News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

[Pranay]

The Radar jamming was to ensure that the Pakistanis could not see the huge constellation that had entered their airspace.

The US forces would not have tried to jam any pakistani radars - that, in itself would have tipped off the Pakistanis. The US would have scoped out all possible routes to and from Abbotabad. They have used blind spots in Pakistani radar cover for entry/egress...

[svinayak]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13262133

Pakistan's High Commissioner in the UK Wajid Shamsul Hasan believes the al-Qaeda founder and leader was led to the compound where he was found in an intelligence "trap".
He says
There is no differences between Pakistan and America

[Amber G.]

Obama Pushed for ‘Fight Your Way Out’ Option in bin Laden Raid

A senior U.S. military official Monday credited President Obama for having a prominent role in pushing and shaping the plan to get Osama bin Laden. “In the final weeks and really months of this, his personal interest and direction and attention pushed the case to a new level that enabled real action,” the official told reporters. “And I think that role is quite important.”

On Tuesday, White House officials began to offer more details on exactly how Obama had shaped the final assault plan. In particular, the President, they said, urged the Pentagon to revisit the number of helicopters it planned to bring into Pakistani airspace on the mission. One of those extra helicopters later played a role in the mission.The president made his concerns known in a briefing about 10 days before the assault on the bin Laden compound. According to senior aides, Obama felt that the special operations COA, or course of action, was too risky. Under the COA at that time, only two helicopters would enter Pakistani airspace, leaving little backup if something went wrong. “I don’t want you to plan for an option that doesn’t allow you to fight your way out,” the President told operational planners at the meeting, according to the notes of one participant.

So the plan was revised. Ultimately, four helicopters flew into Pakistani airspace, including two refueling helicopters that carried additional personnel. In the end, the extra forces didn’t need to fight their way out of the compound, but a backup helicopter did play a key role in the operation. One of the two primary assault helicopters, an HH-60 Pave Hawk lost its lift, landed hard and had to be destroyed. The backup landed to lift its passengers to safety. “The President created the ‘fight your way out’ option,” explained an administration official.

[Akshay Kapoor]

Biakul, Acharya,

I can understand Pakis doing this. It is in their interest. But Chandra and the Indian establishment should not be parroting this. Someone should ask them...ok if Paki nucs negate all our options then why do we have an army , navy , airforce? If our incursions can be stopped by nukes then why cant theirs be?

Lets get clarity on our stand.

I have sky news on in the background. They say

'the military and govt have direct links with terrorists'
'they are a nuclear armed state. Lets not make too much of that'

This is a nuetral country where the Paki diaspora is active in govt and parliament.
Are we willing for some philosophical reason to let the Pakis do what they want without protecting ourselves then fine lets clearly enunciate that and stop wasting valuable lives defending places like Kargil and Sicahen. Lets cut down our armed forces and throw ourselves at their mercy.

If we want to defedt ourselves then lets have a clear strategy, think these relatively simple thing through and take pragmatic action in line with our priorities. This muddle headed thinking is just a waste of everybody's resources and time and lives.

[svinayak]

Are we willing for some philosophical reason to let the Pakis do what they want without protecting ourselves then fine lets clearly enunciate that and stop wasting valuable lives defending places like Kargil and Sicahen. Lets cut down our armed forces and throw ourselves at their mercy.

What are you talking!

[Akshay Kapoor]

Sorry the above post was a bit muddled. The disease is catching!

Reposting.

Biakul, Acharya,

I can understand Pakis doing this. It is in their interest. But Chandra and the Indian establishment should not be parroting this. Someone should ask them...ok if Paki nucs negate all our options then why do we have an army , navy , airforce? If our incursions can be stopped by nukes then why cant theirs be?

Lets get clarity on our stand.

Are we willing for some philosophical reason to let the Pakis do what they want without protecting ourselves? Fine lets clearly enunciate that and stop wasting valuable lives defending places like Kargil and Sicahen. Lets cut down our armed forces and throw ourselves at their mercy.

If we want to defend ourselves then lets evolve a clear strategy, think these relatively simple issues through and take pragmatic action in line with our priorities. This muddle headed thinking is just a waste of everybody's resources and time and lives.

