Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

[Charlie]

Embassy receiving threats after Bin Laden raid: Haqqani

“I’m getting threatening phone calls. My embassy is getting threatening phone calls…Instead of recognising what Pakistan has contributed, the failure is being pointed out,” Haqqani said.

This Slick idiot wont let any opportunity go by. He is playing victimhood card on Charle Rose Show.

[Pratyush]

Tauba Tauba,

The Pakis are being threatned in Khan land for hiding the MOST WANTED Terrorist in TSP.

Who could have thunk it that the US people in khanland will take matters in their own hand and call TSP, TSP.

Shocking I tell you.

[Altair]

Breaking News
Salman Bashir is LIVE and issues a thinly veiled threat against US. He is saying that they are a proud nation and are proud of the Military, Air Force and specifically mentions the Inter Services Intelligence. Something is underway guys. No doubt about it.

[shiv]

Breaking News
Salman Bashir is LIVE and issues a thinly veiled threat against US. He is saying that they are a proud nation and are proud of the Military, Air Force and specifically mentions the Inter Services Intelligence. Something is underway guys. No doubt about it.

Military wise only hot air is under way. Terror wise I don't know.

[shiv]

per forbes article: chinooks flew from abbotabad to the carl vinsen... thats a long flight over hostile airspace?

Initial reports spoke of "Afghan airspace" The US is deliberately fudging here IMO

[Lalmohan]

well, they could have flown him in the helo to tarbela/jalalabad/bagram, transfered him into a Viking and then flown that to the carl vinsen, or a hawkeye - other birds don't seem to have the right characteristics

[Chandragupta]

^^ You are wrong. Pakis love to consume Indian stuff.

Pakis consume Indian TV/ movies (Plausible Deniability ) but not things like cars with Tata/ Made in India logos...

You are underestimating the hypocrisy and perfidy of Pakistanis. They are the most ******** bunch of people on this planet. They will happily chant 'Death to India' while driving a Nano. After Osama's killing, I am sure there are many Palitistanis (as one Porki called Pakistan) in the West stepping over each other to call themselves 'Indians', who are otherwise the most vigorous keyboard warriors on deffndumb calling India names & talking of H&D. No level is too low for Pakistanis.

[shyamd]

Don't think US is ready to dump Pakistan as a client state. But they want some type of pressure of TSPA so that they stop anti west terror and harbouring such types. Let's see what unkil can get out of them.

A lot of people LOL'ing at pak FM's statements at press conference.

Lots of anger at pak army for letting US come in the way they did. Fears that india can nuke nude TSP.
Pak army is under lot of pressure now - from people because they failed to stop unkil coming in.
- unkil angry at ISI for harbouring him
- taleban and AQ allies for giving OBL up.

Lol!

[Sanku]

Picked up from the real Pakistan thread and added to this for greater visibility.

http://www.polls.newsvine.com/_vine/ima ... 585194.jpg

[Ambar]

^^ You are wrong. Pakis love to consume Indian stuff.

Indeed.



Notice packs of Moov, Godrej Hair dye, Dabar Kesh Kala etc on the rack ? If i'm not mistaken, 'Prudent Toothpaste' is a Indian brand too .

[jrjrao]

Ficked up editorial in the London Financial Times says that the solution now requires India to bugger out of Afghanistan, and for India to solve Cashmere:

Pakistan’s lethal jihadi dalliance

That Osama bin Laden should be found and killed hiding in plain sight near the Pakistani miltary’s staff college is shocking, but not surprising. This has happened before, notoriously when Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the operations chief for 9/11, was captured eight years ago in another garrison town, Rawalpindi, living cheek-by-jowl with Pakistan’s top generals.

Enough is enough. The dalliance with jihadism of certain Pakistani generals and spy-chiefs has to end. David Cameron, the British prime minister, was no doubt undiplomatic last July when he suggested elements in Pakistan’s military and intelligence establishment were “facing both ways” on terror groups. But he was, in fact, right.

The death of bin Laden opens up the possibility of hiving off the Afghan Taliban from al-Qaeda and pursuing a political solution to the war in Afghanistan. But Pakistan will not be weaned off its addiction to jihadi proxies unless three things happen – all of them necessary for an end to the Afghan war.

