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saip wrote:Breaking news is that the WHite House wont release photos. Must be very gruesome or dont want to inflame muslim sentiments (?)
Well we have seen Jamaat ud-Dawas praying and crying for OBL! So basically the Muslim world has accepted that OBL is dead. Even the Conspiracy Theorists in the Muslim World claim that OBL died in 2002 or something! Let's not forget that Americans left all OBL's children and a wife or two behind! Some of them saw OBL being shot dead! They're witness, I suppose! Earlier I too thought that they had him somewhere tucked in live and kicking!

So whom do you want to prove that OBL is dead! To the American people? They have been celebrating like there is no tomorrow! They're buying the line that he is dead!

I guess the White House does not want OBL's photos to prick the Muslim World and make them crazy!

Basically WH does not care what the Conspiracy Theorists want to believe!
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Aaryan wrote:Sir if I may be allowed can I raise some questions..
1)How and why the power was cut?
2)How come 24 seals come in 4 helis ( 2 black hawk and 2 apache) for a super hot mission and one get crashed ( due to technical failure????) and then 24 seals leave with a body and lots of material and may be few other persons. Now how can so many people leave in one black hawk heli?
3)If he was unarmed as they say now, ( earlier they told he was armed) why was he killed??
4)If the people of abbottabad twited and facebooked about the operation, why no one shoot the and picture or video ( I read some where that after the seals flew off, pak security force conducted house to house search and seized memory cards and deleted vids from cell phone)
5)Why is the American version changing with time??
6)Why dint they took his wife who could have thrown more light and his recent activities??
7)If they can release pics of his youngest wife, then why cant they release pics OBL ??
1) Pakistan is currently experiencing load shedding and from news paper clicks I have come across in the last two months till the day of the operation these power cuts ranged anywhere from 10-15 hours a day. Even if assuming that it was not the time for a power cut, the raiding forces would definitely have interrupted electricity before the raid.

2) The number of helicopters and the types involved is still not clear and it's still anybody's guess now. I personally think that it was more than 4 birds and I do not think Apache's were part of the group.

3)He was killed because seals had no intention of keeping him alive. Just not worth it for them.

4)Paaji, you can tweet about the operation from the comfort of your room. Even Mujahids are not foolish to run to an exploding house to shoot some pictures, in the middle of the night. You are talking as if the whole town has started to Tweet about the raid, live.

5)It will, as details start flowing down, story line will change, this is expected, unless if you a Paki then the story line will be "bulb blast or gas leak", always.

6) May be lack of space on their birds. Also, they might have knew that Pakis will be taking them in custody and once that happens they can have access to them whenever they want.

7) You do realize that there is a difference between dead OBL with half his face gone against some random lady, Right?
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Aaryan wrote:Sir if I may be allowed {if mods may then you may in May else June end if}can I raise some questions..
1)How and why the power was cut? {haven't you heard about the phrase "cutting power" in pakistan like we have here "cutting chai"? Anything happens in pakiland can coincide with...there you go, power's gone}
2)How come 24 seals come in 4 helis ( 2 black hawk and 2 apache) for a super hot mission and one get crashed ( due to technical failure????) and then 24 seals leave with a body and lots of material and may be few other persons. Now how can so many people leave in one black hawk heli?
3)If he was unarmed as they say now, ( earlier they told he was armed) why was he killed?? {because when he met seals he asked, "if I may be allowed can I pooch how come you come all in one heli?". Two seals went down laughing. Rest opened fire.}
4)If the people of abbottabad twited and facebooked about the operation, why no one shoot the and picture or video ( I read some where that after the seals flew off, pak security force conducted house to house search and seized memory cards and deleted vids from cell phone)
5)Why is the American version changing with time?? {all Microsoft fault bro all Microsoft fault}
6)Why dint they took his wife who could have thrown more light and his recent activities?? {bro, now this is too much. They went there to kill Osama. Not to kill the husband and elope with his wife! And who wants to know his activities with his wife???}
7)If they can release pics of his youngest wife, then why cant they release pics OBL ?? {cmon we all know how he looks}
You took a wrong turn dude, you took a wrong turn...
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ramana wrote:So massa went in think clown jewels were there and found a washed out jihadi eating goat meat!

But seriously most like the hosue was built by TSPA Military Engg Group/PWD type organisation. In that case it would be standard layout. Now ll such houses are being scanned in google earth for potential wanted types.

