnaya Verf builds three Project 20380 corvettes, two Project 22350 frigates, and a special communication vessel for Russian Navy.

wig · Post by **wig** » 25 Mar 2011 09:29

an article in the Tribune, Chandigarh on How US subs stay in touch published today

Using a digital “Deep Siren” tactical messaging system and a simpler underwater telephone, officials from the Navy’s Arctic Submarine Laboratory at the camp last Saturday were able to help the submarine find a relatively ice-free spot to surface and evacuate a sailor stricken with appendicitis. The alternative would have been a ruptured appendix, or an emergency surgery on the table in the captain’s dining room, said a relieved Dan Roberts, the senior chief and corpsman who handles the crew’s medical needs. “It would have been rough.” The low-frequency system is built by Raytheon Co, which has been working on it for several years with $5.2 million in initial seed money from the Navy.

Raytheon is the latest company trying to tackle the persistent challenge of communicating with submarines while they are travelling deep under the sea to avoid detection. Past systems have proven too complicated, and too expensive. The new system could revolutionize how military commanders stay in touch with submarines all over the world, allowing them to alert a submarine about an enemy ship on the surface or a new mission, without it needing to surface to periscope level, or 60 feet, where it could be detected by potential enemies. At present, submarines use an underwater phone to communicate with associates on top of the ice or with other submarines, but those devices are little more than tin cans on a string and work only at shorter distances. Submarines can also trail an antenna once they surface to periscope depth, or around 60 feet, but that makes them easier to detect.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110325/science.htm#2

wig · Post by **wig** » 28 Mar 2011 20:43

the royal navy's aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal put up for sale on 'military eBay'

The Royal Navy's former flagship HMS Ark Royal has been put up for sale on the Ministry of Defence's auction website.
Although the Ark Royal could also be sold for its scrap metal, other proposals for it include a commercial heliport in London as well as a base for special forces to provide security at next year's Olympic Games.

And a move could be made to turn it into a nightclub and school in China.

Bidders have until 10am on June 13 to put their tenders forward for the ship. No minimum price is given.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -eBay.html

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Apr 2011 18:23

Need To Maximize SSBN(X) Requirements

SureshP · Post by **SureshP** » 07 Apr 2011 17:41

Building of the Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carrier.

Some nice interactive graphics

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12308437

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Apr 2011 18:22

Unfortunate for Astute to be in news for the wrong reason

Two injured in HMS Astute nuclear submarine shooting

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 09 Apr 2011 02:15

Officer shot dead on board submarine HMS Astute

A Royal Navy officer has been killed after a rating turned a gun on him following a dispute between sailors on Britain’s most modern submarine.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 09 Apr 2011 05:07

Navy Shows Off Powerful New Laser Weapon
By Jeremy A. Kaplan

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 09 Apr 2011 05:12

EMALS is Here

Navy Uses Electromagnets to Launch Fighter Jet
Published : December 24, 2010

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Apr 2011 09:15

Indonesia Test Fires Yakhant

The Yakhont anti-ship missile was launched on Wednesday from the Van Speijk class frigate, Oswald Siahaan, during naval exercises in the Indian Ocean. Russian observers oversaw the drills, which involved 12 ships and over 1,000 personnel.

It took six minutes for the missile to cover 250 nautical miles and destroy a designated target.

"The target ship was hit [by the missile] and sank," Navy spokesman Rear Admiral Iskandar Sitompul said. "We bought these missiles a long time ago, and have finally tested them."

Indonesia bought an undisclosed number of Russian SS-N-26 Yakhont supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles for $1.2-million apiece in 2007 to replace Harpoon missiles on its frigates.

The missile has a maximum range of 300 kilometers when cruising at high altitude. It flies at low level during the terminal phase, and between 5 and 15 meters in altitude.

Video of the launch

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 22 Apr 2011 09:27

Austin, isnt 250 Nautical miles higher than 300Km higher than MTCR, what Gives?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Apr 2011 10:03

Aditya_V wrote:Austin, isnt 250 Nautical miles higher than 300Km higher than MTCR, what Gives?