Pakistan’s legitimate security concerns in Afghanistan must be recognised; India is (EMPHASIS IN ORIGINAL SOURCE) using the country to work against Islamabad, especially in Baluchistan. Detente with India and a solution to Kashmir must be addressed; if not there is no hope of changing the worldview of Pakistan’s praetorians.

Last but not least, Pakistan’s military and political elite must realise before it is too late they are gambling the future of the nation.

[shiv]

The toothpaste is Pepsodent. Not Indian specifically

[anupmisra]

Why is Pakistan so obsessed and scared of Afghanistan? AFAIK They never ruled over Afghanistan in any form, then why this need to hold Afghanistan?

TIA.

In nutshell because of Durand Line! Theoretically FATA and NWFP should be part of Afghanistan after the lapse of 100 years long Afghan British treaty of 1893. A non pliant Afghan govt. may want them back. Remember even the Taliban did not recognize Durand Line?

That above answers the first part of the question. The second part has to do with the history of the region. Pakjabis (read pa'astan army) have traditionally been fearful of the pakhtoons for historical reasons. Recall all those attacks from the west since time immemorial. Saviours of the the pakjabi H&D have traditionally (i.e., historically) been the Mauryans, Mahratthas, Sikh and the Gurkhas. Now that the PA has neither, the ancient fears have resurfaced ever since '47. Hence, in my opinion, the punjabi elite in the PA have tried to deal with this fear in two ways: recruit more of their own pakhtoons into the PA, and resist the dissoultion of the Durand Line till kingdom come. If pakhtoons from both sides of the border unite, then the next international boundary will likely be on the shores of the river Indus.

[Baikul]

Ficked up editorial in the London Financial Times says that the solution now requires India to bugger out of Afghanistan, and for India to solve Cashmere:

Pakistan’s lethal jihadi dalliance

That Osama bin Laden should be found and killed hiding in plain sight near the Pakistani miltary’s staff college is shocking, but not surprising. This has happened before, notoriously when Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the operations chief for 9/11, was captured eight years ago in another garrison town, Rawalpindi, living cheek-by-jowl with Pakistan’s top generals.

Enough is enough. The dalliance with jihadism of certain Pakistani generals and spy-chiefs has to end. David Cameron, the British prime minister, was no doubt undiplomatic last July when he suggested elements in Pakistan’s military and intelligence establishment were “facing both ways” on terror groups. But he was, in fact, right.

The death of bin Laden opens up the possibility of hiving off the Afghan Taliban from al-Qaeda and pursuing a political solution to the war in Afghanistan. But Pakistan will not be weaned off its addiction to jihadi proxies unless three things happen – all of them necessary for an end to the Afghan war.

Pakistan’s legitimate security concerns in Afghanistan must be recognised; India is (EMPHASIS IN ORIGINAL SOURCE) using the country to work against Islamabad, especially in Baluchistan. Detente with India and a solution to Kashmir must be addressed; if not there is no hope of changing the worldview of Pakistan’s praetorians.

Last but not least, Pakistan’s military and political elite must realise before it is too late they are gambling the future of the nation.

In other words we've been bitten time and again by a mad, paranoid, vicious snake and our considered, nay well thought out, solution is to bring retribution to whoever is living in that snake's vicinity.

To the writer of this FT story: F*ck you and f*ck the horse you rode in on. I've seen better analysis on my used toilet paper every morning.

[Altair]

Judging by the reaction of Salman Bashir and Knowing Pakis, I would not be surprised if they poke Indian border within the next 24 hours. Its just the psyche to keep us on the edge and show their tactical brilliance. I say just shoot anything which comes our way. Politics will be debated for the next 10 years and beyond. Let them start a fight. We finished them 4 times successfully.

[jrjrao]

Benis material from the earth-s-shaster edit:

India in its true colours again
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=90404

INDIA has never missed the opportunity of Pakistan-bashing and its reaction to the Abbottabad operation by the US forces has once again highlighted New Delhi’s venomous attitude towards Islamabad. Following immediate statement of Home Minister who accused Pakistan of sponsoring terrorism, now Indian Air Chief P V Naik has tried to bully Pakistan by claiming that his force has the capability of surgical strikes like that of the United States demonstrated in Abbottabad.

American action, in a way, encourages others to follow the suit and that is why there is great resentment in the country over violation of the country’s sovereignty by the US forces.

