Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 05 May 2011 22:00

@Arun

No firm Evidence that it was Osama

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 05 May 2011 22:02

@Viadya

Well put! Sad but true!

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 May 2011 22:02

Meanwhile the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, no doubt using the proceeds of US aid, is doing its bit to grease things:

Pakistan pays U.S. lobbyists to deny it helped bin Laden

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 May 2011 22:03

About Pakistan,Future is bright.
Mirror mirror on the Wall
Tell the world
Which is the
Land of Most Wanted,
Most Haunted ,
Most Taunted
And
Most Jaunted by ALL.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 May 2011 22:12

You kafirs are all totally orthogonal to madrassa philosophy! you all make no sense!

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 May 2011 22:14

X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

The Wall Street Journal reporting on the Islamic Terrorist supporting ways of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Strong words from Nasrullah Stanekzai, legal adviser to Afghan President Hamid Karzai:

ASIA NEWS
MAY 5, 2011, 1:03 P.M. ET

Pakistan's Support for Taliban Is Strong

By DION NISSENBAUM And MARIA ABI-HABIB

KABUL—Increased American scrutiny of Pakistan after Osama bin Laden's death isn't likely to force the Pakistani establishment to diminish its support of the Taliban-led Afghan insurgency at this stage, Afghan and coalition officials say.

Afghan leaders have long argued that the focus of the American war effort in the region should be on insurgent sanctuaries in Pakistan instead of in the Afghan countryside. Bin Laden's killing in his hideout just 40 miles about 60 kilometers from Islamabad provided ample fodder for Afghan leaders to hammer away at that point.

"This is Pakistan's state policy—they use terrorist groups for their regional interests," said Nasrullah Stanekzai, legal adviser to Afghan President Hamid Karzai. "I don't think Pakistan will change in the future." ……………….

WSJ

Sam · Post by **Sam** » 05 May 2011 22:15

arun wrote:Meanwhile the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, no doubt using the proceeds of US aid, is doing its bit to grease things:

So true and sad that Pakistan will literally buy US congressmen and maybe a couple of senators. It is election season next year and the US politician will welcome any kind of 'campaign contributions'.

In this regard I don't mind investigative Fox News journalists to uncover the US congressmen and senators who accept funds from Pakistan.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 05 May 2011 22:20

Pakistanis say U.S. shot bin Laden in "cold blood"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110505/wl_ ... _statement

A senior Pakistani security official said U.S. troops killed Osama bin Laden in "cold blood", fuelling a global controversy and straining a vital relationship Washington was trying to repair on Thursday. Some Americans, including many in Congress, have suggested that Washington attach more strings to the billions of dollars in aid it gives Pakistan, or even cut off Islamabad altogether.Cut it off cut it off

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 May 2011 22:31

The Economist weighs in on why the Islamic Republic of Pakistan reacted the way it did to the execution of Osama Bin Laden in Abbotabad:

Pakistan’s government, bracing itself for public anger and revenge attacks, grimly declared that it was caught unawares by the raid. Much harder to swallow are its claims that Pakistan’s blundering spies had no idea that Mr bin Laden had been kept, probably for years, not in a remote cave on the Afghan frontier but cradled in the arms of retired and serving generals in a pleasant hillside town. It prefers to plead incompetence, since admitting to the alternative is far more painful: that the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate (ISI), or rogue elements in it, had long harboured Mr bin Laden and that Pakistan’s leaders acquiesced in his killing, if at all, only moments before it was done.

Read it all:

The Economist[/b]

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 05 May 2011 22:59

Rajdeep wrote:Pakistanis say U.S. shot bin Laden in "cold blood"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110505/wl_ ... _statement
A senior Pakistani security official said U.S. troops killed Osama bin Laden in "cold blood"

Ohhh We are so sorrryy onleee...
SEALS must have waited till Osama gets a threesome with his young wife and his goat till he becomes warm? What kind of twisted psychos are they? These soldiers follow orders. If Osama is dead it only means that their orders were to kill. Why is it so difficult to get into their thick skulls.
And by the way, Did these people think twice before they murdered women and children in Mumbai?
India needs a Jon Stewart who can simply tear'em apart and make the pathetic country a living mockery.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 05 May 2011 23:03

Dear God. Please save us. From Amrikees who think and write things such as this. In high falutin The Atlantic, no less:

The Two Faces of Pakistan
Understanding an ally that hides terrorists even as it kills many of them
http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... an/238429/

Pakistan occupies a unique position in American foreign policy. "Any other country, we'd be calling them a state sponsor of terrorism," said a former senior U.S. diplomat. "It's inconceivable that we give $3 billion a year to a country that would harbor Osama bin Laden."

