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Something I said in October 2010.
True. TSP will be forced to give up something to stop further hits on taleb or haqqani faction. Will giving up OBL and Ayman be enough for US objectivs in afghanistan to be achieved?
Will it enable a pull out?
18th Oct:
Anyone noticing how Debka's assessment of Af-pak is coming true? They are building up a public case for strikes into TSP. CNN confirms OBL in TSP under ISI protection, something that is well known in afghan theatre. They are also saying pressur is on TSP. Bob Woodward's release was just the start.
Go back revisit the Af-Pak thread.

I think they knew exactly where he was but Pak was probably moving him about and refused handover. So US during Sept/Nov period moves mil assets to the border, conducts strikes close to TSP border. ISI gets scared and there is some sort of deal. During Jan to March, Middle east spring starts. Concentration removed. Meanwhile TSp-US relations breakdown further over Davis affair. OBL sighted over last few months making peace with afghan peacelords.

So now ISI has plausible deniablity - they can tell their lower peers "hey america found out". Otherwise Pak would have loved to conduct the operation and claim the glory and say we are strong partner in counter terror. But sounds like ISI had a lot to lose or something like that.

Whats the deal with being buried in the sea.
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From here
Obama provided few details of the operation beyond to say that he had personally ordered it be carried out. Other officials said it was so secretive that no foreign officials were informed in advance, and only a small circle inside the administration was aware of what was unfolding half a world away.

But within hours of the announcement, Pakistani officials and a witness said bin Laden's guards had opened fire from the roof of the building, and one of the choppers crashed. The sound of at least two explosions rocked the small northwestern town of Abbottabad, where the al-Qaida chief made his last stand.

Flames were visible after the attack on the building, which was located about 100 yards from the gates of a Pakistani military academy — certain to raise questions about al-Qaida's ability to build a custom-made hideout in such close proximity.

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Halfway around the world, in Abbotabad, one witness described a military raid carried out under darkness.
"I heard a thundering sound, followed by heavy firing. Then firing suddenly stopped. Then more thundering, then a big blast," said Mohammad Haroon Rasheed. "In the morning when we went out to see what happened, some helicopter wreckage was lying in an open field."

A Pakistani official in the town said fighters on the roof opened fire on the choppers with rocket-propelled grenades. Another official said the four helicopters took off from the Ghazi air base in northwest Pakistan.

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Senior administration officials said the terrorist mastermind was found inside a custom-built compound with two security gates. They said it appeared to have been constructed to harbor one high-value target and that for undisclosed reasons, officials believed the hideout was bin Laden's.

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Unless USA shows live footage of Osama's dead body he cant be considered dead.Even court ask for dead body to be declare man as dead in a murder trial.Otherwise its gonna give birth to all sorts of CTs-like osama being alive in usa custody etc etc.
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wikimapia is showing this as the OBL hideout ...

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=34.1751069&lo ... =0&m=b&v=8

It's NE of bilal town/hashmi colony - thanda choha - where the rat went cold :-)

gagan ji: can you post the google map link or wikimapia one of your opinion of where the mansion stands (basically lang/lat) for those of us who don't have google earth. thanks.
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What strikes me as odd is the fact that the DNA test was finished in a matter of hours. AFAIK the least time it took for testing was 4-5 days, this was for crime and forensic purposes. DNA testing for reasons of paternity verification take atleast 2-3 weeks.

What am I missing here?
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This is theMansion OBL was living in or hiding in

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NY Times:
Even after the president signed the formal orders authorizing the raid, Mr. Obama chose to keep Pakistan’s government in the dark about the operation.

“We shared our intelligence on this compound with no other country, including Pakistan,” a senior administration official said.
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^^^ saurav: that's a Girls' college. Crosscheck at wikimapia.
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shyamd wrote: Whats the deal with being buried in the sea.
Very chankian method of not provoking sentiments of worldwide muslims (by carrying out burial and not cremation) as well as denying a shrine, or giving title of martyr to OBL.
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man he had atleast 6 wives and fathered anywhere between 25-30 children bahut aish kiya hoga
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I think they knew exactly where he was but Pak was probably moving him about and refused handover. So US during Sept/Nov period moves mil assets to the border, conducts strikes close to TSP border. ISI gets scared and there is some sort of deal. During Jan to March, Middle east spring starts. Concentration removed. Meanwhile TSp-US relations breakdown further over Davis affair. OBL sighted over last few months making peace with afghan peacelords.

