Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 May 2011 06:34

RajeshA wrote:
In fact, BRF should start a campaign to highlight the macabre "sacrifice" of the Pakistani Army due to their Global War on Terror. Pakistanis often brag about how many soldiers they have lost in the war on terror, and that no other country has lost so many men in arms as Pakistan. Most of those lost were from the Frontier Corps! That is a paramilitary force which is given step-motherly treatment by the Pakistani Army. In fact, men are recruited to the Frontier Corps as cheap fodder, either to do the bidding of the Pakistani Army; or to wean away fighting men from the tribal Pushtun militias; or to act as cannon fodder for the Taliban militias, just so that Taliban end up using their resources on other Pushtuns and not have any spare for the Pakjabi Army; or to present as figures to the Americans as Pakistani casualties in the War on Terror, even as the Pakjabi Army itself does not lose any Pakjabi soldiers, at least none from the elite class.

Next time some Musharraf or Kiyani or Gilani parrot the line that Pakistanis have lost many soldiers, etc. in the war on terror, somebody should ask them how many of them were low-paid Pushtuns, whose death means nothing to the Pakjabi Jernails!

BRF should in fact turn the tables on Pakistani Army when they make great claims about their "sacrifices". BRF should always repeat that the Pakjabi Army has only offered a handful of soldiers, that too at the hands of those who had a bone to grind against the Pakistani Army for issues internal to Pakistan and had nothing to do with War on Terror. All other deaths were of Pushtuns. In fact, Pakistani Army has been sacrificing only Pushtun lives by design! The Pushtuns have borne the brunt of the War on Terror, while the Pakjabi Jernails have only fattened themselves by several billions.

Good thinking. I like it

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 May 2011 07:01

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... enge-osama

The army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, the chief of Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI), General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, and at least three other top generals fielded questions from parliamentarians late into the evening in a session that was closed to the public.

But some details leaked out – most intriguingly a claim by the country's air chief that Shamsi airbase in Balochistan, used by the CIA to carry out drone attacks, is actually under the jurisdiction of the United Arab Emirates.
PS:
Pakistani source
http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... -Air-Chief

That explains it all

. The Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan thought all the sightings of Predators and Reapers at Shamsi were nothing more than Houbara Bustards bred by the UAE for falconeering

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 May 2011 07:04

Vashishtha wrote:
most intriguingly a claim by the country's air chief that Shamsi airbase in Balochistan, used by the CIA to carry out drone attacks, is actually under the jurisdiction of the United Arab Emirates.
lol wtf?!!!

Vashishtha, actually that jurisdiction first belongs to Allah and then to houbara.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 14 May 2011 08:04

NYT editorial

There should be no illusions. We see no sign that Pakistan is ready to stop playing all sides, or will ever figure out that the fight against extremists isn’t a favor to the United States but essential to its own survival. The equally hard truth is that the United States never would have gotten Bin Laden if it did not have the large military and Central Intelligence Agency presence on the ground that Pakistan has permitted — and American aid has paid for — since 9/11.

Pakistani leaders are nervous about what more may come out. The trove of computer files seized by the Americans may provide some welcome bargaining power. In its fury, this country should also not lose sight of the fact Pakistan has the potential to be a far greater nightmare than Afghanistan under the Taliban. Economic aid is the best long-term hope of changing the country’s political culture. The five-year, $7.5 billion package for schools, energy and other projects hasn’t gotten off the ground. Congress must approve trade legislation, which is the best way to develop an outward-looking middle class.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton should go ahead with her visit to Pakistan. President Obama should delay setting a date for his trip. Pakistan’s leaders have very tough decisions to make. They need to realize that the days of Washington’s unconditional support are over.

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 May 2011 08:06

The plan to build nuclear reactors 3 and 4 at Chashma with assistance from P.R.China by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan despite being in violation of Nuclear Supplier Group guidelines progresses as evidenced by the release of funding.

So what “heavy lifting” and “taking a major risk to accommodate India” is the US supposed to have done for India in concluding the nuclear co-operation agreement?

In the end, as I have said before, the Nuclear Deal was a dismantling of a control regime that the US themselves actively participated in for the purpose (amongst others?) of shackling India. Thus the Nuclear Deal itself is no more than a correction of a past hostile act of penalizing India for acts India was not treaty bound to follow and the US should stow away talk of the need of being rewarded for “heavy lifting”, “taking a major risk to accommodate India” and such like.

