Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

[hnair]

Ramana

Kayani and co brown panted about Cold Start for a while with their American counterparts, so they (TSPA) probably felt like they had to do something to keep the H&D. But by doing it and thumping their chest they are forgetting that the message being sent is the opposite. It's like an impotent man who has been hoarding v1agra now racing to buy the over the counter "p#nile enhancer" product - by buying the new product you are essentially declaring that even v1agra did not do the job and you remain namard...

I think India's Man Mohini Singh as found the antidote for TSPsura. Its Cold Start which will lead TSP to nuke themselves with every advancing column.

As Gen Paddy said a long time back, "you light one on us, we vaporize you". Nothing changed for India since then, except how pakis light it.

The ones that will be deterred most by NASR are NATO ground troops, who at some point decide to mount a big operation against Pak. I mean if they get hit by a TNW, what will they do? Light up a Trident? The Paki-west escalation path is not clear to the world and they need to sort this out amongst themselves.

[SSridhar]

Gilani wants comprehensive engagement with India

Ahead of the meeting of the Commerce Secretaries of India and Pakistan on Wednesday, Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani on Tuesday said Islamabad wanted to move towards comprehensive and broad-ranging engagements with India on the basis of “equality, mutual trust, mutual interest and mutual respect.”

Mr. Gilani made these remarks at a meeting with Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir and Commerce Secretary Zafar Mahmood during a briefing on the agenda for the bilateral engagement in Islamabad.

Both sides were tight-lipped about the agenda for the meeting but India expects Islamabad to raise Indian objections that are stalling the World Trade Organisation's approval for trade concessions granted by the European Union for a year to Pakistan to help it tide over the difficulties caused by last year's floods.

India's contention is that there is no guarantee that the waiver will benefit the flood-affected. Also, India is of the view that it will set a precedent. Though India, Bangladesh and Peru are blocking this in the WTO Committee, Pakistan believes that if New Delhi withdraws its opposition, the other two countries will come around.

India will urge Pakistan to switch to a sensitive/negative list approach in keeping with the Agreement on South Asian Free Trade Area (SAFTA) signed in Islamabad in 2004. Stating that the SAFTA does not provide for a positive list approach for imports between member countries, Indian High Commissioner in Islamabad Sharat Sabharwal has time and again spoken about the need for Pakistan to give up the positive list approach vis-à-vis India as a result of which only 2,000 items can be imported from India.

As for the Non-Tariff and Para-Tariff Barriers — technical standard certification, standard of quality, labelling, marking, packaging, sanitary and health regulations — in India that Pakistan complaints about, the Indian counter is that these requirements are not specific to Pakistani exports but applicable to all of India's trading partners.

Another issue likely to come up pertains to India's offer to sell power to Pakistan at cheap rates. {Why cheap rates ?} That such an offer had been made by New Delhi was disclosed last week by Mr. Mahmood. At the SAARC summit in Thimphu last year, India proposed the preparation of a road map for developing a SAARC Market for Electricity on a regional basis to facilitate electricity trading.

Bilateral trade between the two countries hovers around $2-billion mark but studies show this to be way below potential. A study conducted by Pakistani economists for the Planning Commission last year said bilateral trade had the potential to grow to $10 billion. More importantly, improved relations between the two largest countries in South Asia would benefit others in the neighbourhood and help the SAARC realise its full trade potential.

[SSridhar]

A peep into the shared history of India & Pakistan

Presenting an interesting mix of anecdotes from uncensored versions of history books, and known facts, Mr. Akbar spoke about landmark events and personalities, some known, many unsung, who contributed to the various historical changes in the sub-continent.

After recounting the narratives of the conquest of Delhi by Nadir Shah, the secular ethos of the Mughal and Ottoman empires, Mr. Akbar referred to attempts made by those like Muslim scholar Sir Sayyid Ahmed Khan and later Aga Khan in pushing for separate electorates. “We could have suffered the same fate as Pakistan had we taken a different trajectory. The idea of India is stronger than the Indian; the idea of Pakistan is weaker than the Pakistani,” he said, adding that religion cannot be an exercise in nationality.