So now ISI has plausible deniablity - they can tell their lower peers "hey america found out". Otherwise Pak would have loved to conduct the operation and claim the glory and say we are strong partner in counter terror. But sounds like ISI had a lot to lose or something like that.
ShyamD saar,

What do you predict will happen now with Pak, US and Af-Pak? Is this lose-lose for Pak with Osama and Isloo and Mansion coming in same sentence worldwide?
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Klaus wrote:What strikes me as odd is the fact that the DNA test was finished in a matter of hours. AFAIK the least time it took for testing was 4-5 days, this was for crime and forensic purposes. DNA testing for reasons of paternity verification take atleast 2-3 weeks.

What am I missing here?
U.S. tests bin Laden's DNA, used facial ID - official
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is conducting DNA testing on slain al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and used facial recognition techniques to help identify him, a U.S. official said on Monday.

Bin Laden was identified by the assault force that killed him in a firefight in Pakistan in which he resisted and was shot in the head, the official said on condition of anonymity.
Footage from a video obtained by Reuters shows a man identified as Osama bin Laden speaking into a camera. The source who provided the video to Reuters and a British Sunday newspaper said the pictures were filmed in March 2002. (REUTERS/Reuters TV/Files)

Results of the DNA tests should be available in the next few days, the official told Reuters.

The strike force was on the ground for less than 40 minutes and the operation was watched real-time by CIA Director Leon Panetta and other intelligence officials in a conference room at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, the official said.

"When word came in that the operation was a success, CIA officials in the conference room had a rather large applause," the official said.
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A little tidbit. Ashphuck attended a passing out Parade at PMA Kakul on April 23 and made the famous "The back of militants are broken" speech.
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Hakeem Shiv's PDF makes it to the breaking news section of Free Republic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2713485/posts
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Apologies if already posted. Picture of dead OBL.

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How can you guys tolerate Pakis on NDTV? :evil:
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One angle that must be explored is if OBL was in fact under house arrest (like Xerox Khan) in the compound and guarded by the Pakis. This could be the reason why he was in such a big, fortified house right next to the base.
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Mr. Obama said Pakistan had helped develop the intelligence that led to Bin Laden, but an American official said the Pakistani government was not informed about the strike in advance. “We shared our intelligence on this compound with no other country, including Pakistan,” the official said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world ... anted=2&hp


this sums it all
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ManishH wrote:wikimapia is showing this as the OBL hideout ...

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=34.1751069&lo ... =0&m=b&v=8

It's NE of bilal town/hashmi colony - thanda choha - where the rat went cold :-)

gagan ji: can you post the google map link or wikimapia one of your opinion of where the mansion stands (basically lang/lat) for those of us who don't have google earth. thanks.
Manish H,
This place might be it!
1. Because this is more like in the approximate location where I think the house is.
2. Only one thing I would like to say: This image is dated June 15 2005. OBL's house was built over the last 5-6 years. So that house should be just about be starting construction. In that case, we have to wait until google updates its image of that area to make a 100% ID.

But this might be the place.
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The one thing that worries me, is that a few days ago Al-Quaida (i.e ISI) issued a warning of firestorms if Osama is killed, I know it is a bit farfetched but will pakis do something stupid now?
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I really find it difficult to believe that they would have killed off Osama bin Laden! He is a treasure trove of intelligence information! That man knew more about Islamic terrorism than anybody else! Secondly there is talk that his son too was killed! He could prove to be the biggest bait to get that intelligence information out of OBL!

I would hope that they got OBL alive, and his son too! Now they can pump as much information out of him as they want! Using all forms of Jack Bauer tactics! And they can use his son as extra leverage!

Declaring OBL to be dead is just common sense!
  1. It provides closure to the American mission.
  2. The American people and the people world over can celebrate.
  3. OBL is assured of his reelection.
  4. No hostage taking or terror blackmailing to get OBL freed.
  5. No need for some drawn out judicial process.
  6. No need for a media circus around OBL.
  7. No court case giving OBL a new platform for preaching!
  8. It is now up to the Americans how to plan the Afghanistan mission from now on. They are not prisoners of the stated goals of their mission anymore.
Also there was an overly hasty claimed disposal of OBL's body in a sea grave! One would assume they would have kept the body for several forensic tests, for photos, etc. For ways to prove to the people, that they have indeed killed Osama bin Laden.

Now it is not just the common public that would want to have some visual proof of OBL's death, but the bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia, the Sauds too would want to see the body to make sure that they don't need to fear anymore of OBL bringing them down. Even in the American security establishment there would have been many people eager to see the body with their own eyes. Instead the American forces just threw the body over into the sea - a body they were so long in hunting! In fact, there would be countless conspiracy theories, which will proclaim that OBL is alive and still living with Al Qaida, safe and sound!

