News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 05 May 2011 01:11

Bull-sh1t Hijdabul Mujahideen. Mushrador built the house and Ass-saf Kiyanahi attended the graha-pravesham and shared a plate of Biriyani and his Hepatitis B with the Sheikh-Chilli. The fool Pasha did not pay proper attention to Vasthu and got his country fvcked in the process. The Sheikh-Chilli won't get his 72 either because he trusted the Bakistanis.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 05 May 2011 01:14

Dont worry OBL is having cuban food as we speak. That will get paranoid pakis

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 May 2011 01:16

Nightwatch on the raid:

3 May 2011

India: Reaction. India wants the United States to minimize the role Pakistan plays in the future of Afghanistan and to attach tougher conditions to the aid it provides Pakistan, an unidentified senior Indian official said. According to the official, India fears the United States will accelerate its exit from Afghanistan as a result of Usama bin Laden's death, which will increase Pakistani influence in the region and ease the pressure on militant groups targeting India.

The official said the job is not finished in Afghanistan and the withdrawal will be disastrous. According to the official, the only reason to give Pakistan a major role in Afghanistan would be if the United States needed to stop the war quickly. India would prefer the United States to develop its partnership with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and leave Pakistan out of the picture, the official added.

Comment: The discovery of bin Laden living in luxury in a Pakistani military town confirmed India's worst fears about Pakistani perfidy and support for terrorists. Whatever little bit of trust was restored in the past month from Prime Minister Singh's "cricket diplomacy" has been undermined. The hard-line Hindu nationalists have been vindicated.

The fact of bin Laden's residency in mainstream Pakistan could lead to a loss of confidence in Prime Minister Singh's government. {Jumping to wrong conclusions?}

Pakistan: Pakistan's ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani, said Pakistan will do a full inquiry as to why its intelligences services were not able to track al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden earlier, AFP reported May 3. Bin Laden obviously had support within Pakistan, but it is unknown if that support came from the state or the society, Haqqani said. He added that many Pakistanis share bin Laden's extremist beliefs and would protect him. He said Pakistan as a nation must re-evaluate its view of the whole problem, adding that any questions about intelligence failures will be addressed.

Comment: For ten years, the world has heard Musharraf, Zardari and Prime Minister Gilani deny that bin Laden was in Pakistan. Now it has been established that he lived for six years on the outskirts of Islamabad, which includes the time when Musharraf was President.

The two primary hypotheses are quite clear: Pakistani intelligence and security officials knew about and supported bin Laden and lied or Pakistani intelligence and security, plus the national executives, are utterly incompetent and untrustworthy. It will take some time for sufficient evidence to emerge to determine which conclusion is the more accurate. Meanwhile, the international perceptions of official mendacity and incompetence will run in parallel.

Pakistan will have a hard time reassuring any country that its word is true. A fragile civilian government might not be able to survive the repercussions of the raid and the implications of finding bin Laden in Abbottabad.

Special Comment: The Washington Post published on 3 May the unofficial official version of the operation to neutralize bin Laden. Four US helicopters with US Navy SEALS in two waves were involved. They flew nap of the earth and through radar-masked valleys without detection, executed their mission and flew back safely with the body.

An alternative narrative was published by Asia Times onLine's Syed Saleem Shahzad on 3 May that is worth consideration. According to this version, the operation to Abbottabad was the second of the year and mimicked the US operation to snatch Umar Patek, the man responsible for the Bali bombing in Indonesia in 2002.

In this version, Pakistan again gave permission for US helicopters to stage from a Pakistani base and forces were alerted to provide assistance to the US as necessary. The US did not inform Pakistan that bin Laden was the target, but allowed Pakistani intelligence to believe that the second raid was a follow-up to round up supporters of Patek.

The Washington Post account and the Asia Times onLine account are not necessarily contradictory. Each leaves out portions of the raid that the other potentially supplies. There is no profit to either side at this early period after the raid to divulge the entire truth because of the potential for backlash, but a blend of the two seems much more plausible than either one alone.