Back to the funding of reactors 3 and 4:

In the nuclear energy sector, the entire allocated amount of Rs3.58 billion has been released for units three and four of the Chashma nuclear power plant.

From Dawn:

Funds for dozens of power projects, dams stopped

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 14 May 2011 08:23

Berating General Pasha: Pakistan's Spy Chief Gets a Tongue-Lashing

Lieut. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the ISI chief, conceded that Osama bin Laden's presence in Pakistan had been an "intelligence failure" and that he was prepared to step down and submit himself to any scrutiny, (groper must be salivating ) parliamentarians from both government and opposition parties told TIME on condition of anonymity. Gen. Pasha was speaking at a rare, closed-door briefing to Pakistan's parliament where the lawmakers swore an oath not to reveal details discussed.

According to those present, the general offered his resignation to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, but it was neither accepted nor openly declined. "He did offer to resign, but there was no reaction,"(groper not able to do it for obvious reasons)

Pasha had offered Gen. Kayani his resignation before the corps commanders' meeting at military headquarters on May 5, but the army chief declined to accept it

During the closed-door briefing in parliament, Pasha vented his own frustration at the U.S. "We are at a point in our history," he said, according to two parliamentarians, "where we have to decide whether to stand up to America now or have [following] generations come to deride us." His American counterparts see Gen. Pasha as partial to recalcitrance. One senior western diplomat in Islamabad describes Pakistani spy chief as "intense," especially in comparison to his army chief. Kayani was also at the briefing, but remained characteristically quiet throughout.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 14 May 2011 08:37

Terrorism Trial Poses Test for Strained Pakistan Ties

Prosecutors say Tahawwur Hussain Rana helped his high-school friend, Pakistani-American David Coleman Headley, conduct surveillance ahead of a three-day attack that killed more than 160 people, including six Americans. Mr. Rana also is accused of helping Mr. Headley in a bomb plot against a Danish newspaper.

Mr. Headley, who pleaded guilty in connection with his role in the Mumbai attacks, will testify against his old friend in return for being spared the death penalty. What makes the case potentially explosive is the chance it will provide an inside look at the Pakistani government's posture toward terrorism. The question has taken on greater urgency since U.S. Navy SEALs killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in a home in Pakistan two weeks ago.

Mr. Headley is expected to testify that the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, was directly involved in plotting the Mumbai attacks carried out by the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba terror group in November 2008. Mr. Headley is also expected to testify that Mr. Rana knew of his work on behalf of ISI and allowed Mr. Headley to use Mr. Rana's immigration business as a cover.

Court filings remain sealed, but in an April ruling, U.S. District Judge Harry Leinenweber quoted from a defense motion that Mr. Rana had acted "at the behest of the Pakistani government and the ISI, not the Lashkar terrorist organization."

Prosecutors have charged six other men besides Mr. Rana. In court filings, defense lawyers identified several as Pakistani intelligence officers. All are fugitives. Mr. Rana, 50 years old, will be the only defendant in court.

U.S. prosecutors refer to the co-defendants only as being leaders of Lashkar-e-Taiba. Co-defendant Ilyas Kashmiri is a former Pakistani commando who U.S. officials say leads a terror group believed to be allied with al Qaeda. Another defendant is identified by the U.S. as a retired former major in the Pakistani military.

A spokesman for the Pakistan embassy in Washington said the allegations of Pakistani involvement in the plots were being "made up for the sake of defense.…There is no involvement, or complicity, by any state institution, or any Pakistani security official."

Mr. Rana, who wears glasses and a graying beard, said he was duped into helping an old friend, whom he thought was working with ISI.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 14 May 2011 09:57

From Jaswant Singh

Here, India bears a grave responsibility: it must assuage Pakistan’s valid security concerns convincingly. After all, there is no solution in retributory, panic-ridden responses by Pakistan, or in chest-thumping schadenfreude elsewhere. Now is the moment for South Asia to revert to its “natural balance,” gain breathing space, and recover its shattered peace.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 May 2011 09:59

Airavat wrote:NYT editorial

The Obama administration also needs to take a harder look at military aid to Pakistan to determine what is vital for counterterrorism and what might be tied to specific benchmarks, like apprehending the Taliban chief, Mullah Muhammad Omar, and members of the Haqqani network .

