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Apologies if this has been posted before. Something that we at BRF have known for a long while.
Osama bin Laden 'protected' by Pakistani security
American diplomats were told that one of the key reasons why they had failed to find bin Laden was that Pakistan’s security services tipped him off whenever US troops approached.
Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISID) also allegedly smuggled al-Qaeda terrorists through airport security
In December 2009, the government of Tajikistan warned the United States that efforts to catch bin Laden were being thwarted by corrupt Pakistani spies.
He was also overheard “bragging about a time when the ISID sent a military unit into Afghanistan, posing as civilians to fight along side the Taliban against US forces”.
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This is how it was done.. some images and animation from abc news

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bin-lad ... n-13507727
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I have been trying to view the paki deaf and dumb show but seems like they are either experiencing heavy traffic or the site is down. Are others having the same problems? That's the site where a lot of Injuns make fun of the collective paki perfidy.
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defence.pk is down.
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word of caution - carting out Laden's sorry ass is not same as finding and carting out bums from a huge facility. Despite some serious mijjile waving, no small team of khan can do that. Needs a lot more people and cojones than this.

This sort of stuff could have been easily outsourced to some shady paki. But khan wants to look and feel good. Matter of budget and POTUS asking "what did you do for me to look dandy lately?"
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The US has proven again that is has the world's best special operations capbility - congrats to SEAL team.
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hnair wrote:word of caution - carting out Laden's sorry ass is not same as finding and carting out bums from a huge facility. Despite some serious mijjile waving, no small team of khan can do that. Needs a lot more people and cojones than this.
As with any spec ops mission, this too was logistics heavy. Not sure if it is true, but one report (can't seem to find it now) put the number of people involved to about 5000. :shock:
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hello, besides special ops capability .. don't get this fancier idea that he is out to do the same with others.. one has to be a condom in the first place, and next a terror country to be the second. A perfect match here in afpak.
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Some updates:

The Pakgeek who live-tweeted OBL's Jahannum Nasheeniyat (!) has linked to this shaky video of his hideout, shot by a resident of Abbotabad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWMsApBOws

Noo-Yok-Times has reported that the CIA has recovered a large trove of documents from the site, as expected. Hopefully it will hold records of some direct communications between TSP overlards and OBL.

The brave emir used his women as shields http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm ... f59c5.html

More: The great Barkha is reporting that the naPak envoy to UK has claimed OBL was in Abbotabad only for a week. http://twitter.com/#!/BDUTT/status/65149446085816320 Sure, good time to vacation in the hills. Caves get hot in the summer ya know.

FP has collected a list of a decade's worth of great denials by TSP overlards: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ?page=full
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Post all links which show paki perfidity wrt osama on facebook/twitter/any social site. Let the world read and understand how the pakis have been fooling everyone!
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Osama's death a gift to resurgent al-Qaeda ---- Praveen Swami
“History,” wrote Abdullah Azzam, Osama bin Laden's mentor, “does not write its lines except with blood.” He then added: “Glory does not build its lofty edifice except with skulls; honour and respect cannot be established except on a foundation of cripples and corpses.”
Even though Zawahiri, as the al-Qaeda's deputy amir, will take charge of the organisation, intelligence officers believe that real power will lie with a younger generation of leaders — key among them a dark-eyed, olive skinned man whose name no one knows.

Muhammad Ibrahim Makkawi, also known as Ibrahim al-Madani, Omar al-Somali and Saif al-Adel — which means ‘the sword of justice' — is believed to have been picked to direct operations targeting the West.

Al-Adel wants to conduct a prolonged war of attrition, built around low-cost, low-risk operations. He hopes this will push western governments to retreat from Afghanistan, and to back away from brewing conflicts in north Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia.
Parts of al-Adel's thinking can be pieced together from a memoir he wrote in 2005. In 1987, the memoir records, al-Adel was a colonel in Egypt's special forces when he joined Zawahiri's group, the al-Jihad. Prosecutors said he had planned to drive a bomb-laden truck into Egypt's Parliament, and to crash an aircraft into the building — tactics that the al-Qaeda would later use to effect.