Al Qaida-US: Ten hard drives, five computers and more than 100 storage devices, including discs, DVDs and thumb drives, were taken from the compound where bin Laden was hiding, a senior U.S. official said on 3 May. The U.S. administration received three sets of photos, including images of bin Laden's body at a hangar after he was taken to Afghanistan; this photo provided the most recognizable image of his face, the official said. There were also photos of bin Laden's burial at sea on the USS Carl Vinson -- both before and after the shroud was put on -- and of the raid itself, including pictures of the two deceased brothers and one of bin Laden's dead sons of approximately 18 years of age as well as of the inside of the compound.

Comment: Syed Saleem Shahzad made four points. The al Qaida leaders anticipated the death of bin Laden for years and made preparations by decentralizing operations and forming a leadership committee to elect a new leader in the even of bin Laden's demise.

Secondly, al Qaida leaders deliberately kept bin Laden separated from his deputy Zawahiri. Zawahiri has been the operational leader of al Qaida for the past six years.

Third, because of the loss of computer files, all plans for future operations will now be stopped. Contacts and financial donors would be high priority exploitation items, after plans in progress. The computer files should prove highly embarrassing and compromising to many people in many countries, with any luck at all.

Finally, the alternative narrative of Pakistani support is the one that the Pakistani Taliban believe. It has made them more determined than ever to topple the government in Islamabad, but now with more support from Afghan Taliban than before.

ShyamD the last comment matches your understanding. Good that we are on track with the best.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 05 May 2011 01:19

CRamS wrote:
Acharya wrote:This is a US created monster and they had to close it in the eyes of the Muslim world to show dominance.
Amazing isn't it. The fact that OBL was US's blue-eyed boy once upon a time, remmeber that b%$&*rd Zbig Brizensky in goggles cheering on OBL & his jihadis on why they are doing God's work in confronting the Soviets and why US will not let them down? Can't believe the same OBL is now enemy and his killing is cheered like drunk zombies.

The same OBL decided to become enemy by himself, by launching the 1993 WTC bombing, 1996 Dahran Bombing in Saudi Arabia, 1998 Nairobi bombing, 2000 Cole Bombing, and the 9/11, and the 100's other after 9/11. You can't blame Uncle Sam for that. It was only after the Nairobi bombing of 1998 which killed over 280+ people, that Uncle decided to pursue him.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 May 2011 01:21

Barak Obama wrote:"The US reserves the right to carry out another attack in the future on Pakistani soil"

This can mean several things:
1. The NSA guys have gotten some preliminary information out of the various discs, and drives that they recovered from OBL's lair.
2. US intel has discovered that other high value targets are being moved.

One fallout of OBL's attack is that the number 2s and 3s (the real number 3s - not the pakmedia number 3s) will now be extra careful and will make every attempt to melt away and they will be able to cover their tracks much better.
Come to think of it, OBL's lair did stick out like a sore thumb, and he really was hiding in plain sight.

The US got OBL, but the others might escape for the moment.

No one has done a risk analysis of weather taking out OBL was a good move, or was warranted at this point of time. Because OBL was holed up without direct communication with his underlings, and no longer involved in the day to day planning of attacks. Now OBL is gone, but the guys who actually were planning and executing the attacks get an opportunity perhaps to cover their tracks. OBL was an important figurehead and really important, though for many reasons. (Personally I am really glad he was taken out.)

The other fallout is that now everyone, even in the US, are going to say that OBL is dead, let us get out of Af-Pak on the double. That is bad! The LET, the Jihadi groups, the Taliban, the various networks (haqqanis, hekmatyars etc) and the mother of them all the ISI-Pakistan army and their terror loving ways are all alive and kicking.
From the world's POV (and that is US, India, and everyone else) it is important that the US stay the course and severely degrade the capacity of these guys to cause terror, and cure the Pakistan army and the ISI from it love of terrorism and terrorists for good.

If the ISI and the Pakistan Army fail to see reason, as they are most likely wont to do, to then or join india even as a surgical cure is carried out.

