Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 02 May 2011 20:14

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... r-weapons/

It is obvious why Pakistan feels it needs nuclear weapons — only through their power can they hope to stave off an attack by the much more economically and military powerful Indians. They will never give them up. But the risk posed by leaving the ultimate weapon in such obviously unreliable hands cannot be overstated. For the sake of the world’s safety, we must hope that the United States keeps a close eye on where these weapons are stored, and is prepared to do what’s necessary to prevent them from ever falling into the wrong hands — even if that involves the rapid, surgical use of some of America’s own stockpile of nuclear warheads to destroy the bunkers where Pakistan keeps theirs.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 May 2011 20:17

Bhima wrote:US has violated our sovereignty: Musharraf

Here's the related video

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 May 2011 20:49

I was listening to NPR this morning and per the reporter this compound is surrounded by houses of retired and serving Pakistani Army Generals. Nothing surprising for BRF. All the information so far has no surprises.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2011 20:54

no different from khalid sheikh muhammad living in posh rawalpindi suburb westridge among homes of business and military elites.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 May 2011 20:59

Indian security establishment should be on red alert. TSP will look for a way to escape from the spotlight.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 02 May 2011 21:06

Christina Fair on Twitter:

it is ridiculously incriminating for the Pak army. The place is a Rawalpindi Annex! I smell some tattiyan hitting a pankkaj

Well put. I still can't believe Abbottabad! I have such fond memories of stomping around those forests as a BULPIP bacchi!

Is this bitch for real.. and she plays a major role in US policy...

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 02 May 2011 21:10

Remembered this quote from movie Raajneeti..

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 02 May 2011 21:11

don't worry about the bulpip bacchi......she is another one of those useless armchair pundits who live a parasitical existence sucking off the imperial/foreign policy complex of US.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 May 2011 21:13

What is BULLPIP bitchy?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 May 2011 21:20

krithivas wrote:http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... r-weapons/
It is obvious why Pakistan feels it needs nuclear weapons — only through their power can they hope to stave off an attack by the much more economically and military powerful Indians. They will never give them up. But the risk posed by leaving the ultimate weapon in such obviously unreliable hands cannot be overstated. For the sake of the world’s safety, we must hope that the United States keeps a close eye on where these weapons are stored, and is prepared to do what’s necessary to prevent them from ever falling into the wrong hands — even if that involves the rapid, surgical use of some of America’s own stockpile of nuclear warheads to destroy the bunkers where Pakistan keeps theirs.

For the sake of the world’s safety, they should have been discussing this 30 years ago when they encouraged the jihad worldwide from afghanistan. Were was the world safety at that time. When arming Paksatan and ignoring nuclear proliferation by AQ Khan/PRC- Were was the world safety. These guys want to talk about world safety.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 May 2011 21:22

Pakistan has repeatedly tried to reassure the world that its arsenal is safe and secure, and a 2008 U.S.

Pakistan has also said that OBL was probably in the Tribal areas. But low and behold, OBL was found residing in a city, home to military training academies, retired military personnel and arms manufacturers. Coincidence, I don't think so. Credibility is the least of Pakistan's problems, because if the USA physically entered their territory (as opposed to using a drone), without permission, the precedent has been established for further incursions if needed.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 May 2011 21:36

SSridhar wrote:First reactions from Pakistan: Gilani says it's a 'great victory'
Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani told AFP in an interview on Monday that the US killing of Osama bin Laden, not far from the Pakistani capital, was a “great victory”.

“We will not allow our soil to be used against any other country for terrorism and therefore I think it’s a great victory, it’s a success and I congratulate the success of this operation,” he said.

Asked about the extent to which Pakistan cooperated in the operation he said: “I don’t know the details, I don’t know minute details, but in short we have intelligence cooperation”.

Earlier on Monday, President Asif Ali Zardari held emergency talks with Prime Minister Gilani and security chiefs in Islamabad following US confirmation that Osama bin Laden had been killed.
Even as Zardari, Gilani & Kayani huddled together this morning, it has been reported that Punjab CM, Shahbaz Sharif, met Kayani last night for an hour. Kayani has forbidden contacts between the PA and politicians, but he frequently meets the Punjab CM.
Punjab Chief Minister Mian Shahbaz Sharif held a meeting with Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani here at the Army House on Sunday night, a reliable source told Dawn.

The source said Mr Shahbaz Sharif landed at the Benazir Bhutto International Airport on a special flight at around 9.45pm along with his private secretary. Later, Mr Shahbaz set aside police protocol and left for the meeting without his secretary.