Presenting his perception of the Indian connotation of secularism as being the coexistence of faiths irrespective of numbers, he said India was secular not because just the Muslims wanted it to be, but because the Hindus wanted it. “India is not secular because Gandhi wanted it to be. Gandhi was secular because India is secular,” he added.

Calling Gandhi's secularism inclusive, as opposed to Jinnah's secularism that was exclusive, he spoke about the familiar symbolism and imagery like ‘Ramrajya' that Gandhi used to perpetrate his movement.

“Religion has become religiosity in Pakistan, and the civil society has taken a hammering. Had Salman Taseer been an Indian Muslim, he would have been alive,” he said. The solution, he said, for Pakistan was to go back to the Jinnah before 1936. Jinnah, he said, was “quintessentially secular person, who picked up a thread later, from Sunni theologian Shah Waliullah's theory of distance between the Hindus and Muslims of India.

Of the four great men who were part of the Indian independence movement, two were European minded – Nehru and Jinnah. But stranger is the fact that the other two were deeply religious, Mahatma Gandhi and Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, who never were for the idea of a state based on religion, he said. His new book, he added, was not anti-Pakistan, but anti theocracy. Pakistan, he said was like a jelly that could neither stand up nor disappear. “It is strapped in an illogical idea that faith is a substitute for nationalism.”

Responding to an audience's description of Pakistan as an entirely failed State, he said, “I do not believe that Pakistan is a failed State, for Pakistan's good, and for India's good.”

[shiv]

The rumor is Begum Zia persoanlly used to serve samosas fried by her dainty hands to Unven Cohen to win him over. (Narrated to his own student!)

It was that kind of fawning attention that buys them over. Back in US they have to make their own coffee and eat a week old donut!

The Gora visitor is waited upon hand and foot in Pakistan. Many are taken there as guests of a wealthy family and given the time of their lives.

Many videos of this exist on YouTube but even before Youube I wrote, in my ebook
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf

As recently as June 2002, the Washington Post reported:
It was mid afternoon Tuesday, and Anwar Mahmood,
Pakistan's information secretary, was on the phone
discussing with an underling how to keep more than 100
foreign journalists happy for the rest of the week...if
it keeps the reporters satisfied, he figured, it's worth
the $3,000 it will cost his ministry to rent the plane
from Pakistan International Airlines...The Pakistani
government, eager to make its voice heard, has ordered
foreign embassies to expedite visas for
journalists...Five times in the past month, the
Information Ministry has rented air-conditioned buses to
carry journalists to the Line of Control... There they
are treated to hour-long military briefings, complete
with maps, displays of Indian mortar shells -- and tea
sandwiches served on trays by white-gloved soldiers. You
won't get such hospitality from the Indian army.

Also from the ebook

An article in the American magazine, The Weekly Standard
had this to say in its Nov 5 2001 edition:

..the attractive character of elite Pakistani officials.
Compared with their haughty Indian and chaotic Afghan
neighbors, Pakistani VIPs are often wittier, warmer, and
more knowledgeable about the insider gossip of U.S.
politics. American diplomats and spooks often have a good
deal of fun with their Westernized Pakistani
counterparts. As one congressional staffer, who
frequently visits south-central Asia, succinctly put it,
"I like 'em; the Indians are jerks."

A series of Western writers and prominent people have
been hosted and feted in Pakistan, and have later served
as honorary ambassadors for Pakistan in the Western
media.

One prominent example is the famous American pilot, Chuck
Yeager, who was a guest of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF)
and who later went on to write paeans about the PAF For
many years after the PAF was comprehensively defeated in
successive wars with India, Yeager's words of praise of
the Pakistan Air Force continued to be quoted,
maintaining a reputation for the PAF that extended far
beyond its real performance.