They give an opening to TSP. No marks for guessing what it is.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 May 2011 10:12

abhishek_sharma wrote:From Jaswant Singh

Here, India bears a grave responsibility: it must assuage Pakistan’s valid security concerns convincingly. After all, there is no solution in retributory, panic-ridden responses by Pakistan, or in chest-thumping schadenfreude elsewhere. Now is the moment for South Asia to revert to its “natural balance,” gain breathing space, and recover its shattered peace.

Apart from this, Jasso bhai shows a trifle naivety regarding US-TSP relations post OBL

But it would be unwise at this critical moment for the US to shortchange Pakistan. Some of the old relationship must be restored if Pakistan – until lately a pillar of US and NATO policy, but now with diminished relevance – is to have the confidence it needs to save itself.

He need not worry, matter of fact he might regret showing so much profuse sympathy for TSP. US is not about to abandon TSP as a strategic asset to contain brilliant but naive SDREs like him. And that is TSP's ultimate nirvana and self confidence v1agra.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 May 2011 10:20

Published on May 10, 2011
By Fu Xiaoqiang
Pakistan's sacrifices in war on terror deserve respect: Global Times

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http://opinion.globaltimes.cn/commentary/2011-05/653629.html

During the decade-long anti-terrorism campaign, Pakistan has killed and arrested more than 400 Al Qaeda affiliates, including Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, suspected of being the mastermind behind the September 11 attacks, and has lost more than 3,000 police to terrorists.

The Chinese are pleading with USA to not give up on the whore. They want the Americans to pick the tab of the Paki whore, while the Chinese get to use the whore for free! If Americans stop financing Pakistan, the Chinese would have to finance the hellhole, and then they get into a real blackmail game with Pakistan who of course thinks in terms of entitlement over other people's money!

Anyway, the Al Qaeda the Pakistanis gave up to America were those Arabs for whom the Saudis had no love lost, they being a threat to the Royal House. The 3000 police the author talks about is again the rounded figures the Pakistanis throw around for PR sake. Also the "police" were all Pushtuns and hence it is no skin off Pakjabi Army's nose!

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 14 May 2011 10:27

abhishek_sharma wrote:From Jaswant Singh

Here, India bears a grave responsibility: it must assuage Pakistan’s valid security concerns convincingly. After all, there is no solution in retributory, panic-ridden responses by Pakistan, or in chest-thumping schadenfreude elsewhere. Now is the moment for South Asia to revert to its “natural balance,” gain breathing space, and recover its shattered peace.

Also this:

For the US, whose military drawdown in Afghanistan is set to begin in July, a game-changing moment has been further complicated by Pakistan’s self-relegation from strategic ally to untrustworthy obstacle. But it would be unwise at this critical moment for the US to shortchange Pakistan. Some of the old relationship must be restored if Pakistan – until lately a pillar of US and NATO policy, but now with diminished relevance – is to have the confidence it needs to save itself.

Seems to be written keeping the 'western audience' in mind.

Per Jaswant Singh, we should be preaching to the Pakis how terrorism is bad for them and therefore they should renounce the path of terrorism.
Beta aise nahin karte. Strategic depth ka tyaag kar do. Aatankvadiyon ka sahara nahin lete.
How about offering to start Bhagvad Geeta classes for Kayani and Pasha.
After almost 30 years of Pakis injecting insurgencies into India and openly using terrorism to hit India, am sure he must be aware of the Paki mindset. Why not put forward realistic options?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 May 2011 10:28

abhishek_sharma wrote:From Jaswant Singh

Here, India bears a grave responsibility: it must assuage Pakistan’s valid security concerns convincingly.

Yes India has a grave, responsibility and valid security concerns when it comes to Pakistan. But India fails to fulfil its responsibility and expects the dead body of TSP to fall into the grave all by itself.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 May 2011 10:39

From Pakistan's POV, all terrorists who had been positively IDed by foreign / US government to be involved in terrorist activities, were expendables.

As long as OBL was alive and able to rally new recruits, the lowly pawns could be handed over to the US for some personal baksheesh by the Pindi generals. One clarion call from OBL would have resulted in a sea of fresh recruits with new ideas into the thick of action.

As it is, the ISI was in the business of ensuring that the US and other powers remained engaged in Af-Pak, that Pakistan's indispensibility was maintained for all powers. The Pakistan Army was intended to be the indispensible ally who would provide the service of regulating the terror tap in return for money. Mind you, that the key word was 'regulating' not 'elimination' of the terror networks.

