Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

prashanth · Post by **prashanth** » 12 Apr 2011 21:45

The deception at the heart of ‘Rising India'

This love unblushingly speaks its name in the cables; even the racketeers of Pakistani military and intelligence appear dignified when compared with the Indians stampeding to plant kisses on U.S. behinds.

Bad use of words....

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Apr 2011 22:55

Assange ko MMS pur gussa khyun? What goes his father? Unless he is leaking per higher directions?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 12 Apr 2011 23:09

ramana wrote:Assange ko MMS pur gussa khyun? What goes his father? Unless he is leaking per higher directions?

His leaks are directly related to the reaction of anger due to India's selection of an Aryan fighter jet that has more Indo-aryan collaboration and more aryan components.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Apr 2011 23:11

Clarify please?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 12 Apr 2011 23:13

SSridhar wrote:It means he has a habit of reactively covering up corruption allegations:Assange on PM Man Mohan Singh
Mr. Assange is genuinely distressed and not a little outraged by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's disputation in Parliament of the authenticity of the India Cables, his Lok Sabha statement that the government “cannot confirm the veracity, contents or even the existence of such communication.”

Who the F)(k is Mr. Assange to talk about India and MMS.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 12 Apr 2011 23:14

^^^
The grapevine is that Typhoon (I called it as Aryan jet because of more-German involvement) is either selected or on the top before Rafale. F16 and FA-18 are no where near selection. All the wikileaks are coming only after such news/rumors getting out.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Apr 2011 23:17

Wow! It would means pees are on purpose to dissuade gullible/voluble/loquacious interlo(c)utors!

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 13 Apr 2011 10:20

NYTimes' ebook on Wikileaks.

Are they allowed to profit from this?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Apr 2011 22:55

The more one looks at wikipees one is reminded of a vishakanya ment for Indian political elite. True it has tantalizing hints about other countries but its most damagin to Indian elite structures: politicians: in and out of power, babus and op-ed makers. Even its exclusive disbursal in India thru N Ram is pointer as he gets to decide what to reveal at what time. Assange's getting upset at MMS for being dismissive is another pointer of who it was supposed to damage but didnt.

So even if wikipees has salcious details of other countries (these are to prevent being them being viewed as anti-India so adds to its pseudo-credibility) the main intent is a warning shot acorss the Indian elite's bow.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 15 Apr 2011 13:55

Muppalla wrote:^^^
The grapevine is that Typhoon (I called it as Aryan jet because of more-German involvement) is either selected or on the top before Rafale. F16 and FA-18 are no where near selection. All the wikileaks are coming only after such news/rumors getting out.

If it is true, then I am happy that the Americans have not been able to play their two faced game of arming both India and Pakistan by fomenting trouble between the two. I would have loved to see the Russian get this job, but they already get a lot of our business, and we need to spread out our suppliers. Germany getting our business is good for another reason, building strong bonds with a stable hi tech economy.

However, I doubt that wikileaks was directed against India and India alone. It is too big and blunt an instrument to use against our elite. All parties in India have been embarrased. The only long term effect of this scandal will be that people will be wary of talking to American diplomats, indeed any diplomats. So US diplomacy in particular and diplomacy in general will be the big loser.

If US wanted to fire a shot across our bows, they have a number of other (much better focussed) options to choose from.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 15 Apr 2011 19:36

abhischekcc wrote:However, I doubt that wikileaks was directed against India and India alone. It is too big and blunt an instrument to use against our elite. All parties in India have been embarrased. The only long term effect of this scandal will be that people will be wary of talking to American diplomats, indeed any diplomats. So US diplomacy in particular and diplomacy in general will be the big loser.

If US wanted to fire a shot across our bows, they have a number of other (much better focussed) options to choose from.

It is possible that US is a weaking power with a loss of visionaries in its ranks. In its desperation, it may have gone below the belt attack across all nations using wikileaks. I am more than convinced that these leaks are deliberate and not some Ass-age brilliance.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Apr 2011 22:37

ramana wrote:The more one looks at wikipees one is reminded of a vishakanya ment for Indian political elite. True it has tantalizing hints about other countries but its most damagin to Indian elite structures: politicians: in and out of power, babus and op-ed makers. Even its exclusive disbursal in India thru N Ram is pointer as he gets to decide what to reveal at what time. Assange's getting upset at MMS for being dismissive is another pointer of who it was supposed to damage but didnt.