[Anindya]

From SS's post...

Ahead of the meeting of the Commerce Secretaries of India and Pakistan on Wednesday, Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani on Tuesday said Islamabad wanted to move towards comprehensive and broad-ranging engagements with India on the basis of “equality, mutual trust, mutual interest and mutual respect.”

The question is - what will Pakistan give to India? What will Pakistan put on the table? Is this just about the traditional ask-ask-ask mentality of traditional Pakistanis?

Unfortunately, it cannot give up terrorism - even if that were a meaningful thing to put on the table. After all, for the average Pakistani, terrorism is as intrinsic to their culture, as say Holi/Diwali is to ours.

It cannot really put anything manufactured or even basic resources on the table - a country without water, electricity or the people skills to produce anything remotely competitive, can hardly be put anything substantial on the table.

I'm surprised that none of our esteemed columnists have been able to capture this basic issue.

[shiv]

From SS's post...

Islamabad wanted to move towards comprehensive and broad-ranging engagements with India on the basis of “equality, mutual trust, mutual interest and mutual respect.”

Things won;t go very far.

Actually India should say clearly that there can never be any "equality" between Pakitan and india.

Pakistanis assumed superiority and when that did not come they are begging for equality. But here is no equality. Pakistan is the equivalent of a couple of Indian states - sick ones at that. So what's this crap about equality?

But the minute Indians point out this obvious fact Pakistanis sink into Islam and start saying "Indian are Hindus. they do not believe in equality unlike egalitarian Islam. It is Hindu India that fails to see that it cannot be greater than Pakistan and the key to India's greatness is held Pakistan"

The only way of getting past this is in the long term crushing all feelings of superiority or equality by outperforming Pakistan in every field. Oh - and Islam? Pakistan can have their brand of Islam even as Muslims in India outshine Pakis.

As an aside - India's literacy figures have moved from 64% in 2001 to 75% in 2011. That means India now has an extra 110 million literate people who have received an education in the last 10 years. Pakistan's figures have become worse. In these 10 years they only needed to educate 1/6th of the Indian - figure - i,e about 20 million Bakis to keep up with the Indian rate. And they have not done that. What the fuk is this equality that Pakis go on about? Hack thoo.

[sum]

Responding to an audience's description of Pakistan as an entirely failed State, he said, “I do not believe that Pakistan is a failed State, for Pakistan's good, and for India's good.”

Love the way Pakis use threats in every alternate sentence..

[SSridhar]

The question is - what will Pakistan give to India?

More terror ? More obfuscation on the 26/11 masterminds ?

[shiv]

Responding to an audience's description of Pakistan as an entirely failed State, he said, “I do not believe that Pakistan is a failed State, for Pakistan's good, and for India's good.”

Love the way Pakis use threats in every alternate sentence..

A frigging state of paranoids.

Here is a video about rising Pakistan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNeWzSp91N

[Anindya]

Shiv - from your post on Pakistan's literacy figures...

Pakistan's (literacy) figures have become worse

Given what is taught in Pakistani schools (both madrassas and government approved schools) - don't you think that this is better in a way, for not only us, but also the rest of the world?

After all, there's no point in teaching codified hatred at a mass scale in schools; but, then again - in Pakistan - most aspects of society spread the spirit of bigotry and terrorism, quite assiduously.

[abhijitm]

The question is - what will Pakistan give to India? What will Pakistan put on the table? Is this just about the traditional ask-ask-ask mentality of traditional Pakistanis?

In the pure economic terms the indo-pak trade is not at all balanced. It tilts towards India to a large extend, almost 11-3 billion $. Thus India will be the main monetary beneficiary. In return with the help of some imported Indian goods (machinery, chemicals, minerals, cotton etc) pakistan can improve its industry. And then few more products can be imported from pakistan and the trade growth cycle continues.

But the point is not that. I am completely against helping even a paisa to pakistan. Whatever is happening is not in our national interest.

