News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 03 May 2011 18:07

SSridhar wrote:hulaku, Mullah Omar will never be handed over by Pakistan. This has been discussed here.

That is a valuable historical point. Did not know that.

So Zawhiri it should be.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 03 May 2011 18:12

Rahul M wrote:
Pranav wrote: "Bhartis started threatening us but we were not cowed and they had to back off etc ..."

Besides points by Aditya.
none of those comments will be taken as 'threatening us', however much TSPA might spin it.

The Proganda machines in Pakistan, WKK and Western Capital thrive on perceived threats from EVIL Yindoos and use it in Diplomatic sessions to browbeat our Miltary. No one cares about what the PAki media spins but thier outlandish theories are immediatly bought by WKK and Western media crowd.

Best we stay out of picture and fire the odd missile/shell taking out the United Jehad council one fine day in a meeting at Muzaffarabad.

armenon · Post by **armenon** » 03 May 2011 18:15

That dish antenna sitting on top of that shed in front of the building could be an antenna for a VSAT point to point connection which can be used for encrypted voice calls and data.

Voila, Connection problem to pindi GHQ is solved.

OTOH it could be used by the night watchman to see the Indian tv serials.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 May 2011 18:30

Aditya_V wrote: The Proganda machines in Pakistan, WKK and Western Capital thrive on perceived threats from EVIL Yindoos and use it in Diplomatic sessions to browbeat our Miltary. No one cares about what the PAki media spins but thier outlandish theories are immediatly bought by WKK and Western media crowd.

Best we stay out of picture and fire the odd missile/shell taking out the United Jehad council one fine day in a meeting at Muzaffarabad.

ACM Naik's reaction was a simple 'yes, we can' to a question about whether we can mount a similar operation. what do you think he should have said ? 'no we are not competent enough' or words to that effect or an even stranger 'no comments'.

let's not invent problems where there are none.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 03 May 2011 18:33

Another data point is the behavior of Mushy since OBL capture. He is singing patriotic TSP tune even though he depends on the west for his exile. Are the docs taken from Abbotabad safe house containing something on him. Will he be the fall guy for PA-ISI who will blame him for hiding OBL and he can go to a safe house and become a taliban himself.
We need to analyze this.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 03 May 2011 18:35

i wonder if the PAF F-16's suffered from any unusual defects last night, in their avionics systems in particular? mention is made of "assets" being mobilised with the implication that its aircraft, but not solahs
given that the op lasted 40 mins, that is time enough to launch any QRT solahs's on the deck?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 03 May 2011 18:38

Did Pakistan sign CISMOA and LSA etc agreement with USA? Unkil could easily jam the signals then, I suppose.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 03 May 2011 18:39

MSNBC, Chuck Todd is tying to hang Pakistan, and the Senator is a weasel; talking BS and trying to not pin TSP on P. So both MSNBC and Fox are ripping Pakistan. Like Seth Meyers joked, MSNBC drinks the kool-aid Obama makes; there must be some green signal from the top leadership to the media to pull Pakistan over the coal.

The negative attention Pakistan is getting is refreshing and yet sounds fishy.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 03 May 2011 18:42

Rahul M wrote:
Aditya_V wrote: The Proganda machines in Pakistan, WKK and Western Capital thrive on perceived threats from EVIL Yindoos and use it in Diplomatic sessions to browbeat our Miltary. No one cares about what the PAki media spins but thier outlandish theories are immediatly bought by WKK and Western media crowd.

Best we stay out of picture and fire the odd missile/shell taking out the United Jehad council one fine day in a meeting at Muzaffarabad.
ACM Naik's reaction was a simple 'yes, we can' to a question about whether we can mount a similar operation. what do you think he should have said ? 'no we are not competent enough' or words to that effect or an even stranger 'no comments'.

let's not invent problems where there are none.

Ok, lets leave at that then

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 03 May 2011 18:51

Times Now: Osama's youngest wife with was a doctor- a strategic move so that his medical issues had good attention.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 03 May 2011 18:52

In what way Pakistan/pakistanis deserves better fate then Iraq/Iraqis when they harbored Mortal enemy of Unkil?

