News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 May 2011 03:10

Another winner:

Abbottabad residents startled by events

They say they had no idea that the fortress-like compound in a quiet neighborhood housed Osama bin Laden, the most wanted man in the world.

ISI is THAT good?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2011 03:10

Airavat wrote: Posted on The News 3 Hours ago:

ABBOTTABAD: Three loud blasts were heard near the Pakistan Military Academy (PMA) Kakul Road late Sunday night and a military helicopter also crashed. Sources told Geo News that heavy firing was heard in the area before the chopper crashed.

Windowpanes of the nearby buildings and houses were smashed due to the intensity of the blasts, the sources said. Eyewitnesses said first sound of heavy firing was heard and then there was a huge blast. Fire erupted at the scene of the occurrence and according to latest reports police and fire brigade teams were rushing towards the blast scene. Security forces cordoned off the entire area and military helicopters were also hovering over the area.

Airavat, Is there a link for this? So we can time stamp it.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 May 2011 03:13

RajeshA wrote:Just heard Colin Powell in the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer on CNN!

Colin Powell too seemed uneasy about putting any blame on Pakistanis, saying "we don't know as yet!"

Powell commited the the orginal sin while working for president Bush . He has many "old friends" in that region, inc Mushy . This naturally makes him cautious to mention their names because sooner or latter his own name will pop up in assoication with these "goodfellas". I think he is the man responsible for Kunduz air lift as he did not want NA to capture Kabul.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 May 2011 03:15

ramana wrote:To me the odd thing is the total silence from Pindi and I'Bad.

The ticker line on the Times now is that
Pakistan is on the verge of being declared a terrorist state.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/0 ... 56584.html

And that was before the bin Laden killing raised alarm bells on Capitol Hill, where lawmakers are unlikely to want to fork over up to $3 billion a year in aid to a suspect partner.

“Before we send another dime, we need to know whether Pakistan truly stands with us in the fight against terrorism,” said Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), a member of the appropriations subcommittee that oversees foreign operations. “Until Congress and the American public are assured that the Pakistani government is not shielding terrorists, financial aid to Pakistan should be suspended.”

Cutting off diplomatic ties is another matter, though.

A State Department official who spoke on background with HuffPost said that while “the easy temptation is to suggest this drives an enormous wedge into the relationship,” both sides are taking caution not to jeopardize counterterrorism and intelligence-sharing efforts that are still bearing fruit.

“The idea that [bin Laden’s killing] means it’s more or less over, we can go home now -- that’s a reaction I have not heard” in the diplomatic headquarters in Foggy Bottom, the official said.

Still, much will hinge on what happens in neighboring Afghanistan as U.S. troop levels begin to draw down, and whether Afghan President Hamid Karzai can reconcile with the Taliban on both sides of the porous border. “It’s a little too early to tell,” what the long-term prognosis for the relationship is, the official said.

Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, said “things will be awkward” for some time. “It will remain one of the most fraught and difficult bilateral relationship that exists in the world today,” he said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2011 03:19

Prem wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Just heard Colin Powell in the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer on CNN!

Colin Powell too seemed uneasy about putting any blame on Pakistanis, saying "we don't know as yet!"
Powell commited the the orginal sin while working for president Bush . He has many "old friends" in that region, inc Mushy . This naturally makes him cautious to mention their names because sooner or latter his own name will pop up in assoication with these "goodfellas". I think he is the man responsible for Kunduz air lift as he did not want NA to capture Kabul.

Total Shani effect. Big big figures are exposed for the little minds they have.

Any way what is the spin for all those tapes from OBL always surfacing in TSP and broadcast on Al Jazzera!

John · Post by **John** » 03 May 2011 03:20

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42860415/ns ... bin_laden/

"At same time Pakistan has been responsible for capturing and killing more terrorists in pakistan than any other country," he said.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 03 May 2011 03:24

Bin Laden’s Death Likely to Deepen Suspicions of Pakistan By JANE PERLEZ

The killing of Osama bin Laden deep inside Pakistan in an American operation, almost in plain sight in a medium-sized city that hosts numerous Pakistani forces, seems certain to further inflame tensions between the United States and Pakistan and raise significant questions about whether elements of the Pakistani spy agency knew the whereabouts of the leader of Al Qaeda.

The presence of Bin Laden in Pakistan, something Pakistani officials have long dismissed, goes to the heart of the lack of trust Washington has felt over the last 10 years with its contentious ally, the Pakistani military and its powerful spy partner, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency.
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“The fundamental challenge is: How does the West treat Pakistan from now on?” said Amrullah Saleh, the former intelligence director for Afghanistan and a fierce foe of Pakistan.