Aryaputra · Post by **Aryaputra** » 05 May 2011 01:23

It is quite clear that the US will keep using pakistan and take all it can get from them. US still thinks it has leverage on pakistan because of the recent events and this will tone down the criticism that pakistan's govt does on surgical strikes. A CIA operative used the exact term: Leverage.

Obviously, this means that US is blindly ignoring radical islamic factions in pakistan that cause terror in India and only focusing on those that have operations in europe and north america.

I hope that the MMRCA rejection puts some things in perspective for the US and they don't take India for granted. Time will tell.

Devesh Rawal · Post by **Devesh Rawal** » 05 May 2011 01:24

apologies if this has already been posted:

The postponement of talks follow the killing of Osama bin Laden by U.S. special forces in a Pakistani compound on Sunday and authorities' calls for vigilance in case of retaliatory attacks.

The IMF mission was to have discussed budget targets for the fiscal year 2011/12 and reviewed economic and policy developments under Pakistan's $11 billion IMF loan program, the spokesman said.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wo ... y-worries/

The stick is coming already...

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 05 May 2011 01:25

Tamang wrote:
AnimeshP wrote:Zaid Hamid is back !!! Patton style speech ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb3dmzKd6fQ

Warning by the mahdi to the YYY ....
"We've ruled you for 1000 years and we'll rule for another 1000"
"....we'll see you in Delhi once again...."

This guy is asking for some zhapads.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 May 2011 01:30

Gagan, The US op are like adminstering an emetic to TSP to make them cough out the Islamist Fundamentalism. However we dont know if it has already entered the bloodstream and if its only to cough out specific global oriented elements.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 May 2011 01:31

These are bad days for Pakistan.

Jahil Hamid (piss be upon him) is discredited, and is desperate.
The ISI is desperate.

These two might join hands once again, with Hamid spouting ISI readouts on TV and making asnine analysis again.

The only emotion I have is of pity at this poor, incoherent, disturbed individual, who is still trying to preserve H&D after the unthinkable has happened.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 05 May 2011 01:34

The cousins (or siblings) protecting Osama had fake identity cards

American officials have described the owners as "brothers", and neighbours recalled seeing a pair of men, possibly ethnic Pashtuns from the rugged western frontier, who largely kept to themselves.

Their names were reported in local media as Bara Khan and Chota Khan, or Arshad Pathan and Chota Pathan. A Pakistani official said the mystery surrounding the two men has deepened with the discovery that their national identity cards were faked.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/osama ... 110504.htm

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 May 2011 01:35

apologies if posted already... the noose is tightening...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42881728/ns ... bin_laden/

The NSA intercepted cell phone calls by the couriers and family members for months, the officials, as part of the 24/7 surveillance of the compound. Along with the overhead imagery, the intelligence derived from the cell phones permitted the US to learn the "patterns of life" at the compound, meaning who came and went and who had responsibility for security.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the courier who used the nom de guerre Abu Ahmad al Kuwaiti, whose real name has not been made public, and others in the compound used cell phones to communicate.

"They didn’t use land lines or the Internet, but they did use something else, cell phones," said the official.

...

"Evidence of planned attacks."
"Information that could lead to other high-value targets or networks that we don't know about."
"The sustaining network for bin Laden himself in Pakistan — what allowed him to live in that compound as long as he did

...
The most notable previous bonanza that has publicly been revealed was uncovered in July 2004, when al-Qaida computer expert Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan was captured in Pakistan. His laptop computer provided a trove of information and more than 1,000 compact disk drives it will be fun if they release the list of Bollywood movie names OBL was watchingthat were found in his apartment.
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amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 05 May 2011 01:36

fart hamid is a clown. He provides entertainment for those who wants to know pakis.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 05 May 2011 01:39

any statements from the massoud camp in Afg? The Lion of Panjshir has finally been avenged !!!