But al-Adel was less than impressed, holding them guilty of “over-enthusiasm that resulted in hasty action” which brought the wrath of the authorities before the al-Jihad was prepared.
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Finally, raman is back with his analysis of this event - link
Question:Was the operation that was carried out by the US Special Forces against Osama bin Laden resulting in his death at Abbotabad in Pakistan on the night of May1 an exclusive US operation or was it a joint US-Pak operation?
A: Till now the indications are that it was an exclusive US operation. Since it involved the ingress of the US specal forces into Pakistani territory by air in helicopters, it was likely that Gen. Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, Pakistan's Chief of the Army Staff (COAS), was informed before the helicopters with the special forces took off from Afghanistan for the raid even though US officials have reportedly been asserting that Pakistan was informed only after the helicopters had taken off at the end of the operation. When the Bill Clinton Administration launched the Cruise missile strikes on the traininmg camps of Al Qaeda in the Jalalabad area of Afghanistan in 1998 they followed a similar procedure. Gen Anthony Zinni, the then Commanding Officer of the US Central Command, flew to Islamabad from a US naval ship and informed Gen.Jehangir Karamat, the then COAS, about the impending raid. The US did so to make sure that Pakistan did not interpret that the missile had been launched by India and order a missile strike against India. A similar precaution was likely to have been taken this time too. Moreover, Abbotabad, an important military garrison town, has high air defence cover. It was important to prevent a messy air defence action by Pakistan against the US helicopters if its radars had detected their approach. The entire operation lasted a little over two hours. Durung this period, one of the helicopters crashed. It was blown up and destroyed by the special forces.A newsletter disseminated by a retired US naval officer says:"Source says actual crash sight was on Kakul Road, Abbottabod, Pakistan just down from the Pakistan Military Academy exercise grounds. See image for road, which was reportedly blocked off by local security after the incident. Folks in the city mentioned on Twitter at the time that the action was very, very close to the PMA." This would indicate that during the entire operation on the ground, which lasted over 90 minutes if one excludes the time taken by the choppers for their to and fro journey, the Pakistani security forces did not intervene and try to find out what was going on. The local police blocked the stretch of the road where the helicopter had crashed to prevent onlookers rushing there till the Americans had destroyed the chopper. All this clearly shows that the Pakistanis must have had advance knowledge of the operation and had instructions from above not to intervene.
Has the US undertaken similar operations deep inside Pakistan before?
A. Yes thrice before. Twice in 2002 in Faislabad and Karachi to capture Abu Zubaida and Ramzi Binalshibh respectively and once in 2003 in Rawalpindi to capture Khalid Sheikh Mohammad (KSM).
How did those operations differ from the latest operation to kill OBL?
A. The three previous operations were joint US-Pakistan operations with the Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) playing the leadership role. The raids were organised on the basis of technical intelligence (TECHINT) collected by the US agencies due to the careless use of mobile telephones by the three arrested persons. The latest operation against OBL seems to have been an exclusive US operation with the prior knowledge of Pakistan, but with no Pakistani role in its planning and execution. Since OBL was not using any communication equipment such as mobile telephone, Internet etc in his hide-out, no Technical Intelligence would have been possible. It seems to have been mounted purely on the basis of Human Intelligence (HUMINT). The success of the operation speaks very highly of the improvement in the HUMINT capability of the US agencies.
Wherefrom could the HUMINT have come?
A.Abbotabad is a Hazara town. The Hazaras are strongly against Al Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban because of the massacre of the Hazaras, many of whom are Shias, in East Afghanistan when the Taliban was in power in Kabul. It is likely that the local Hazara community might have played a role in assisting the US in its OBL hunt. In fact, it is surprising that OBL took shelter in that town despite the strong presence of the Hazaras there. No explanation for this has been forthcoming so far.