So even if wikipees has salcious details of other countries (these are to prevent being them being viewed as anti-India so adds to its pseudo-credibility) the main intent is a warning shot acorss the Indian elite's bow.

Got some info on Anna Hazare. He is a marxist for a long period of time. So his connection to the international organization should not be dis counted.

Wikileaks and external actors

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 16 Apr 2011 00:25

ramana wrote:The more one looks at wikipees one is reminded of a vishakanya ment for Indian political elite.

If this was so, why wouldn't more direct methods be used? As long as the Indian growth story stays intact and the economy does well, the existing political elite will get further entrenched.

I think the leaks are a way to test India's institutional reactions to figure out if the country can be controlled by a few key people. On that front, the answer has been Yes, since there have been no investigations ordered, and indeed no apparent consequences from the leaks. All that needs to be done now is to buy off these key people, since they can no longer hide behind the claim of a lack of popular support for unpopular decisions.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 19 Apr 2011 08:18

Exclusive new cables released by WikiLeaks reveal the United States' heavy-handed efforts to help Israel at the U.N.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... lationship

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 19 Apr 2011 09:35

Acharya wrote:Got some info on Anna Hazare. He is a marxist for a long period of time. So his connection to the international organization should not be dis counted.

Wikileaks and external actors

Please share, even if speculative.

If you do not want to publish it on the forum, please send on my eekmail bushlovesosama c/o googlechacha

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Apr 2011 08:27

U.S. government should ‘continue to cultivate' Mamata

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/21/stories ... 080100.htm

Hyderabad a U.S. visa fraud hub

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/21/stories ... 301100.htm

‘Genuine but fraudulent'

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/21/stories ... 341100.htm

Not so ‘cultural'

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/21/stories ... 351100.htm

Constitutional controls check radical Hindutva, says U.S diplomat

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/21/stories ... 331100.htm

‘The Kremlin on the Jumna'

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/21/stories ... 311100.htm

Vatican worries about Catholics in Pakistan

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/21/stories ... 321100.htm

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 22 Apr 2011 07:32

The world of Bollywood as seen through American diplomatic eyes

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/22/stories ... 881100.htm

Southern successes

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/22/stories ... 921100.htm

Muhammad Yunus knew seeking to enter politics in Bangladesh would receive ‘bruising response'

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/22/stories ... 901100.htm

‘Islands of growth' despite hurdles for Catholic Church

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/22/stories ... 891100.htm

Manmohan Singh's apology for anti-Sikh riots a ‘Gandhian moment of moral clarity,' says 2005 cable

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/22/stories ... 911100.htm

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Apr 2011 11:42

^^

One cable ( 248355), after reviewing the opinions and information that were collected, concluded that “U.S. studios have to still find a good working model for partnering with Bollywood.” However, it was optimistic that U.S. companies can still “achieve success in this unpredictable market where even the best Bollywood studios and stars have been known to falter.” In order to get there, the cable advised, the U.S. studios “have to diversify the production pipeline to include a mix of small, medium and big-budget films by renowned and new talent for mainstream and world cinema audiences.”

How cultural social engineering can be done by another country so easyily

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 23 Apr 2011 00:05

One really has to admire the American diplomats' wide range of subjects deemed to be potentially important to US interests and also their thoroughness.

Highly competent.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 23 Apr 2011 00:24

Acharya wrote:
SSridhar wrote:It means he has a habit of reactively covering up corruption allegations:Assange on PM Man Mohan Singh
Mr. Assange is genuinely distressed and not a little outraged by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's disputation in Parliament of the authenticity of the India Cables, his Lok Sabha statement that the government “cannot confirm the veracity, contents or even the existence of such communication.”
Who the F)(k is Mr. Assange to talk about India and MMS.

Why not?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Apr 2011 11:52

Chargè d'Affaires advocates vaastu-compliant Embassy building to sew up nuclear deal with India; says Ambassador threatening to go on a hunger strike until India submitted to IAEA agreement

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/23/stories ... 361300.htm

U.S. interest in unique identification project

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/23/stories ... 351300.htm

Amar Singh asked Manmohan and Sonia to remove Chidambaram, Deora: 2008 cable

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/23/stories ... 381300.htm

How the ‘stars aligned' for closer trilateral relations

http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/23/stories ... 371300.htm

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Apr 2011 14:03

sanjaykumar wrote:One really has to admire the American diplomats' wide range of subjects deemed to be potentially important to US interests and also their thoroughness.

Highly competent.

Am waiting for a Indian wikileaks to happen to know even our babus so thoroughly follow every aspect of any country they are posted in...

