Intelligence & National Security Discussion

ranjithnath · Post by **ranjithnath** » 19 Apr 2011 07:55

sorry for the poor image quality.

nmadhav · Post by **nmadhav** » 19 Apr 2011 09:32

there was a report yesterday about the creation of a new central agency to b headed by the NSA.Its supposedly called strategic protection staff and is funded by the PMO.The report slams the government for the creation of yet another agency and lack of coordination and synergy between different intelligent agencies.Did anyone notice it??cant find the link on their site though.

http://expressbuzz.com/thesundaystandar ... 66247.html

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Apr 2011 09:41

Mogambo kush hain.

Penny-wise government sets up secret cell

Express News Service
First Published : 17 Apr 2011 12:45:00 AM IST
Last Updated : 18 Apr 2011 11:20:22 AM IST

NEWDELHI: Austerity can wait.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has sanctioned the creation of yet another powerful office under National Security Advisor (NSA) Shiv Shankar Menon Called the Strategic Programme Staff (SPS), it will be serviced by 33 officers at an annual cost of Rs 4.24 crore.

While Menon holds the rank of Minister of State, the SPS will have one secretary, nine directors and 23 support staff, including one principal private secretary, nine private secretaries, four drivers and six multi-tasking employees. This is in addition to the people already working for the NSA and National Security Council Secretariat.

The SPS has also been allocated a massive office in New Delhi.This is the first time that the PMO has not followed the normal procedure of seeking advance budgetary approval before setting up a new body.

In fact, the SPS creation process was such a closely-guarded secret that not even top bureaucrats were involved. A top-secret note, dated April 8, 2011, signed by a joint secretary in the National Security Council Secretariat, says: “This secretariat was not aware of the proposal of setting up the SPS at the time of formulating the Budget Estimates for 2011-2012 and, therefore, no provision has been included towards this in BE 2011-2012 and neither it is possible to meet the expenditure on the new raising from the NSS budget allocation.” The note reveals that the exercise started even before Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee presented his budget on February 28, 2011. Both Mukherjee and the Secretary (Expenditure) had given their official nod on January 10 itself. Surprisingly, the PMO conveyed its approval to the NCS only on March 5. As per the rules, any proposal for the creation of a new department has to be submitted to the Cabinet with full justification. In the case of the SPS, no such justification has been seen by anyone except a note seeking the release of funds

The PMO seems to be in such a tearing hurry that it has sought money from the Contingency Fund of India for making the SPS functional immediately. Bureaucratic sources say that the SPS will be used by Menon to be independent of agencies like Intelligence Bureau (IB), Research & Analysis Wing (RAW) and Military Intelligence. None of the other 50 ministries and 150-odd departments has such massive paraphernalia to service a single authority. None of the previous NSAs like Brajesh Mishra, J N Dixit and M K Narayanan had demanded such huge infrastructure either.

The government is already spending over Rs 200 crore on the IB and an unaudited sum on R&AW operations; the addition of yet another white elephant will significantly hike expenditure and start a turf war among the already inimical security agencies.

Shekar Duppatta is stooping too low. Wrong reasosn in last line.

MMS feels the need and has created it.Its very much needed now.

ranjithnath · Post by **ranjithnath** » 19 Apr 2011 10:01

the question is what exactly is the role of this new agency??the author seems only to be worried at how much the govt is supposedly "wasting" and does not even bother about current security scenario.

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Apr 2011 10:01

^^ What will this SPS be used for? Is this a private intel agency only for the NSA?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Apr 2011 20:46

The author and his sources are whining. The fact that MMS cleared the agency with such speed and put it at NSA disposal shows there is some urgency and a clear need for it. The name tells you its planning staff for NSA and not another cloak and dagger outfit. They clearly give the org structure of the SPS and its numbers.

The author and his sources have lost the argument against the creation of this outfit and are whining in public.