Is it possible that the ISI might have played a role in the collection of the HUMINT?
A. Difficult to answer this question.
How come the huge mansion in which OBL was reportedly living did not attract suspicion as it was being constructed in 2005?
A.Difficult to explain it unless the mansion had been constructed by a retired senior General of the Army as his farm house and then given on rent to OBL's family with or without the knowledge that it was the family of OBL.
For how long OBL must have been living in the mansion?
A.According to US media reports, the house had been under watch by the US since Auguat last year. Obama gave the order for the operation on April 29 on the receipt of precise information that OBL was inside the mansion. This would give rise to the possibility that Osama's family had been living in the mansion at least since last August, that OBL had been visiting them off and on and that Obama gave the order for the operation after receiving information in the last week of April that OBL had come to visit his family. This is what happened in the case of Baitullah Mehsud, the Amir of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) who was killed in a Drone strike. His wife and children were living with her father. Baitullah was visiting them off and on. The Americans had reportedly managed to find out the details of the car of Baitullah. One day they received information that Baitullah's car was parked outside his in-laws' house. They directed a missile strike at it. Baitullah was among those killed. In the case of OBL, they did not make a missile strike. Instead, they sent a spl. forces team to kill OBL in a fire-fight.
Was there an official Pakistani complicity in OBL's living in Abbotabad?
A.The evidence till now is circumstantial and not direct. Why did OBL choose to live in Abbotabad despite the presence of a large number of Hazaras there? The only possible answer is because he felt confident his security would be assured there. He could have got this confidence only if had the support of some sections of the local security agencies and/or the police and also of some local elements of the non-Hazara segment of the population. This is more speculative than of any evidentiary value. The direct evidence could come from the interrogation of those arrested alive from the mansion by the US spl forces.
What impact this will have on US relations with Pakistan?
The US already has considerable suspicion that Pakistan has been playing a double game by dragging its feet on the issue of action against Al Qaeda. This suspicion will now be further strengthened. The smoking gun in the form of OBL's dead body has clearly established that OBL was living in an urban town of Pakistan. Was he living there with the knowledge or collusion of the Pakistani security agencies? There is no smoking gun on this yet. Unless that becoms available, the US would find it difficult to act against the State of Pakistan. The relations will continue as before with ups and downs and with alternating praise for action taken and reprimands for actions not taken.
Will the death of OBL be the end of Al Qaeda?
A. No.Since 9/11, Al Qaeda is already a weakened organisation due to repeated Drone strikes on its hide-outs and capture of some of its leaders on the ground in Pakistan. This process of weakening that has been there since 2002 could acquire pace and strength as a result of the death of OBL. Despite this, Al Qaeda, by itself, will remain a potent force for some years to come until it suffers more attrition.
Will it have any impact on Obama's plans to start thinning out troops from Afghanistan? Will it enable or tempt Obama to accelerate the process?
A. No. Obama's decisions relating to Afghanistan will depend on the evolution of the ground situation in Afghanistan and on the proved ability of the Afghan National Army to withstand pressure from the Taliban.
What are the dangers of reprisal attacks by Al Qaeda and its affiliates?
A.High in the Af-Pak region. The Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and Al Qaeda affiliates like the Lashksar-e-Jhangvi (LEJ) and the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM) will presume that the Pakistani security forces must have co-operated with the US. Acts of suicide terrorism against the Pakistani security forces and US nationals and interests in Pakistan could increase.