Why does Washington do this--and why is Washington virtually certain to continue providing aid to Pakistan despite the hue and cry in Congress over the bin Laden news? Because Pakistan is a nuclear-armed country that is still mainly secular. Washington has little choice but to support those secular strains and tamp down the Islamist ones, and it can't do this without the help of the Pakistani government, military, and intelligence apparatus,....

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 05 May 2011 23:10

jr^2, a little below that he blandly adds that India is a Hindu country. So, it is all secular TSP vs. Hindu India.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 05 May 2011 23:36

Pakistan pays U.S. lobbyists to deny it helped bin Laden

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Pakistan's Washington lobbyists have launched an intense campaign on Capitol Hill to counter accusations that Islamabad was complicit in giving refuge to Osama bin Laden.
Alarmed by lawmakers' demands to cut off billions of dollars of U.S. aid after bin Laden was found living in a Pakistani safe house for six years, President Asif Ali Zardari has ordered a full-court press to quell mounting accusations that it helped the al Qaeda leader avoid capture.
Mark Siegel, a partner in the Washington lobbying firm of Locke Lord Strategies -- which is paid $75,000 a month by the Pakistani government -- told Reuters on Thursday he had spoken twice to Zardari since U.S. special forces killed bin Laden on Sunday, and "countless" times to the Pakistani ambassador in Washington.
"They are certainly concerned," Siegel said, adding that suggestions the Pakistani government knew about bin Laden's whereabouts was nothing more than speculation.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 May 2011 23:39

^

India is a hindu country

Now that is a dead giveaway that the Hon parliamentarian is one of the people who got lobbied by the Na-Pakis.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 May 2011 00:27

Amber G. wrote:Pakistan pays U.S. lobbyists to deny it helped bin Laden
Edited: Posted before...

Watch the US lawmakers to wash their hands of Pakistan since they see imminent war - Pak may try to attack India with PRC help and US does not want to be caught unaware after the war starts.
One Senator has already said that US does not want to be any part of the Pak war with India. See if there is urgency in the part of the US administration with any initiatives.

Foreign lobby firms was OK if it was between state but OBL is personal for American people and this cannot be changed with lobby firms. US has for the first time allowed general American public to be part of the foreign policy towards Pakistan. Until now Pakistan was shielded from US public by giving them complete immunity. Watch of this is done to what extent.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 May 2011 00:54

Altair wrote: Pakistanis say U.S. shot bin Laden in "cold blood"
A senior Pakistani security official said U.S. troops killed Osama bin Laden in "cold blood"

Ohhh We are so sorrryy onleee...
SEALS must have waited till Osama gets a threesome with his young wife and his goat till he becomes warm? What kind of twisted psychos are they? These soldiers follow orders. If Osama is dead it only means that their orders were to kill. Why is it so difficult to get into their thick skulls.
And by the way, Did these people think twice before they murdered women and children in Mumbai?
India needs a Jon Stewart who can simply tear'em apart and make the pathetic country a living mockery.

They want human rights to be applied to their people but they dont want human rights inside Pakistan and for non muslims

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 May 2011 00:55

Which Senator was that?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 May 2011 01:03

http://schumer.senate.gov/

U.S. Senator Charles “Chuck” Ellis Schumer

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 06 May 2011 01:34

Gagan wrote:^

India is a hindu country
Now that is a dead giveaway that the Hon parliamentarian is one of the people who got lobbied by the Na-Pakis.

Can we maintain a terrorist mouthpieces list of goras under imperius curse?

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 06 May 2011 01:40

On CNN one senator said, we should be in porkistan not afghanistan....Porkistan where the problem is

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 May 2011 01:59

KLNMurthy wrote:
India is a hindu country
Gagan wrote:^

Now that is a dead giveaway that the Hon parliamentarian is one of the people who got lobbied by the Na-Pakis.
Can we maintain a terrorist mouthpieces list of goras under imperius curse?

No imperious curse this, they are all willing Death Eaters!