The source said the chief minister and Gen Kayani exchanged views on different issues, including the security situation.

The meeting lasted over one hour. Shortly after the CM’s plane landed at the airport, the Punjab House in Rawalpindi was searched by the Special Branch and police were put on alert.

However, there was no activity at the Punjab House till the filing of this report.

The meeting between Shahbaz Sharif and the army chief was held at a time when President Asif Ali Zardari was in his first session with leaders of the Pakistan Muslim League-Q at the Presidency.

Regime change in TSP planned?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 02 May 2011 21:38

shiv wrote:What is BULLPIP bitchy?

christine fair. she referred to herself as the "bulpip bacchi", whatever that means.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 May 2011 21:40

If they sense a large pro OBL movement and likelyhood for attacks against the govt then they might do a regime change.

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 May 2011 21:44

So Helicopters took off from Afg and flew low to avoid radars and accomplished the task. I wonder whether the recent incidents of violation of Pak sovirginity by US helis were related to this mission. You know, "testing the waters".

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 May 2011 21:49

partha wrote:So Helicopters took off from Afg and flew low to avoid radars and accomplished the task. I wonder whether the recent incidents of violation of Pak sovirginity by US helis were related to this mission. You know, "testing the waters".

I am sure they flew low. But I am even more sure that the US has the tech to blind/spoof Paki radars. Shakinah depends on that.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 21:49

Pakistanis are themselves claiming that the launch off point was Tarbela

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 02 May 2011 21:55

So all news articles are saying that the ISI/paki army/govt wasn't informed about the attack. NPR correspondent from white house even said that in the past, such information led to the targets being informed and allowed to escape before the attack !

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 02 May 2011 21:55

Christopher Hitches puts it as it is...

The martyr of Abbottabad is no more, and the competing Führer-complexes of his surviving underlings will perhaps now enjoy an exciting free rein. Yet the uniformed and anonymous patrons of that sheltered Abbottabad compound are still very much with us, and Obama's speech will be entirely worthless if he expects us to go on arming and financing the very people who made this trackdown into such a needlessly long, arduous and costly one.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 02 May 2011 22:01

If OBL has really been removed from the scene, it actually destabilizes TSP more. The processes of radicalization will actually accelerate, since the top brass of TSPA will in general now be seen as "betrayers". Therefore they will split along any pre-existing internal factions and the pro-radical faction will now try to clear its name and this means some "spectacular" action to revive morale of "Jihadists". India should be game.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 May 2011 22:14

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/ ... GF20110502
Analysis: In Pakistan, embarrassed silence on killing

Pakistan faced enormous embarrassment on Monday after Osama bin Laden was killed by U.S. Special Forces, raising questions over whether its military and intelligence were too incompetent to catch him themselves or knew all along where he was hiding.

The killing of the world's most-wanted man in a house just a few kilometers from Pakistan's version of the West Point military academy will only fuel suspicions that the country has been playing a double game over Islamist militants and al Qaeda.

Analysts say it would be a stretch to believe Pakistan's spy agency did not know bin Laden was living in a town just a couple of hours up the road from Islamabad: if it did know, the country was essentially caught red-handed shielding him from capture.

"There will be a lot of tension between Washington and Islamabad because bin Laden seems to have been living here close to Islamabad," said Imtiaz Gul, a Pakistani security analyst. "This is a serious blow to the credibility of Pakistan."

SNARED BEHIND PAKISTAN'S BACK

Washington has in the past accused Pakistan of maintaining ties to militants targeting U.S. troops in neighboring Afghanistan. Relations soured further in recent months over U.S. drone attacks and CIA activities in the country that have fueled anti-American sentiment.

For years, however, Pakistan had maintained it did not know bin Laden's whereabouts, vowing that if Washington had actionable intelligence, its military and security agencies would act on it.

In October 2009, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton voiced dismay that bin Laden and other prominent militants had not yet been caught and suggested Pakistani complicity, telling newspaper editors in Lahore she found it "hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn't get them if they really wanted to."

Neither Pakistan's spy agency, the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), nor its military spokesmen returned repeated calls for comment on Monday. Adding to the silence, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani have said nothing publicly about the operation.

Bin Laden was killed in a dramatic night-time raid by U.S. helicopters on his hideout in Abbottabad, home to Pakistan's main military academy.

President Barack Obama, speaking in a hastily announced late-night news conference, said cooperation from Pakistan had helped lead U.S. forces to bin Laden. But American and Pakistani sources familiar with details of the operation said U.S. forces had snared bin Laden virtually behind Pakistan's back.