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Apr 2011 04:24

Gujarat has dual character

US must promote India to counter the 'Chinese model'

The primary thrust of Mulford’s advocacy of close relationship with India was geo-political. As China was not a democracy, there was a limit to how friendly the Sino-US relationship can ever be, but the US faced no such limitation on its relationship with India, the so-called world’s ‘largest democracy.’

India's babus lack capacity, are stove-piped

'Congress Culture'

Manish Jain · Post by **Manish Jain** » 25 Apr 2011 14:23

Wikileaks:Vatican not happy with BJP victory as it is a potential hindrance in dalit conversion

http://www.thehindu.com/news/the-india- ... 713093.ece

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Apr 2011 14:43

Elaborating on religious freedom issues in India, Murphy said a victory for Hindu Nationalist party BJP in India's general elections next May probably would not be good for the Catholic Church. The BJP has favored anti-conversion laws on the books in five Indian states. These are of concern to the Vatican, even if they are not being applied, because they create a hostile environment to religious freedom and discourage the conversion of Dalits in particular.

Hmmm..... No wonder the foreign funded DDM go hammer and tongs at the BJP on the smallest of issues.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 25 Apr 2011 21:52

Define religious freedom (as practiced by Christians).

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Apr 2011 23:26

Jay wrote:

Who the F)(k is Mr. Assange to talk about India and MMS.

Why not?

Would prefer an Indian who has done some work in exposing Indian system. There are several and one such person is MP Dr Subramaniam Swamy. He had started this from 2005 onwards and has done tremendous work.
Firangi not required inside India and we had them for several centuries already interfering. Do you prefer them.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 26 Apr 2011 00:07

Acharya wrote:
Jay wrote:

Who the F)(k is Mr. Assange to talk about India and MMS.

Why not?
Would prefer an Indian who has done some work in exposing Indian system. There are several and one such person is MP Dr Subramaniam Swamy. He had started this from 2005 onwards and has done tremendous work.
Firangi not required inside India and we had them for several centuries already interfering. Do you prefer them.

Prefer whoever is more effective and immune to pressure from vested interests.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 26 Apr 2011 13:59

Detailed interview with Julian Assange (Arnab Goswami) -- a lot of information here.

http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4371493.cms

MUST WATCH

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 27 Apr 2011 08:27

^^^ Actuallly there is a problem in getting too many phoren opinions and that includes the likes of gasbag sepoy Meghnad Desai

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 Apr 2011 11:58

Jarita wrote:^^^ Actuallly there is a problem in getting too many phoren opinions and that includes the likes of gasbag sepoy Meghnad Desai

Julian Assange is no Megnad Desai. Its not a matter of firangi opinion in this case. We are actually dealing with hitherto unverifiable information.

What ever be the motives and persuasion of Julian Assange, the data he has makes him a very powerful entity.

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 May 2011 09:43

Get out of Iraq, and get Afghanistan right, former Indian High Commissioner in Pakistan told U.S. counter-terrorism official

“The cost of losing Afghanistan is too great for India,” he told Ms. Palmer during a meeting, noting that India has a $650 million aid programme in the country. “Opining that either a real or perceived failure in Afghanistan would be disastrous for the U.S., Parthasarathy said that India would be in ‘deep trouble' if the U.S. walked away from the conflict. Palmer emphatically reassured him of the U.S. government's commitment to stay the course in Afghanistan.”

A “prosperous, friendly” Afghanistan would assert its independence through foreign policy and, therefore, become a threat to neighbouring Pakistan. Ethnic Pashtuns, he said, had “shifting loyalties” and though Osama bin Laden was well-protected, every Pashtun “has his price.” The Pashtun region, the cable reported Mr. Parthasarathy as saying, needs more integration and development. Tajiks and Pashtuns should not be thrown together in the same battalions in the Afghan National Army because they lack ethnic linkages to each other. “If you are fighting, you must have a cause to fight,” he remarked, adding that Tajiks feel abandoned and would benefit from having an all-Tajik battalion, as would the Uzbeks.

Love GP and his blunt talk in all forums..

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 May 2011 09:44

Pakistan pushed for release of alleged bin Laden associate from Guantánamo

A Pakistani businessman alleged by the U.S to have had a direct link with Osama bin Laden, of plotting to acquire chemical and other weapons for al-Qaeda, and offering his media network for al-Qaeda propaganda was among the Guantánamo detainees whose repatriation the Pakistan government actively pushed.