[Prem]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html
U.S. prosecutors indict 4 Pakistanis in Mumbai attacks
The indictment identifies a man known only as Major Iqbal as one of the masterminds, who allegedly directed and funded months of reconnaissance in Mumbai by David Coleman Headley, a mysterious Pakistani American businessman who was once an informant for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. Headley was arrested in October 2009 and is cooperating with U.S. and Indian officials. The indictment describes Iqbal as “a resident of Pakistan who participated in planning and funding attacks by Lashkar.” But as ProPublica has reported in The Washington Post, U.S. and Indian anti-terrorism officials and Indian court documents allege that Iqbal was a serving officer in Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency. He allegedly acted as Headley’s main handler, one of at least three ISI officers suspected of involvement in recruiting, training and directing Headley in terrorist activities, according to U.S. and Indian investigators and Indian court documents. The other significant figure indicted Monday is a longtime Lashkar chief named Sajid Mir, who also is accused of serving as Headley’s handler. Mir remains at large, according to investigators. He allegedly was a key plotter of the Mumbai attacks. His voice was caught on tape directing the slaughter by telephone from a safe house in Pakistan, according to officials and documents.
In 2007, French authorities convicted Mir of terrorism in absentia and accused him of being an officer of the Pakistani military and possibly the ISI. Some Western anti-terrorism officials think Mir spent time in the Pakistani security forces, while others say he was close to the ISI but was not a serving officer.The other two suspects charged Monday are alleged Lashkar chiefs whose voices also were recorded directing the 10 gunmen who carried out the three-day siege in Mumbai. Suspect Abu Qahafa is accused of overseeing the training of the attack team. Suspect Mazhar Iqbal, alias Abu al-Qama, is the only one of the four known to be in custody. Pakistani authorities arrested him in early 2009 and charged him and six others in the Mumbai attacks, but that trial has apparently stalled.All the four suspects were charged Monday with six counts of aiding and abetting the murder of U.S. citizens in India as well as providing material support to terrorists and conspiracy to murder. Mir, Qahafa and Iqbal were also charged with conspiracy to bomb public places in India, and Mir has been charged with directing a plot that involved Headley in Denmark. The four could face the death sentence or life in prison.

[Prem]

India, Pakistan to discuss relaxed visa regime
( Poak sickness invreased with very dose of medicine/ Rogg barta gya ,jyon jyon dawa di)
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/india ... 110426.htm

During the India-Pakistan home secretary-level talks in March, both sides agreed to set up a Joint Working Group to examine the modalities for streamlining the visa procedure/modalities and giving a final shape to the revision of the Bilateral Visa Agreement. "The next meeting will carry forward the whole process," the official said.
India is "positive" about liberalising the visa regime with Pakistan to facilitate greater people-to-people contacts between the two nations. During the talks, a proposal had been put forth to relax norms for issuance of visa to journalists, businessmen, senior citizens and patients travelling for medical treatment.Under the proposal, the visa issued for journalists, businessmen, senior citizens or patients travelling for treatment will not be city specific and visa holders would be allowed to travel across the country, they said. The Indian side had proposed to relax norms for people who have a valid visa and want to travel again within the span of two years by removing time-consuming security background check processes, which are conducted from Delhi [ Images ]. The Indian High Commission in Pakistan will be empowered

[Anindya]

In the pure economic terms the indo-pak trade is not at all balanced. It tilts towards India to a large extend, almost 11-3 billion $. Thus India will be the main monetary beneficiary.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of. Even a $10B revenue stream will create a small but influential constituency within India that will soften Indian resolve on Pakistan - much like, has happened within Bollywood.

On the flip side, we know that Pakistani state strategy is blackmail and returns from terror threats/attacks - so, there will never be any such constituency within Pakistan

[SSridhar]

Pakistan Confronts US Afghan Strategy - M.K.Bhadrakumar
Excerpts

He {Mullen} deliberately upped the ante, holding the ISI directly and primarily responsible for the stalemate in the war; in effect, he challenged the Pakistani military leadership that it would be held accountable for the Taliban's summer offensive.