Yes it is could be a typo , all export variant of Onyx , Brahmos or Yakhont are limited by MTCR.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 12 May 2011 03:11

From when did the Port of Malacca was controlled by US navy

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... gapore.htm

Singapore has consistently supported a strong US military presence in the Asia-Pacific region. In 1990, the US and Singapore signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) which allows the US access to Singapore facilities at Paya Lebar Airport and the Sembawang port. Singapore and US forces also train and exercise together. For example, Singapore Air Force F-16 crews train at Luke Air Force Base AZ, then participate in joint exercises with the US counterparts. Both its naval and air forces regularly carry out combined exercises under the Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training program with a US Navy task group. And the Singapore army has conducted exercises with US Army Pacific units since 1981. Singapore is located at narrow point of Strait of Malacca off southern tip of Malay Peninsula; connected with Malaysia by causeway. The total land area is about 636 square kilometers, consisting of one main island and 58 islets. The main island is 42 kilometers long and 23 kilometers wide, with coastline of 138 kilometers.

Situated at the crossroads of international shipping and air routes, Singapore is a center for transportation and communication in Southeast Asia. Singapore is a regional aviation hub served by 64 international airlines. Changi International Airport, opened in 1980, is being expanded. Singapore's strategic location on major sea lanes has given the country an economic importance in Southeast Asia disproportionate to its small size. Singapore's total trade in 1997 amounted to $382 billion, nearly three times its GDP. Singapore imported $196 billion and exported $185 billion worth of merchandise. Reexports accounted for 42% of Singapore's total exports in 1997.

Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles arrived in Singapore in 1819 as an agent of the British East India Company. In 1824, the British purchased Singapore Island, and by 1825, the city of Singapore had become a major port, with trade exceeding that of Malaya's Malacca and Penang combined. In 1921, the British constructed a naval base, which was soon supplemented by an air base. But the Japanese captured the island in February 1942, and it remained under their control until September 1945, when it was recaptured by the British. After a period of friction between Singapore and the central government in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore separated from Malaysia on August 9, 1965, and became an independent republic.

Singapore relies primarily on its own defense forces, which are continuously being modernized. Approximately 49% of government operating expenditures are devoted to the defense budget. The state-owned Singapore Shipbuilding and Engineering Company produces naval vessels. In 1989 Singapore Shipbuilding and Engineering constructed the first of five corvettes for the Singapore navy.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 13 May 2011 12:39

FREMM Aquitaine completes first sea trials

Don · Post by **Don** » 21 May 2011 06:38

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/20/daring_armed/

1.1bn Royal Navy warship finally armed, sort of
Alert Print Post commentRetweetFacebookHMS Daring's third captain 'very pleased'

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Analysis HMS Daring, first of the £1.1bn+ Type 45 destroyers now coming into service with the Royal Navy, has finally fired her primary (and only significant) armament, the Sea Viper missile system.

The glad news comes five years after the ship was launched, three years after she was accepted into the Royal Navy and well into the tenure of her third commanding officer.

Captain Guy Robinson, in a tinned quote supplied earlier this week by the Ministry of Defence, said: "This Sea Viper firing is a significant milestone for us and the final piece in the jigsaw as we prepare for our first deployment. I am very pleased."

It was hoped that Sea Viper would be ready for use by 2007, allowing it to be fitted to HMS Daring in a timely fashion so that she would be operational in 2008. Sadly the project suffered the traditional cost and time overruns, leading the MPs of the Public Accounts Committee to dub the weapon "disgraceful" in 2009, and as a result three captains and several generations of crew have served aboard an almost completely unarmed ship* for the last few years.

Sea Viper is the Royal Navy's name for the Principal Anti Air Missile System (PAAMS), a fusion of British, French, Italian and US-made equipment. It is touted as being superior to any other maritime air-defence system in the world, with the makers claiming that it can shoot down a cricket ball travelling at Mach 3 up to 75 miles away.

Stripping away the hype, Sea Viper has never been tested against a supersonic target and there are no plans to do so - meaning that it would be a brave decision indeed to rely on it against supersonic threats in combat. (The system's first four trials even against subsonics saw two failures.)

Sea Viper's French-made Aster missiles can probably reach out to 75 miles, but the inescapable curvature of the Earth means that the Sampson masthead fire control radar can't lock on to a low-flying target until it is within 20 miles or so. Various modern and indeed not-so-modern anti-shipping missiles (eg the "Klub", "Sunburn" and "Brahmos") are both low-flying and supersonic.

Then there are some serious gaps in the Sea Viper's (and thus the Type 45s') capabilities. The system cannot attack surface targets, meaning that the Royal Navy's new and cripplingly expensive destroyers will be almost powerless against properly-equipped warships or even quite minor gunboats and the like.