The 64-year-old Saifullah Paracha remains in the Guantánamo Bay prison, possibly its oldest inmate and among the last six Pakistani prisoners not yet considered fit for release and repatriation by U.S. authorities. A U.S Embassy cable from Islamabad, dated August 30, 2006 ( 76668: confidential/noforn) details that a delegation of Pakistani officials who visited Pakistani detainees at Guantánamo returned with the impression that most of the detainees “are individuals who were ‘in the wrong place at the wrong time', not extremists who pose a serious threat.”

The cable is a report of the Pakistani delegation's Guantánamo visit, as told to the Political Counsellor at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad by Lt. Col. Imran Yaqoob — wrongly mentioned in the cable as Imran Farooq — Director of Operations at the National Crisis Management Cell in the Pakistani Ministry of Interior, who was in the delegation.

The cable said, the Pakistani delegation that visited Guantanamo in early August that year, “left with the impression that no major obstacles remain to the repatriation of six of the Pakistani detainees,” including Paracha, “provided that the GoP [government of Pakistan] makes arrangements to keep him in detention here in Pakistan.”

The Karachi businessman was arrested in Bangkok on July 8, 2003, and transferred to the U.S. off-shore prison in Cuba on September 19, 2004.

One of his sons, Uzair Paracha, had been arrested in the U.S. earlier that year and charged with providing material assistance to al-Qaeda. He was convicted by a US court in 2006.

The U.S. officials in Guantánamo assured the delegation that if the Pakistan government submitted a formal request for repatriation, it would be favourably considered. Lt. Col. Yaqoob told the U.S. Embassy official that he had already written to the Pakistan Ministry of Foreign Affairs in support of sending such a request. In addition to the six detainees at Guantánamo, Pakistan also wanted the repatriation of 20 more of its nationals being held in Afghanistan.

But Lt. Col. Yaqoob “warned that for the GOP to keep Saifullah Paracha in custody, it would need information/evidence from the USG to justify his continued detention, noting that Paracha's family has a petition protesting his detention pending in the Pakistan Supreme Court. Without some evidence to support a longer detention, LTC Imran said, Pakistani law would only permit his detention for three months”.

saip · Post by **saip** » 08 May 2011 19:36

WikiLeaks: Guantanamo Bay detainees tell US how ISI allowed attacks on India

Link

Has any one seen the actual cables?

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 24 May 2011 14:45

When in power, people start making money, Maran told U.S. Political Officer

Maaran called Karunanidhi's October 2008 resignation threat a diversionary ‘drama'

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 18 Jul 2011 08:37

Sorry if this was posted....I will delete

We can be happy that India gave a good fight. We win some, we lose some.

UNSC reform: an "adamant" India was biggest irritant for US: Wikileaks

The Americans saw India as the biggest stumbling block in their attempts to achieve a compromise over the expansion of the UN Security Council to include new members.

In diplomatic cables dating from 2007 -- when the negotiations started gathering pace -- to 2010, the US delegation to the UN variously characterised India as an adamant, aggressive, threatening, uncompromising and acerbic.

Out of the five actors -- India, Germany, Japan, Brazil and Africa -- pushing for expanding the Security Council, India and Africa were often singled out by US diplomats for being inflexible and pig-headed, according to the cables leaked by Wikileaks.

The then Indian permanent representative to the United Nations Nirupam Sen was described as someone with a sharp tongue.

“The Indian delegation was the most rigid. Their acerbic interventions in the open ended working group [meeting] insulted the UFC [alliance led by Pakistan and Italy against India, Germany etc.], the President of the General Assembly, and irritated China.

“The Indian Perm Rep, who spoke after the Chinese DPR at the September 15 OEWG meeting, sharply criticized the Chinese position in support of [continuing with] the open ended working group and consensus deliberations, characterizing it as the "swan song of a declining organization (Security Council)” noted another bitter description of India’s position, in September 2008.

In fact, India’s hard-nosed negotiation style was starting to rub-off on its allies too, as shown in the following excerpt from an August 2008 cable.

“Kerim, who had just returned from a working visit to Brazil, Argentina, and Chile, told the [US] Ambassador August 7 that the Brazilian Foreign Minister "showed his cards" and told him that Brazil would "behave like India" and join India in tabling a resolution if inter-governmental negotiations are not launched through the current process.

How Germany, Japan, Brazil & India beat Pakistan, Italy, Argentina & Korea in UN diplomatic war Read this, a must.