Akshay

Ps I have sky news on in the background. They say

'the military and govt have direct links with terrorists'
'they are a nuclear armed state. Lets not make too much of that'

This is a nuetral country where the Paki diaspora is active in govt and parliament.

[Akshay Kapoor]

Acharya,

I am just exposing the confusion in Indian thinking. Ofcourse I dont subscribe to that option!

Akshay

[Sushupti]

The undeclared Pak mission
- Behind feverish disclaimers lie clues to Islamabad’s co-operation with US in killing Osama
K.P. NAYAR

By giving up Osama bin Laden, the Pakistan Army’s wildest trump card in the cat-and-mouse game between Islamabad and Washington that reached a critical point when CIA contractor Raymond Davis was arrested, factions in the Pakistani establishment which seek a continued alliance with the US have displaced those who want Pakistan to be part of a global Islamic resurgence.


The army faction that supports a deep alliance with the US has won out and proved its loyalty to Washington.

Contrary to the carefully cultivated perception in Washington and Islamabad about the fallout of killing Osama, a new phase in the US-Pakistan security alliance has been sealed in Abbottabad with the blood of the Saudi billionaire-turned-terrorist.


http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110504/j ... 936650.jsp

[RamaY]

It may not be accurate to consider DDM pravachans as Indian thinking. They fill the air waves, it is just noise as far as real India is concerned.

[svinayak]

Acharya,

I am just exposing the confusion in Indian thinking. Ofcourse I dont subscribe to that option!

Akshay

Pak Generals afraid US may now raid nukes

An assessment made by Indian agencies suggests that almost three-fourths of the Pakistani military brass is concerned about the way American helicopters crossed into Pakistani territory, carried out a surgical strike and left without informing either the Pakistani government or security establishment, Indian government sources said.

Other govt may also need to keep such options.

[Amber G.]

Now here .. one shameless Paki tells how he was hit below the belt...
High Commissioner defends Pakistan role in bin Laden death
A few minutes video and the story..barf bag advised.

The first words out the High Commissioner's mouth.

"It was a Pakistani messenger who led them on to the place where he was hiding..so we are not being given credit for anything unfortunately..we have been at the forefront of everything"

The same courier who was in Bin Laden's pay and whose error got the great leader 'deaded'?

You want to take 'credit' that an accomplice of a terrorist, and who betrayed the same terrorist because of his mistake, was a Pakistani, you stupid, inbred, vacuous moron?

One can't even make this up...
The clown (Paki High Commissinner) in now saying that:

Pakis knew where OBL was, but Amerika got him before Paki's could act ...

From: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/world ... istan.html

Pakistan’s ambassadors in the United States and Britain have given different versions of what was known by the Pakistanis about Bin Laden. Wjid Hasan, the High Commissioner in London said Pakistan knew where Bin Laden was but the Americans just acted more quickly. The Ambassador in Washington, Hussain Haqqani, said that if Pakistan had known of bin Laden’s whereabouts, Pakistani forces would have arrested him.

[Akshay Kapoor]

The last link is very interesting

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... deout.html

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/576ee506-7583 ... abdc0.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -23104367/

[Amber G.]

From above: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/world ... istan.html
Lot of nuggets:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The Pakistani government lashed out at the American raid that killed Osama bin Laden, saying Tuesday that the United States had made “an unauthorized unilateral action” that would be not be tolerated in the future.

Using tough language, a statement by the Foreign Office said “such an event shall not serve as a future precedent for any state, including the United States.”

The pushback came a day after Washington’s envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan, Marc Grossman, met with the head of the Pakistani army, Gen. Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, and the chief of the Inter Services Intelligence, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, and told them that patience for Pakistan was wearing thin in Congress.

Mr. Grossman conveyed the message in a way to alert the Pakistani leaders that time was of the essence and that Pakistan needed to show some positive steps to stanch the tide of anger, according to Obama administration officials familiar with the meeting in Islamabad Monday night.

General Kayani and Lieutenant General Pasha, embarrassed at home and abroad by the raid that occurred without their permission, gave no specific response to the American diplomat, the officials said.

“The Pakistanis have been told by the Americans that the temperature is rising in Washington and the reaction has been silence,” one administration official said.