When Unkil would learn if you give milk to a snake it would give only poison.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 03 May 2011 18:52

Rahul M wrote: ACM Naik's reaction was a simple 'yes, we can' to a question about whether we can mount a similar operation.

Logic hardly matters. Anything can and will be spun as a threat, such as Deepak Kapoor's remark about a "two-front war." At this moment, keeping a low profile publicly will serve Indian interests, imho.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 03 May 2011 18:54

What unit flag was Anishs referring to in this pic 6? if it is about that blue yellow and red thing....I guess its the crane hook/pulley whatever...am I missing some thing?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 May 2011 18:55

fizaya lore has it that steely eyed pilots are sitting on end of runways on a 2 min hot scramble alert 24x7 to repel the kafir banias...and "300 heavily armed a.c can take to the air in a few mins"

either that is 301% false or the pakis were told clearly to stay on the ground for the 40 mins + 1 hr egress time..after which they could scramble half a squadron...create sonic booms all over and show the world who was boss.

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 03 May 2011 18:57

chaanakya wrote:In what way Pakistan/pakistanis deserves better fate then Iraq/Iraqis when they harbored Mortal enemy of Unkil?

When Unkil would learn if you give milk to a snake it would give only poison.

1. Nukes in the hand of Pakis
2. No Proven Oil Reserve
3. Keeping India in hunt for more US weapons
4. Stopping Pakistan from falling fully into Chinese lap

these are few reasons that come to my mind

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 03 May 2011 18:57

Did bin Laden have kidney disease? - http://www.massdevice.com/news/did-bin- ... ey-disease

Osama Bin Laden’s Health May Remain A Mystery Even As Details Of His Death Are Released - http://blogs.forbes.com/davidwhelan/201 ... -released/

Now the CIA has produced a report saying that bin Laden has long-term kidney disease and may have only months to live, two U.S. officials familiar with the report told TIME. The agency ostensibly managed to get the names of some of the medications bin Laden is taking. One U.S. official familiar with the report, which came out between six and nine months ago, says it concluded, "Based on his current pharmaceutical intake, [we] would expect that he has no more than six to 18 months to live and impending kidney failure."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... z1LITn1tw9

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 May 2011 18:58

in which case you should stop blaming the ACM and start blaming pakistan. it's not his fault that pakistanis are loonies.

and in any case, 'no comments' would have had FAR worse fallout.

singha ji, it's the former. brenner's detailed comments make it clear that pakis were not told even during the incident as we had speculated but after it was over.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 03 May 2011 18:58

Actually it is most interesting why the Americans opted to name this operation - Operation Geronimo!

Geronimo was an Apache warrior who fought against the Whites and Mexicans in the Apache Wars for their intrusion into traditional Apache lands!

Was somebody trying to say, that they consider Osama bin Laden as one who intruded upon American Homeland, with his 9/11 attack, and like Geronimo, the Americans are fighting back!

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 03 May 2011 18:59

SwamyG wrote:MSNBC, Chuck Todd is tying to hang Pakistan, and the Senator is a weasel; talking BS and trying to not pin TSP on P. So both MSNBC and Fox are ripping Pakistan. Like Seth Meyers joked, MSNBC drinks the kool-aid Obama makes; there must be some green signal from the top leadership to the media to pull Pakistan over the coal.

The negative attention Pakistan is getting is refreshing and yet sounds fishy.

It would be wise for Indian Armed forces to be on alert status for some time. I would not be surprised if some "rogue" squadron tries to start a war with us. It is a possible ploy to divert attention towards Hindu India and stir up patriotic sentiments and support for the Army. A short war with India would not do any more damage than has been already done. From a Pakistan Army point of view its a decent option to gather domestic support and quench any doubts about who is in control.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 03 May 2011 19:01

Amongst all the papers there may be some test results from some kidney examinations or some treatments. There would most probably be some signatures of some doctors from the Pakistani Medical Corps Hospital nearby!

Perhaps the Americans need to investigate!