Most likely NSA needed a bunch of folks who are tasked to think ahead and not indulge in catfights to climb the ladder. And the name tells us its really for the PM.

satya · Post by **satya** » 19 Apr 2011 22:06

Late KSjee was heading Global Trend Study or Global Study Group something something. Might be an extension of tht ?

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 19 Apr 2011 22:38

The government is already spending over Rs 200 crore on the IB and an unaudited sum on R&AW operations;

if 200 crore is not a typo does that mean IB gets only 200cr for its operations ? what are they expected to do with pay their sources with photostat copies of 1000re notes ?All these netas need to be hauled up and put in a training school to inculcate strategic thinking

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Apr 2011 23:36

its ~50 times the budget of that new group! And for that all IB does is do election survesy for ruling party and catch an occassional low level Paki spy and gets shabashi from the press regulars about how they averted a catastrophe. In return they get the diplomats posted in TSP beat up. So that amount is just right for what they don't do.

Never saw them catch a Western spy or a PRC one. Let them do that and justify any increase.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Apr 2011 01:15

ReDiff has better prespective on the SPS

NSA gets a Staff Boost

The Prime Minister's Office has approved setting up of a Strategic Programme Staff to function under the National Security Advisor. This unique back up to National Security Advisor will be headed by a secretary level officer, to be packed with directors and deputy secretaries as staff members.

According to sources, the proposal was initiated by the present NSA, Shiv Shankar Menon [ Images ], who got it approved by the PMO. The Union home ministry was of the view that the the post of secretary cannot be created without the approval of the Union Cabinet. "But this was over-ruled by the PMO," added the source.

The national security advisor secretariat shall now have a secretary status official to head the department. "The NSA position is becoming too unwieldy," said the source. The Intelligence Bureau and the Research & Analysis Wing had their reservations about the SPS proposal, and their reports are being processed by the latter, before it will be submitted to the NSA.
{So NSA was getting a lot of chaff from the tow agencies. Now it will get winnowed before NSA gets it. Hence the takleef and Ind Exp leak!}

The IB and the RA&W were backing up the NSA during the tenures of tenure of M K Narayanan and J N Dikshit. But now with Menon in position, the department is keen to de-link the two agencies from the NSA, said a source. The SPS' basic responsibility is to render assistance to the NSA.

The SPS will also be party reporting to the National Security Council Secretariat.

A correspondent in New Delhi

In other words the NSA gets his own Program staff to review the data from other groups and integrate it for further use by PMO.

Recall the complaints of JIC being neutered as the Secretariat of the NSC?

Remember this graphic?

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 11#p583911

This goes back to Chanakya's dictum on ensuring assesment by those who have to implement the decisons.

Acharya, Need you to look up that "Informing Statecraft" by Cordesman.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Apr 2011 01:54

And Satya,

It might be they are implementing your idea of a PMO Study Group!

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 63#p525563

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 20 Apr 2011 05:47

^^^Doesnt seem to be cloak-and-dagger, but surely an extension of the bureaucracy..The National Security Council Secretariat (NSCS) is the "staff office/support" for the NSA..there have been numerous reports that NSCS itself has been struggling to get enough qualified people..Now SPS is being created to be another "staff office" for the NSA!

Second, I thought they had de-linked the operational intel supervision mandate from the NSA's remit after 26/11..PC was very vocal and clear about it, and it was part of the whole heartburn against MKN...The architecture seemed to be on a revamp with the setting up of the MAC, proposals for n NCTC..PC even wanted RAW to report upto him (a bad idea IMO, but thats a different point)...

This seems to suggest that we are moving somewhat back...

Really, most of the times this is just about individual whims and fancies...The structure becomes incidental to the process...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Apr 2011 08:26

Nine directors means there are atleast that many sub divisions or topics to watch. I has to be a secy level job to head the outfit or they will get snowballed in hierarchy. Great that many officers are willing to work in NSA's office.