Why that vacant space on one side of the triangle? Was it for future expansion or a helipad.

Most intriguing the reports of Fizzleya crashes in the aftermath.

Most likely shot down and now reported as crashes.
.Vacant space was for scanning by security camera to avoid surprise approach.
Main gate seems to be guarded from direct attack due to presence of another house. Two man ( claimed to be farmers) are with PA/AP
Halipad at the house would be too suspicious. I found one place in DHA Karachi what seems to be halipad with large house.. Could be for D. But in Garrison Town a strict no no .

Shot down Heli means, injured or dead seals , not yet reported. But lingering doubts remain due to position of tail portion.
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One thing that should be carefully thought about is the rifts this will make in the TFTA army.

All the junior and mid-level (and probably a few top-level) army types must be bristling with the jolt to their H&D. Imagine americans invading a compound 500 meters away from their Alma mater and getting away scot free. The top pro-massa jernails are marked men indeed. That could be one of the main reasons why they are silent.

Remember that Mushy had many many attempts on his life *from within the ranks* after his U turn on Afghanistan. This is much much worse. Getting Pakistan itself invaded, letting the crown jewel be robbed all within a stone's throw distance from the castle itself.

Must have been a huge OUCH to the H&D.

Instead of covert support to the yahoos, I expect a section of the army to *overtly* support the yahoos and dare the higher up to take action against them. A few of them hatching plans to strike at massa itself cannot be ruled out.
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Apparently OBL wrote a will and wanted his wives not get married again. He also did not want his children to join al-keeda.
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Zaid Hamid Warns to Indians and Americans Zionists

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Last frontier of Islam - that is Porkistan
Muslims land is being cut into pieces
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Boehner: 'Premature' to talk of cutting aid to Pakistan
The above news is obviously wrong because some BRFites believe Republicans are better, for India*, than Democrats when it comes to foreign policy. Aren't BRFites always right? I hope now they realize when it comes to foreign policy they are all one and the same. However, it was a Dem who took OBL out and washed Pakistan's dirty lungi out in the public.
"We both benefit from having a strong bilateral relationship. This is not a time to back away from Pakistan," Boehner said, according to National Journal. "We need more engagement, not less.
* Added for clarity.
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Pervez Hoodboy is very clever in his article. The whole article charecterizes the US-TSP-TSPA relationship is only for hafta and nothing else. He selectively takes certain quotes the Mushy's book and builds up a case saying theat Osama was kept hiding for a higher bid.
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White House has decided not to release photos of OBL. Felt it would be "over the top" given that few credible sources doubt the fact of his death and the few conspiracy theorists will never be satisfied.
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The decision to not show the pictures is a mistake IMO.

Pakjabis and many in the Muslim world are full throttle paranoids and conspiracy theorists on a good day. This will just make it easier for them.

They should release the pictures, if not now, then soon.
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Acharya wrote:Zaid Hamid Warns to Indians and Americans Zionists

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Last frontier of Islam - that is Porkistan
Muslims land is being cut into pieces
Zaid Hamid is crying and cursing like a real wife of deceased. :twisted:
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Muppalla wrote:Pervez Hoodboy is very clever in his article. The whole article charecterizes the US-TSP-TSPA relationship is only for hafta and nothing else. He selectively takes certain quotes the Mushy's book and builds up a case saying theat Osama was kept hiding for a higher bid.
As long as the collateral damage is in another country this will continue. This was how it started from 1980.

Geo political advances for Pakistan or US was OK and this could continue
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before I answer, this is the problem with reading pakistani forum and blogs without a filter.
read deafNdumb if you want but keep its gyan out of BR.
Aaryan wrote:Sir if I may be allowed can I raise some questions..
1)How and why the power was cut?
who says it was ? check what the power situation in pakistan is like. abbottabad itself is having around 18hrs of powercuts per day.
2)How come 24 seals come in 4 helis ( 2 black hawk and 2 apache) for a super hot mission and one get crashed ( due to technical failure????) and then 24 seals leave with a body and lots of material and may be few other persons. Now how can so many people leave in one black hawk heli?
2 apaches ? that's not confirmed. one story says they had 2 blackhawks in the ops and 2 more as back up, one of which they used when one helo went down. the helo's blade clipped something, probably the wall. keep in mind that you will not all details will be released, so better not to get worked up about the details.