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 03 May 2011 19:01

I am expecting a Hollywood flick..GERONIMO

...which would be an Oscar winner

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 03 May 2011 19:03

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 152950.cms

US feared Pak could mistake American raid to kill Osama bin Laden for India attack

WASHINGTONl US President Obama and his national security team spent hairy moments in the White House Situation Room on Sunday worrying among other things that Pakistan would mistake the Osama-specific American commando raid on Abbottabad for an Indian attack.

In fact, a top US official disclosed in a briefing on Monday that the Pakistanis even scrambled their jets when they realized something was afoot in Abbottabad, but the US commandos finished their operation in 40 minutes and were out of there before the Pakistanis acted.

''The Pakistanis were reacting to an incident that they knew was taking place in Abbottabad. Therefore, they were scrambling some of their assets,'' US counterterrorism czar John Brennan revealed while providing some operational details of the mission. It was not clear if the ''assets'' Brennan referred to included just fighter jets or other options ranging from anti-aircraft fire to missiles.

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 03 May 2011 19:03

Questions:

1) American TV reports said that a wounded wifey was left behind. What happened to her? Dead? Alive? Where is she? is she the pathaan wifey? Any burial etc. for her?

2) Why the sudden burial at sea? Do you not want to keep DNA evidence for a long time? Maybe preserve his body and show off?

3) What happened to children in the compound?

4) Helis evaded Radar's, but still a persan in the compound can hear the helis and they can regroup and be ready. Why was OBL on the top floor with wifey? Why was he not out with his guns in a safer (lower floor)?

5) Was one heli enough to carry all the SEALS out?

6) Surely all the evidence cannot be collected in 40 minutes. Would it not make sence to make it a longer operation and clean the place off the evidence.

7) Why would the ISI and PA have this radioactive guy in their backyard? Why not place somewhere farther? That would be more deniable. I understand they cannot keep him hilly frontier areas, nor can they keep him in big cities like Karachi or Lahore. But there are plenty of small places. Even Balwaristan might have been a good place. Why here?

Can you tell from sky imaging how high the building is and how the internal architecture is?

It is indeed impressive that this building was already being monitored by amir kanis. Out of such a huge country and with a population of 180 million they could zero on this building is indeed impressive.

The courage of american is impressive, the SEAL team 6, the intel people, and also the politicians. This is america at its best. No doubt about that. The sheer tenacity and bold courage.

PS: TV reports said that this operation was like kids stuff for SEALS. Not a difficult one.

habal · Post by **habal** » 03 May 2011 19:05

Isn't 'Geronimo' the name of that skull lying at a Yale fraternity initiation centre. So do they propose to include the latest Geronimo skull into a similar initiation like hamne banaya aur hameene barbad kar diya buahahaha

saip · Post by **saip** » 03 May 2011 19:07

The movie would be named 'For God and Country, Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo'

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 03 May 2011 19:07

RajeshA wrote:Amongst all the papers there may be some test results from some kidney examinations or some treatments. There would most probably be some signatures of some doctors from the Pakistani Medical Corps Hospital nearby!

Perhaps the Americans need to investigate!

His youngest wife was a doctor. It should not be surprising if army top doctors were visiting him with portable equipments etc for treatments in general. For bigger ailments, night time visits to the academy could have been arranged. If there was collusion with ISI/ Army doctors, no papers may be available on his health unless those doctors themselves are arrested.
Expect PA army to move any one who had contact with OBL out of that area and resettle them elsewhere rapidly.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 03 May 2011 19:08

Actually, we can confirm if India was informed about this operation in advance or not by probing officers posted at Indo Pak border that if they have received any alert status from New Delhi prior to Operation Genorimo.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 03 May 2011 19:09

Venkarl wrote:
What unit flag was Anishs referring to in this pic 6? if it is about that blue yellow and red thing....I guess its the crane hook/pulley whatever...am I missing some thing?

Look at the embossed insignia on the heli body, sorrounded by sand. It looks like a coat of arms, in the shape of the Great Seal held by the Golden Eagle (USA)

Great Seal

Added: Didnt OBL declare himself to be beyond the laws of Islam or something? AFAIK he was a declared apostate.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 03 May 2011 19:10

habal wrote:Isn't 'Geronimo' the name of that skull lying at a Yale fraternity initiation centre. So do they propose to include the latest Geronimo skull into a similar initiation like hamne banaya aur hameene barbad kar diya buahahaha

Bulls eye!