However, the acrimony is quintessentially an attempt to set the bottom line of the Afghan peace talks. The Pakistani suspicion is that the U.S. is deliberately withholding its long-term Afghanistan strategy, which leaves Islamabad groping in the dark about American intentions.

The fact of the matter is that the U.S. has been holding direct talks with the Taliban. It has been able to do this largely because of the extensive intelligence network it has created in Pakistan — which became possible because Islamabad allowed it to happen. That, ironically, enables Washington to dispense with the good offices of the Pakistani military and the ISI, and opt for direct interaction with the insurgent groups. The U.S. intelligence network within Pakistan has penetrated the range of insurgent groups — the Afghan Taliban, the “Pakistan Taliban,” and non-Taliban (Afghan and Pakistani) militant groups. Evidently, if the drone attacks are becoming more “result-oriented,” it is due to real-time intelligence inputs. During the six weeks of gruelling interrogation of U.S. intelligence operative Raymond Davis, the Pakistani military caught on to a host of home truths. By now, the Pakistani military would have a fair idea of the extent of the American intelligence network and its potential to play merry havoc by splintering insurgent groups, pitting one group against another, manipulating factionalism within groups, monitoring the terror network and, conceivably, even turning some of the insurgent groups into instruments of U.S. regional policies. (Tehran insists that the U.S. is indulging in covert operations in Pakistan and Iran.)

Suffice it to say the Pakistani military leadership wishes to draw a redline for the U.S.' covert operations so that Washington will be compelled to deal with militant Afghan groups through the single window of the ISI — within the parameters set by what old-timers call the “[Ronald] Reagan rules” during the Afghan jihad of the 1980s. There is hardly any leeway for Pakistan to compromise on this demand, which aims at revising the ground rules of the U.S.-Pakistan strategic partnership in the conduct of the Afghan war (based hitherto on unspoken, unwritten, ever-deniable and flexible templates of collaboration).

To be sure, Pakistan is insisting on the need to reset the ground rules as the endgame advances, in order to avoid the horrible prospect of its so-called “strategic assets” in Afghanistan — which it created at enormous cost and sacrifice and at great risk over the past three decades — getting systematically cannibalised by the American intelligence operatives scavenging the Pakistani territories, on one side of the Durand Line, and by the Special Forces under General David Petraeus relentlessly scouring the Hindu Kush, on the other — the famous “hammer and anvil approach.”

Therefore, Pakistan has done the logical thing by reaching out to Afghan President Hamid Karzai in an attempt to form a condominium to kick-start formal reconciliation with the Taliban in a swift sequential process, which would present Washington with a fait accompli. Mr. Karzai is willing to cooperate in this sideshow since he has his own problems with the Obama administration. The Washington establishment is annoyed with Mr. Karzai due to his inability (or unwillingness) to deliver a status of forces agreement that would effectively legitimise long-term American military presence on Afghan soil. On his part, Mr. Karzai expects a pivotal role in any peace process so that he doesn't become politically expendable by 2014, whereas Washington quietly incites the non-Pashtun elements to challenge his zeal for reconciliation with the Taliban. So, it is this congruence of interests between Kabul and Islamabad that manifests as their joint demand that any Afghan peace process should be Afghan-led and not “dictated from outside”.

It suits the U.S. strategy to give the Afghan endgame the exaggerated overtones of an India-Pakistan turf war. The Indian establishment acted wisely to open dialogue with Pakistan in Mohali.

[Prem]

Poakarmy coming out of closet
Pakistan has taken the landmark decision to allow Army to have their own gender category on some official documents. The country's Supreme Court has ruled that those Pakistanis who do not consider themselves to be either male or female should be allowed to choose an alternative sex when they apply for their national identity cards.