High against US nationals and interests in other countries.

Medium to low in the US homeland. ( 2-5-11)
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Among the material seized were DVDs of Hasina Atim Bum and other such 'religious' material.
The above DVD also established the connection between the Keedas and WMD (Wimmen of Massive Derrière)
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Actaully this raid is a very good expose of TSP perfidy and ISI in particular. Its an extension of RD affair. With this raid TSPA/ISI have no fig leaves to cover their duplicity. Taking money from US all these years and hiding the most wanted terrorist right outside the gates of theri military academy in a garrison town. Also speaks of the TSP civliians who were part of the charade and appaer distanced at will. They also come out shoddy..
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New motto of Pakistan Military Academy, Kakul
Osama Ke Pehredaar
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Gagan wrote:New motto of Pakistan Military Academy, Kakul
Osama Ke Pehredaar
Correction: Osama Ke naPunsAK Pehredaar
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local population said Delta force & SEAL not all but three of them speaking pasto,urdu,dari,arabic. They were part of monteray language institute..
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One report from PTI and Dijvijay puts his foot in the mouth!

Operation Nails Paki Lie
Operation nails Pakistan's lie

May 03, 2011 2:47:58 AM

PTI | Islamabad

Ever since the 9/11 attacks, Pakistani leaders have been vehemently denying the presence of al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in their country.

However, US President Obama shamed them today when he announced that bin Laden, the world's most wanted man, had been killed at a compound in the Pakistan city of Abbottabad, close to a military academy.

Top Pakistani leaders, including President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, Interior Minister Rahman Mallik and even ex-military ruler Pervez Musharraf had repeatedly denied US intelligence that bin Laden was present in the country.

In an interview to BBC in September 2009, Zardari had said that he thought Osama was dead.

On Osama, Pakistan President, however, did not put forward any evidence or details in support of his claim that world's most wanted terrorist was no longer alive.

His remarks on Osama being dead run contrary to American belief that al-Qaida chief is alive and is hiding in Pakistan's restive tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.

Gilani, who was pressed by then British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in December 2009 to act againt bin Laden, had said that his country had not received any credible intelligence on the whereabouts of the (al Qaeda) terror network's leaders.

"I doubt the information which you are giving is correct because I don't think Osama bin Laden is in Pakistan," he had said.

Apart from telling them that Afghan police were fighting alongside terrorists in Pakistan, Interior Minister Rehman Malik also told the Americans in September 2009 that Osama Bin Laden could be in Iran, Saudi Arabia or Yemen.

According to leaked US diplomatic cables, Malik told Americans that Osama Bin Laden could be in Iran, Saudi Arabia and Yemen or might be dead.

"Representative Gabrielle Giffords asked Malik whether he had information about the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden. Malik responded that he "had no clue," but added that he did not believe that Bin Laden is in the area.

Pakistan is not specifically looking for Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, as there is no proof he is in Pakistan, former President Musharraf had said in an interview in January 2008.

"We are not particularly looking for him, but we are operating against terrorists and Al-Qaeda and militant Taliban. And in the process, obviously, combined, maybe we are looking for him also," Musharraf told CBS television.

Asked what Pakistan was doing to find the mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks, Musharraf had said it was fighting extremism and terrorism.

"We are fighting first of all Al-Qaeda. Let's take Al -Qaeda. We have arrested or eliminated about 700 Al-Qaeda leaders ... Which other country has done this?"
Can a 9/11 victim sue these guys in New York court for being accessories to the fact by hiding a terrorist like OBL?


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devesh wrote:what Uncle has done is he's showed the entire world that they can launch an operation in a nuclear armed country with good/decent weapons systems and carry it out successfully without that country's government even knowing about it.....
I would not stretch it that far. Unkil already had a presence in the "colony" so to speak, they onlee had to sprint into the "compound"; which would be totally different if they were to make the adventure into Iran. Pakis would have heard the helos flying around in night and gone back to their goats, but Iranians would get worried when something unusual happened. This has been made possible because Unkil had his boots in the region for a long time now. People were used to Unkil and Aunties walking around.
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..and suddenly one condom leaked.
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Gagan, If that half finished house was a $1 mansion looks like OBL was also cheated by TSPA! I think its another scam. And to me hardly looks like a mansion with charpoy beds and pickles in the kitchen.
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Foreign Policy mag has compiled a decade worth of lie by Pakis about OBL.