UN negotiations are often dull, drab and devoid of drama. However, occasionally, like on September 15, 2008, they become the stage for high drama that can give any Hollywood potboiler a run for its money.

The following incident, which may aptly be characterized as an all out diplomatic war, happened between two opposing groups of nations -- the G-4 comprising of Germany, India, Brazil and Japan and the Uniting for Consensus (UfC) made of the formers’ neighbours and rivals -- Pakistan, Italy, Spain, Argentina, South Korea, Mexico etc..

The war was over whether or not the proposal to inject new members into the UN Security Council should be decided by consensus (all agreeing) or by majority vote.

The subsequent victory, which saw the UfC alliance resoundingly thrashed by the G-4, is credited with breathing a new life into the negotiations over Security Council reform that had been stalled for more than a decade.

The victory was also remarkable as it went against the then stated positions of the big powers of the UN -- China, the US and Russia. It was also the first time the G-4 alliance won a decisive victory against the UFC alliance (Pakistan, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Mexico etc..)

Not surprisingly, countries like China, Russia and the US -- wary of 'too much reform' -- publicly endorsed the ‘consensus’ mode over the voting mode, leading India to finally threaten to take drastic action in mid 2008.

Wikileaks exposes US' double-game on UN Security Council expansion

Despite the US' official stand favoring an expansion of the UN Security Council, new diplomatic cables leaked by Wikileaks show how it was doing everything it could to delay or mould the reform process to its ends.

According to them, the US delegation to the United Nations worked out a clear strategy to delay or prevent the entry of new aspirants such as India, Brazil,and Germany into the World's most exclusive club of veto-weilding UN nations. It, however, consistently supported Japan's entry.

In public, the US has always maintained a stand that it was in favor of expanding the permanent membership club (P5) to more members, but the cables clearly show US diplomats plotting to ensure slow progress in the intergovernmental talks on the expansion.

The talks for expansion have been on for two decades, led by India, Germany, Japan, Brazil (the G4) and the African Union (AU), but gathered momentum in 2008 when the aim of the talks was restated from ‘building a consensus’ opinion to building a majority opinion on the expansion.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 02 Sep 2011 18:54

Big News if true.

WikiLeaks publishes full cache of unredacted cables

WikiLeaks has published its full archive of 251,000 secret US diplomatic cables, without redactions.

WikiLeaks has published its full archive in an easily accessible and searchable manner, the first time the content has been made widely available to those without sophisticated technical skills.

"Some of the new cables have reportedly not been redacted and show the names of informants in various countries, including Israel, Jordan, Iran and Afghanistan," it said in a statement. "While it has not been demonstrated that lives have so far been put in danger by these revelations, the repercussions they could have for informants, such as dismissal, physical attacks and other reprisals, cannot be neglected."

Example - ~3000 cables tagged with US Embassy in New Delhi

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 02 Sep 2011 19:18

May I use this opportunity to also show how Wikileaks embarassed the commies of Kerala. These crooks who find American involvement even if a person gets a bout of diarrhoea, have organised numerous campaigns against the global satan US, have no shame in asking for financial help for the state. The morons wanted US money to be invested in Kerala (and perhaps also wanted US to continue being the favourite whipping boy).
WikiLeaks says Kerala CPI-M wooed US investment, party plays down

* What more can we expect when party leaders are folks:-
1. Who sent their own kids to self-financing colleges out side the state
2. Have no qualms in allowing their own kids to join multinational firms head quartered at US
3. Had no qualms in sending their kids to the Imperialist power UK.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 02 Sep 2011 20:20

Apparently there was a lot of drama surrounding this and the complete publishing of the cable dump was seemingly unintended.
The guys who did this uploaded the cable dump on torrents , ultimately forcing Wikileaks to follow suit.

Got from http://193.198.207.6/wiki/file/xyz/, a Wikileaks mirror, and decrypted it using a password ( "ACollectionOfDiplomaticHistorySince_1966_ToThe_PresentDay#" ) in a book (WikiLeaks: Inside Julian Assange's War On Secrecy written by David Leigh and Luke Harding, and published in February 2011.), available here: http://pastebin.com/SBq9Xpsr

Extracted (use 7-Zip to extract), it is a file called cables.csv, and is 1.61 GiB in size. It seems to be the full Wikileaks cable cache, unredacted and now decrypted.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Sep 2011 21:39

Can we have a BRF team download the full cache and analyse it for India specific issues?

Arun Gupta can you lead the effort?