Even Republicans could start some rumors that BHO did not really kill OBL, and all this was a big PR. So OBL would have wanted to keep the body for posterity! But still he decided to get rid of the body by throwing it into the sea! That is BS!

Of course it helps to claim that bin Laden's body was disposed of at sea, with all the due Muslim traditions, blah blah! That helps to prevent somebody erecting some shrine in his name at some spot on land, and creating a new generation of OBL worshipers!

But would Barack Obama really take that chance that his detractors, even in American politics, could insinuate
that it is a conspiracy and Obama is claiming OBL's death only to win reelection. He needs the body to tell at least some high-ranking Republicans, that OBL is dead, and they should not use that as a tactic, for otherwise he would have to publicly come out and say that they have had the body the whole time, and that would be against American national interests, and the Republicans would face the music for forcing him to do that! So the body is safe in US custody!

Now if the Americans are lying about the sea burial of OBL's body, can't it also be that they are also lying about OBL's death?

Sure they can put out any number of doctored photos to show that he is dead! Perhaps having him in person in their captivity helps to get his photos and doctoring them. Secondly Al Qaida and associates do not have access to OBL to prove otherwise - that he is living!

So as far as I am concerned, OBL's body is very much still in the custody of America. There is also a good chance that he is alive and getting kicked by Americans somewhere in the world!

The Americans can also claim they found video tapes from the compound, which show Osama bin Laden and his son having an orgy with goats, to further discredit him and his ideology! The tapes they can make now as many as they want with OBL in their custody, if he is still alive, that is!
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From the tidbits of information so far, it appears that the (Pakistani?) helicopter was destroyed wantonly to bits, the compound was burnt down and perhaps bulldozed to the ground and now Osama has been buried at sea. The only photograph of his dead body has been reported to be fake.

What's going on?
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ManishH,
I don't have the Exact Location.
I would prefer to wait until google earth updates its image.

But here goes:
I have added an approximate location on google earth for people to download and see.

Download KMZ file
BBS Keyhole page link: Link 1
Link 2
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ShyamD saar, how does this tie in with the developments in West Asia, specifically TSPA's 2 division deployment to GCC? Do you think that unkil is leaving eye-ran to be taken care of by GCC (specifically KSA), in exchange for KSA keeping quiet (KSA hushing up bin-Laden family) and asking no questions about OBL's death/burial?
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Problem with outright fabrication is, you can never fabricate something like this if its so easily proven wrong. If Osama is alive right now, he can demolish US H&D by simply putting up a current video, and Al Qaeda will also trash this story ASAP. In making such a public announcement American administration must be 100, nay 400% sure that this is not going to backfire.

Thus, there are only three real possibilities.

1) Osama was killed just as they say.
2) Osama was captured and is in secret detention; cover story was put out about quick disposal in order to avoid massive retaliation attacks aimed at freeing the "martyr".
3) Osama died long ago in random battle, and proof of this has just come to light. Problem again with this is that it requires Qaeda to participate in the charade.

In truth, the CTs only work if you believe in the absolute broadest CTs like Qaeda is an arm of CIA only and Osama doesn't really exist. But in that case, why do you care? You already know everything.
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The logical thing that will happen is Pakistan will find itself between a rock and a hard place.

Unkil will be asking questions about how OBL was partying in a garrison town for so many months? Lame excuses will be trotted out like : he came here for medical tratment? or omg we never saw him :(( Who me? I don't know, I don't live here!

Local OBL fans will be exploding themselves all over Pak. And maybe all over where they live.

Pakis threat perception of which of the above is more dangerous to them will be unfolded in their reaction in days to come.

But then am I being too logical?

Am sure that the seals would have picked up a lot of intel stuff lying around. But on the other hand, are OBL and his son really dead? Or in Unkils hands? Conspiracy theory :rotfl:
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In any case, the story is not finished yet. Maybe some additional pictures or whatever will come to light, along with DNA evidence.
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Bin Laden’s Death Likely to Deepen Suspicions of Pakistan

From NYT
The killing of Osama bin Laden deep inside Pakistan in an American operation, almost in plain sight in a medium-sized city that hosts numerous Pakistani forces, seems certain to further inflame tensions between the United States and Pakistan and raise significant questions about whether elements of the Pakistani spy agency knew the whereabouts of the leader of Al Qaeda.

The presence of Bin Laden in Pakistan, something Pakistani officials have long dismissed, goes to the heart of the lack of trust Washington has felt over the last 10 years with its contentious ally, the Pakistani military and its powerful spy partner, the Inter-Services Intelligence.