Osama bin Who? A decade of denials and downplaying from Pakistani leaders.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ma_bin_who
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ramana wrote:Actaully this raid is a very good expose of TSP perfidy and ISI in particular. Its an extension of RD affair. With this raid TSPA/ISI have no fig leaves to cover their duplicity. Taking money from US all these years and hiding the most wanted terrorist right outside the gates of theri military academy in a garrison town. Also speaks of the TSP civliians who were part of the charade and appaer distanced at will. They also come out shoddy..
Could it be possible that RD missed a (David) Pearlification; just because he has better reflexes?
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Here is a true winner:

Osama must have moved to Abbottabad recently: Pakistani envoy

With the invitation of the Pakistani government.
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ramana wrote:Gagan, If that half finished house was a $1 mansion looks like OBL was also cheated by TSPA! I think its another scam. And to me hardly looks like a mansion with charpoy beds and pickles in the kitchen.
ramana ji, I think the charpoy was in there out of necessity. I don't think ikeeya makes a bed large enough to fit the chief keeda's 3 wives and 4 goats.
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If one has the energy and zeal to go back over the last Af-Pak and TSP threads am sure there were clues and mistakes that were not noted by TSPA. They lost not only an asset but any iota of credibility. Now even if they tell the truth no one will believe them. The sad thing is they didn't know the limits of lying.

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US is clearly saying that they had OBL under watch from last August. And this fool is saying he moved recently!

Surely he takes the dictum "An ambassodor is sent abroad to lie for his country" literally.
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Normally I would never post from Def n Dumb, but this post totally captures what I wanted to say :

Pakistan has such a poor image now i doubt anyone would want to do business in Pakistan or travel to Pakistan now.
Except for weapons training...don't forget this is still big business, and Pakistan has a 90% market penetration.

Pakistani military is very very foolish.
True.

And more Pakistanis living in the west will now be afraid to tell others they are Pakistanis after this event.
Yes indeed, especially the "sideshows and carnival barkers" who think their TFTA Pakistaniat smells better.

Our dream for a prosperous Pakistan vanishes into thin air.
True, and why is that a bad thing?


_ _ Indians are so happy today.
Yes, we are. And you're not. Get used to it.
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On the drive home now, just heard Sean Hannity interview Secretary Rumsfeld on his nationally syndicated radio show.

And I threw up a bunch of coffee all around my car seat, and I have not had a drop of coffee in all of two weeks.

It was surreal. When Hannity initially asked about TSP, sounding somewhat cross at Pakistan regd. bin Laden's long picnic in Paki hill stations, Rumsfeld vehemently defended Pakistan in tone and language that even Ambassador Haqqani would find embarrassing today.

Rumsfeld said that just because bin Laden was found after such a long time, and was found where he was, and the fact that the US kept the Pakis totally in the dark about this operation, did not mean that the Pakis were anything less than herrows. "It is a reach" (Rumsfeld's exact words) that all this means that someone in Pakistan was aiding and abetting and hiding bin Laden.

Further, "we don't know this yet, but it might come out that Pakistan could have enormously helped the US in this very operation" (again, exact Rumsfeld words).

No wonder the Iraq war went swimmingly so well for the US under the watch of blind and foolish leaders like this.

On this day, Rumsfeld knew that he and his admin were open to the charge of being naive and indulgent towards a duplicitous Pakistan. And so, it was more important for this old bandicoot to come out and cover his musharraf, than to open eyes and see some sunlight.
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jr^2, Here is a report on why there was so mcuh disconnect between the way things were handled

2008 Debates revisited

THE 2008 DEBATE, REVISITED.... In July 2008, CNN's Larry King interviewed then-presidential candidate John McCain. The host asked the Republican senator, "If you were president and knew that bin Laden was in Pakistan, you know where, would you have U.S. forces go in after him?"

McCain said he would not.

"Larry, I'm not going to go there and here's why: because Pakistan is a sovereign nation."


This point of contention from the 2008 campaign has generally been forgotten, but for a couple of months, this was a major area of debate. Barack Obama declared he would pursue high-value terrorist targets in Pakistan, launching limited attacks based on actionable intelligence. Republicans insisted this was not only the wrong policy, but that the position was evidence of Obama's inexperience in matters of national security.

Even Mitt Romney tried a similar tack during a nationally televised GOP debate:

"[Obama] went from going to sit down to tea with our enemies, but then he's going to bomb our allies. I mean, he's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week."