3)If he was unarmed as they say now, ( earlier they told he was armed) why was he killed??
what should they have done ? feed him biriyani ? for a person like laden, killing would be a very natural step.
if we ever get to dawood ibrahim in a similar situation I would ardently hope they shoot to kill rather than risk the lives of our invaluable soldiers.

4)If the people of abbottabad twited and facebooked about the operation, why no one shoot the and picture or video picture and video of what ? how many pictures and videos of the chabad house operation were shot by the people of mumbai ?
normal people are not war photographers. and in pakistan gunbattles are weekly affairs, people learn to avoid it, not run towards it like an insect towards fire.

( I read some where that after the seals flew off, pak security force conducted house to house search and seized memory cards and deleted vids from cell phone)
kindly keep BS from paki sources to those sites. do not litter this place with garbage.
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Shiv Sir,

I think you have misread my intentions here. Was a bit surprised to see that reaction. Not sure what irritated you. Did you think my post hurt national security? If so how? This was a worst case scenario not a research paper presented by a think tank. Ofcourse I hope I am wrong and happy to eat crow now!! Am not here for getting cyber kudos or to prove a point but becuase I am genuinely interested in national security. I can only be secure if my country is secure.

Will take a stab at what you suggested and flesh it out. My email is [email protected]. If you think appropriate do be kind enough to drop me a quick note. I will respond with some credentials and later with a stab at what you suggested. You can roast me as much as you want on that. That will only help me sleep better knowing that the worst case is wrong and we are all secure.

Also I have a post re the LCA on Tejas in the newbie section. Was hoping the legendary Shiv would look at it and answer the questions. Again, no agenda there, just curiosity.

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Diyar Faithful, please read the phollowing. :P

Pakistan: Local Taliban commander ends truce with army after Bin Laden killing
last update: May 04, 18:45

Wana, 4 May (AKI) - By Syed Saleem Shahzad - A group loyal to a Taliban commander in South Waziristan launched an attack on an army camp in the northwestern Pakistani tribal area's main town of Wana late on Tuesday.

The attack by fighters loyal to Nazir Ahmed marked the first termination by a Taliban leader of a ceasefire agreement with Pakistan's army since Bin Laden's killing by US special forces on Monday. :twisted:

"There is no information of any casualties, but the militants have made their point that they have terminated all ceasefire agreement with the army and they consider their presence in the tribal area as a hostile presence," a local tribal elder told Adnkronos International (AKI) by telephone.

"The whole night, militants rained down missiles and rockets over the main military camp in Wana while the Pakistani army returned fire," said the elder. :mrgreen: :twisted: :wink:

He was speaking to AKI on condition of anonymity because of a possible backlash by militants or the Pakistani administration in South Waziristan.

NATO forces have long view 36-year-old Ahmed's group as the biggest threat in the provinces of Paktika, Helmand and Zabul, in neighbouring Afghanistan, where he runs the largest jihadist network.

Ahmed, the Taliban's chief in Wana commands thousands of supporters but remained impartial in the 2009 military operation against Pakistani Taliban militants in South Waziristan.

Ahmed was considered as anti-Al-Qaeda and carried out the massacre of 250 members of the anti-Pakistan Army Islamic movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) in 2007 in South Waziristan and expelled hundreds of their members.

However, during a recent visit to South Waziristan, Nazir told AKI he has never been opposed to Al-Qaeda and his differences with the IMU were of a local nature.

He said he has also recently re-established communication with IMU leaders.
See SSS article on mullah nazir's special interview.
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abhijitm wrote:
Acharya wrote:Zaid Hamid Warns to Indians and Americans Zionists

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Last frontier of Islam - that is Porkistan
Muslims land is being cut into pieces
Zaid Hamid is crying and cursing like a real wife of deceased. :twisted:
Listen to some of his words about Russia and China.
7-38 min to 7 55 min. This is the grand strategy which he talking about and he knows it since Pakistan was supposed to be in this grand strategy for the 21st century.
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Nandu wrote:IMHO, US should not release bin's dead body photo or burial at sea video.

He was given a death fit for a dog. Shot without a second thought and dumped in the sea. Don't give his supporters and sympathizers even an iota of "closure" by providing a photo or video.

