News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 May 2011 20:05

CRamS wrote:
AnantD wrote: If the israelis could do entebbe, it was because they were not communicating with the Ugandans, why is it so difficult to do a covert op in TSP if you don't discuss beforehand with TSP?
Unless TSPA consists of a bunch of eunuchs, I can't imagine there are no radars, no surface to air missiles etc deployed so close to the TSPA military academy where this house was located.

CRS, why do you doubt that? Now do you wonder at the crown jelwes can also be snatched if they dont behave!

Kakul is a military garrison town. It houses the MH corps headquarters, the PMA and a lot of other things. Its not a hill station.

The location Abottabad is alos worng. Its 100 yards (300 feet) from the main gate of PMA Kakul.

Its ironic that OBL get his 72 in Abbottabad!

The crusaders strike again!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 20:06

Just like in Saddam Hussain's case.
There was no official photo released to the world.
I am sure that some sort of picture will make its way to the media via a 'covert release'.

It will be proof that OBL is dead, but will be bad enough that people can't make a framed photo of it to hang a garland around it.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2011 20:10

Out of deference to rop sentiment they might not release a pic esp if his face was damaged and no time for reconstructive morgue work at a funeral home. At some point a lowres pic alegedlyshot by amed guy in bagram willcome to wikileaks

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 20:13

He's allegedly got a shot on his head and the chest.
Unlikely that face is intact, part of the face would be blown off.

The US would have had to sew together that face. A little bit like LTTE's Prabhakaran - His skull was blown off, but it looks like they stitched the scalp together.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 02 May 2011 20:14

Gaganji, That is an Apache. Whether all were Apaches time will tell us.

Bin Laden's death was confirmed by Pakistani intelligence. Lieutenant General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, the director general of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), said the ISI had been aware of the operation and was part of the whole process.

His big mouth, Pasha's that is, has sounded a rough time for the Pakis. I hate innocents being killed of any nation, race, religion or creed.

But being cold hearted when it comes to our country's defence the Qaida should keep him busy for a long while, unless he is busy packing his bags to go to the US permanently.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 02 May 2011 20:18

Suppiah wrote:From a purely technical standpoint, how is it possible for US helicopters to land so close to Paki Army HQ garrison city, dont they have radar's etc? If Unkil can do this without telling Pakis AT ALL, that is really a triumph...it will make them less reliant on Pakis in future...

Thats the question I have been asking since last night when this news broke. Some have responded highlighting the militray sophistication in US arsenal, but I won't be surprised if the explanation is fairly simple.

US acted alone, and as the operation was being launched, some honcho like Patreus or someone called up Kiyani with Paasha on the line, and told them, look we are launching into this attack, and any hanky panky from you guys, GHQ and Kahuta will be vaporized. To add further insult to injury, they may have told the duo that US got permission from the official leader of the country, Zardari, and hence they are on form ground. Ouch, that must have been some blow to TSPA H&D.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 02 May 2011 20:23

More time will help clarify further but my contacts all believe that TSPA was notified at the very last minute just before the choppers took off from their Pakistani base. The compound was on 24x7 satellite watch and electronic jammers were also used to prevent any ISI tipoff to the terrorists.

jarugn · Post by **jarugn** » 02 May 2011 20:24

White House debates releasing photo!
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... pse-1.html

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 May 2011 20:30

Osama's lair (source: Washington Post).

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 02 May 2011 20:31

jarugn wrote:White House debates releasing photo!
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... pse-1.html

Many families of American military personnel state that they are entitled to have the photu, they feel that GOTUS is playing with the righteous emotions of the American public by keeping it away from the public.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 02 May 2011 20:32

Rangudu wrote:More time will help clarify further but my contacts all believe that TSPA was notified at the very last minute just before the choppers took off from their Pakistani base. The compound was on 24x7 satellite watch and electronic jammers were also used to prevent any ISI tipoff to the terrorists.