With Bin Laden’s death, perhaps the central reason for an alliance forged on the ashes of 9/11 has been removed, at a moment when relations between the countries are already at one of their lowest points as their strategic interests diverge over the shape of a post-war Afghanistan.

For nearly a decade, the United States has paid Pakistan more than $1 billion a year for counterterrorism operations whose chief aim was the killing or capture of Bin Laden, who slipped across the border from Afghanistan after the American invasion.

The circumstance of Bin Laden’s death may not only jeopardize that aid, but will also no doubt deepen suspicions that Pakistan has played a double game, and perhaps even knowingly harbored the Qaeda leader.

Bin Laden was not killed in the remote and relatively lawless tribal regions, where the United States has run a campaign of drone attacks aimed at Qaeda militants, where he was long rumored to have taken refuge, and where the reach of the Pakistani government is limited.

Rather, he was killed in Abbottabad, a city of about 500,000, in a large and highly secured compound that, a resident of the city said, sits virtually adjacent to the grounds of a military academy. In an ironic twist, the academy was visited just last month by the Pakistani military chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, where he proclaimed that Pakistan had “cracked” the forces of terrorism, :rotfl: an assessment that was greeted with skepticism in Washington.

In addition, the city hosts numerous Pakistani forces — three different regiments, and a unit of the Army Medical Corps. According to some reports, the compound and its elaborate walls and security gates may have been built specifically for the Qaeda leader in 2005, hardly an obscure undertaking in a part of the city that the resident described as highly secure.

A Qaeda operative, Umar Patek, an Indonesian involved in the Bali bombings in 2002, was captured in a house in Abbottabad in February where he was protected by a Qaeda courier, who worked as a clerk at the city post office.

Almost instantly, the death of Bin Laden in such a place in Pakistan led to fresh recriminations from its neighbors.

“The fundamental challenge is how does the West treat Pakistan from now on?” said Amrullah Saleh :D , the former intelligence director for Afghanistan and a fierce foe of Pakistan.

Still, it was too soon to say :evil: whether Bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad reflected Pakistani complicity or incompetence.

The capture in Pakistan of other top Qaeda operatives, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah, in the years immediately after 9/11 make it clear that Pakistan, a large country with a population relatively sympathetic to Al Qaeda, is easy to hide in, despite Pakistani denials. But those high-profile joint operations have declined in the last few years.

At the very least, Bin Laden’s death in Pakistan now will be highly embarrassing to the country’s military and intelligence establishment.

After the killing of Bin Laden became public in Pakistan, an ISI official confirmed his death but then insisted, contrary to President Obama’s statement, that he was killed in a joint United States-Pakistani operation, apparently an effort to show that Pakistan knew about the operation in advance.

On Monday, General Kayani, President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan, and the ISI chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha, met in Islamabad but had not issued any statement more than six hours after President Obama’s announcement of Bin Laden’s death.

General Kayani appears to be less enthusiastic about the alliance with the United States because he is under pressure from his senior generals, according to Pakistani officials who keep in touch with the military. About half of the 11 corps commanders, the generals who make up the senior command, have questioned the wisdom of the alliance, according the officials. Some of the younger mid-ranking officers — majors and captains — seem to have more sympathy for the militants than for the idea of fighting them, they said.

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Bin Laden was an irritant, too, now removed. American officials have speculated over the last few years whether some Pakistani officials in the spy agency knew the whereabouts of Bin Laden. When asked, many Pakistani ISI officials nearly always gave the same answer: Bin Laden was dead, or they insisted, they did not know where he was :rotfl: .
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The thing is that in order to sell the sea burial of Osama bin Laden, so that nobody pursues the OBL case with US Gov anymore, the thing is one needs to first claim that OBL is DEAD. Without DEATH of OBL, there can be no SEA BURIAL! So basically OBL had to be declared dead, regardless of whether he really died or was simply taken into custody!

The haste with Sea Burial makes me doubt whether the Death too is a concoction!
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X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

A pretty detailed “Official” US account of the execution of Islamic Terrorist Osama Bin laden in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan albeit attributed to some 4 different and anonymous “Senior Administration Official”.

On thing is clear though, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan was not trusted enough by the US to be given prior intimation of the helicopter raid. One of the “Senior Administration Official “ is quoted as saying “We shared our intelligence on this bin Laden compound with no other country, including Pakistan”.

And a second thing is that Osama Bin Laden finding luxurious refuge in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has not gone unnoticed by the US. In the Q& A session a Senior Administration official says “We are very concerned about -- that he was inside of Pakistan”.

A question.