In public, Mr. Grossman was more gentle, saying at a press conference with the secretary of the Foreign Office, Salman Bashir, and Javeed Ludin, the Afghan deputy foreign minister, that “both Pakistan and Afghanistan are determined to curb terrorism.”

The tough statement by the Foreign Office also came as anger mounted on Capitol Hill about Osama bin Laden being found in a garrison city in Pakistan after nearly billions of dollars in assistance to Pakistan’s military and intelligence agencies in the last decade.

The basic question that Pakistan faced revolved around whether the Pakistani military and intelligence agencies knew of Bin Laden’s location and protected him, or whether they were incompetent and did not know that he was living in Abbottabad, a city less than a two hour drive from the national capital.

Either way, the Pakistani military and intelligence leadership that prides itself on being the guardian of the nation, looked foolish, Pakistani and American officials said.

“It’s a double embarrassment,” said a retired Pakistani general.

“They didn’t know Bin Laden was there, or knew and didn’t act. And then the Americans came, got him, and went.”

In its statement, the Foreign Office lauded the ISI, saying its achievements against Al Qaeda and the war on terrorism “are more than any other intelligence agency in the world.”

In order to claw back its diminishing support in Washington, Pakistan needed to make some positive steps, one of the administration officials said.

An immediate step would be to share with the Americans the contents of the house where Bin Laden was killed, and to give access to his relatives who survived the raid, the official said. The Pakistanis had agreed in principle, but so far had not shared anything, the official said.

The foreign office made no reference to such an arrangement.

Instead, the statement said that the relatives would be sent back to their countries of origin.

Pakistan’s ambassadors in the United States and Britain have given different versions of what was known by the Pakistanis about Bin Laden. Wjid Hasan, the High Commissioner in London said Pakistan knew where Bin Laden was but the Americans just acted more quickly. The Ambassador in Washington, Hussain Haqqani, said that if Pakistan had known of bin Laden’s whereabouts, Pakistani forces would have arrested him.

[Gus]

Well, the Americans did get him before pakis could act(move him elsewhere). So he is correct

[SaiK]

main int came from guantanomo detainees, and from the questionable inhuman practice interrogations.

paki $3b per year funding is hanging by the sharing more information caught by the b@lls hold now.

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Pak Generals afraid US may now raid nukes

didn't I call for the nukes nukes nukes! & .

[Paul]

The undeclared Pak mission
- Behind feverish disclaimers lie clues to Islamabad’s co-operation with US in killing Osama
K.P. NAYAR

San Francisco, May 3: There has been a coup d’etat in Pakistan. A quiet one. But it is a coup that may change the course of history not only in South Asia but in the entire Islamic ummah or community.

By giving up Osama bin Laden, the Pakistan Army’s wildest trump card in the cat-and-mouse game between Islamabad and Washington that reached a critical point when CIA contractor Raymond Davis was arrested, factions in the Pakistani establishment which seek a continued alliance with the US have displaced those who want Pakistan to be part of a global Islamic resurgence.

It was a cat-and-mouse game between Langley, the CIA headquarters, and Rawalpindi, seat of the Pakistan Army General Headquarters, which began with the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 when the Americans, foolishly trusting Gen. Pervez Musharraf then, enabled the Inter-Services Intelligence to facilitate the safe passage of Osama from the Tora Bora mountains through deceit.

The Americans were to regret their foolishness for a whole decade.

The arrest of Davis in January for killing two men who were widely believed to have been ISI agents, the arrest of at least one other CIA contractor, the denial of visas to American “diplomats” by Pakistan, the near breaking point in ties between the ISI and the CIA — all made it necessary for Pakistan to choose between being dumped by the US for needling them in Afghanistan using its proxies or extending their full and unstinted co-operation to Washington in return for continued military and other assistance.

The army faction that supports a deep alliance with the US has won out and proved its loyalty to Washington.

Contrary to the carefully cultivated perception in Washington and Islamabad about the fallout of killing Osama, a new phase in the US-Pakistan security alliance has been sealed in Abbottabad with the blood of the Saudi billionaire-turned-terrorist.