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 20 Apr 2011 12:16

In Bureaucracy ones heft is known by how many people report to one and whom does one report to. So for example if Person A has 20 people reporting to him and he reports to a Cabinet Minister while Person B has 10 people reporting to him and he reportes to a Minister of State or non Cabinet Minister, then Person A will be viewed as a heavy weight compared to Person B. This will happen even if Person A and Person B have the same rank or if Person B's rank is higher than Person A.

Also by having people reporting to you or working under you, creates the power to influence.

This SPS seems like a bureaucratic tussle going on in GoI. Instead of JIC being enhanced or existing institutions and structures being strengthened, duplicate or redundant structures are being created. What a waste. Will this become a staff office for NSA? NSA as it was conceived off was to play a coordinator role. Are we going to reduce NSA to another agency like CBI/IB/RAW/DRI/etc.

satya · Post by **satya** » 20 Apr 2011 13:50

Correct me if i am wrong but most of the brain wali naukari in present day NSC is either deputation from other deptts. or rtd. babus or 2nd jobs from non govt. background inshort there's not much of a permanent cadre in NSC apart from file pushers and printer catridge changers . It seem like tht SPS is a nurturing ground to prepare India's own future National Level Strategists who can look look beyond traffic policemen type duties they do in present structure. Again let's wait for more information to come out to get a clear picture about its role . To have sec. level babu with 9 other heavyweights means its going to be a super heavy weight body in national security scenario .

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 20 Apr 2011 19:04

^^^^The structure isnt much different from NSCS...Both are deputationist offices with no permanent staff.....Therefore the rationale is missing...Maybe the current NSA doesnt get along with the Dy NSAs!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Apr 2011 02:20

satya in India, the pecking order is year and cadre. The top heavy org is need to get any traction. Otherwise they will get ignored. The staffing was done to take care of inherent problems of bureaucracy. Look at the sudden revelation of the decision in order to prevent sabotage/undercutting. Still reports about efficacy were submitted.
Obviosuly NSA and PM think there is a need for change and have done that. And they ensured separation/collocation of the staff in different bldg.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Apr 2011 03:20

ramana wrote:
This goes back to Chanakya's dictum on ensuring assesment by those who have to implement the decisons.

Acharya, Need you to look up that "Informing Statecraft" by Cordesman.

Yes will do. The book opened my eyes on this. Trends and analysis needs dedicated groups.
Information gathering is a separate specialty. Indirect means of collections in the most fascinating. Lot of WWII examples and they are still being used by the largest data collection agencies.

satya · Post by **satya** » 21 Apr 2011 11:46

Ramanajee

reason i think this is going to be 'gurukul' was ''will be headed by a secretary level officer, to be packed with directors and deputy secretaries as staff members. '' Deputy Sec is entry level for IAS cadre so they are going to groom these 9 for start again just a speculation only for they might be departmental promotional type babus nearing retirement .

Directors i think are jt. sec. level officers ( 5-10 yrs experience ) . So basically they have students for each class in gurukul .

Acharyajee

Trends and analysis needs dedicated groups.
Information gathering is a separate specialty

IMHO you have found the problem in desh's intel set up . Here intel gatherer is asked wht he makes of information collected by him either in dual ( gatherer + analyzer) role or worse promotion to a 9-5 job to analyze but then with no special training since its assumed he or she knows for they have worked x yrs in field . It works at local policing level where u need keen observer of human behavior but at national level its like missing the wood for trees. Maybe it works to profile foreign nation's leadership ( there too why not ask one of our jyotisacharyas who i can bet will tell u more in depth with precision )

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Apr 2011 11:58

U.S. interest in unique identification project

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/23/stories ... 351300.htm

The U.S. State Department showed immense interest in the Unique Identification (UID) project being implemented by the Government of India and wanted to know details including “the name, model, and version of the biometric collection devices used for the ID.” The office of the Secretary of State, on December 17, 2009, sent a cable ( 240481: secret/noforn) under the name of Hillary Clinton asking the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi to find out the motivation behind the project and to collect as much information on it as possible.