We are confident that Pakistan Air Force is fully prepared and geared to take up any challenge from the eastern border but still the Government and PAF authorities should sit together to ponder over ways and means to strengthen its capabilities to send right signal to our enemies that they would get a matching response for any adventure.

We say this because the authorities concerned have adopted an unacceptable position on the issue of Abbottabad operation by maintaining that our radar system remained clueless about intrusion by American helicopters which took advantage of ‘black spots’ on radar. Who will buy the logic that there is an uninterrupted and contagious corridor of black spots right from the Durand Line to Abbottabad?

It pains each and every Pakistani that our forces were unaware of the intrusion and 40-minute drama that was played so close to a military facility.

[Chandragupta]

Right now on News - Firing across the LoC by Porkis. Already predicted on BRF days back.

[rajanb]

Pakistan’s legitimate security concerns in Afghanistan must be recognised; India is (EMPHASIS IN ORIGINAL SOURCE) using the country to work against Islamabad, especially in Baluchistan. Detente with India and a solution to Kashmir must be addressed; if not there is no hope of changing the worldview of Pakistan’s praetorians.

Last but not least, Pakistan’s military and political elite must realise before it is too late they are gambling the future of the nation.

Coming from the FT in UK?

They are the main cause of the Kashmir and the Palestinian issues. Not worth using as toilet paper. What they did by partitioning India and creating Palestine was the first step in accelarating their painful spiral to a second rate power!

So much for democracies of the world having strategic interests.

The term Strategic Alliance in their dictionary is that we become their vassal state.

Does their statement about India using Afghans against Pakistan mean we have covert ops?

[archan]

^^ They are outdated and toothless people. They'll come salivating at business prospects a la East India Company once again. This time they will receive bamboos up theirs though.

[Rangudu]

Breaking News
Salman Bashir is LIVE and issues a thinly veiled threat against US. He is saying that they are a proud nation and are proud of the Military, Air Force and specifically mentions the Inter Services Intelligence. Something is underway guys. No doubt about it.

Nothing new here. Kayani and co are too "de-briefed" to speak in public, so they are talking via the foreign office babus. Expect the following:

1. H&D enhancing bluster
2. Firing of Chinese dingdongs
3. Raising the temperature with India via usual press proxies, attacks in J&K and/or other parts of India or Indian interests in Afghanistan

[SSridhar]

If pakhtoons from both sides of the border unite, then the next international boundary will likely be on the shores of the river Indus.

anup, don't also forget that roughly 30% of PA is Pashtun. Significant sections of transportation within Pakistan are dominated by the hardy Pashtuns. Karachi has the largest concentration of Pashtuns. Islamabad/Rawalpindi are uncomfortably close to the Pashtun badlands. Ayub Khan characterized the Royal Afghan Army as flies which could be swatted with a brigade of the PA, just as he said that a few well-directed blows to cowardly Hindus would make them run away. Poor Ayub, he didn't pay enough attention in the school for his history classes. For all their cosiness with the Taliban, they never compromised on the issue of the Durand Line. They stuck to their claims of Greater Pakhtunistan and how a pencil line drawn randomly by a Britisher could not deprive them of their legal and inalienable rights. Besides, Afghanistan is the only route available to Pakistan for access to CAR, with relationship with Iran being always problematic.

All in all, the Taliban were no pushover for the PA/ISI. The more I think of Pakistan, the more I feel that today they have only one friendly country around them and that is India (apart from of course PRC).

[kmkraoind]

Legislation introduced in House of Representatives to freeze financial aid to Pakistan - India Today

[rajithn]

^^ You are wrong. Pakis love to consume Indian stuff.

Indeed.

Notice packs of Moov, Godrej Hair dye, Dabar Kesh Kala etc on the rack ? If i'm not mistaken, 'Prudent Toothpaste' is a Indian brand too .

Not just that. Indian cars are re-exported through the Middle east with the Maruti part of the decals removed, bajaj bikes, bus chassis, steel, iron ore.