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 05 May 2011 01:45

Reuters got hold of some pics....It may not be of OBL, but others who were in the house with him

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 May 2011 01:45

ramana saar,
I suspect that the US is pretty clear on the following:
1. It is not their duty to cure the Pakistani army of its love for terrorism. They can as allies of Pakistan, advise them, chide them, to end this, but they will stop short of actually holding a gun to their heads to put an end to it.
2. The only point where they will hold a gun to Pakistan's head is when terrorism affects US's interests.
3. They will use some influence to urge pakistan to stop using terrorism against India, but will stop well short of actually preventing pakistan from doing so. They will sabotage pakistani attempts at doing a 26/11 type of major attack or a WMD attack, but the smaller ones are still on.
4. The US realizes that Pakistan is headed for disaster, and once the US's interests are served, they will get off. They have more than done their part in advising, guiding, chiding, pakistan to stop their ultimately self-destructive ways. They won't do the heavy lifting for Pakistan to prevent it from destruction.
5. The same applies to India. The US won't do the heavy lifting for India to end terrorism directed at it. Pakistan has a genetic hatred for India, and so it is India's duty to take care of it and manage it as it sees fit.
6. All said and done, the US sees a very bright future in engaging with India, indeed the possibilities are almost endless. At the end of the Af-Pak problem, the US will still be engaged with Pakistan, but in an aloof sort of a way, and without much warmth, and certainly not much aid, but engaged they will still be.

My do naye paise

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 May 2011 01:48

Paki contemplation on OBL's death...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13280814

By Syed Shoaib Hasan
BBC News, Islamabad

Protests over Bin Laden's death have been few and far between so far in Pakistan

Pakistanis have been shocked into silence by the killing of Osama Bin Laden.

There have been few protests - or public expressions of any kind - since US Navy Seals killed the al-Qaeda leader in Abbottabad on Sunday night.

"I feel numb - I really don't know what to say," Arsalan Mateen, a manager in a Karachi-based multinational company, told the BBC.

"Frankly speaking, I think this is just going to lead to more bloodshed in Pakistan.

"They have just killed one person - not destroyed the operational command and control structure of al-Qaeda. There are grave implications for Pakistan's internal security. I really don't think it's going to make this region, or the world any safer."

But it's not just the fall-out from the special forces' raid that has Pakistanis worried.

Many believe the whole incident was just a ruse to portray the country in a bad light - and that Osama Bin Laden was never in the compound in the first place.

"We don't know whether Osama was there - we never saw their bodies or the bodies of the others killed in the attack," says Shaista Bukhari, a housewife from Islamabad, echoing a widely-held view here.

"There are so many lies coming out of all governments that the truth seem like lies and lies like the truth. We can't believe their version of events till we have absolute proof."

"America has killed the man they said was responsible for all those attacks - it's time for them to leave us in peace” Arsalan Mateen, Karachi manager

Like Mrs Bukhari, many here are suspicious about the claims that Pakistani officials were not told of the raid and were unaware about Bin Laden's hiding place.

"Our armed forces are always assuring us that they will protect us. I can't believe they let this happen," says Mr Mateen.

"This means the entire world can now point fingers at Pakistan and call it a state that supports people the West calls terrorists and militants."

This is another point on which most Pakistanis differ from the West - whether Bin Laden was responsible for all he has been accused of.

"They say he was responsible for the New York (9/11) attacks, but have never given any concrete evidence,what about that Bin Laden tape?" says Shahnawaz, a shopkeeper in Islamabad.

"He was just fighting for the rights of oppressed Muslims everywhere - that was his real fault."

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 05 May 2011 01:49

Gagan wrote: No one has done a risk analysis of weather taking out OBL was a good move, or was warranted at this point of time. Because OBL was holed up without direct communication with his underlings, and no longer involved in the day to day planning of attacks. Now OBL is gone, but the guys who actually were planning and executing the attacks get an opportunity perhaps to cover their tracks. OBL was an important figurehead and really important, though for many reasons. (Personally I am really glad he was taken out.)

Similar thought occurred to me last night - if getting OBL who was a mere figurehead now (as opposed to Zawahiri or Mullah O.) in the most confrontational and public way possible was the best card US had in its hand then it is indeed worrying since it implies that:

(a) US has little idea of where the real operational terror heads are inside Pakistan (that might change with the intel retrieved from OBL's compound but that remains to be seen).

(b) Getting the real operational terror heads is going to be now infinitely difficult as they have already been warned and will scatter as fast as the Pakis can manage it.