To this end, the Pakistan Army holds out the argument that they are the only sane and upright group amongst a sea of radicalized abduls, and that they would have to keep working on regulating that tap.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 May 2011 11:07

The narrative that the Jihadi bosses had carefully built up over the years was that the US, (and India) were militarily strong, but their soldiers were weaklings and that 1 Jihadi=10 kafir soldiers.
All it would take would be 1 jihadi storming the kafirs and their military strength will come crashing down, there will be widescale chaos etc.

That narrative has come crashing down with the Abbottabad raid. Not only has the US entered Pakistan, but they went into Kakul and to the PMA and killed OBL, and the Pak Military could do zilch.

That is a terrible Echendee loss for the Jihadis, and is bound to affect their recruitment drive - that is unless they can demonstrate that they are notching up some successes against the kafirs.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 May 2011 11:35

Gagan wrote: That narrative has come crashing down with the Abbottabad raid. Not only has the US entered Pakistan, but they went into Kakul and to the PMA and killed OBL, and the Pak Military could do zilch.

Brilliantly said. I mean this raid has punctured such a hole into so many TSP myths without direct confrontation that US truly desrves credit for being innovative and creative and brave. From Windows to Internet to iPhone to you name it to Abbottabad, manufacturing something big is US's hallmark!!! I only wish they gloated a little less and were more pro-India though

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A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 May 2011 12:51

shiv wrote: I expect to see a Pakistani response to this loss of morale in the next 3-6 months. This is so easy to predict that if I am the only person to anticipate this then you all must credit me to be the most intelligent Indian around. Clearly the Indian armed forces will anticipate this. They really may be able to do nothing against India or the US. It won't be easy for Pakis but unless they do some (faux?) action to improve morale - the chances of rebellion are high. Tough sh1t. They may have to opt to phuck each other. I hope that happens. Iman Fukwa and jihad ul fisababulla. Or whatever.

They will try to engineer a massive religious riot in India.

negi · Post by **negi** » 14 May 2011 12:57

Jaswant had gone senile a long time back; he should have retired from politics back in NDA days itself when no one could comprehend his speech.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 May 2011 13:01

The realilty of Sialkot:
(maika of sania mirza)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WRkSxjaEWI

This is the town which used to be the center of their leather industry, football export, and surgical instruments.

ensoi.

Similar stories ringing across all town and cities of Pakistan. But why are the people so agitated, they are a wahid ismali nuclear power kyon ji?

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 14 May 2011 13:01

They will try to engineer a massive religious riot in India.

I m not sure if that will do.....
1)They engineer a mass riot in india and then do equal equal about extremism on both sides... That saves abduls HnD more than TSPA's.. "See india has hindu terrorism...AOA".....
2)They do another 26/11 and as we bow again under pissful pressure, the TSPA claims victory in Preventing another indian attack....That saves both abduls HnD and TSPA's.....

What TSPA needs now is to restore its "macho-ness" in the eyes of the mango paki..... option 2, is hence most desirable.....

Just a piece of my mind.....

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 May 2011 13:08

Some military adventure in Siachen/POK area in collaboration with tarrell than mountain friends will fit the bill perfectly.

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 14 May 2011 13:16

Some military adventure in Siachen/POK area in collaboration with tarrell than mountain friends will fit the bill perfectly.

I DONT want to get into another war hysteria or something..... Any explanation as to why the change in formation of IA in border areas in 'response' to a change in the paki formations?? A times now video was posted about tht a few moons ago....cant seem to find it.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 May 2011 13:21

I say nothing will happen right now.
They have too many problems to deal with now:
1. Telli bunnies doing IED mubarak after IED mubarak
2. People roiting and abusing the Army and the Agencies as after Bangladesh 1971
3. Amreeka making them sweat even after all that GUBO for their infidelity.

On top of this, all the world is looking at them with a microscope.
They will suck it up for the time being.

The winds that are blowing are a bit merciless there. They will love to make India enemy number 1 again, but the Supineness and spinelessness as a strategy that MMS has followed, and the pillow talk he has done, means that the abduls will suspect that the army is trying to deflect the issue if they do a terrorist attack.

It is a bit complicated, but the abduls are baying for the Army and the ISI's blood right now. They want a public sacrifice. Everyone there is feeling the heat, the siyasatdaan, the faujis and the agencies are all having fingers pointed at them.