In some cases, the educated pakis know that the stuff they are using comes from india (but dont acknowledge it) but for the average paki..india cannot manufacture a safety pin without russia's help

[RamaY]

If pakhtoons from both sides of the border unite, then the next international boundary will likely be on the shores of the river Indus.

anup, don't also forget that roughly 30% of PA is Pashtun. Significant sections of transportation within Pakistan are dominated by the hardy Pashtuns. Karachi has the largest concentration of Pashtuns. Islamabad/Rawalpindi are uncomfortably close to the Pashtun badlands. Ayub Khan characterized the Royal Afghan Army as flies which could be swatted with a brigade of the PA, just as he said that a few well-directed blows to cowardly Hindus would make them run away. Poor Ayub, he didn't pay enough attention in the school for his history classes. For all their cosiness with the Taliban, they never compromised on the issue of the Durand Line. They stuck to their claims of Greater Pakhtunistan and how a pencil line drawn randomly by a Britisher could not deprive them of their legal and inalienable rights. Besides, Afghanistan is the only route available to Pakistan for access to CAR, with relationship with Iran being always problematic.

All in all, the Taliban were no pushover for the PA/ISI. The more I think of Pakistan, the more I feel that today they have only one friendly country around them and that is India (apart from of course PRC).

Well said SSji! I wonder why it never occurred to US that perhaps they should support creation of an islamic emirate of Pakthunistan (IEP) and secular democratic republic of Afghanistan (SDRA). And make that IEP their base. That would solve quite a few issues for Unki.

[rajithn]

Ficked up editorial in the London Financial Times says that the solution now requires India to bugger out of Afghanistan, and for India to solve Cashmere:

To the writer of this FT story: F*ck you and f*ck the horse you rode in on. I've seen better analysis on my used toilet paper every morning.

Read the comments.

[SSridhar]

I now expect the PA to move troops to the Indian border, PAF to send CAP sorties and the politicians to up the war ante against India.

[atma]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110505/ap_ ... _bin_laden

ISLAMABAD – Pakistan's army ordered a reduction in U.S. military personnel operating inside the country on Thursday in apparent protest at a unilateral American commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

Meretricious relationship unraveling

[Altair]

SSridhar,
GHQ Rawalpindi had a kitty party today. All the top brass were in their best mood singing, dancing and flirting...
Any guesses what would have been the mood at the end of this day?
Altair

[ramana]

SSridhar and others.
What about a two month all India boycott of Multinational company goods that do business in TSP? Can we organize a facebook/twitter campaign if it can cause some serious hurt?

[Anujan]

Forbes

when one of the helicopters, its blades clawing at hot, too-thin air, had to put down hard.

That is why Indians howl "Hot and high. Hot and High . Hot and high. The IAF knows this.

Plus I think the high compound wall would have created too much of an updraft.

[SaiK]

still the pakis are clueless why their radars didn't pickup uncle ops crafts and weapons. this is the reason uncle's $3b aid is all about for paki military.. another pointer is have uncle do the same switch off or jamming, when we send our spec ops. hey, after all we are to give uncle about $10-$30b order for the future defense sales. Some small scratch back would not hurt uncle at all.

uncle will ask for mutual scratch back.. and that is the $$$! If pakis continue to chase terror, they have no other option than have back stabbings via defense sales which in turn actually helps uncle's special ops.

btw, still waiting to hear newj on the sp ops as read by our sensors.

[Anujan]

Direct overt Baksheesh to the Pakis, here are a bunch of figures (PDF file)

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/pakaid.pdf

[shiv]

when one of the helicopters, its blades clawing at hot, too-thin air, had to put down hard.

Plus I think the high compound wall would have created too much of an updraft.

That was the initial explanation - the day after the raid. Now it's this (hot and high)

[RamaY]

still the pakis are clueless why their radars didn't pickup uncle ops crafts and weapons. this is the reason uncle's $3b aid is all about for paki military.. another pointer is have uncle do the same switch off or jamming, when we send our spec ops. hey, after all we are to give uncle about $10-$30b order for the future defense sales. Some small scratch back would not hurt uncle at all.

uncle will ask for mutual scratch back.. and that is the $$$! If pakis continue to chase terror, they have no other option than have back stabbings via defense sales which in turn actually helps uncle's special ops.

btw, still waiting to hear newj on the sp ops as read by our sensors.

Same thoughts here. Is that the assurance GoI got, that the high-ticket items are for Unkil's service only? Is that how unkil tries hold GoI ba**s; something like as long as you are my allies, you need not fear Paki toys. But when you go against my interests I cant assure the same. Is this why we see Indian alignment with US interests in geopolitical posturing, be it Iran or WANA?