The best accounts of the operation which killed bin Laden are not to be found in the US media, which is behaving as if it is embedded with the CIA like American journalists were with the US forces during the 2003 invasion of Iraq and swallowed army propaganda for which newspapers like The Washington Post later apologised.

Revealing details about Sunday’s Abbottabad operation are to be found in the Chinese media, especially China’s official news agency, Xinhua, which has no pretensions to media freedom unlike its American counterparts.

The Chinese have the best sources in Pakistan, given the all-weather friendship between Islamabad and Beijing.

Xinhua says electricity was cut off to Abbottabad as the operation to kill Osama began. That shows complicity with the Americans not only within the Army General Headquarters in Rawalpindi but down the line to the local administration that controls the electricity switching stations.

Xinhua says security forces cordoned off the entire area near Osama’s safe house before the Americans attacked it and no one was allowed to enter or leave the operational surroundings during the attack.

That only means the Pakistanis knew what was going to take place, although it is only logical that reasons for sealing off the area would not have been communicated down the line to the local police or paramilitary units.

Xinhua also says residents of Abbottabad took videos and cellphone pictures from their rooftops as the spectacular helicopter landing and firefight was under way.

But Pakistani security forces went round from house to house collecting memory cards from cameras and seizing videos from residents soon enough so that the pictures were not transmitted freelance by what modern TV would call citizen journalists.

All this could not have been organised by the Pakistanis after the event, which means, circumstantially, that the killing of Osama was a well co-ordinated US-Pakistani operation down to local ward-level in Abbottabad.

Besides, Abbottabad is the seat of a brigade of the second division of Pakistan’s Northern Army Corps and several other sensitive army establishments, including a key military training academy.

Metaphorically, even a fly cannot circle the skies of that city without escaping the attention of the defence network that guards Abbottabad.

It is for this reason and to keep up the fiction that the US and Pakistan did not co-operate in killing Osama that an official statement was issued in Islamabad today that “US helicopters entered Pakistani airspace making use of blind spots in the radar coverage due to hilly terrain”.

The statement added that “US helicopters’ undetected flight into Pakistan was also facilitated by the... efficacious use of latest technology and ‘nap of the earth’ flying techniques”.

At the same time, the Pakistan Army did not want its people to lose faith in Rawalpindi as the guardian of their country’s borders and their defence.

Hence, a paragraph in the statement which asserts that “it may not be realistic to draw an analogy between this undefended civilian area and some military (and) security installations which have elaborate local defence arrangements”.

But to think that American helicopters carrying heavily armed personnel who attacked Osama’s hideout could have violated Abbottabad’s air space without help from Pakistan is pure fiction that is meant for the masses who are vulnerable to jihadi sermons in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Inflaming those masses could mean difficulties for the Americans everywhere.

But it is true that “Abbottabad and the surrounding areas have been under sharp focus of intelligence agencies since 2003, resulting in highly technical operation by ISI which led to the arrest of high-value al Qaida target in 2004”, as the statement claims.

Of the greatest significance, however, is the revelation in the statement that “as far as the target compound is concerned, ISI has been sharing information with CIA and other friendly intelligence agencies since 2009. The intelligence flow indicating some foreigners in the surroundings of Abbottabad, continued till mid-April 2011”.

The Pakistani statement is remarkable for its candour between the lines because it is admitting that in April 2011, the ISI stopped sharing information about Osama with the Americans because of strains between their respective intelligence outfits.

As a result, the Americans had to put off their plans to kill or capture bin Laden in mid-April, plans which began when Pakistan shared that intelligence from 2009, because the operation could not be undertaken without Islamabad’s full support.

The internal power struggles in the Pakistani establishment were resolved when it was decided that not only will intelligence co-operation be revived but also that to make up with the Americans, they would sacrifice Osama.

That is tantamount to a coup within Pakistan which paves the way for stronger, better and deeper ties between Pakistan and the US, belying Indian hopes to the contrary.

The Pakistani statement truthfully claims that “reports about US helicopters taking off from Ghazi airbase are absolutely false and incorrect”. The US has enough capabilities for an operation of this kind not to want to use Pakistan’s military facilities.

All it needed was logistics support and unimpeded passage into Abbottabad.