Still, it was too soon to say whether Bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad reflected Pakistani complicity or incompetence.
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At the very least, Bin Laden’s death in Pakistan now will be highly embarrassing to the country’s military and intelligence establishment.
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General Kayani appears to be less enthusiastic about the alliance with the United States because he is under pressure from his senior generals, according to Pakistani officials who keep in touch with the military. About half of the 11 corps commanders, the generals who make up the senior command, have questioned the wisdom of the alliance, according to the officials. Some of the younger mid-ranking officers — majors and captains — seem to have more sympathy for the militants than enthusiasm for the idea of fighting them, they said.
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Another major irritant has been the failure of the Pakistani military to heed the calls of the United States to quash the Qaeda-linked militants known as the Haqqani network, which is given a free hand by the Pakistanis in North Waziristan.
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Bin Laden was an irritant, too, now removed. American officials have speculated over the last few years whether some Pakistani officials in the spy agency knew the whereabouts of Bin Laden. When asked, many Pakistani ISI officials nearly always gave the same answer: Bin Laden was dead. Or they insisted that they did not know where he was.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 03 May 2011 03:29

John wrote:Lets recap it looks like he was literally holed up literally in a fortress.
The compound in Abbottabad was 4 km's from a military base with radar installations, which indicates some sort of sat/ground observation done by US forces for a year to get around it.
There were multiple military checkpoints in the city .
The compound itself had 2 walls, barbed wire,5 armored suvs etc.
The house was purchased 10 years ago (so was it planned out as part of Sept 11?) and he likely moved there after Tora Bora.

Karza now looks like a genius since he was saying his intel reported that he was in Islamabad .

From what I am hearing this house is actually in the general Cantonment area, though outside the physical military academy.
Also construction in this area needs Army approval and is restricted. Someone really high up the chain must have approved the construction and its resident.
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/kpsgill/t ... e07Pio.htm

KPS Gill certainly knows what he is talking about in 2008:

Despite the experience of the post-9/11 age, Washington continues to view Al Qaeda as the most serious threat to the US. Similarly, Britain's MI5 speaks of as many as 30 'active plots' in the UK, most of which have links back to Al Qaeda in Pakistan. In the process, the real devil -- Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence -- is studiedly ignored

In all this, there is a studied neglect of the realities of the ground, particularly of the fact that Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) -- as an organ of the country's military and political establishment -- has been, and remains, the principal source of the impetus, the infrastructure and the organisational networks of Islamist terrorism across the world. Historically, it is now common knowledge, it was the ISI that created virtually the entire structure of Islamist terrorist groupings behind the global jihad, which has now proliferated in new areas through the agency of various proxies. This includes Al Qaeda, and the entire spectrum of affiliates that continues to operate, with varying degrees of freedom, from Pakistani soil more than six-and-a-half years after 9/11.

The reality is, there is no such thing as Islamist terrorism. To understand the position correctly, we need to recognise that there is only ISI terror that has been dubbed as 'Islamist terror'. What we have, on the ground, is the proliferation of Pakistani terrorism, strategically compounded across new areas of disorder by networks loosely affiliated with their Pakistani sources. If Pakistani state support to so-called Islamist terrorism ended today, it would not be long before the various terrorist groups atrophied and withered away, lacking safe havens, institutional support and training infrastructure, and the vast ideological resources that have been brought to bear on the so-called global jihad. This does not, of course, mean that no Islamist terrorist incident whatsoever would then be possible.

The Taliban, Al Keeda are just front and back ends of ISI. Slowly this realization is dawning on West.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 May 2011 03:36

Karna_A wrote:

The Taliban, Al Keeda are just front and back ends of ISI. Slowly this realization is dawning on West.

They know it since they were part of the team during inception

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 May 2011 03:50

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/0 ... tml#273024

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 May 2011 03:53

putnanja wrote:Eye on UP polls, Digvijay slams Osama's sea burial
[According to an agency report, Singh said, "However big a criminal one might be, his religious traditions should be respected while burying him."..
Is it the popular sentiment among Indians, or only among UPites, or only among muslims? If they implied "among muslims", is TOI/Digvijay saying that most of Indian muslims support Osama, even though many muslim leaders have welcomed his killing?