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 03 May 2011 19:12

Hafiz Saeed and LeT mourn Osama - http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/ ... UT20110503

That is significant. Saeed would be likely to have inside info.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 03 May 2011 19:13

Pranav wrote:Did bin Laden have kidney disease? - http://www.massdevice.com/news/did-bin- ... ey-disease

Osama Bin Laden’s Health May Remain A Mystery Even As Details Of His Death Are Released - http://blogs.forbes.com/davidwhelan/201 ... -released/

Now the CIA has produced a report saying that bin Laden has long-term kidney disease and may have only months to live, two U.S. officials familiar with the report told TIME. The agency ostensibly managed to get the names of some of the medications bin Laden is taking. One U.S. official familiar with the report, which came out between six and nine months ago, says it concluded, "Based on his current pharmaceutical intake, [we] would expect that he has no more than six to 18 months to live and impending kidney failure."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... z1LITn1tw9

Weren't there reports couple of years back that osama had problems with his kidneys and was operated at a paki army hospital?

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 03 May 2011 19:14

Wow..I'm blind...I still cannot figure out where...

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 03 May 2011 19:16

Pranav wrote:
habal wrote:Isn't 'Geronimo' the name of that skull lying at a Yale fraternity initiation centre. So do they propose to include the latest Geronimo skull into a similar initiation like hamne banaya aur hameene barbad kar diya buahahaha
Bulls eye!

So they want to make Hitler skull 2.0 folklore now! They will probably display it prominently at the entrance of a memorial (museum?) which might come up on Ground Zero!

It will be hypocritical to some and memorabilia for the dumb.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 03 May 2011 19:16

UBanerjee wrote:Obama looks really small in that picture, for his stature! Strange, these images are usually quite "managed".

It is part of PR fotos. And PR campaigns have a goal. The goal of these photos is not to show the physical stature of him or others. We can probably write 2 more pages worth of posts about just this foto alone.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 03 May 2011 19:16

US mainstream media still hasn't made the connection that Ashfaq was ISI chief when the mansion was built.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 03 May 2011 19:19

Venkarl wrote:Wow..I'm blind...I still cannot figure out where...

Look in a South-East direction line from the red-yellow-blue crane tackle and north-east direction line from the rhombus shaped dark object, the point where the two lines meet is the supposed insignia.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 May 2011 19:21

Breaking News
Seen this on TV.
One 10-12 yr old kid who lives in the neighbourhood who used to go to OBL's compound to play with the kids.

Wahan pe uncle they, unki do biwi theen.
Ek aunty urdu bolti thi, aur doosri arabi.
unke 3 bacche they.
unhone hamein do rabbit diye.

The gentleman who lived there had two wives.
One of the ladies spoke urdu, and the second spoke Arabic.
They had 3 children.
They gave us two rabbits.
__________________________________________________________
Will watch out for the retelecast of this interview. and will correct / update all the points

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 May 2011 19:22

generally some of the civilian choppers have some mods to make it as quiet as possible ... eurocopter was playing around with noise reduction shaping of rotor tips. this secret chopper sure has stealth shaping added on too. must be some new kit they are testing out in afghanistan....a 30 sec delay in hearing a inbound chopper over a normal chopper is a life and death thing in that line of work.

methinks long term pakistan is going to be the next afghanistan - torn apart by the two wild dogs USA and China, just as AF was destroyed by USA and USSR.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 03 May 2011 19:23

Singha wrote: either that is 301% false or the pakis were told clearly to stay on the ground for the 40 mins + 1 hr egress time..after which they could scramble half a squadron...create sonic booms all over and show the world who was boss.

Kaaliya ingress ka kya hoga, kaaliya?

They must have been asked to tuck their tails in the pieholes during the ingress too na? So please include ingress time value to the total disgrace.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 May 2011 19:24

Times Now reporting on some Wikileaks disclosure.

They claim that Pakistan warned Osama about a US raid.
Something to do with the Tajiskistan government.