What to make of the flip flop about the US helicopter coming down with mechanical failure. One Senior Administration Official says in the briefing that it did come down due to mechanical failure while Q&A session a Senior Administration Official denies that it was said that mechanical failure brought down the helicopter? :
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
May 02, 2011

Press Briefing by Senior Administration Officials on the Killing of Osama bin Laden

Via Conference Call

12:03 A.M. EDT

MR. VIETOR: Thank you, everyone, for joining us, especially so late. We wanted to get you on the line quickly with some senior administration officials to talk about the operation today regarding Osama bin Laden. And with that I’ll turn it over to our first senior administration official.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Thanks for joining us, everybody, at this late hour. It’s much appreciated. From the outset of the administration, the President has placed the highest priority in protecting the nation from the threat of terrorism. In line with this, we have pursued an intensified, targeted, and global effort to degrade and defeat al Qaeda. Included in this effort has been a relentless set of steps that we’ve taken to locate and bring Osama bin Laden to justice. Indeed, in the earliest days of the administration, the President formally instructed the intelligence community and his counterterrorism advisors to make the pursuit of Osama bin Laden, as the leader of al Qaeda, as a top priority.

In the beginning of September of last year, the CIA began to work with the President on a set of assessments that led it to believe that in fact it was possible that Osama bin Laden may be located at a compound in Pakistan. By mid-February, through a series of intensive meetings at the White House and with the President, we had determined there was a sound intelligence basis for pursuing this in an aggressive way and developing courses of action to pursue Osama bin Laden at this location.

In the middle of March, the President began a series of National Security Council meetings that he chaired to pursue again the intelligence basis and to develop courses of action to bring justice to Osama bin Laden. Indeed, by my count, the President chaired no fewer than five National Security Council meetings on the topic from the middle of March -- March 14th, March 29th, April 12th, April 19th, and April 28th. And the President gave the final order to pursue the operation that he announced to the nation tonight on the morning -- Friday morning of April 29th.

The President mentioned tonight that the pursuit of Osama bin Laden and the defeat of al Qaeda has been a bipartisan exercise in this nation since September 11, 2001, and indeed, this evening before he spoke to the nation, President Obama did speak to President Bush 43 and President Clinton this evening to review with them the events of today and to preview his statement to the nation tonight.

And with that, I’ll turn it over to my colleague to go through some of the details. Thank you.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As you heard, the President ordered a raid earlier today against an al Qaeda compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. Based on intelligence collection analysis, a small U.S. team found Osama bin Laden living in a large home on a secured compound in an affluent suburb of Islamabad. The raid occurred in the early morning hours in Pakistan and accomplished its objective. Osama bin Laden is now no longer a threat to America.

This remarkable achievement could not have happened without persistent effort and careful planning over many years. Our national security professionals did a superb job. They deserve tremendous credit for serving justice to Osama bin Laden.

Bin Laden was a sworn enemy of the United States and a danger to all humanity; a man who called for the murder of any American anywhere on Earth. His death is central to the President’s goal of disrupting, dismantling, and ultimately defeating al Qaeda and its violent allies. He was responsible for killing thousands of innocent men and women not only on 9/11, but in the 1998 East Africa embassy bombing, the attack of the USS Cole, and many other acts of brutality.

He was the leader of a violent extremist movement with affiliates across the globe that had taken up arms against the United States and its allies. Bin Laden’s most influential role has been to designate the United States as al Qaeda’s primary target and to maintain organizational focus on that objective. This strategic objective, which was first made in a 1996 declaration of jihad against Americans, was the cornerstone of bin Laden’s message.

Since 9/11, multiple agencies within our intelligence community have worked tirelessly to track down bin Laden, knowing that his removal from al Qaeda would strike a crippling blow to the organization and its militant allies. And last September the President was made aware of a compound in Abbottabad, where a key al Qaeda facilitator appeared to be harboring a high-value target. He received regular intelligence updates, as was just mentioned, on the compound in September, and he directed that action be taken as soon as he concluded that the intelligence case was sufficiently strong. A range of options for achieving the mission were developed, and on Friday he authorized the operation.

Now I’ll turn it to my colleagues to go through the intelligence.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Thank you. First I want to point out that today’s success was a team effort. It was a model of really seamless collaboration across our government. Since 9/11, this is what the American people have expected of us, and today, in this critical operation, we were able to finally deliver.

The operation itself was the culmination of years of careful and highly advanced intelligence work. Officers from the CIA, the NGA, the NSA all worked very hard as a team to analyze and pinpoint this compound. Together they applied their very unique expertise and capabilities to America’s most vexing intelligence problem, where to find bin Laden.