This explain the Biryani etc for terroists and not grass for them. He most probably practice " islamist terrorist devo bhava". From now on people like him be titled PDF=Pathetic Demented(dhimmi) Fools of Indian Secular School.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 May 2011 03:54

Acharya wrote:
ramana wrote:To me the odd thing is the total silence from Pindi and I'Bad.
The ticker line on the Times now is that
Pakistan is on the verge of being declared a terrorist state.

How can you declare a friendly country that just helped kill the greatest evil a terrorist state?

As a good gesture, US will help Pakistan by moving some troops from Afghanistan to bring some security to the great nation. Just like they provided security to all top level officials and politicians in Afghanistan, US will provide security to security to top officials like ISI cheif and politicians like PM and President. Incidentally somebody insulted president in this thread as Mr.25%, US will bring his honor back to Mr.10%. Also to reduce threats to fine organizations like JEM, US will have close observers and monitors in those organizations.

In next 50 years, US will make Pakistan a model US state for all countries west of Pakistan.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 03 May 2011 03:55

It's really a Saudi-ISI nexus. The realization is not "slowly dawning" on West (well not anyone who was in charge of anything). It's more like it grew beyond what the US wanted and bit the hand that fed it. It was created as a weapon against the Soviets and they have been trying to control the blowback.

The only reason the ISI has been kept around is because of institutional inertia in US foreign policy establishment. The true realization that has occurred is that this jihadi weapon is to unstable to be reliable. They have to contain it but since that is unlikely they will work to dismantle it. They will have to use other means vs the Chinese.

It will be interesting to see if the Chinese themselves attempt to pick up and use the discarded weapon. They have been making tentative steps.

The Islamification of UK and some of Europe is a spectacular example of "chickens coming home to roost". US has controlled that blowback far better.

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 03 May 2011 03:57

Wolf Blitzer has just screwed Paki Ambassador to US Haqqani... ..in CNN

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 May 2011 03:58

ramana wrote:
Airavat wrote: Posted on The News 3 Hours ago:

ABBOTTABAD: Three loud blasts were heard near the Pakistan Military Academy (PMA) Kakul Road late Sunday night and a military helicopter also crashed. Sources told Geo News that heavy firing was heard in the area before the chopper crashed.

Windowpanes of the nearby buildings and houses were smashed due to the intensity of the blasts, the sources said. Eyewitnesses said first sound of heavy firing was heard and then there was a huge blast. Fire erupted at the scene of the occurrence and according to latest reports police and fire brigade teams were rushing towards the blast scene. Security forces cordoned off the entire area and military helicopters were also hovering over the area.

Airavat, Is there a link for this? So we can time stamp it.

PakiPost: http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... t=5/2/2011

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2011 03:59

Even the KSA elements are foot soldiers to the ISI apparatus. The TSPA/ISI have fooled all of them into thinking they are fighting jihad while in reality they are fighting for the Pak goals. So no raisins/waisins. Only death and burial at sea to feed the sharks.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 03 May 2011 04:00

prithvi wrote:Wolf Blitzer has just screwed Paki Ambassador to US Haqqani... ..in CNN

can you please provide a brief summary?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 May 2011 04:00

prithvi wrote:Wolf Blitzer has just screwed Paki Ambassador to US Haqqani... ..in CNN

That should not be very difficult. That the US news media starts asking real questions to the real people would be a good progress.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 May 2011 04:01

Paki Ambassador to US Haqqani says that ISI/Army was not supporting and sheltering Osama, but Pakistan society was. He used the word "Pakistan society"

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2011 04:02

All of last night Wolf Blitzer was spouting the line that TSP helped in the raid while all other channels were telling the truth!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 May 2011 04:04

ramana wrote:All of last night Wolf Blitzer was spouting the line that TSP helped in the raid while all other channels were telling the truth!

This confusion has to be exploited further by the Indian channels. Zaid H was saying the same thing and they had not prepared for this extraordinary global focus and scrutiny to this. They are numb and time is right to hit them harder

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 03 May 2011 04:04

CNN is reporting (as of now) that Bin Laden had stayed at this Abottabad location for at least 3 years, perhaps more.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 03 May 2011 04:04

Anujan wrote:Paki Ambassador to US Haqqani says that ISI/Army was not supporting and sheltering Osama, but Pakistan society was. He used the word "Pakistan society"

Absolutely shameless

on a lighter note:

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 03 May 2011 04:06

Bin Laden would not have stayed put in one place for so many years if he was on the run. This means he believed himself to be under the protection of the Pakistani military. (This is one argument I haven't seen made).