[Hari Seldon]

From twitter. TIFWIW

>> @filter_c I think I have seen it all. Nawa-i-waqt is publishing editorials & op-eds about Dr. Ambedkar, liberally misquoting him to suit their agenda.

[abhijitm]

I have my eyes on the Ralph Peters map!

fingers crossed. That would be the best thing happened to everyone...

[CRamS]

Pakistan Confronts US Afghan Strategy - M.K.Bhadrakumar

It suits the U.S. strategy to give the Afghan endgame the exaggerated overtones of an India-Pakistan turf war. The Indian establishment acted wisely to open dialogue with Pakistan in Mohali.

When it comes to India dealing with TSP, this guy looses his brains or cojones or both. Why is it wise for India to kiss up to TSP? And just because India does that, TSP is going to allow India's natural role on Afgnisthan? TSP is going to crack down on LeT? The list goes on.

[shravan]

Navy buses bombed in Karachi, 4 killed

Police believed that Tuesday’s attacks had been conducted by the same outfit that had targeted Ghaas Mandi Rummy Club.

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Ghass Mandi Club was attacked by Al-Mukhtar group, its a splinter group of defunct Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.

[SSridhar]

When it comes to India dealing with TSP, this guy looses his brains or cojones or both. Why is it wise for India to kiss up to TSP? And just because India does that, TSP is going to allow India's natural role on Afgnisthan? TSP is going to crack down on LeT? The list goes on.

CRS, MKB loses his equanimity when he deals with the US. We should discard his obvious biases. I was pleasantly surprised that he did not criticize the US for what he has described extensively about its activities within Pakistan. Except for the last sentence on India, his whole article otherwise was a very good analysis, I thought

[Altair]

As Gen Paddy said a long time back, "you light one on us, we vaporize you". Nothing changed for India since then, except how pakis light it.

The ones that will be deterred most by NASR are NATO ground troops, who at some point decide to mount a big operation against Pak. I mean if they get hit by a TNW, what will they do? Light up a Trident? The Paki-west escalation path is not clear to the world and they need to sort this out amongst themselves.

Unfortunately, India cannot afford this brinkmanship game. India does not have the mollah of US and India does not share the utter disdain for humanity inherent in Pakistan. We must make sure we are not caught up in this game we cannot afford to play. Cold Start is a great strategic victory for us in this regard. It has negated any and all effort of brinkmanship game which Unkil might force upon us.
Pakis are forced to play this game with US which Unkil can afford to play. They can play as long as the next big terrorist attack on US mainland. I am just waiting till it hits the G-spot and the Pakistan goes into an orgasm..

[Anujan]

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg7_3

Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik held on Tuesday that attempts to defame the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) internationally have always failed. “The ISI is never been involved in politics. It has served the country and nation tremendously,”

[arun]

The United States of America’s “Major Non Nato Ally”, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan sticks a knife in America’s back.

The Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan Yousuf Raza Gilani is reported by the Wall Street Journal as having lobbied Afghan President Hamid karzai “against building a long-term strategic partnership with the U.S., urging him instead to look to Pakistan—and its Chinese ally—for help in striking a peace deal with the Taliban and rebuilding the economy”:

APRIL 27, 2011

Karzai Told to Dump U.S.

Pakistan Urges Afghanistan to Ally With Islamabad, Beijing

By MATTHEW ROSENBERG

Pakistan is lobbying Afghanistan's president against building a long-term strategic partnership with the U.S., urging him instead to look to Pakistan—and its Chinese ally—for help in striking a peace deal with the Taliban and rebuilding the economy, Afghan officials say.

The pitch was made at an April 16 meeting in Kabul by Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, who bluntly told Afghan President Hamid Karzai that the Americans had failed them both, according to Afghans familiar with the meeting. Mr. Karzai should forget about allowing a long-term U.S. military presence in his country, Mr. Gilani said, according to the Afghans. Pakistan's bid to cut the U.S. out of Afghanistan's future is the clearest sign to date that, as the nearly 10-year war's endgame begins, tensions between Washington and Islamabad threaten to scuttle America's prospects of ending the conflict on its own terms. ……………………

Mr. Karzai is wavering on Pakistan's overtures, according to Afghans familiar with his thinking, with pro- and anti-American factions at the presidential palace trying to sway him to their sides. …………………….