Sea Viper is also, realistically, never going to be capable of shooting down ballistic missile warheads soaring above the atmosphere as the Aegis/Standard system used by various US and allied-nation warships can (indeed Aegis/Standard can actually shoot down satellites in some circumstances).

Given that we could have had bigger, better, properly-armed Aegis/Standard ships - built in our own yards if we wanted - for roughly half the price we're paying for Type 45s, it's hard to see why Captain Robinson seems so pleased today. He could have been in command of a proper, arse-kicking warship: instead he's getting a poor second best.

There are also ongoing problems with HMS Daring's propulsion. The ship recently broke down in mid-Atlantic and had to limp in to harbour in Canada for repairs. ®

Bootnote

*Apart from Sea Viper, the only armament possessed by a Type 45 is a single 4.5-inch "Kryten" gun turret, primarily useful for bombarding targets ashore (within a few miles of deep water) and two light 30mm cannon for close-in work against pirate dhows or the like. This is weaponry of barely more than gunboat punch and of pre-WWII technology.

There were plans to fit the ships with "Phalanx" radar controlled close-in defence guns and perhaps with Tomahawk cruise missiles of the sort lately used so effectively against Libya, but these were cut for cost reasons (though some vessels may be fitted with borrowed Phalanxes temporarily at times).

In most situations the most useful capabilities of a Type 45 would reside in her embarked helicopter and possible party of Royal Marines.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 May 2011 07:07

^

a giant ship with no relevant role for UK. what will aster30 be used for nobody knows - sinking a libyan or iranian garbage barge doesnt need that.
and they are building more type45 he he he. the empty H&D of the tallest and fairest mast to house the SAMPSON.

france seems to have gone the right way in going easy on horizon and building lots of smaller multirole FREMM ships.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 May 2011 10:42

UK may or may not need big ships but they effectively contribute to over all NATO strength and commitments , so one should not look these things in isolation , all NATO countries do their bit to add more muscle to it although these days due to economic crises its low on scale and muscle.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 May 2011 11:08

UK would likely have been better served with a few Tarawa class type LPHD with JSF rather than type45. USN has a huge surplus of Aegis ships (around 50) and the italian-french combine the Horizon class for air defence. so aaw and naval air cover is least problem for nato.

but then again nobody wants to real shit work and put boots on ground (except Khan when it has to). everyone wants to play stealth, look cool and do the standoff global power thing.

to give credit to the king khan, whenever it gets down and dirty and calls for a stand up fight (boots on ground), it gathers together its scared bunch of munnas , slaps them around and forcibly makes them join the war party/posse. khan does the bulk of fighting itself using massive airpower, EW and armour mech forces but gives each henchman a role and a place in the wall - atleast to point a javelin or pike in the general direction of danger and sing war songs.

other case is when munna gets too big for capabilities , starts a fight, cannot escalate or finish it and squels for khan's help (Libya). two USMC armour brigades landing east and west of tripoli could oust the regime in two weeks , but it drags on ....

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 29 May 2011 01:46

Russia's 2nd Graney class nuclear sub to enter service in 2015
http://shaktiraj25.blogspot.com/2011/02 ... ub-to.html

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 May 2011 12:21

Some big plans by Australia on submarine conventional submarine

Construction of 12 submarines in Adelaide spared defence budget cuts

A $36 billion project to build 12 replacement submarines in Adelaide will go ahead despite budget cuts.

The project, announced in 2007, involves replacing six Collins-class submarines currently used by the Royal Australian Navy with 12 new submarines by 2025.

"The Government is committed to building 12 submarines, as set out in our 2009 Defence White Paper," Mr Clare said.

"These will be assembled in Adelaide.

"The project is extremely complex and it will take decades to fully complete. Defence is doing the planning work on the project now.

"There are big decisions to make about the future of our submarine fleet, decisions that will have an impact for decades to come.

"Some of these have been taken in the White Paper, released in 2009. Others will be taken over the next few years. It is important that this work is done carefully and methodically - to get it right."

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 31 May 2011 10:29

2nd Gepard class frigate was shipped to Vietnam

After successful sea- and acceptance trials, the second Gepard 3.9 class ship built by Zelenodolsk Shipyard was sent to the orderer.

The ship was loaded aboard the special-purpose transport vessel Eide Transporter on May 25 and shipped to Vietnam on May 26. Estimated duration of the cruise is 65 days.