When the case had been made that this was a critical target, we began to prepare this mission in conjunction with the U.S. military. In the end, it was the matchless skill and courage of these Americans that secured this triumph for our country and the world. I’m very proud of the entire team that worked on this operation, and am very thankful to the President for the courage that he displayed in making the decision to proceed with this operation.

With that, let me turn to my colleague to give you details on the intelligence background.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Thank you. The bottom line of our collection and our analysis was that we had high confidence that the compound harbored a high-value terrorist target. The experts who worked this issue for years assessed that there was a strong probability that the terrorist that was hiding there was Osama bin Laden.

What I’d like to do is walk you through the key points in that intelligence trail that led us to that conclusion. From the time that we first recognized bin Laden as a threat, the CIA gathered leads on individuals in bin Laden’s inner circle, including his personal couriers. Detainees in the post-9/11 period flagged for us individuals who may have been providing direct support to bin Laden and his deputy, Zawahiri, after their escape from Afghanistan.

One courier in particular had our constant attention. Detainees gave us his nom de guerre or his nickname and identified him as both a protégé of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of September 11th, and a trusted assistant of Abu Faraj al-Libbi, the former number three of al Qaeda who was captured in 2005.

Detainees also identified this man as one of the few al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden. They indicated he might be living with and protecting bin Laden. But for years, we were unable to identify his true name or his location.

Four years ago, we uncovered his identity, and for operational reasons, I can’t go into details about his name or how we identified him, but about two years ago, after months of persistent effort, we identified areas in Pakistan where the courier and his brother operated. Still we were unable to pinpoint exactly where they lived, due to extensive operational security on their part. The fact that they were being so careful reinforced our belief that we were on the right track.

Then in August 2010, we found their residence, a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, a town about 35 miles north of Islamabad. The area is relatively affluent, with lots of retired military. It’s also insolated from the natural disasters and terrorist attacks that have afflicted other parts of Pakistan. When we saw the compound where the brothers lived, we were shocked by what we saw -- an extraordinarily unique compound. The compound sits on a large plot of land in an area that was relatively secluded when it was built. It is roughly eight times larger than the other homes in the area.

When the compound was built in 2005, it was on the outskirts of the town center, at the end of a narrow dirt road. In the last six years, some residential homes have been built nearby. The physical security measures of the compound are extraordinary. It has 12- to 18-foot walls topped with barbed wire. Internal wall sections -- internal walls sectioned off different portions of the compound to provide extra privacy. Access to the compound is restricted by two security gates, and the residents of the compound burn their trash, unlike their neighbors, who put the trash out for collection.

The main structure, a three-story building, has few windows facing the outside of the compound. A terrace on the third floor has a seven-foot wall privacy -- has a seven-foot privacy wall.

It’s also noteworthy that the property is valued at approximately $1 million but has no telephone or Internet service connected to it. The brothers had no explainable source of wealth.

Intelligence analysts concluded that this compound was custom built to hide someone of significance. We soon learned that more people were living at the compound than the two brothers and their families. A third family lived there -- one whose size and whose makeup matched the bin Laden family members that we believed most likely to be with Osama bin Laden. Our best assessment, based on a large body of reporting from multiple sources, was that bin Laden was living there with several family members, including his youngest wife.

Everything we saw -- the extremely elaborate operational security, the brothers’ background and their behavior, and the location and the design of the compound itself was perfectly consistent with what our experts expected bin Laden’s hideout to look like. Keep in mind that two of bin Laden’s gatekeepers, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Faraj al-Libbi, were arrested in the settled areas of Pakistan.

Our analysts looked at this from every angle, considering carefully who other than bin Laden could be at the compound. We conducted red team exercises and other forms of alternative analysis to check our work. No other candidate fit the bill as well as bin Laden did.

So the final conclusion, from an intelligence standpoint, was twofold. We had high confidence that a high-value target was being harbored by the brothers on the compound, and we assessed that there was a strong probability that that person was Osama bin Laden.

Now let me turn it over to my colleague.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Thank you. Earlier this afternoon, a small U.S. team conducted a helicopter raid on the compound. Considerable planning helped prepare our operators for this very complex mission. Senior officials have been involved in the decision-making and planning for this operation for months, and briefed the President regularly. My colleague has already mentioned the unusual characteristics of this compound. Each of these, including the high walls, security features, suburban location, and proximity to Islamabad made this an especially dangerous operation.

The men who executed this mission accepted this risk, practiced to minimize those risks, and understood the importance of the target to the national security of the United States.

I know you understand that I can’t and won’t get into many details of this mission, but I’ll share what I can. This operation was a surgical raid by a small team designed to minimize collateral damage and to pose as little risk as possible to non-combatants on the compound or to Pakistani civilians in the neighborhood.