Wall Street Journal

[SSridhar]

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg7_3

Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik held on Tuesday that attempts to defame the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) internationally have always failed. “The ISI is never been involved in politics."

Just a sample, for those who might have forgotten like Mr. Rehman Malik.

On June 11, 1996 Benazir’s Interior Minister Naseerullah Babar announced on the floor of the National Assembly that the former COAS Aslam Beg had in 1990 during the run up to the elections withdrawn Rs 140 million from Mehran Bank, handed it over to ISI chief and asked him to suitably disburse the amount to a selection of anti-PPP politicians and thus rig the elections in favour of the ISI tailored IJI led by Nawaz Sharif. “The operation not only had the blessing of President Ghulam Ishaque Khan and the whole hearted participation of the caretaker Prime Minister Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi but was also in the knowledge of the army High Command,” said the former ISI chief.

The involvement of the powerful ISI in toppling the Benazir-led PPP by distributing Rs. 140 Million was dramatically portrayed in a writ petition in the Supreme Court by Air Marshal Asghar Khan. Air Marshal Asghar Khan brought this suit against the former Army Chief Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg (retd), ex-ISI chief Lt Gen Asad Durrani (retd) and ex-chief of Mehran Bank Younis Habib. The then Chief of the ISI, Lt. Gen. Asad Durrani, accepted on August 17, 2008 his role in disbursing money to prevent the PPP from coming back to power. Former Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) director general Lt Gen (r) Asad Durani admitted to Dawn News on August 17, 2008 of being personally involved in disbursing funds to political opponents of the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) in 1990

It is also widely believed that the then President (Ghulam Ishaq Khan) and the COAS (Chief-of-Army-Staff) Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg also played a close role in that episode. Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg, in turn, accused ex president Ghulam Ishaq Khan of ordering him to disburse the money. Gen. Aslam Beg, under oath, revealed in the court the existence of a political cell within the ISI, whilst strangely clarifying that though he was aware of the distribution of funds he was never personally involved.

The then head of the political wing of the ISI, Maj-Gen. Ehtesam Zamir, has openly acknowledged the directives he received directly from Musharraf on the 2002 poll manipulation and how he did that. Talking to The News, the head of the ISI’s political cell in 2002, admitted manipulating the last elections at the behest of President Musharraf. He said the country would not have faced such regression had the political management was not carried out by the ISI in 2002. Maj-Gen (retd) Ehtesham Zamir termed the 2008 elections ‘fairer than 2002’. He said the reason behind their fairness is that there was relatively less interference of intelligence agencies this time as compared to the last time. But he stopped short of saying that there was zero interference in the 2008 polls. He also said, "But I am of the view that the ISI’s political cell should be closed for good by revoking executive orders issued in 1975"

[SSridhar]

Karzai Told to Dump U.S.
Pakistan Urges Afghanistan to Ally With Islamabad, Beijing

Pakistan is lobbying Afghanistan's president against building a long-term strategic partnership with the U.S., urging him instead to look to Pakistan—and its Chinese ally—

Gilani, who bluntly told Afghan President Hamid Karzai that the Americans had failed them both,

Ties in with the MK Bhadrakumar Op-Ed posted earlier.

[Anujan]

Petraeus is rumored to be in the running for CIA chief when he retires in July.

[Nandu]

Responding to an audience's description of Pakistan as an entirely failed State, he said, “I do not believe that Pakistan is a failed State, for Pakistan's good, and for India's good.”

Love the way Pakis use threats in every alternate sentence..

Who is the Paki you are referring to in this instance?

[Sri]

APRIL 27, 2011

Karzai Told to Dump U.S.