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 May 2011 04:07

The printout, containing a picture, in front of Mrs. Clinton has been doctored - for good reason i would imagine.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 03 May 2011 04:08

Chris Matthews calling this a loss-loss situation for Pakistan. If they claim they did not know he lived in Pakistan so close to the academy, it is a loss of face. If they knew it then why did they not react. An MSNBC expert calling this "embarrassing" to Pakistan. Another expert calls Pakistan a "Police State" and says there is no way someone in ISI or Army was not protecting OBL. Calls this a "bad news" for Pakistan.

The USA media seems to have all but not called pakistan the "Terrorist State of Pakistan". The number of negative words thrown in ever sentence is refreshing. How long will this last?

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 03 May 2011 04:08

NRao, the note accompanying the photo release said it was a classified document that was masked out.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 May 2011 04:09

UBanerjee wrote:

That should read:

I was too busy getting the death certificate for Osama.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 May 2011 04:10

NRao wrote:The printout, containing a picture, in front of Mrs. Clinton has been doctored - for good reason i would imagine.

That is the compound map. Somebody can recreate it and get the dimension on the map and also get an idea what is the resolution of the Sat foto

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 May 2011 04:10

Nandu wrote:NRao, the note accompanying the photo release said it was a classified document that was masked out.

Thanks.

BTW, did anyone hear that Donald Trump has been asking for the death cert of Osama?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 03 May 2011 04:11

Who in US MSM will connect 9/11 and TSP ? That will be the day to celebrate.

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 03 May 2011 04:13

putnanja wrote:
prithvi wrote:Wolf Blitzer has just screwed Paki Ambassador to US Haqqani... ..in CNN
can you please provide a brief summary?

While I try to find the archived video of the interview... here is another Great Pakistani Laughter Show..

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestof ... cnn?hpt=C2

btw...can't we embed any other video than youtube and google video..?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2011 04:17

SwamyG wrote:Who in US MSM will connect 9/11 and TSP ? That will be the day to celebrate.

Hillary Clinton did that on NDTV in Delhi. The link is there in the KS memorial thread..

She said" 9/11 was planed in Pakistan!"*

But nobody paid attention.

* Maybe they thought it ment toilet.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 May 2011 04:17

The MKI look. With canards.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 May 2011 04:18

ramana wrote:To me the odd thing is the total silence from Pindi and I'Bad.

They must be seriously praying Allah that the whole world forgets OBL immediately and forever.

Whoever trying to undermine Paki involvement in this operation are looking after Paki interests. IMHO, Pakis are neck deep in this operation and are the main culprits in selling out OBL for their fortunes. They did the same before to Taliban and they will do the same to any other internal/external player that trust them.

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 03 May 2011 04:21

the unthinkable has happened.. Rush Limbaugh has praised Obama....

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 03 May 2011 04:22

RamaY wrote:
ramana wrote:To me the odd thing is the total silence from Pindi and I'Bad.
They must be seriously praying Allah that the whole world forgets OBL immediately and forever.

Whoever trying to undermine Paki involvement in this operation are looking after Paki interests. IMHO, Pakis are neck deep in this operation and are the main culprits in selling out OBL for their fortunes. They did the same before to Taliban and they will do the same to any other internal/external player that trust them.

I suspect an immediate stage managed... Terrorist Attack in Pakistan..to draw some sympathy...to show they are also victim ...etc. etc... I am almost 100% sure of this..

sorry to make it bold .. but what do the elders think of this as a possibility..?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 May 2011 04:23

NRao wrote:Another winner:

Abbottabad residents startled by events

They say they had no idea that the fortress-like compound in a quiet neighborhood housed Osama bin Laden, the most wanted man in the world.
ISI is THAT good?

What if (like some post/er said) ISI moved OBL to that compound very recently? Probably his family is held there all these days. OBL has many wives and Unkil didn't go after rest of the family before....

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 May 2011 04:26

Acharya wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/0 ... tml#273024

This pic looks as if they are watching the raid LIVE

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 03 May 2011 04:30

Ramana wrote:To me the odd thing is the total silence from Pindi and I'Bad.

Apparently the Navy Seals had taken a boat load of material (computer, DVDs etc) from OBL hideout. It will probably reveal the minutest detail of Bin Laden network, his contacts, his past/future plans, his investments, investors, well wishers, beneficiaries etc. Quite possibly they would have also taken the tapes from the entry control camera if it existed.

The information obtained is so huge that have already formed a separate task force to scrub, analyze and glean information out of it. Pakis cannot lie their way out of this especially from the US. The only option may be "Ultimate surrender" in this regard.