Even if one were to put the best possible spin on this, surely TSP stock will dwindle in the beltway. I mean, how the f$%ck could OBL be hiding right under Kiyani's nose and he did not know about it. Anyone, except Paki fans in India's DDM like Bakara et. al, will ask this question.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 May 2011 20:34

Video of Osama's lair (and watch the interview later): Video

Rampy · Post by **Rampy** » 02 May 2011 20:36

http://www.samachar.com/Osama-resisted- ... hcfbj.html

Pig's Image

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 02 May 2011 20:37

If indeed he has been dumped in the ocean, I hope the US authorities specify the coordinates so that aspiring nanha Pakjabi 'warriors' can walk all the way to pay their respect.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 02 May 2011 20:37

To release or not to release, that is the question! (the photo)

They should do release the photo. If I was American, I would want that!

What a funeral parlour can touch up, software can. Make it look less gory, but ensure the evidence of death is conveyed!

jarugn · Post by **jarugn** » 02 May 2011 20:38

Pakistan claims it passed raw data - LOL

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

jarugn · Post by **jarugn** » 02 May 2011 20:42

"Hussein Haqqani, Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States, said his government “had no knowledge” that the long-hunted bin Laden was, essentially, living in their midst."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pak ... story.html

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 02 May 2011 20:46

As far as data is concerned, pix, etc., expect qualitative easing from Uncle's musharraf...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 May 2011 20:51

I think this last minute notification story has to be vetted by defence experts...one charitable (actually it is uncharitable in the bigger picture but let us ignore that for one moment) intrepretation is that Unkil's copters/drones/planes are flying in and out of TSP on routine missions anyway so it is unlikely two or three more will arouse interest...( but then this is not the traditional droneacharya nesting area )

If that is not the case, a whole lot of border security installations, ones closer to Abottabad and about perhaps 100km radius will have to be notified not to scream/scram and keep mouths shut which in of itself would raise doubts and rumours....one has to imagine that the border posts did shout but were told generals are busy watching TV and would call back later with instructions..all depends on flying time between border and ground zero...or they were told it is a usual flight with some generals coming for talks...possible..which means the HQ knew.

The crash of helicopter, army cordoning off area and not saying much adds to suspicion that they were told, though when it was too late..

40 minutes is a long time....not like hostage rescue etc, which typically get over in seconds if not minutes..takes a lot of looking the other way..

CT onlee...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2011 20:52

dont CT/HRT forces use 9mm guns and fat soft low velocity rounds to minimize collateral damage. I read somewhere such rounds tend to "bloom" inside target and kind of blow a large swathe of flesh and bone out vs faster conventional bullets.
so exit wounds might be quite severe in looks.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 02 May 2011 20:53

The only guys worth praising are the 24 US Navy Seals that did this stealth operation without a single one getting hurt.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 May 2011 20:54

RamaY wrote:
Gagan wrote:AoA
Arnab Goswami is off with a sixer.
He's accused both Pakistan and the US.
He says the US knew that OBL was living here, and everyone's been throwing wool over the world's, pakistani citizen eyes.

His program is not going to get completed I'll bet.
Gaganullah,

I see some merit in this. Per my sources (highly classified) -

USA and Pakistan Govt were aware of OBL's whereabouts since the beginning of GWOT. They decided to keep OBL under house arrest so they can continue with their GWOT as planned.

This entire GWOT was also planned jointly by US and Musharaff /Pak even before 911. This has to be understood. The policy of Pakistan/US was not going anywhere and it would have created a serious situation.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 May 2011 20:55

Mush is on timesnow tv

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 May 2011 20:58

The Secret Team That Killed bin Laden

http://nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/t ... a02a7a38,0

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 May 2011 20:59

Sushupti wrote:Mush is on timesnow tv

Trying to save his musharraf, no doubt. Please post the video later, if possible.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2011 20:59

the talib and aq leadership in peshawar and quetta must be having emergency meetings wondering how much they can trust the ISI if their leader was sold to the US.

everyone involved in this game atleast stands for what they believe - right or wrong
US, AQ, Taliban all have their set agenda and are not deflected by money

its only the pakis who sell their virginity repeatedly to the highest bidder for money and a few more years of survival for the elites.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 May 2011 21:02

looking forward to pasha and kayani squirming every which way now for a few dins and raats - what to tell unkil? what to tell ummah? rock and a hard place time...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 May 2011 21:02

Suppiah wrote:
The crash of helicopter, army cordoning off area and not saying much adds to suspicion that they were told, though when it was too late..