With the benefit of hindsight, I'm comfortable concluding now that Obama was right and his Republican critics were wrong.
Shows the difference in apporach. The Repubs very clearly lost the bubble. and the 2012 elections.
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ramana wrote:If one has the energy and zeal to go back over the last Af-Pak and TSP threads am sure there were clues and mistakes that were not noted by TSPA. They lost not only an asset but any iota of credibility. Now even if they tell the truth no one will believe them. The sad thing is they didn't know the limits of lying.

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US is clearly saying that they had OBL under watch from last August. And this fool is saying he moved recently!

Surely he takes the dictum "An ambassodor is sent abroad to lie for his country" literally.
Is there any doubt these guys are running around like headless chickens at the moment?
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To me the odd thing is the total silence from Pindi and I'Bad.
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31 miles from where they rule, living in a house that is 8 TIMES the average size of a house there, no internet (in 2010/11), no cell (in 2010/11), two brothers who have no income stay there and neither the Government of Pakistan (OK, I understand that), the Pakistan Army nor their ISI KNOW that he is in the country?

And, to top it all, we are now learning that Pakistan helped in collecting information.



This is not the time to celebrate. It should be the time to clamp down Pakistan and do a body search for the rest of the yahoos.
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if musharraf is in maasa with his musharraf in tact, then it does not take a special op to cut his musharraf off! if he can't know more isi links, then why they need provide him refuge? providing obl a safe home in core of pakistan, now this is like providing a safe heaven for the future of terror cells spawning from the very musharraf!
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Mushy is probably on a investor visa with all his loot.
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Just heard Colin Powell in the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer on CNN!

Colin Powell too seemed uneasy about putting any blame on Pakistanis, saying "we don't know as yet!"
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Re: Breaking News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

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SaiK wrote:if musharraf is in maasa with his musharraf in tact, then it does not take a special op to cut his musharraf off! if he can't know more isi links, then why they need provide him refuge? providing obl a safe home in core of pakistan, now this is like providing a safe heaven for the future of terror cells spawning from the very musharraf!
Becky Andersson on CNN had a telephone interview with Musharraf, and they were showing that in map next to his photo, that he is in Dubai, UAE!
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Lets recap it looks like he was literally holed up literally in a fortress.
The compound in Abbottabad was 4 km's from a military base with radar installations, which indicates some sort of sat/ground observation done by US forces for a year to get around it.
There were multiple military checkpoints in the city .
The compound itself had 2 walls, barbed wire,5 armored suvs etc.
The house was purchased 10 years ago (so was it planned out as part of Sept 11?) and he likely moved there after Tora Bora.

Karza now looks like a genius since he was saying his intel reported that he was in Islamabad :P.
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Colin Powell was too chummy with mush and paki generals for my liking.

meanwhile, closer to home, a uber-secularist speaks from his , er, musharaff ...

Eye on UP polls, Digvijay slams Osama's sea burial
NEW DELHI: With an eye firmly fixed on Uttar Pradesh's minority vote bank, Congress leader and state in-charge Digvijay Singh criticized the reported burial of Al Qaida leader and the world's most wanted terrorist Osama bin Laden at sea.

According to an agency report, Singh said, "However big a criminal one might be, his religious traditions should be respected while burying him."

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Singh's political positioning on terror issues has been consistent as he had questioned the Batla House shootout, involving the Indian Mujahideen, and had demanded a judicial inquiry. He had also met the relatives of those arrested or killed in the encounter in Azamgarh. With a fierce competition for minority vote ahead of UP assembly polls, the former Madhya Pradesh chief minister has sought to make sure that he is in sync with the reported popular sentiment.
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Is it the popular sentiment among Indians, or only among UPites, or only among muslims? If they implied "among muslims", is TOI/Digvijay saying that most of Indian muslims support Osama, even though many muslim leaders have welcomed his killing?
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You left out pseudo seculars who are a class by themselves.
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Colin Powell, with a wee bit of luck, could easily become the next PM of Pakistan.
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