(c) Given the problems at home and as soon as the harsh realities of daily life hits the US public after the euphoria evaporates, GOTUS might use this to back out of AfPak, sternly warn Pakis not to launch terror attacks on US soil/installations which frees us all the Paki jihadi scum to focus on India knowing fully well that after every terror incident on Indian soil, US will ask India to ratchet down the tension, indulge in talks and dossier-bazi and basically molly coddle the Pakis despite the gravest of casualties and provocations. Very very worrying indeed. The only positive aspect of this OBL drama is that the US public finally sees the true face of Pakistan but it will go off their radar once US body bags stop coming from AfPak whereas India has to live with it for the rest of their lives.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 05 May 2011 01:50

Gagan wrote: The other fallout is that now everyone, even in the US, are going to say that OBL is dead, let us get out of Af-Pak on the double. That is bad! The LET, the Jihadi groups, the Taliban, the various networks (haqqanis, hekmatyars etc) and the mother of them all the ISI-Pakistan army and their terror loving ways are all alive and kicking.
From the world's POV (and that is US, India, and everyone else) it is important that the US stay the course and severely degrade the capacity of these guys to cause terror, and cure the Pakistan army and the ISI from it love of terrorism and terrorists for good.

saar, it is ok if US leaves. Like right now. We managed before when we were having less money. All these badasses you listed, they were all handled for years without fanfare. It is not like US did anything explicit to lower the terror attacks against India or bring justice to Indian victims. even post 911, these attacks against India still continued. What gradually stopped them is this - the attacks that get through our shields, they blowed back to damage Pakis more than us. In that sense, 911 attacks and US attention helped, but not because US willingly wanted it to be that way. Due to decentralized (read: internet) media power, it is going to damage pakis even more in future.

And we will do a lot better now than before.
1) We are richer, have a bigger stick than the 90s and increasingly, we do not want to be disturbed from our comforts by rabid pakis throwing grenades
2) if US leaves now, his thoughts are not going to be "how to keep paki AMRAAMs in operational readiness"

3) so many more compact bums dotting the landscape, with chinese inputs.

So "US staying the course" just means more money, upgrades and tech support for heavy weapons of Paki army. Nothing more nothing less.

But US wont leave due to #3 reason above. Unless the US has an explicit Nunn-Lugar act for the paki situation, why should an Indian listen to US lectures on morality? They helped make this toxic brew, they need to neutralize it too. Like paki version of a "Fat Prabha by the beach" Opera.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 05 May 2011 01:50

Dipanker wrote:
Baikul wrote:The decision to not show the pictures is a mistake IMO.

Pakjabis and many in the Muslim world are full throttle paranoids and conspiracy theorists on a good day. This will just make it easier for them.

They should release the pictures, if not now, then soon.
How hard it is to ask Osama Bin laden's daughter who was present when he got shot in the face?

It's an idea, but tedious in execution. Who's going to get near her to ask her? And who will listen to what 'a child' says?

Pictures are simpler, easier, more direct.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 May 2011 01:55

Gagan, Agree with all but part of 5. They Pakis don't have genetic hatred. They have acquired hatred based on support form UK, US, PRC and others who feed their negativity and restrain India..

And one of the ex-chefs was talkin gon Fox of distributed cells and local commands. So they do know that.

HN, India stood like a blast wall and deflected the jihadi wave back into TSP. I said this same analogy some moons ago. Glad you too came to the conclusion.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 May 2011 01:59

Flashback '08 McCain, Clinton Slam Obama For Saying He'd Go Get Bin Laden In Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYefHfokP44

( These guys still remain the Defender Of Pakistan.)

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 05 May 2011 02:09

A few new pictures (including some dead guys) - Warning : Graphic pictures
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery ... 84&index=1

csubash · Post by **csubash** » 05 May 2011 02:18

RajeshA wrote:The policy of giving protection and sheltering a leader of some group who is on the run is an old tactic. It gives the protector the ability to control the group. So one can expect, that Pakistanis were trying to control Al Qaeda, Arab jihadists in the region, etc., basically anybody who had pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda! This way the Pakistanis could control the direction of terror, intensity of terror, timing of terror, responsibility of any outfits, organizational hierarchy of various outfits, cooperation amongst various outfits, dialog between various outfits, any rebellion against the Pakistani Establishment, etc. All this constitutes power!