There is irony in the portion of the statement which says the “CIA and some other friendly intelligence agencies have benefited a great deal from the intelligence provided by ISI. ISI’s own achievements against al Qaida and in the war on terror are more than any other intelligence agency in the world”.

There is a ring of truth in it with their sacrifice of their biggest trump card in dealings with the US, namely the world’s most wanted terrorist, Osama.

And finally, some window dressing: “The Government of Pakistan expresses its deep concerns and reservations on the manner in which the Government of the United States carried out this operation without prior information or authorisation from the Government of Pakistan.”

However, dumping OBL in the sea could not have been part of the script. All Kiyani's hard work like 26/11 is now down the drain.

[Akshay Kapoor]

RamaY

I hope you are right. Baikul, that made me laugh - 'you stupid, inbred....' Nite. Hope some good pics out in the morning.

Akshay

[NRao]

China seems to have got hold of a dozzie.

A Secret Helo Used In Bin Laden Raid

Did The Beast of Kandahar Help Kill Osama?

[SaiK]

comanche reinstated!?

[NRao]

Shiv,

For your collection and future book:

http://geoeyemediaportal.s3.amazonaws.c ... _02_11.jpg

[Paul]

The articles in NYT, WSJ, WP etc. are all a dog and pony show for the public. The real nuggets will come out in obscure little read off-beat journals...or press releases from third parties. If there was power outage and the area was cordoned off prior to the forefight, means there was coordination between the two parties...no two ways about it.

All these articles in NYT etc. are to vent public rage at Pakistan, close this chapter and move on to the next phase in the great game.

Like Shiv saar said in MMRCA thread...the decision to disqualify the MMRCA aspirants on purely technical grounds was a political decision. Similarly here the decision to keep the Pakis out of the actual firefight but limit their to support was also a concisous decision taken by both sides.

However, the decision to dump OBL in the sea is a deliberate smack in the Islamists face, 100% payback for 9/11.

[sanjaykumar]

Well I am not going to celebrate the killing of a human-but the US had to do what needed to be done.

The fears of a deep conspiracy/understanding between a pro US faction in Pakistan and the US is not without substance. I find it inconceivable that several helicopters can disgorge commandos without enough warning for OBL to have gone underground-that is into what must be a tunnel system. It is difficult to be accept that there was only light resistance unless that too was pre-arranged. A heavy assault 800m from a military academy and no nosy parkers showing up? Convenient.

I heard F-18s screaming off a Canadian base on afterburners (I believe) several hours before this business. I can only relate the two.

That was a remarkable photo of the situation room. A dozen people and not one caught blinking- Hilary Clinton's hand to her mouth-all sombre and tense and intense. I think that was the moment when OBL was shot.


I was to fly to NY for an interview the day after 9/11 but that son of a bit ch altered the course of my life too.

[Paul]

Ambassadors to foreign countries are often the last ones to know of such events. Recall Naresh Chandra's predicament in defeinding Indian nuke test in may 1998. He knew of it through public channels. Haqqani is benazir's man..hardly the favorite of the army, He is on his own in Washington, left to defencd Paki perfidy without any support. He may not know much of what is going behind the scenes.

[CRamS]

That was a remarkable photo of the situation room. A dozen people and not one caught blinking- Hilary Clinton's hand to her mouth-all sombre and tense and intense. I think that was the moment when OBL was shot.

I think it was the moment one of the helicopters went down. They all looked worried to me

I was to fly to NY for an interview the day after 9/11 but that son of a bit ch altered the course of my life too.

Sorry to hear this. You may find this bizzare, but several months prior to 9/11, I went right up into the world trade center in NYC to interview with Lehman Brothers for an R&D position as a financial analyst based on my engineering background and experience. At that time, engineering profesisonals seeking a position on Wall St was a fad. Luckily for me, an Indian dude like many an Uncle Tom was trying to be more loyal than the king and was asking me irrelevant, curt, and rude questions trying to discredit my intentions. I stormed out of the interview (I could afford to do that because I was on a good job, and just looking for something better and exciting) telling him I am not interested in working in a group with him in it. Had it it not turned out to be that way, you guys may very well have not known me on BR because as I understand it, Lehman bros was directly on the flight path that took out the towers.