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 06 May 2011 02:03

Musharaff Physically threatened Saleh for OBL comments.

Afghan intelligence believed Osama bin Laden was hiding in an area close to Abbottabad four years ago – but no action was taken after the claim was furiously rejected by Pakistan's president, Afghanistan's former intelligence chief has said.

Agents working for the National Directorate of Security (NDS), the country's intelligence service, worked out that the world's most wanted man must be inside Pakistan proper, rather than the semi-autonomous tribal areas, as early in 2004, Amrullah Saleh told the Guardian.

He said they believed Bin Laden must be there based on "thousands of interrogation reports" and the assumption that Osama – "a millionaire with multiple wives and no background of toughness" – would not be living in a tent.

"I was pretty sure he was in the settled areas of Pakistan because in 2005 it was still very easy to infiltrate the tribal areas, and we had massive numbers of informants there," he said. "They could find any Arab but notBin Laden."

Their intelligence became more precise in 2007 when they believed he was hiding in Manshera, a town a short distance from Abbottabad where the NDS had identified two al-Qaida safe houses.

But the former spy chief said that Pervez Musharraf, then president of Pakistan, was outraged at the suggestion that Bin Laden was hiding in such a prominent part of the country.

In a meeting with Musharraf and Hamid Karzai the Pakistani president became furious and smashed his fist down on the table.(EDITED By MOD) "He said, 'Am I the president of the Republic of Banana?'" Saleh recalled. "Then he turned to President Karzai and said, 'Why have you have brought this Panjshiri guy to teach me intelligence?'"

He said Karzai had to intervene as Musharraf got increasingly angry and began to physically threaten Saleh .

Afghanistan's former top spy – who has long been a hate figure in Islamabad among officials who believed he was implacably anti-Pakistani – also said he had no doubts that Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban movement, was hiding in a safe house owned by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), the Pakistani spy agency, in the city of Karachi.

"He is protected by ISI, General Pasha [Lieutenant-General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, director-general of the ISI] knows as I am talking to you where is Mullah Omar and he keeps daily briefs from his officers about the location of senior Taliban leaders, simple," he said.

Saleh was speaking to the Guardian soon after addressing a rally of several thousand Afghans in Kabul organised as a show of strength of what he called Afghanistan's "anti-Taliban constituency" who are alarmed at the prospect of peace talks with insurgents.

The killing of Bin Laden, who was sheltered by the Taliban regime in the 1990s, has prompted heady speculation that an "end game" to the 10-year conflict is now at hand, with the Afghan government and the Taliban-led insurgency striking a deal.

But "deal making" were dirty words to the crowd gathered in a huge tent in Kabul lined with banners saying "We didn't vote for Karzai to make deals" and "Don't sacrifice justice for dealing".

Speeches were interrupted several times by chants from the crowd of "Death to the Taliban! Death to the suicide bombers! Death to the Punjabis!" – a reference to the protesters' view that the Taliban are under the control of the ISI.

Saleh is a burly and comparatively young man who earned the respect of the CIA during his sometimes brutal leadership of Afghanistan's intelligence service. He received a rapturous reception from the flag-waving crowd when he marched into the tent

Saleh lambasted Karzai for calling the Taliban disaffected "brothers".

"They are not my brother, they are not your brother – those are our enemies," he declared, to cheers.

Saleh warned the government that his movement would not remain content with peaceful demonstrations if Karzai did not change course. Later he told the Guardian that if Karzai "sold out in order to bring the Taliban" there would be no choice but to "rise up".

"We have been exposed to a lot of weapons, it is not very difficult to resort to fighting and create influence," he said.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 06 May 2011 02:07

These pokis are good at nautanki
They don't know a grain about Honor & Dignity...but still go bombastic about aanarrr and dignithy...its all fake

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 May 2011 02:43

Charlie wrote:"He said, 'Am I the president of the Republic of Banana?'"

Yes. Next question please.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 May 2011 02:54

Raja Bose wrote:
Charlie wrote:"He said, 'Am I the president of the Republic of Banana?'"

I think he meant Press-i-dent of R-PubeLick of Banana. Mushia has very accentric accent suitable for Poaking-lis taught by Djinn Masters and not spoken by kaffirs.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 May 2011 02:58

A genteel reminder to BRFites,
First jumma after OBL' death Chumma is on the horizon . Please keep your sensors fully tuned and mallished.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 06 May 2011 03:34

Paki's fire RPG at border post in LoC. Paki's signalling their despair. Now you know why MMS reiterated peace post OBL. They knew this was coming. Be on alert for terror attacks in desh now. They'll try any stunt to get them out of this situation.