Indian exit plan lies in MMRCA?

[SaiK]

how about: actually an entry plan with airborne support systems and surveillance platforms, tweaked for our doctrine. ?

[RamaY]

Imagine Indian PM coming live and saying that in a daring raid, Indian Special Ops group raided a compound in PoK and captured a Chinese design nuke bum that is prepared to go off in Muzaffarabad/

[arun]

Pakistan must no longer be allowed to play victim

Camilla Cavendish
From: The Times
May 06, 201112:00AM

BLAMING the rest of the world for Pakistan's failure to capture Osama bin Laden was not the most grown-up approach for its Prime Minister, Yousuf Raza Gilani, to take.

In the alleyways of Karachi, it is just possible that Osama bin Laden might have escaped notice, but not in the garrison town of Abbottabad.

Gilani can rail against the failure of other nations' intelligence agencies and demand support to combat terrorism. But every Pakistani I have spoken to in the past two days believes the army or the ISI intelligence agency must have known bin Laden's whereabouts.

"No one will be surprised now," one told me grimly, "if Mullah Omar (the Afghan Taliban leader) turns up next door."

The brutal exposure of Pakistan's double game taking America's money to fight extremists while harbouring its enemies makes this a dangerous moment. The US decision to go after bin Laden alone without telling the ISI is only the latest manifestation of the loss of patience that began when AQ Khan sold nuclear secrets to rogue states (the ISI claimed he acted alone) and has deepened since two jihadis testified that the ISI trained some of the perpetrators of the 2008 attacks in Mumbai.

The West cannot turn its back on Pakistan, which is a nuclear power, but it must rewrite the script so that the army cannot continue to play the victim card with Washington, asking for aid to combat extremism while blatantly failing in the mission and exporting terrorism elsewhere. ………………………..


The Australian

[anishns]

Imagine Indian PM coming live and saying that in a daring raid, Indian Special Ops group raided a compound in PoK and captured a Chinese design nuke bum that is prepared to go off in Muzaffarabad/

And then I will wake up....

[arun]

PAK PERFIDY WILL HAVE NO ENDURING IMPACT ON ITS TIES WITH US

Please read the full article. By Shri Raman.

Good Article

11.History is going to repeat itself now after the death of OBL at Abbotabad. One or two senior officers of the Army and the ISI will be identified by the US as responsible for the collusion. The US will ask for their heads. Pakistan will happily offer their heads.

12. The State-to-State relations will be back to their sickening normalcy. The pamperiong of Pakistan will resume. The exercise to feed and fatten the Pakistani Army and intelligence will resume.

The groundwork is being laid by the US for the rehabilitation of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Michele Flournoy, the top policy aide to US Defense Secretary Robert Gates chimes in:

Pentagon: No Firm Evidence of Pakistani Complicity

[R Vaidya]

Cross Posting from the Osama Killed --thread

Proposition 1
When US is unhappy with Pak it tilts to India
not true
Proposition 2
US should/will cut off Aid to Pak when angry with Pak.
Not true. Aid to Pak is a huge gravy train where Generals liberally help US dalals/Netas. Hillary told after Osama killing that " we need to continue to engage with Pak"
Proposition 3
India being Democracy US should be with it rather than Pak
Not true. US is more comfortable with dictators--Sometime India thinks on its own--and vote in UN
Proposition 4
US should dismantle terror infrastructure in Pak
Partly true .Only if it affects US. Not if it is against India
Proposition 5
US should work to split Pak.
No way-- It is expected/groomed as bulwork against China-Which may be a dream -only for US.
Proposition 6
India should grow to 6 tr economy and then deal with Pak
True . Since there is no choice. Leaders like Gujral/Advani/MMS--all born on the wrong side of the border are romantic about Pak-- Lahore Haveli/Halwa/Mujira etc.Plus since some of our netas have illegal money abroad our policies are not fully framed in Delhi

Hence--US is abused wife ,Pak rabid dog, we are impotent neighbours. In the short term 3-5 years we need to perhaps endure that which cannot be cured.By then from Banias, power might have hopefully shifted to Kshatrias.

R.Vaidya