That the mastermind of the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States was not hiding in mountains along the border but in relative comfort in a town hosting the main military school and home to scores of officers will bolster those who have long argued that Pakistan has been playing a duplicitous hand.

"The evidence suggests it was done totally by the Americans, and the Pakistan military, they have been informed at the 11th hour," said Hassan Askari Rizvi, an independent political analyst.

"There is distrust between the two intelligence agencies and ... this is very similar to what the Americans did when they fired missiles on Osama's training camps in August 1998."

At that time, the United States gave Islamabad just 90 minutes' notice that it would retaliate for two embassy bombings in Africa because it was worried Pakistan would tip off the Afghan Taliban, who in turn could have warned bin Laden.

"This operation was conducted by the U.S. forces in accordance with the U.S. policy of hunting down Osama wherever he was supposed to be," said Wajid Shamsul Hasan, Pakistan High Commissioner to Britain, speaking to Sky News. "They successfully eliminated him and subsequently they informed the president of Pakistan this morning of the event."

BACKLASH POSSIBLE IN PAKISTAN

Just how much the Pakistani military knew of the raid on bin Laden's mansion hideout is not clear.

For one thing, analysts say, it would have been difficult for the U.S. Special Forces to act without some logistical military assistance on the ground.

It is also possible that Pakistan allowed the operation to go ahead as part of a deal with Washington on its stake in the endgame in Afghanistan, where U.S. troops are due to start withdrawing in July after nearly 10 years of war.

But the government and security agencies had one strong reason for staying silent and letting Washington take the credit for the raid: fear of a public backlash for working so closely with the United States to nab a man who has in the past been popular in Pakistan.

Hours after the assault, about 200 Islamists held a rally in the city of Quetta in the southwestern province of Baluchistan to condemn the killing of bin Laden. The protesters, from a small Islamist party, chanted "down with America," and "Long live Osama bin Laden."

"He was a great holy warrior," said Mufti Kifayatullah, a lawmaker from Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam, a hardline Islamic group, said while speaking in the provincial assembly in Peshawar. "Osama was the name of an ideology and an ideology does not die with the death of a person. Today was the blackest day in the history of Pakistan."

Popular news anchors with alleged ties to the spy agencies referred on air to bin Laden as a "shaheed," or martyr.

And Imran Khan, the cricketer-turned-populist-politician, said Washington should immediately end the war in Afghanistan because Pakistan would pay the price for bin Laden's death.

"There will be a backlash from supporters of Osama bin Laden, who will think Pakistan has a role in it, and secondly there will be a pressure from America because of the very fact that he (Laden) was found in Pakistan," he told Geo TV.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 May 2011 22:21

How does Imran mia explain OBL in Abbotabad when all his Army backers were claiming he is in FATA?WANA badlands or even dead? First explain that.

We need to look at urdu press reports and any TSPA- Pak politician nexus reprots.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 May 2011 22:46

partha wrote:So Helicopters took off from Afg and flew low to avoid radars and accomplished the task. I wonder whether the recent incidents of violation of Pak sovirginity by US helis were related to this mission. You know, "testing the waters".

shiv wrote: I am sure they flew low. But I am even more sure that the US has the tech to blind/spoof Paki radars. Shakinah depends on that.

They probably spoofed Paki IFFs and transponders too. I wouldn't be surprised if someone impersonating Ashphuck called the base on a secure line asking them to stand down. Remember that the Pakis are using equipment from US baksheesh.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 02 May 2011 22:48

Calling all Birathers...Zaid Hamid is back...his take on OBL Death

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 May 2011 22:57

X Posted from the ISI News and Discussion thread,

There is a lot of speculation in the Western Media that the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, particularly its intelligence arm the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISI aka ISID, was protecting the Islamic Terrorist Osama Bin Laden who was executed today by the US in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan where he had taken refuge,

Simon Tisdall in the Guardian‘s Blog site. Do check out the comments:

Osama bin Laden's death will haunt Pakistan : Bin Laden's discovery in a compound 35 miles from Islamabad is a dangerous embarrassment for Pakistan and the ISI

George Eaton in the New Statesman:

All eyes on Pakistan : Almost no one believes that the ISI could not have known of the whereabouts of bin Laden

David Wallechinsky in AllGov:

Were Pakistani Forces Protecting Osama bin Laden?