[anjan]

ShyamD, Story getting worse!
WH OBL unarmed when killed
Both he and his wife were unarmed.
So all that firefight stuff is non-sense.
WH adviser had gone public with OBL firing a shot etc..
He will be gone for lying.
repubs will get him for that.

I doubt anyone is about to get fired for getting details of a firefight wrong in the initial few minutes. The big picture sure. Who was and wasn't holding a gun is trivial. At any rate he wasn't the only character in the building. It's very likely there were a couple of dedicated bunnies and likely even armed ISI chaps for protecting/controlling him. Firefight by the way was confirmed by the blogger. Anyway why the rush to prove the Americans wrong?

As for the earlier comment on response time: 40 mins is an extremely short duration. It would be a very foolhardy policeman who would run towards the sound of intense gunfire. Other forces would take longer to mobilize. PMA chaps would stay and protect PMA. Why in God's name would they leave to investigate what might or might not be a distraction?

[Jarita]

Just a thought because I've heard a lot of desis around me singing praises of khans determination to catch Osama and put a bullet through his head. These idiots are also drawing comparisons with Indian security forces which really gets my goat.

The US has spent billions of dollars (virtually bankrupted economy), lost thousands of lives and spent 10 years to get after this guy. There will be an afternath to this as well. It will probably change the equations entirely.
The Indian way may have been different where the effort to get a person past expiry date may far outweight the benefit and therefore it is better to let them die out. The Indian populations DNA may even accept this. Witness going after Warren Anderson vs. getting reparations.

I think in the long run the Indian way is better. It may be less costly for civilization and allows one to move on.
Of course it does not allow for the Ramboisque stories and glamour and adrenaline but it may just be more sustainable.

[svinayak]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-m ... ockingturd
PAYBACKISTAN

[ramana]

Paul, Very perceptive insights. Sort of dhoka for election success.

[SwamyG]

Whatever be the truth - he was killed now or in 2012 BC, he was captured alive and sitting in some CIA cell, ISI/Military gave him up, Military was incompetent from stopping a few silly helos flying inside Pak, helos took off from India, Afghanistan or Pakistan, Goa dock talk, USA elections ityadi ityadi.... one thing is for sure - Pakistan H&D is going down the tube in maasa. Be it the liberal or conservative base, Pakistani H&D is toast. The number of negative comments associated with the country keeps increasing.

Unless this entire episode is proven inconclusively a fraud, satisfying some CTs, Pakistan has suffered irreversible damages. Why does it matter? In a Republic, public sentiments do matter. After all people vote with emotions.

I feel sorry for the 'innocent' Pakistanis; you guys got royally screwed by your 'founding fathers', Military, ISI and Islamitis. You are the victims of terror - no doubt, however the terror was spread by your own government.

[VikramS]

CRamS:
Good to know that you escaped.

OT:

However, I am not sure how much experience you have had in formal interviewing techniques, but making the interviewee uncomfortable is part and parcel of the interview process. They want to see how you deal with difficult people, stress and hostile circumstances. Imagine you as an analyst are trying to communicate with a trader who has a position moving against him. He calls you, the analyst to ask some specific questions. While he will be trying to listen, 90% of his brain is focussed on the millions he is losing every minute. I can assure you that the the guy, whoever nice he might be, will be curt, distracted and even disdainful as he hears information he does not want to hear. At that point it is your job to provide the right information, in a manner which the guy can digest in spite of the stress he is in.

In a way you did the right thing in walking out. You have a strong personality. A trader can get away with it; an entry level analyst can not.

[Anantha]

It is very shameful, senior journalists like K.P. Nayar coming up with conspiracy theories on behalf of Chinans.
Most of that report based on Xinhua is fake and is prepared by time travelling Chinans
The famous twitter guy from Abbotabad has no ref to electricity being cut off and about local police helping secure areas for a operation.
These journalists are under Chinan payroll.... bunch of thugs
Also If Osama was lured to Abbotabad as some others say How did the ISI know where he was before.
If Paks had 1% role in getting OBL they would have negotiated for announcing that the body was found in Afghanistan.