As was earlier reported, all mechanisms, systems, and armament of the ship conform to the contract specifications and technical design.

The ship has improved navigability, maneuverability, dynamism, steering capabilities, and longer cruising range. The interior design was also changed with regard to the orderer's wishes expressed after the first frigate's delivery. According to experts, the second ship is more serviceable and easier to operate.

The Gepard class ships have a stealth-shaped hull with a full displacement of about 2,100 tons and their cruising endurance is 5000 nautical miles. These frigates are armed with Kh-35E anti-ship missiles, the Osa-M air defense missile system, 76.2 mm and 30mm artillery guns, 533-mm torpedoes and antisubmarine mortars. Zelenodolsk plant reported that the Vietnamese ships received more fuel-efficient diesel engine instead of the gas turbine powerplant of the 1661 project frigates. Due to some improvements with the diesel, its speed grew to 21 knots (compared with the design of 18 knots).

wig · Post by **wig** » 04 Jun 2011 06:48

We should share aircraft carrier, say French

Britain and France are set to share an aircraft carrier as part of plans for far closer integration between the two navies, the head of France’s fleet has said in an interview with The Daily Telegraph.

While France only has one carrier, it is possible that the second of two 60,000-ton British carriers being built could be shared by the two countries to be used only for training in a move that would save millions for both nations. Speaking at the French navy’s headquarters in Paris, Adml Forissier said: “If we have the necessary budget it would be useful to each have a national carrier then have an extra carrier — not as expensive and for training uses — for UK and French use.

“It would be useful to have a carrier in Europe for training pilots, otherwise we would need two carriers on both sides and I do not think this is economically feasible.”

British aircraft could fly missions off French carriers in the future, the admiral said. “When you carry out an attack it is the nationality of the aircraft [that is important], so potentially in the future you could have UK aircraft operating for a UK mission from a French base.”

With no Royal Navy carriers available for at least the next decade, the French navy will be a significant partner in helping train British sailors.

Adml Forissier said: “The Royal Navy has lost its know-how for 'catapult carriers’.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... rench.html

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 04 Jun 2011 07:37

^ Sad state of affairs

Single threadbare lungi to cover two warm bodies

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Jun 2011 07:44

and UKs butt would still show despite h&d efforts by the admiralty. this training carrier would likely have a much smaller airwing and ship crew (no damage control surplus), very austere radar/comms/ew suite and no air defences or ASW gear...to reduce cost.

maybe we could sell them back the HMS Hermes for this role

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 04 Jun 2011 10:29

How the mighty have fallen eh. Royal Navy was all that was British. Looking forward to the day, which will be very very soon, that India's navy comfortably outclasses the RN.

What I don't understand is why the Nau Sena's ensign seems patterned after the RN's (though with Indian symbols).

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 04 Jun 2011 12:33

UBanerjee wrote:What I don't understand is why the Nau Sena's ensign seems patterned after the RN's (though with Indian symbols).

Because IN came form RN, we inherited many things from the British, even some of our warship design doctrine is from the British (1 Main Gun etc). We retain this things we like and change were we want to change. BTB, the IN has already outnumbered the RN on fleet strength.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Jun 2011 12:47

UK did a smart thing reducing defence expenditure in an era where economy was not doing well , they really have no visible threat that would justify the need to maintain a CBG force other then the occasional Bear buzzing their coast and Typhoon sent to greet it , they would any way get a new Carrier in the next ten year , they did the right thing in pooling their resource so that they can maintain their training momentum , I am sure their North American friends would oblige them if required.

NATO maintains a great deal of synergy amongst their defence forces and with the end of cold war and no visible state enemy other then some Arab not toeing their line and fighting terrorist in the mountain , they really do not have any good reason to maintain old force level , US can chip in as and when required since NATO countries are obliged to help each other.

They are probably better off spending improving their intelligence and co-ordination so that they can protect their people against terrorist threat which is a real threat to them.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 04 Jun 2011 21:18

cheenum wrote:
UBanerjee wrote:What I don't understand is why the Nau Sena's ensign seems patterned after the RN's (though with Indian symbols).
Because IN came form RN, we inherited many things from the British, even some of our warship design doctrine is from the British (1 Main Gun etc). We retain this things we like and change were we want to change. BTB, the IN has already outnumbered the RN on fleet strength.

Still- quite jarring to see St. George's Cross as the backbone of the Indian ensign!