Correct decision by Obama.
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saip wrote:
6)Why dint they took his wife who could have thrown more light and his recent activities??
I can also ask one question. Are you from Pakistan?
(Normally Indians dont make this grammatical mistake)
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Acharya wrote:This is a US created monster and they had to close it in the eyes of the Muslim world to show dominance.
Amazing isn't it. The fact that OBL was US's blue-eyed boy once upon a time, remmeber that b%$&*rd Zbig Brizensky in goggles cheering on OBL & his jihadis on why they are doing God's work in confronting the Soviets and why US will not let them down? Can't believe the same OBL is now enemy and his killing is cheered like drunk zombies.
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SwamyG wrote:Boehner: 'Premature' to talk of cutting aid to Pakistan
The above news is obviously wrong because some BRFites believe Republicans are better than Democrats when it comes to foreign policy. Aren't BRFites always right? I hope now they realize when it comes to foreign policy they are all one and the same. However, it was a Dem who took OBL out and washed Pakistan's dirty lungi out in the public.
Not a dime's worth of difference except entertainment, cacophony, and narcisstic exaggaration of trivial differences. Right now the great American dems Vs reps debate is whether the CIA torture camps led to the clues of OBL's compound guarded by TSPA/ISI. So its dems, reps equa equal only, dems get credit for getting OBL, while reps get credit for clues.
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Shyamd....I like the way you use your smileys :lol: ...thanks for the lovely update.
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shyamd wrote:Diyar Faithful, please read the phollowing. :P

Pakistan: Local Taliban commander ends truce with army after Bin Laden killing
This is how it started after Lal Masjid churn. If this really become serious then Pakijabs will be facing a lot of music. The Taliban Vs Pakiban will be fun to watch.
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CRamS wrote:The fact that OBL was US's blue-eyed boy once upon a time, remmeber that b%$&*rd Zbig Brizensky in goggles cheering on OBL & his jihadis on why they are doing God's work in confronting the Soviets and why US will not let them down? Can't believe the same OBL is now enemy and his killing is cheered like drunk zombies.
Makes me want to throw up when he shows up on his daughter's MSNBC show.
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shyamd wrote: See SSS article on mullah nazir's special interview.
what SSS article ?
thx.
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someone told me

see no terrorist is safe is pakistan not even Bin laden

but in hindustan everyone is safe Afzal guru, kasab - etc :)
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Rahul M wrote:
shyamd wrote: See SSS article on mullah nazir's special interview.
what SSS article ?
thx.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ME05Df02.html
This one.
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Surya wrote:someone told me

see no terrorist is safe is pakistan not even Bin laden

but in hindustan everyone is safe Afzal guru, kasab - etc
:)
And Chief Ministers are unsafe in helicopters!!
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Anyone can ID the Indian in White House Press conference (Live)>?
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After the goat a day news came out I started thinking what use were the goats of to OBL. I mean, my brain was totally tuned to Benisology and i was thinking does someone need a khushpoo even in hiding and while having two young wives.
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saip wrote:Anyone can ID the Indian in White House Press conference (Live)>?
Brandy Singh :rotfl:


sorry sir, don't know
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saip wrote:Anyone can ID the Indian in White House Press conference (Live)>?
Goyal is not the foil any more?
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Someone on Fox pointed out house OBL used belong to group ISI uses against India. He also said, group used the
house as a safe house.
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^ I think this was already posted....
Any how just to be sure....
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/osama ... rt/785902/
Hizbul Mujahedeen, a militant group active in Kashmir, owned the mansion in the scenic town of Abbottabad where Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces, a Canadian newspaper has reported, claiming that Pakistan is hushing up the issue of the ownership of the compound.
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Hizbul owned the house.

Venkarl - Thanks.

Muppalla - Inshallah round 2. This time it will be total revolt. I mean it wasnt daughters of Lal masjid. This is OBL! The damn Emir of AQ! The purest of pure.

India should be hands off. Hence why we are saying open up Pak economy. At least we can benefit from trade and make some $$'s while Pak burns.
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I think its time for some one to volunteer and mind map all the new links emerging.
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All i was saying is that it was in Indian express, but now fox is talking about it. We need Hizbul link to go
viral, because it has ISI written all over it.
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This is getting better by a min....Let the paki come out of ratholes. NBC reported following.

"Obama has said that the US reserves the right to carry out another attack in the future on Pakistani soil"
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Baikul wrote:The decision to not show the pictures is a mistake IMO.

Pakjabis and many in the Muslim world are full throttle paranoids and conspiracy theorists on a good day. This will just make it easier for them.

They should release the pictures, if not now, then soon.

How hard it is to ask Osama Bin laden's daughter who was present when he got shot in the face?
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