The ostensible reason behind the interest in the U.S. was that the project “could present a vulnerable target for regional extremist groups — such as Lashkar e-Tayyiba — who could obtain fraudulent Indian ID cards during the large-scale enrolment for use in travel or as breeder documents to apply for passports.”

Hence, the State Department wanted to know what security features would be incorporated in the card, and anti-fraud measures adopted, and if any encryption method would be used. It wanted to know whether the standards would meet International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) norms.

The ICAO is a specialised agency of the United Nations with 190 contracting states, mandated to promote safe and efficient international air travel. It periodically recommends standards for aspects of air travel. Its recommendations have included machine readable travel documents with biometric enhance ments.

Use in other sectors

It was clear from the cable that the U.S. interest in the UID project was not limited to anti-fraud measures. It was keen to know “what is India's strategic plan for utilizing biometric ID card technology in the military, law enforcement, and private sectors.” There was particular interest to know how the biometric card would be used at the borders, ports and airports, and whether it would be used to issue passports. The Embassy in Delhi was asked to find out the following: “Which foreign countries and/or corporations are assisting in the development of the ID card? Which biometric systems (i.e. fingerprints, facial recognition, iris scan, etc.) will be incorporated into the card? What systems, databases, or portals will the named biometric ID card collection devices in India communicate with?”

Specific instructions were given to Embassy officials to report on any efforts to ‘“spoof' or defeat biometric enrolment, such as fingerprint alteration.” The State Department impressed on them that their valuable inputs would be “incorporated into a strategic assessment for senior US policymakers on the regional implications in South Asia of the biometric ID program.”

dinakar · Post by **dinakar** » 26 Apr 2011 21:29

A Fox On A Fishing Expedition

Every day, at a secret facility of the National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) near Kala Ghoda in south Mumbai, a team of 18 operators sits peering through massive amounts of data coming in through undersea cables from across continents into an international gateway facility several kilometres away in Malad. The cables carry voice and internet data from Europe to Asia and vice versa, and by tapping into them, Indian intelligence is now playing Big Brother with a vengeance.

^^^Article about the recent NTRO's efforts in SIGINT...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Apr 2011 22:00

Interesting thing is they cite US problems and assume they are the same in India. The article highlights the concerns of the civli society agitators but doesn't highlight the regular scrutiny of the monitoring that the GOI has in place. It has a CT angle or thrust to it. India is the target of a concerted terrorist campaign from TSP and with benighn support from US.

DCH, Heywood unsecured wifi in Mumbai. etc.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Apr 2011 22:37

ramana wrote:Interesting thing is they cite US problems and assume they are the same in India. The article highlights the concerns of the civli society agitators but doesn't highlight the regular scrutiny of the monitoring that the GOI has in place. It has a CT angle or thrust to it. India is the target of a concerted terrorist campaign from TSP and with benighn support from US.

DCH, Heywood unsecured wifi in Mumbai. etc.

And they want freedom and RTI like in US as if it is the same situation. Such as distance from reality is mind boggling

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Apr 2011 00:43

ramana wrote:Interesting thing is they cite US problems and assume they are the same in India. The article highlights the concerns of the civli society agitators but doesn't highlight the regular scrutiny of the monitoring that the GOI has in place. It has a CT angle or thrust to it. India is the target of a concerted terrorist campaign from TSP and with benighn support from US.

DCH, Heywood unsecured wifi in Mumbai. etc.