40 minutes is a long time....not like hostage rescue etc, which typically get over in seconds if not minutes..takes a lot of looking the other way..

CT onlee...

Some serious points of disagreement here. 40 minutes is a very short time and we have no real information that real hostage rescues occur in seconds.

Army can do nothing other than cordon off the area. That is the first thing to do. Ring the area so no one gets out. But when you ring the area so no one gets out - no one can get in either. Why assume it was to stop [people getting in. they had no idea what was going on and were doing a standard cordon - by which time the helos had gone.

I am not at all sure why we on BRF and you specially (I know your real feeling about Pakis) - why are you especially so keen to try and find some molecules of information that prove that the Pakistanis have cooperated with the US here. This is bad for BRF and India. Why on earth?

Kindly kill this thought process right now.

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 02 May 2011 21:02

Was 40 mins the duration of the entire operation or the operations in the compound itself? I would think the operations in the compound itself lasted only a few minutes. The TSPA would have had a few minutes notice (perhaps to ensure that they were not in the line of fire) but before they could react, it would have been all over.

Also, the TSPA need not have been told that they were going after UBL, though it would be obvious to anybody that operations of such a nature involving human operatives and not just drones would have to involve an extremely high value target.

Is there any word on where the operations were launched from? Where were the helicopters based?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 21:03

Mushy ran away from Times Now TV.

Obama is going to come on air again to talk about OBL?? Reported by NDTV
Any other confirmation?

jarugn · Post by **jarugn** » 02 May 2011 21:03

Pakistan was fast asleep (literally as well at 1:30am). This is shock and awe for Pakistan military and intelligence. A mortal blow to Pakistan's confidence akin to East Pakistan separation!

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... stan.role/

The United States says it didn't share intelligence with or a give a heads-up to Pakistan about the planned raid on the compound where U.S. military personnel in a raid with helicopters killed Osama bin Laden.

"We shared our intelligence on this bin Laden compound with no other country, including Pakistan," a senior U.S. administration official told CNN.

"That was for one reason and one reason alone: We believed it was essential to the security of the operation and our personnel. In fact, only a very small group of people inside our own government knew of this operation in advance," the official said.

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 02 May 2011 21:03

GP was on CNN-IBN and there were 2 pakis, an editor and the High Comm for UK. They were repeating the same thing that Pakistan is a victim of terror onlee and ISI was involved in this ops...

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 May 2011 21:03

Arnab is doing well on Times Now. Pakis on the show have their chaddis in a twist.

ankitash · Post by **ankitash** » 02 May 2011 21:04

Pakistan’s critics ask how bin Laden’s refuge went unnoticed
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pak ... story.html

Bin Laden was shot dead inside a sprawling and heavily fortified mansion within walking distance from a premiere military academy.

“How could [bin Laden] be in such a compound without being noticed?” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said on Fox News Monday morning. A Senate hearing on U.S.-Pakistan relations is scheduled for this week.

In India, Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram noted “with grave concerns” that “terrorists belonging to different organizations find sanctuary in Pakistan.”

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 02 May 2011 21:07

Isn't Gobar Ayoob from the same neighborhood?
Who else?

jarugn · Post by **jarugn** » 02 May 2011 21:08

The US Helicopter did not crash after dropping personnel. It stalled. Back up Helicopter came and finished operation. Then the recon destroyed the stalled helicopter.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 21:09

Pres. Obama is on TV LIVE NOW>

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 May 2011 21:09

Sridhar wrote:Was 40 mins the duration of the entire operation or the operations in the compound itself?

Looks like 40 minutes at the compound. The National Journal article above has many of the answers to your other questions (origins, type of helis...)

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 02 May 2011 21:09

Remembered this quote from movie Raajneeti..

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 02 May 2011 21:10

40 minutes. Not only to secure the compound but also to gather whatever Intel they could which might lead them to other operatives. Paki or Qaida!