I think US will settle for status quo wrt to india maintained. But cutting out AQ or anti western linked terrorists from Pakistan. Kayani & Pasha losing their jobs quietly.

Tariq Khan (mangal corps?) will grab the top job since he is seen hobnobing people in washington.
This shameem wynne guy is my prediction but he is holding his cards close to his chest. I think he would be a contender.

Let's see.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 06 May 2011 03:47

That RPG is in response to our ACM's remark.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 May 2011 03:51

Nahh! Its just some one venting.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 06 May 2011 04:03

It is a sign of desperation. When paki lost their golden goose. They have to find some ways to show their
mardangi to poor abdul. Now TFTAness is expose, and it turnsout they were hijdas all along

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 06 May 2011 04:14

Day 4: USA has enacted another "Don't squeeze Yahya" moment - Public admonishment has decreased somewhat, while public support in the form of no-cut-to-aid is being aired. Privately the riot act is being read out. Pakistan, its Army and ISI's image will take another 50 years to repair if it manages to be around at all. Despite all the bravado of the Paki administration, It has lost face big time. MMS is absolutely right to not squeeze TSP at this juncture ... Pakistani is being slow roasted anyway!

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 06 May 2011 05:12

Prem wrote:A genteel reminder to BRFites,
First jumma after OBL' death Chumma is on the horizon . Please keep your sensors fully tuned and mallished.

Yes yesh. Waiting for this day since Monday. Goood Moornin Land of Pure!!
Great match coming up at the land of pure in all stadiums.
I have been having a hard time reading all reports and news and the explosive thread here. It is going to be another severe round of backlog for the next 3 days.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 May 2011 05:29

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=15154
Mullah Omar should be 'worried': US general
( Rubbing Kiyani's running nose in dirt)

WASHINGTON: A top US general on Thursday said Taliban leader Mullah Omar should be "worried" after US forces killed Osama bin Laden, predicting the raid would damage the Afghan insurgency's morale.
Major General Richard Mills, who recently finished his tour commanding Marines in southern Afghanistan, said the assault on Bin Laden's compound in Pakistan demonstrated "that we don't leave our missions.""Once we've targeted you, we're going to maintain our focus on you until the mission's accomplished," he told reporters."If I was Mullah Omar I would certainly be worried. It shows the Americans are focused," the general said.Omar is the one-eyed spiritual leader of the insurgency who presided over the 1996-2001 Taliban regime in Kabul, which was toppled in a US invasion for its support of Al-Qaeda.Mills said the death of bin Laden would undermine the morale of the insurgents fighting the Kabul government while giving a "tremendous" boost to troops in the NATO-led force."I think that has to have a psychological impact on the leadership of the insurgency that's caused the trouble in Afghanistan," he said.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 06 May 2011 05:51

Prem wrote:A genteel reminder to BRFites,
First jumma after OBL' death Chumma is on the horizon . Please keep your sensors fully tuned and mallished.

Yes, stay tuned for the typical paki jumma after-effects that follow loss of H&D. But also remember that next week, it will be Friday the 13th.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 06 May 2011 05:58

From http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/lawye ... ama-103525

we see yet more evidence that every institution of any significance in Pakistan has been deeply Islamized and supports terrorism in all forms. Here, folks from the Peshawar high court express their support for Osama.

Peshawar: Funeral prayers in absentia for Osama bin Laden were offered on the premises of the Peshawar High Court in northwest Pakistan by a group of lawyers affiliated to the Jamaat-e-Islami.

The Islamic Lawyers Movement arranged the 'ghayabana namaz-e-janaza' that were led by its leader Ghulam Nabi in the lawns of the High Court yesterday. About 120 lawyers, most of them linked to the ILM, joined the prayers.

Retired judges, former Deputy Advocate General Ubaidullah Anwar, ML-N lawyers' wing leader F M Sabir, lawyers linked to Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam and staff of the High Court also joined the prayers.

The lawyers shouted slogans like "Death to the US" and "Long Live Osama".

After the prayers, 'fateha was offered for bin Laden, who was killed in a raid by US special forces near the garrison city of Abbottabad on Monday.