Wall Street Journal

Man the Pakis have some major Balls to do this. They have convinced themsleves that US has not strategic option left. Hope karzai knows better.

This is a major look out India moment.

[jimmyray]

Al-Qaida assassin 'worked for MI6'

An al-Qaida operative accused of bombing two Christian churches and a luxury hotel in Pakistan in 2002 was at the same time working for British intelligence, according to secret files on detainees who were shipped to the US military's Guantánamo Bay prison camp

Another double agent working for 'Firangs'

[Lalmohan]

increasingly it becomes clear that pakistan is the cold war battleground between the eagle and the dragon
either way, our khushboo will get torn to shreds with the talons and bbq'ed with the fiery breath
doner kebab time

[jrjrao]

Breaking at MSNBC:

CIA director Panetta to take over Pentagon; Petraeus to be nominated for CIA - AP

This will cause some more khujli to the Pakis, seeing how they have disliked Petraeus previously.

Of course, these days, pretty much everything under the sun, including the rising sun, causes the Pakis khujlis.

[jrjrao]

After the WSJ report today about Groper-e-Fondler Gilani urging Karzai last week to dump the US, here is a prediction that you can take 400% onlee to the bank:

Groper is now the newest popular herrow of the Pakis, and will surely win an early snap election were the PPP to call for one.

It will be interesting to see how, later this summer, the IMF reacts to Groper trying to grope Karzai.

[jrjrao]

Money from Unkil (and the IMF) has been a little slow in coming. And the situation in the land of the pure has become grim:

Power crisis paralyses life

As summer sets in and temperatures rose within the realm of 40 centigrade plus across Pakistan, power shortage, undoubtedly the worst in the country’s history, has broken all past records taking a heavy toll of socio-economic life...

...(leading to) long hours of power suspension that now span around 10 to 12 hours in cities and 18 to 20 hours in rural areas.

It is time now for the Pakis to summon all their friendly djinns who doubtless have the ability to grab Hafez Saeed and the fat Masood Azar off the streets, and convert them instantly into electric juice for the Paki grid.

[anupmisra]

Shiv - from your post on Pakistan's literacy figures...

Pakistan's (literacy) figures have become worse

Given what is taught in Pakistani schools (both madrassas and government approved schools).

State of Paki Educational Standards

[anupmisra]

State of pakjabi "Iskoools"

[Shankas]

APRIL 27, 2011

Karzai Told to Dump U.S.

Wall Street Journal

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Man the Pakis have some major Balls to do this. They have convinced themsleves that US has not strategic option left. Hope karzai knows better.

This is a major look out India moment.[/quote]

I think it is a major look at India moment for Afganistan and US

[shiv]

Pakistan's (literacy) figures have become worse

Given what is taught in Pakistani schools (both madrassas and government approved schools) - don't you think that this is better in a way, for not only us, but also the rest of the world?

After all, there's no point in teaching codified hatred at a mass scale in schools; but, then again - in Pakistan - most aspects of society spread the spirit of bigotry and terrorism, quite assiduously.

Oh absolutely and I have made exactly the same point in that ebook.

But clearly asking fro any sort of equivalence between India and Pakistan is an idea that needs to be thrown into the bin. Complete rubbish. Pakistan is a paranoid pipsqueak nation that is punching above its weight and needs to be allowed to collapse gently into itself if possible without giving Pakistanis any room for claiming that they represent anything more than a failed or failing state that needs serious restructuring.

Pakistani propaganda about their own greatness and importance has been swallowed wholesale by the US which is gradually coming out of that delusion. The biggest bunch of deluded people are Pakis who need to be shown reality. Pakistan is arguably the most important unimportant nation on earth.

[RajeshA]

Pakistan is arguably the most important unimportant nation on earth.

Great Truth! For Keepers!

[Aditya_V]

Pakistan is arguably the most important unimportant nation on earth.

Great Truth! For Keepers!

Basically a Bunch of Cancer cells in the Body and we know how many cancers are cured Dont we.