I agree. They wanted us to invade - it would have been a nice exit for them or a taken the heat off and allowed the US to have a lever on TSP to do the needful and at the same time hit India and economy.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 28 Apr 2011 04:42

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?271157

Cabinet Secretariat opens inquiry into corruption at NTRO & RAW ARC

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 28 Apr 2011 09:14

shyamd wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?271157

Cabinet Secretariat opens inquiry into corruption at NTRO & RAW ARC

If you read "India's External Intelligence: Secrets of Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) , Maj. Gen V. K. Singh" you will know how they purchase the com equipment from.

ranjithnath · Post by **ranjithnath** » 28 Apr 2011 09:38

some interesting revealations on purilia arms drop case on times now.shows kim davy revealing he was authorised by PMO for dropping arms in purilia district to arm the people of WB against CPI(M) goonds.says the RAW and MI5 coordinated the whole mission with central govts approval.motive suspected to be to destablize WB govt and impose presidential rule like what happened in tripura.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 28 Apr 2011 09:51

PV was in reign then, so INC would be open for all kinds of inquiry into this incident. But what is the significance of the timing, this doesnt help INC in the electionss

geeth · Post by **geeth** » 28 Apr 2011 10:32

>>>Forgive the extensive Copy+Paste, but this is important news indeed! With Rana on the stand, we should expect a lot more of info being spilled by the CIA! Cheers to the brotherhood of the CIA, ISI - may they suffer many more years of such discord.

Or may be unkeel wants to convey the message that they are with India in the fight on terror, while heart is still with Pakis.. decision on MMRCA is due..na?!

ranjithnath · Post by **ranjithnath** » 28 Apr 2011 10:41

suryag wrote:PV was in reign then, so INC would be open for all kinds of inquiry into this incident. But what is the significance of the timing, this doesnt help INC in the electionss

KD says hes in the process of being extradited to india being banned a terrorist.he has come out in public with the allegations against him in a big sense.he has also promised to reveal the name of an MP who reportedly had contact with him throughout the operations and in whose car he was smuggled out of india to nepal.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 28 Apr 2011 11:20

Watch Times Now right NOW>
Arnab Goswami is interviewing Peter Bleach and Kim Davy via skype.

They say that people in GoI wanted the arms dropped to destabilize the CPI(M) government in West Bengal. PV Narsihma Rao was PM then.

They say that MI5 was told before hand that they had been contracted by powerful people in India to drop arms into Purulia. Britain got in touch with GoI and an understanding that let the arms drop go ahead, and we will catch the culprits red handed.

What happened then, was that no one collected the arms, no one was caught red handed and these guys were arrested.

Kim Davy says that he was spirited out of India by GoI officials in a sarkari car with Armed escorts into nepal and then he flew out. Peter bleach gave a 30 page statement to the CBI - He names JK Dutt as he was present in Mumbai Sahar MINUTES AFTER HE LANDED THERE. That 30 page statement where he gave all information of the case was NEVER produced in court. Peter Bleach was convicted in India, nearly died of Tuberculosis in Presidency Jail, Kolkata, but was eventually given a presidential pardon in India.

Now Kim Davy is up for extradition from Denmark - He's been living comfortably there giving interviews to the media while the CBI has been 'hot' on his trail in South America and Australia.

WoW!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 28 Apr 2011 11:29

Kim Davy gives an interesting angle.

He says that in 1988 the center eqipped rebels there with weapons to destabilize the state.
The center then imposed President's rule there.

He claims that the same template was to be employed in WB

ranjithnath · Post by **ranjithnath** » 28 Apr 2011 11:29

actually KD had been traced to denmark way back in 2002 byt the CBI.they were negotiating for his extradition until cabinet gave its approval in 2005.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 18588.aspx

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Apr 2011 11:32

^^^
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 18#p610218
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 04#p610704

gaganullah, kangress does not need armed insurgency to declare prez rule in a state. they have done so numerous times w/o any grounds.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 28 Apr 2011 12:20

Kim Dav's Story:
He was working for NGOs and aid agencies who were working in Africa, when he heard that communists were killing people in WB in India. One Australian woman was nearly killed, and there were pictures of brutal massacres being carried out there.