ILM leader Ghulam Nabi said bin Laden was a leader of the Muslim world and had started a jihad against US "atrocities" on Muslims across the globe. Criticizing Pakistani security forces, Nabi said even though they were consuming 80 per cent budget of the country, they were unaware of the US operation near the Pakistan Military Academy.

The army and the government are working to promote the US agenda in Pakistan, he claimed. Nabi alleged the government and some politicians had become "US agents" and were happy at the death of bin Laden.

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 06 May 2011 06:10

Anindya wrote:From http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/lawye ... ama-103525
we see yet more evidence that every institution of any significance in Pakistan has been deeply Islamized and supports terrorism in all forms. Here, folks from the Peshawar high court express their support for Osama.

How can anyone pray for a mass murderer??

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 06 May 2011 06:15

US, Pakistan threaten each other with military action

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 172679.cms

WASHINGTON: Barely disguising mutual antagonism, the United States and Pakistan on Thursday threatened each other with military action in the aftermath of the American raid on the Abbottabad compound to kill Osama bin Laden, even as sober elements on both sides scrambled to save the relationship from total breakdown.

The White House led the way in publicly reiterating that it would not hesitate to carry out more such special operations in Pakistan if it did not act against terrorists holed up in the country. A lengthy Pakistani foreign office statement that the US incursion could not become the standard operating procedure or precedent for US or other countries did nothing to dissuade Washington from re-asserting the tough Obama policy: if there are terrorists inside Pakistan and it does not act, then the US will.

DO IT if you have the ba**s !

But the Obama administration's tact is being tested by stunning leaks from Pakistani investigators who took over the Abbottabad compound, including disclosures that that bin Laden was killed in cold blood, as witnessed by his 12-year old daughter, and that the raiding party encountered no resistance at all in terms of firing.

Pakistani officials also reportedly sold photographs of the carnage, showing unarmed men (excepting bin Laden, whose body was taken away by American forces) lying in pools of blood, to western news agencies. They said the three men had all been shot in cold blood by US forces.

Last chance to earn some cash for the jernails hain ji.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 06 May 2011 06:18

Rajdeep wrote:Pakistanis say U.S. shot bin Laden in "cold blood"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110505/wl_ ... _statement

A senior Pakistani security official said U.S. troops killed Osama bin Laden in "cold blood", fuelling a global controversy and straining a vital relationship Washington was trying to repair on Thursday. Some Americans, including many in Congress, have suggested that Washington attach more strings to the billions of dollars in aid it gives Pakistan, or even cut off Islamabad altogether.Cut it off cut it off

That is not entirely accurate. US gave his protectors $20 Billion, armed them with F16s, AAMRAMs and various other weapons, and then went in and gave Osama his 72.

Seems like a fair fight to me.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 May 2011 06:22

Charlie wrote:Musharaff Physically threatened Saleh for OBL comments.
In a meeting with Musharraf and Hamid Karzai the Pakistani president became furious and smashed his fist down on the table.(EDITED By MOD) "He said, 'Am I the president of the Republic of Banana?'" Saleh recalled. "Then he turned to President Karzai and said, 'Why have you have brought this Panjshiri guy to teach me intelligence?'"

That kind of anger was a dead giveaway that he was being told something he did not wish to hear but he knew was the truth and somebody else knew it too. Secondly, Musharraf tried to drive a wedge between a Southerner Durrani and a Northerner Panjshiri by his reference to Amrullah Saleh.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 06 May 2011 06:34

Anujan wrote:
Rajdeep wrote:Pakistanis say U.S. shot bin Laden in "cold blood"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110505/wl_ ... _statement

A senior Pakistani security official said U.S. troops killed Osama bin Laden in "cold blood", fuelling a global controversy and straining a vital relationship Washington was trying to repair on Thursday. Some Americans, including many in Congress, have suggested that Washington attach more strings to the billions of dollars in aid it gives Pakistan, or even cut off Islamabad altogether.Cut it off cut it off

That is not entirely accurate. US gave his protectors $20 Billion, armed them with F16s, AAMRAMs and various other weapons, and then went in and gave Osama his 72.

Seems like a fair fight to me.[/quote]

Now that you put it this way, porkis are famous for taking money from arabs to let them go on hunts in their country too. Not very different here.