Someone was suggesting a circa 2014 timeframe when things will come to a decisive turn in la la land.

sum · Post by **sum** » 14 May 2011 13:51

most intriguingly a claim by the country's air chief that Shamsi airbase in Balochistan, used by the CIA to carry out drone attacks, is actually under the jurisdiction of the United Arab Emirates.

Even a whore will blush if the name Pakistan is mentioned...

Does PAF take permission from UAE ATC while overflying Shamsi?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 May 2011 14:19

Gagan wrote:The realilty of Sialkot:
(maika of sania mirza)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WRkSxjaEWI

This is the town which used to be the center of their leather industry, football export, and surgical instruments.

ensoi.

Similar stories ringing across all town and cities of Pakistan. But why are the people so agitated, they are a wahid ismali nuclear power kyon ji?

Gagan ji,
you mean Sania Mirza's Sasural!

At 1:40 he says that his friend came calling and due to poverty he did not know how to marry off his daughters. Can no BRFite rise to the occasion and make Pakistan his Sasural!

Less women for Pakis to use as factories.

The Pakistanis should wait another few years. India which has a skewed gender ratio would be more than happy to ~~buy up~~, I mean marry all the women Pakistan has to offer! Every saala would get pocket money for the whorehouse, I mean the goat zoo!

That would be the biggest change in Indo-Pak relations when India becomes rich again, and Pakistan keeps on digging its grave! There will be even more love across the boundary!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 May 2011 14:56

A_Gupta wrote:
shiv wrote: I expect to see a Pakistani response to this loss of morale in the next 3-6 months. This is so easy to predict that if I am the only person to anticipate this then you all must credit me to be the most intelligent Indian around. Clearly the Indian armed forces will anticipate this. They really may be able to do nothing against India or the US. It won't be easy for Pakis but unless they do some (faux?) action to improve morale - the chances of rebellion are high. Tough sh1t. They may have to opt to phuck each other. I hope that happens. Iman Fukwa and jihad ul fisababulla. Or whatever.
They will try to engineer a massive religious riot in India.

Arun that won't help Paki army morale.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 14 May 2011 15:18

There will be a two pronged response by the TSPA
1- They will make life hell for Mr. 10% and come in themselves or put in their puppet ( Mr. Goldsmith)
2- Then they will attack India covertly using LET etc or the so called "Rogue" elements.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 14 May 2011 16:21

most intriguingly a claim by the country's air chief that Shamsi airbase in Balochistan, used by the CIA to carry out drone attacks, is actually under the jurisdiction of the United Arab Emirates.

Gawd. How many masters do these Pakistani slaves have? And what is the order of precedence? Do they lick the boots of the Yankees first? Or the Arabs?

Is the mythical Pakistani honor and dignity assuaged by the knowledge that their citizens are subject to extrajudicial execution by drones flown from an Arab controlled, rather than American airbase within their own territory?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 May 2011 16:53

Gagan wrote:The realilty of Sialkot:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WRkSxjaEWI

In pa'astan, everyone's a closet preacher.

vanand · Post by **vanand** » 14 May 2011 17:12

They are lairs & cheaters
They lied world on WOT
They cheated US on osama
They are now cheating their own people using parliament session and UAE jurisdiction.
Rapes & Army will do any thing for their sake..

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... enge-osama

The army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, the chief of Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI), General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, and at least three other top generals fielded questions from parliamentarians late into the evening in a session that was closed to the public.

But some details leaked out – most intriguingly a claim by the country's air chief that Shamsi airbase in Balochistan, used by the CIA to carry out drone attacks, is actually under the jurisdiction of the United Arab Emirates.
PS:
Pakistani source
http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... -Air-Chief

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 May 2011 18:24

given the amount of covering fire emerging from china for pakistan over OBL, and knowing the lalmasjid operation hukum from beijing, beginning to wonder if tspa was holding obl on behalf of the dragon as much as for its own needs... ?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 May 2011 18:45

Yaa, can't imagine what khujli cheena biladhel is having.

vanand · Post by **vanand** » 14 May 2011 18:52

Lalmohan wrote:given the amount of covering fire emerging from china for pakistan over OBL, and knowing the lalmasjid operation hukum from beijing, beginning to wonder if tspa was holding obl on behalf of the dragon as much as for its own needs... ?

It might be.. china may be trying to tie US in Pak by following the same as how US tied USSR in Afghan. The regional dimension making china to back Pakistan !!!