Anybody who is wanted outside Pakistan, whose foot-soldiers are in wars outside Pakistan, are eligible for Pakistani protection, giving them power, power with which they then negotiate with foreign governments for concessions in lieu for Pakistani cooperation.

Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Mullah Mohammed Omar, Ibrahim Dawood are some examples! Even the West indulges in such practices! After all, Altaf Hussain, Pervez Musharraf, earlier Benazir Bhutto were all living in London.

The day Pakistan loses its captives - OBL, Zawahiri, Mullah Omar, etc. Pakistan would lose control over various jihadist organizations in Pakistan, and they will start eating away Pakistan!

RajeshA
To an extent this true. I don't think power alone is the reason for this. Pakisatan's almost entire population has been communal & I don't think the army, politicians, bureaucrats are any different. The first & foremost reason for providing sanctuary to these vermins is religion. Way behind are other reasons. This is not just true for Pakisatan alone. Almost the entire middle east is like this.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 05 May 2011 02:19

Dipanker wrote:
CRamS wrote:
Amazing isn't it. The fact that OBL was US's blue-eyed boy once upon a time, remmeber that b%$&*rd Zbig Brizensky in goggles cheering on OBL & his jihadis on why they are doing God's work in confronting the Soviets and why US will not let them down? Can't believe the same OBL is now enemy and his killing is cheered like drunk zombies.

The same OBL decided to become enemy by himself, by launching the 1993 WTC bombing, 1996 Dahran Bombing in Saudi Arabia, 1998 Nairobi bombing, 2000 Cole Bombing, and the 9/11, and the 100's other after 9/11. You can't blame Uncle Sam for that. It was only after the Nairobi bombing of 1998 which killed over 280+ people, that Uncle decided to pursue him.

Not to mention OBL is not Saddam. He was never "US blue-eyed boy", they dealt with him primarily through the ISI itself.

OBL used the US and they also used him. He decided to pursue a different path after Gulf War 1.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 05 May 2011 02:23

Prasad wrote:A few new pictures (including some dead guys) - Warning : Graphic pictures
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery ... 84&index=1

^

Images sold by a Pakistanese Security official

Talk about new lows for the Pakistanese, profiting from the death of their Amir-e-Ulooma.

Hope the fundoos are taking note and have their own pack of cards with Ass-Saf KiyaNahi as the king of Spades

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 05 May 2011 02:32

Have the three Pest-e-shaheed in the photographs posted by Prasadji been IDed?

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 05 May 2011 02:40

The decision to not show the pictures is a mistake IMO.

Pakjabis and many in the Muslim world are full throttle paranoids and conspiracy theorists on a good day. This will just make it easier for them.

They should release the pictures, if not now, then soon.

Disagree. Sadly, eventually it will come out/leaked but I do not want to see it.

A few photos won't make these CTists see any wiser and it is not anyone's job to make them wiser.

But in the meantime, it trivializes life, like that of the hapless victims that were decapitated or were deliberately left partially decapitated by the promoters of his ideology.

So ignore noise about, the reason for not releasing the photo for the fear of increasing the threat of retaliation (that didn't stop BO from sending in the SEALs now did it?)
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Also, ignore noise about not wanting the grave to turn into shrine.

OBL by virtue of burial at sea is undead forever, and serves as a warnig to his ilk that no amount of killing of kaffirs guarantees a spot in heaven, is good enough for me.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 05 May 2011 02:42

Were fabricated/forged very early on, or were created initially and later destroyed (as recently as after Sunday night).

So hizb was in a property dispute with OBL. Khosla ka ghosla?? These dumba$$e$ truely believe that there is no such as bad publicity.

John · Post by **John** » 05 May 2011 02:48

UBanerjee wrote:
OBL used the US and they also used him. He decided to pursue a different path after Gulf War 1.