Added later= If paks Cooperated OBL capture, some AQ/taliban attacks would take place in the near future in TSP. The current situation puts Pak in a bigger problem as- to show that they are part of Goat they have to go after the Haqqanis
Does not add up.
It was a US only operation onlee

[Prem]

Poaks know that this wont be last public assault by Khan on their Sau-virginty. First Osama Haran, then Nuke haran and eventually Baluchistan Haran to put Poaks in final sharam sharam when Indians put in Poakmouth something garam garam.

[Paul]

KP Nayar and Daily telegraph are known for their pro-american bias, not PRC.

If Paks had 1% role in getting OBL they would have negotiated for announcing that the body was found in Afghanistan.

You are right about this...I thought about this as well.

It is may not have been possible for any number of reasons: Pasha may have negotiated for this but logistically it may not have been possible to arrange the fake encounter in thickly populated areas of NWFP, It is not as simple as dumping bodies from helos in a remote mountain area, like the argentines did to dissidents in the 80s, it will lead to more questions and CTs.

But key is the power outage question....and it is Xinhua which put out the report, no point in blaming Nayar. Why will Xinhua put their trusted ally into trouble, after all it is easier for Kiyani to feign incompetence than be caught collaborating in this operation.


JMT.

[krithivas]

This only means that there are more "strategic assets" that Pakistan is hiding that would justify yet another strike. This is tantamount to a confession and indicates that TSP is under severe stress and despair ...

From above: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/world ... istan.html
Lot of nuggets:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The Pakistani government lashed out at the American raid that killed Osama bin Laden, saying Tuesday that the United States had made “an unauthorized unilateral action” that would be not be tolerated in the future.

Using tough language, a statement by the Foreign Office said “such an event shall not serve as a future precedent for any state, including the United States.”

[Raja Bose]

^^^This rhetoric is more for India's consumption than Massa's. Paki red lines don't work when it comes to Massa as they are the hand which feeds the animal.

[SwamyG]

If there was live video feed going on, can gurus lay the setup at the mansion? Would each SF personnel be equipped with camera and transmission equipment? Or would each personnel have a camera and transmit to something in the helo or nearby which then would transmit it to the HQ? In the days of Video Conferencing equipment would be aplenty; would the feeds be scrambled?

[Prasad]

The helos have satcom ability. I would guess the cams borne by the soldiers would use the helo as a "base station" type of thing which would route all video(and audio?) to the sats.

[Anantha]

From above: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/world ... istan.html
Lot of nuggets:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The Pakistani government lashed out at the American raid that killed Osama bin Laden, saying Tuesday that the United States had made “an unauthorized unilateral action” that would be not be tolerated in the future.

This is like local beggar threatening the village Zamindar not to question him on his junkie habits even while begging a minute later.

[SwamyG]

Also If Osama was lured to Abbotabad as some others say How did the ISI know where he was before.
If Paks had 1% role in getting OBL they would have negotiated for announcing that the body was found in Afghanistan.

Hmmm....why would Pakistan give OBL near Islamabad of all places. Why did they not give him up near Afghanistan border? Or does it mean there is a rift in ISI/Army - a pro-West group and anti-West group. But then I thought BRF consensus is there is just one BIG bad group.

[Ravi Karumanchiri]

^^^ RE: Power outage indicating complicity, yada, yada....

FWIW, in that live Twitter feed of the raid, the IT guy says that Abbottabad presently experiences 18 hours a day of power outage, so I don't think the lack of electric power is indicative of any kind of Pakistani complicity in the raid. Read the feed for yourself here http://twitter.com/#!/reallyvirtual

On top of which; the Americans have a way to turn out the lights any time they want to. Of course, they could use an EMP to do it, but that would cause a lot of permanent damage to all kinds of electronics, and that hasn't been seen in Abbottabad. Their other option, if they needed the power to go out; they could have done what they did in Serbia; which was to unleash a special kind of bomb that explodes high in the air, and scatters a cloud of fine glass filaments that are coated with silver. When these filaments land across electric power lines, they cause a short, and the power goes out, until someone can clear the lines and reset the breaker.

If indeed the power went out at a convenient time, that is not a clear indication that the Pakistani's were complicit in the raid.