Our team was on the compound for under 40 minutes and did not encounter any local authorities while performing the raid. In addition to Osama bin Laden, three adult males were killed in the raid. We believe two were the couriers and the third was bin Laden’s adult son.

There were several women and children at the compound. One woman was killed when she was used as a shield by a male combatant. Two other women were injured.
During the raid, we lost one helicopter due to mechanical failure. The aircraft was destroyed by the crew and the assault force and crew members boarded the remaining aircraft to exit the compound. All non-combatants were moved safely away from the compound before the detonation.

That’s all I have at this time. I’ll turn it back to my colleague.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We shared our intelligence on this bin Laden compound with no other country, including Pakistan. That was for one reason and one reason alone: We believed it was essential to the security of the operation and our personnel. In fact, only a very small group of people inside our own government knew of this operation in advance.

Shortly after the raid, U.S. officials contacted senior Pakistani leaders to brief them on the intent and the results of the raid. We have also contacted a number of our close allies and partners throughout the world.

Sine 9/11, the United States has made it clear to Pakistan that we would pursue bin Laden wherever he might be. Pakistan has long understood that we are at war with al Qaeda. The United States had a legal and moral obligation to act on the information it had.

And let me emphasize that great care was taken to ensure operational success, minimize the possibility of non-combatant casualties, and to adhere to American and international law in carrying out the mission.

I should note that in the wake of this operation, there may be a heightened threat to the homeland and to U.S. citizens and facilities abroad. Al Qaeda operatives and sympathizers may try to respond violently to avenge bin Laden’s death, and other terrorist leaders may try to accelerate their efforts to strike the United States. But the United States is taking every possible precaution to protect Americans here at home and overseas. The State Department has sent guidance to embassies worldwide and a travel advisory has been issued for Pakistan.

And without a doubt, the United States will continue to face terrorist threats. The United States will continue to fight those threats. We have always understood that this fight would be a marathon and not a sprint.

There’s also no doubt that the death of Osama bin Laden marks the single greatest victory in the U.S.-led campaign to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda. It is a major and essential step in bringing about al Qaeda’s eventual destruction.

Bin Laden was al Qaeda’s only (inaudible) commander in its 22-year history, and was largely responsible for the organization’s mystique, its attraction among violent jihadists, and its focus on America as a terrorist target. As the only al Qaeda leader whose authority was universally respected, he also maintained his cohesion, and his likely successor, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is far less charismatic and not as well respected within the organization, according to comments from several captured al Qaeda leaders. He probably will have difficulty maintaining the loyalty of bin Laden’s largely Gulf Arab followers.

Although al Qaeda may not fragment immediately, the loss of bin Laden puts the group on a path of decline that will be difficult to reverse.

And finally, it’s important to note that it is most fitting that bin Laden’s death comes at a time of great movement towards freedom and democracy that is sweeping the Arab world. He stood in direct opposition to what the greatest men and women throughout the Middle East and North Africa are risking their lives for: individual rights and human dignity.

MR. VIETOR: With that we’re ready to take a couple questions.

Q One question. You said “a small U.S. team.” Were these military personnel, can you say, or non-military?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Can’t go into further details at this time; just a small U.S. team.

Q Good morning. Can you tell us specifically what contact there was with bin Laden at the compound? You referred to someone using a woman as a shield that was not bin Laden. But how was he killed? Where? What occurred at the compound?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As the President said this evening, bin Laden was killed in a firefight as our operators came onto the compound.

Q Thank you. Just to go back to what you were talking about with the attacks in response to this operation, are you hearing any specific threats against specific targets?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No. But any type of event like this, it is very prudent for us to take measures so that we can ensure that the security measures that we need to institute here and throughout the world are in place. This is just something that we normally would do. We don’t have any specific threats at this time related to this. But we are ensuring that every possible precaution is taken in advance.

Q Yes, hey, how are you doing? My question would be, what was the type of the helicopter that failed? And what was the nature of that mechanical failure?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Can’t go into details at this time.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We didn’t say it was mechanical.

Q Was bin Laden involved in firing himself or defending himself? And then any chronology of the raid itself?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: He did resist the assault force. And he was killed in a firefight.

Q Thank you. Thank you for taking this call. Can you give me a comment on the very fact that Osama bin Laden was just in Islamabad -- and has long been (inaudible) Afghanistan (inaudible) also from India, that Osama bin Laden is hiding somewhere near Islamabad? What does it signify, that? Does it signify any cooperation or any kind of link that he had with establishments in Pakistan?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As the President said, Pakistani cooperation had assisted in this lead, as we pursued it. So we’re continuing to work this issue right now. We are very concerned about -- that he was inside of Pakistan, but this is something that we’re going to continue to work with the Pakistani government on.