Jaspreet · Post by **Jaspreet** » 14 May 2011 18:55

W.r.t. deaths becoming a daily feature in Pakistan - they wanted to wage a war of thousand cuts with India. They did get a war of thousand cuts, but upon themselves.
Bura na dekho bhai - Jasoo should tell them that.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 14 May 2011 19:05

vanand wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:given the amount of covering fire emerging from china for pakistan over OBL, and knowing the lalmasjid operation hukum from beijing, beginning to wonder if tspa was holding obl on behalf of the dragon as much as for its own needs... ?
It might be.. china may be trying to tie US in Pak by following the same as how US tied USSR in Afghan. The regional dimension making china to back Pakistan !!!

China is making sure that they own USA by proxy with the help of buying USA debt and at the same time making sure that poaks make them bleed in afghanistan. Chinese are masters at back ended strategy and we must not forget that India is in their cross hairs.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 May 2011 19:09

Vashishtha wrote:
They will try to engineer a massive religious riot in India.
I m not sure if that will do.....
1)They engineer a mass riot in india and then do equal equal about extremism on both sides... That saves abduls HnD more than TSPA's.. "See india has hindu terrorism...AOA".....
2)They do another 26/11 and as we bow again under pissful pressure, the TSPA claims victory in Preventing another indian attack....That saves both abduls HnD and TSPA's.....

What TSPA needs now is to restore its "macho-ness" in the eyes of the mango paki..... option 2, is hence most desirable.....

Just a piece of my mind.....

The terrorist card has been played too often, any attack in India will point straight back to Pakistan. A religious riot however, preferably one in which a few Pakistani nationals also get slaughtered, will bolster their "raisin deter", that that would have been their fate without Pakistan; and that unless they unite against the evil bania/bahmin combine, that might be their fate yet; that getting slaughtered by fellow Muslims and by the USA is far preferable to getting killed by SDREs; and so on. Lastly, they will try to impress on the world that however beastly Pakistan is, India is worse (which in their minds is always a victory).

I think it is the best means available to them at the moment. Yes, a 26/11 is surer, but the world is now primed to blame them the minute the first shot rings out.

PS: Further, a riot will enable the next terrorist attack on India to be blamed on "revenge by factions in India radicalized by the riot".

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 14 May 2011 19:35

I think it is the best means available to them at the moment. Yes, a 26/11 is surer, but the world is now primed to blame them the minute the first shot rings out.

Thats EXCACTLY what the tspa wants, remember the chest thumping after 26/11 on how the tspa 'deterred' an indian response.. tsp knows that under the current regime in india, they can get away with whatever they want..

PS: Further, a riot will enable the next terrorist attack on India to be blamed on "revenge by factions in India radicalized by the riot

I still dont see how that restores HnD for the army.... yes it will allow the abdul to do an == but the army cant go any further than deflecting a few terrorist allegations by pointing the finger at us......

Right now, == restores echandee to only a certain extent, especially in tspa's case.... they NEED TO SHOW SOME SORT OF BRAVADO and hence the best option still remains 2.

There was this NDTV debate about india's own geronimo and stupidly, ndtv called Hamid gul and some puki foreign secy as well on the show..... One of hamid gul's replies was:
on 21's dec 2008, the IAF DID try to do a surgical strike but WE failed it and india shouldn't be thinking of getting back on us since our western borders are more secure than the eastern ones......try to find that episode on ndtv's website.

my argument in short: tspa needs to keep the abdul happy at the moment through ITS OWN macho-ness, not through an ==.

my articulation may not be effective, but i hope you get the point...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 May 2011 19:39

Lal Masjid was a crucial event that turned Paki terrorism on themselves. This one had religious (hardline jihadis on others) and regional(Pakiban vs Pakjabi) factors.Mushy should be credited with being the second Yahya Khan!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 May 2011 19:46

== is the best available to Pakistan right now, that is what they will take. The cost/benefit ratio of a terrorist attack is, IMO, currently deeply unfavorable to them.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 14 May 2011 19:55

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/world ... an.html?hp
Denying Links to Militants, Pakistan’s Spy Chief Denounces U.S. Before Parliament
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — In an unusual, and apparently heated, closed-door session of Parliament, Pakistan’s spy chief issued a rousing denunciation of the United States on Friday for its raid that killed Osama bin Laden and denied that Pakistan maintained any links with militant groups, according to lawmakers.
Gautam
Apologize if already posted. Difficult to keep up with the Pakis now a days.