He arrives in Kolkata, travels across WB and sees first hand the massacres. He calims that he is deeply moved, and wishes that the people be armed to 'protect' themselves. He denies that his attempt to arm them is fomenting terrorism, he claims that this was justified self protection.

The massacres in WB move the politicians, a group of 24 politicians write to PM Narsimha Rao to do something about the killings.

Kim gets in touch with an Indian MP who says that he is in touch with the PMO! So arms are arranged through Peter Bleach from the UK.
Peter Bleach was an arms supplier, who had worked for MI5 in the past. Peter Davy informs the MI5 when he is approached for the arms drop. Peter Davy has all the required papers of the statement that he gave to MI5, and the MI5 officer (Peter Names the officers on Times Now) writes in his statement that Peter does not have any information on who is masterminding the arms drop.

MI5 gets in touch with RAW and GoI, and the plan is to allow the drop to go ahead so that the people can be caught red handed.

The plane an AN-26 with arms is in Karachi. Kim Davy gets a phone call from the MP-who-is-close-to-the-PMO that he has 48 hours to do the drop and that the window will close thereafter. The target of the arms drop is an abandoned WW2 airfield in Purulia. (Google Earth coordinates: Jhalda 23°22'9.81"N 85°58'36.74"E )

The plane lands, refuels and stays on the ground in Varanasi for 7 hours - is not checked at all. Then it flies and drops the arms over the village Jhalda in Purulia District. He alleges that RAW got the IAF to "switch off" the Radar at Kalaikunda. They refuel at Kolkata, then go off to Phuket. On the way back there is a storm over the Bay of Bengal so they divert from the flight path that they have filed and land and take off from Madras (chennai). They are intercepted when the IAF finds a bogie flying around without a flight path. The IAF makes them land at Bombay. CBI guys are on the ground to talk to the crew.

While Peter Bleach and the Latvian crew are arrested, Kim Davis is whisked away by "government officials" into a safehouse in Mumbai and then in Delhi. He is sent to Nepal in the MPs car with vehicles in front and back and guards armed with AK-47s. So his is whisked out of India by GoI officials.

Meanwhile Peter Bleach gives a 30 page statement to JK Dutt descriing everything, but he says that this statement is never admitted in court. He and the Latvian pilots are brought to a Purulia court and then convicted of waging war against India and sent to presidency jail kolkata to serve out their sentences. Peter Bleach is eventually released on the request of Britain, he gets a Presidential Pardon after serving 7 years in Jail and nearly dying of Tuberculosis in Kolkata.

Meanwhile Peter Bleach says that CBI has gone to Latvia and threatened the families of the Latvian crew to stop giving interviews to the media. The Latvian crew take Russian citizenship while in Jail in kolkata, and Vladimir Putin gets them released from Jail after discussions with GoI.

So that is the story as per Peter Bleach and Kim Davis on Skype with Times Now with Arnab Goswami !!!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 28 Apr 2011 12:24

BRF Conspiracy Theory:

There was a Purulia Arms Drop Case thread on BRF that has disappeard mysteriously.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 28 Apr 2011 12:26

One reason these guys are coming out now (Kim Davis) is because he is probably getting extradited to India. He is afraid that the MP-who-was-in-contact-with-the-PMO will silence him once he is here.

Amongst a host of other possible reasons.

BTW:
Ananda Nagar, the HQ of the Ananda Margis is located here: 23°29'48.50"N, 86° 4'22.03"E

The drop was in the fields of the villages of Balamu, Maramu, Ghatanga just south of this place.

Marut · Post by **Marut** » 28 Apr 2011 13:33

Watching the Times Now report on the Purulia arms drop case and interviews by Kim Davy & Peter Bleach, some things that can be concluded are:

1. The arms drop wasn't a purely external operation. R&AW liased with MI5 to let it happen.
2. PB is ex-brit intel and KD is most likely to be a sleeper.
3. Both have been spouting some really political stuff and seem to be have been schooled, KD more than PB.
4. The timing of this disclosure doesn't make me take it face value at all.
5. Indian politicos were involved as well as some Indian officers.
6. This drop was part of a plan by politicos to precipitate a situation in WB to facilitate imposition of President's rule.