Aryn Baker in Time Magazine‘s Blog:

Bin Laden's Death: What This Means for Pakistan's ISI

Jon Boone and Ian Black also in the Guardian:

Death of Osama bin Laden puts pressure on Pakistan :Allegations of complicity within Pakistani intelligence services after al-Qaida leader discovered to have been living near capital

The Yorkshire Post:

Was Pakistan intelligence protecting Bin Laden?

Ramin · Post by **Ramin** » 02 May 2011 23:00

congratulations to US and Pakistan for the capture

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 02 May 2011 23:08

Ramin wrote:congratulations to US and Pakistan for the capture

Why thank TSP, Ramin ji?

for serving as condom-state for USA? or for harbouring OBL for so many years.. TSP is thankless entity and burden on earth.. Of everybody, Bangladeshi brothers should know this clearly and without any doubts. TSP was harbouring OBL just like it is harbouring most of the high profile jihadi terrorists knowingly. Nothing they have done for betterment of humanity to thank them..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 May 2011 23:34

So 24hrs after the big raid there isnt any indicents in TSP? All quiet in Isloo and Pinid excpet for chana explosions?

The Karachi celebrations were about MQM and not OBL.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 02 May 2011 23:40

Hundreds join first Pakistan rally to honour bin Laden

QUETTA, Pakistan — Hundreds took to the streets of Pakistan's city of Quetta on Monday to pay homage to Osama bin Laden, chanting death to America and setting fire to a US flag, witnesses and organisers said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... Kb9HFIiJBA

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 May 2011 23:43

Thats the Taliban hq of the Quetta (kutta) Shura.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 May 2011 23:44

Lalmasjid may look like a picnic now

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 02 May 2011 23:48

Inconceivable Osama had no support in Pakistan: White House
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/ ... 2520110502

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 May 2011 01:31

I wonder if the guys in the west get the pun that guys from here dish out.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 03 May 2011 02:27

Foreign Policy mag has compiled a decade worth of lie by Pakis about OBL.

Osama bin Who? A decade of denials and downplaying from Pakistani leaders.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ma_bin_who

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2011 02:28

PTI did the same with a report from Islamabad! That takes more guts.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 03 May 2011 03:29

Mute government angers Pakistan

The Pakistani government’s decision to disassociate itself from Monday morning’s raid in which Osama bin Laden was killed has sparked anger in political circles in this country, not so much his killing. After going into a huddle at 11am on Monday, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani announced that bin Laden’s death was a “significant victory for Pakistan”. The meeting was attended by President Asif Ali Zardari, Gilani, Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani and ISI chief Lt Gen Shuja Pasha.

Soon after, the foreign office issued a statement saying the operation was conducted solely by American forces and that US President Barack Obama phoned Zardari soon after the operation to inform him about it.

“This operation was conducted by the US forces in accordance with the declared US policy that Osama bin Laden would be eliminated in a direct action by the US forces, wherever found in the world,” the foreign office statement said.
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Opposition leader Shahbaz Sharif said the operation was an attack on Pakistan's sovereignty.

“We have a right to know what happened and what cooperation Pakistan provided the Americans,” he said.

Right now, few in the government are willing to give out that information. On the Pakistani streets, the reaction to bin Laden's death too has been muted.
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Tehreek-e-Insaf leader Imran Khan and former president Pervez Musharraf condemned the American action but agreed that Bin Laden's death would go a long way in the fight terrorism.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 03 May 2011 03:32

ramana wrote:PTI did the same with a report from Islamabad! That takes more guts.

Is that recent? I haven't seen the report.

Ramin · Post by **Ramin** » 03 May 2011 03:48

Atri wrote:
Ramin wrote:congratulations to US and Pakistan for the capture
Why thank TSP, Ramin ji?

for serving as condom-state for USA? or for harbouring OBL for so many years.. TSP is thankless entity and burden on earth.. Of everybody, Bangladeshi brothers should know this clearly and without any doubts. TSP was harbouring OBL just like it is harbouring most of the high profile jihadi terrorists knowingly. Nothing they have done for betterment of humanity to thank them..

Obama was in high praise of US forces and Pakistani authorities --which I assume means civilian and milly/intel

as critical as everyone is on Pak, I dont think they'd have any incentive to protect OBL. He was more a liability for the whole region

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 03 May 2011 03:50

pakis had lot riding on saving OBL. They were protecting him for last 1oyrs and they werent planing to give him up.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2011 03:56

Nandu wrote:
ramana wrote:PTI did the same with a report from Islamabad! That takes more guts.
Is that recent? I haven't seen the report.

Try this.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 3#p1082133