Q But the very fact you didn’t inform the Pakistani authorities -- did you have any suspicion that if you informed them, the information might lead somewhere?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: An operation like this that is conducted has the utmost operational security attached to it. I said that we had shared this information with no other country, and that a very, very small group of individuals within the United States government was aware of this. That is for operational security purposes.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I would also just add to that that President Obama, over a period of several years now, has repeatedly made it clear that if we had actionable intelligence about Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts, we would act. So President Obama has been very clear in delivering that message publicly over a period of years. And that’s what led President Obama to order this operation. When he determined that the intelligence was actionable and the intelligence case was sufficient, he gave us high confidence that bin Laden indeed was at the compound.

Q Thank you. What is going to happen next? And what is the U.S. going to do with bin Laden’s body?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We are ensuring that it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. This is something that we take very seriously. And so therefore this is being handled in an appropriate manner.

MR. VIETOR: Great, thanks. Just to remind everyone, this call is on background, as senior administration officials. We have time for one more question, and we’re going to go to bed.

Q Do you have a sense of the vintage of the compound and how long bin Laden had been there?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The compound has been in existence for roughly five years, but we don’t know how long bin Laden lived there. We assess that the compound was built for the purpose of harboring him. But again, don’t know how long he’s been there.

MR. VIETOR: Great, thank you all. We’ll talk more tomorrow.

END 12:24 A.M. EDT

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Photos were taken and tissue sample for DNA analysis not to mention the live-footage of the operation as recorded and viewed in room no. (never mind) at Langley, VA. Nobody would fake this.

And as far as the body goes, it was indeed buried at sea as witnessed by Imam (never mind, again) from a helicopter hovering over the sea at an undisclosed location (to the imam) and later recovered by none other than (you guessed it) - US Navy Seals. So everything was done: killing OBL and sea-burial. Only retreival of the body was not mentioned. That's a classified national security secret.

I hear a knock on the door... hold on! :mrgreen:
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The presence of OBL near the Army Medical Corps comes as no surprise. It is a well known fact that The Sheik Chilli was dependant on dialysis and there is no way a qualified doctor would make his way to the mountainous regions regularly without it being noticed.

I think the Americans knew about Pakistan(ese) complicity at all levels in hiding OBL. The Obama team was probably waiting for a time close enough to the elections before acting but the recent deterioration of relations not to mention Raymond Davis saga forced them to act much quicker than they would have liked to.

From all the news we are hearing, the Americans were observing the compound for close to 6 months now, given the high tech surveillance equipment they claim to have it is not wrong to postulate that the Americans could have launched this op much earlier if they wanted to.
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Great, so there was no "burial". Just a dip in the sea! Fool-proof plan to make sure speculation continues when a corpse gets caught up in somebody's fishing net. :wink:
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We need to also ask whether USA would really be willing to kill such a trove of intelligence!

In fact, OBL would be able to tell much about the complicity of ISI and Pakistani Army! It would have been in India's interest too to see to it, that Pakistani Army is nailed to the wall, and it is done so publicly without any room for denials! So even if some OBL wandering about in Waziristan, would not be a reason for Indian intelligence to inform the CIA, an OBL sitting right in the living room of Pakistani Army, would be definite reason for Indian intelligence to share that kind of information.

In the end, whether Indians had any hand in it, who can tell! I can't! But it is certainly a game changer for India too, because the world now got to see Pakistan with its knickers down and its looli infested with terrorist scum!
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Klaus wrote:Great, so there was no "burial". Just a dip in the sea!
There is plenty of room in the freezer in building no. (never mind) at Area-51 next to alien body specimen range A417Z9 and A422Z9.
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Klaus wrote:Great, so there was no "burial". Just a dip in the sea!
Great ! Now the Pakistanese Fishermen ( called Navy in military terms) can claim that they found OBL's teeth inside the guts of a Baby Shark that their submarine netted. They can then build a Mosque and place the teeth there to turn it into a tourist destination for the World's terrorists.
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arun wrote:A question.

What to make of the flip flop about the US helicopter coming down with mechanical failure. One Senior Administration Official says in the briefing that it did come down due to mechanical failure while Q&A session a Senior Administration Official denies that it was said that mechanical failure brought down the helicopter? :

It is mentioned here that OBL's guards opened fire at Americans from the roof of the building. It is possible that it led to the crash. Just a CT.
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When will Mullah Omar get a bullet in his head ?
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