Questions raised from the information presented:
1. Who were the India politicians who conceived this arms drop?
2. Who were the intended recipients of the arms? Who were these people assigned to precipitate the situation for Art. 356?
3. Who is the MP that helped spirit off KD to Nepal and thence onto Europe?
4. What was the deal with PB to get him a Presidential pardon?
5. KD has been rambling on about the rape, murder, torture by CPI(M) goons and how he wanted to help the innocents fight back. What is deal with this? Why the sudden love for the poor, oppressed and downtrodden?
6. What is total quantity of arms that was on the plane and how much was air dropped? Of those air dropped, how many were recovered back? I haven't seen any report about this aspect.

<Putting my tinfoil hat on>

This was an operation planned by our politicos to create internal disturbance and impose Art. 356. {standard procedure for kaangress} For this they needed to create internal conflict which requires arms. The agent provocateurs could be armed with standard issue Indian arms, which they would have stolen from a police armoury. But someone somewhere came up with the brilliant idea of giving better firepower to these chaps. In comes a friendly gora (KD) who has been serving the people and wishes to help them rise up to the atrocities. He gets them in touch with arms dealer (PB) and they strike a deal. UQ intel sees an opportunity to stir the pot and expands the scope of the operations slyly. The agent provocateurs are primed for bigger goals through KD and PB is assigned to oversee the operation. Our politicos pull some strings to facilitate this arms drop that would meet their political goal unaware of the bigger plan. So raa and mi 5/6 liase to see it through. Anandmargis are put on as front for these provocateurs and the drop is made. The Anandmargis blissfully ignorant of the plans and locals report to police about arms dropping over their heads! Police and subsequently media swing into action and the whole affair comes to light. The plane is forced to land on the way back and the perps (PB included) are apprehended. KD being a more direct participant in the affair is spirited away by our politicos. The rest are caught up and the media spectacle takes the limelight.

raa may have figured it out some time later that they had infact been double crossed by the brits. The arms had been dropped twice, a larger cache for the real recipients and a smaller cache in another place to make this look like a small affair. The amount of arms were also way in excess than originally though of. The reds get their seed funding and set about their goal of red corridor. Our politicos as usual score a self goal displaying the strategic brilliance on long term myopia for short term gains. What we see as Maoist problem was seeded by this episode

<\tinfoil hat off>

These are only some of my initial observations. Will post more as I crystallize my thoughts.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 28 Apr 2011 18:15

Marut ji , I have certain information on Purulia arms drop(or rather how the arms were disposed).They were definitely not for West Bengal.And yes Ananda Margis were the actual dealers for these weapons once they reached Purulia(This is very true).Most of these weapons were distributed amongst Criminal gangs,Private armies and naxalite factions operating in states of Bihar,Jharkhand and UP.Infact if any one remembers the events(in these states) in late 90's he would be aware of the dramatic increase in firepower of various criminal gangs operating in these areas.The same AKs were used in many hits during this period.

This west bengal theory is just conspiracy theory.Yes politicians were involved(infact most of the gangsters who ordered these weapons themselves became politicians).But that is about it.This article 356 theory is not true.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 28 Apr 2011 18:42

Question is how is this going to affect the WB elections.
This release is timed to tie in with the WB elections. The CPI(M) for the first time in like 3+ decades is teetering on the edge and might lose power if that one final push is given.

KD going on about the human rights violations, murder by the CPI caders in the villages is the final push?

But this implicates the congress walas also. And Bengal congress-walas and walis are now going to get projected as anti nationals no less!

Let us see how the netas spin this.