He was end product of CIA cold war strategy to use islamic fundamentalism as a weapon against countries with muslim minority (Russia, Yugoslavia, even India and China).

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 May 2011 02:50

I am little saddend and peeved by burial of UBL under Arya Ocean. USA has played a big joke on us and hurt our H&D.
The best place to do the final rites in broad day light was Crocodile farm in Florida.OTOH, US can rectify the situation by making arrangement to send all Poaks to the bottom of Aryasamundra so they can say final good bye to everyone.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 05 May 2011 02:56

Bicchar or no bicchar, photu or no photu, if he really is alive, then now would be a good time to for him to release a videotape, and embarass the mighty khans. So the absence of that would prove he is dead. However, in a situation like this, I am not sure if there could be any photo that would be 100% convincing that it was taken on location of him, on that day, short of a group shot with the seals before the shoot with enough current date-day-time bearing things in the photo to be impossible to photoshop...

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 05 May 2011 02:58

For the convenience of Pakjabis, I recommend a shrine dedicated to the great Sheikh, at very the place he is buried.

Five star accommodations, absolutely free of cost, cordon bleu cooking, pray as long as you want. Minor point, due to a temporary glitch, you may have to walk up to it the last 10 miles or so.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 05 May 2011 03:00

I hope the US leaves soon. And stops funding the TSP. #1 item should be a travel restriction on RAPES going to massa land. That is the only thing that will start draining this poison.

Despite the a$$ licking Panda land can't step it. TSP is not worth pi$$ing off the 800 pound gorilla.

Undoubtedly the Karachi Pirates will then link up with the Somali Pirates.

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 05 May 2011 03:21

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NRao · Post by **NRao** » 05 May 2011 03:25

I think the UN should manage Pakistan, under a very, very strict, blanket rule. Before the US leaves A'stan this should happen.

Mass a huge naval force and perhaps force Pakistan to shove her nuclear cards. Either way the Paki Army has to be shown a way out and how to behave.

ISI should be strip searched.

And, Paki PMs should not be allowed to write opeds here on out.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 05 May 2011 03:25

Dear American citizens of BRF. This is your one chance to lobby for cutting funds to Pakistan. This is it. Please write letters to your senators. Lobby Ram narayanan at the Indian American friendship council. Mobilize and act as a unit. Instead of blaming GoI, each one of you have the individual power to lobby your senators with DAMNING evidence and actually cause some change with US Pak dealings. I know I am drafting a letter to my MP, will you?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 05 May 2011 03:36

Theo_Fidel wrote:Undoubtedly the Karachi Pirates will then link up with the Somali Pirates.

Maybe not a bad thing, because India will undoubtedly be impacted and would have to take more steps than today to protect its shores and businesses. This might warm up some jingo hearts because India will have to kick some bad-asses in the Arabian Sea.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 05 May 2011 03:55

ManuT wrote:
Were fabricated/forged very early on, or were created initially and later destroyed (as recently as after Sunday night).
So hizb was in a property dispute with OBL. Khosla ka ghosla?? These dumba$$e$ truely believe that there is no such as bad publicity.

I was trying to say that Hizb transfered the ownership to ISI but those documents (and all copies) have subsequently been destroyed, there could be a hawala trail of transactions between ISI and Hizb which should tell a few stories.

BTW, nice one on OBL being 'undead', puts it in perspective for all the zombie movie addicts!

CRamS ji, sorry to hear your story. I guess you can say that you cannot have claimed to have lived unless you face a fork in the road and find that the way you chose is blocked, forcing you to take the other way.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 May 2011 03:56

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ParGha wrote:A couple of points relating to India that seems to have passed out of BRF memory, in interest of history:

* OBL and AQ became the primary paymasters of Ilyas Kashmiri & Co.+ over the past few years.
* OBL & Co. helped suppress and slaughter a Shia rebellion in Gilgit-Baltistan area in 1990s.

+ For those of you who don't remember, IK styles himself a "ghazi" after mutiliating the bodies of an IA officer and an NCO in early 2000s (or 1999?). He is reportedly running most of AQ's military training these days.