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Acharya wrote: What he is saying is that it is majority will of the people of Pakistan to have terrorist attack India.
What about the majority will of the democratic state of India.
What Anato Lieven is saying is what we know in BRF for a long time. As long as Pakistani terrorists aim at India, it is OK, Unkel has no qualms. And as long as their security agencies make an honest effort to catch perpetrators aiming at the West, Unkel is not worried. Indian blood is cheap and is of no consequence to the West . The problem starts when they start attacking the West. That will not be tolerated. Mumbai attacks were reprehensible only to the extent European and American lives were lost.
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Anatol Lieven is a fellow at the New America Foundation. thewashingtonnote.com is the blog of Steve Clemons, Senior Fellow & Director, American Strategy Program, New America Foundation. Lieven will certainly sooner or later feature there. :twisted:
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Lieven has been going to Pakistan and Afghanistan since 1988.
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A_Gupta wrote:Lieven's book has the dedication:
"In memory of my grandparents, George Henry Monahan, Indian Civil Service, Helen Monahan (nee Kennedy), and their son, Captain Hugh Monahan, MC, 5th Royal Gurkha Rifles (Frontier Force)...."
Looks like pucca old East India family. Must hate the uppity brown natives that have taken over the good jobs. Perhaps given a lot of Izzat and salami during visits to Pakistan?
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Acharya wrote: What he is saying is that it is majority will of the people of Pakistan to have terrorist attack India.
What about the majority will of the democratic state of India.
The democratic will of the state of India is to kill all Islamic extremists and any random 20 people standing anywhere near the said Islamist extremist.
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Arun Is this your blog
Lieven: The nature of law in Pakistan
Lieven writes that in western societies, the purpose of the law since Roman times has been based on the principle that crimes should be punished, and the purpose of the legal system is, in principle, to eliminate crime. However, in Pakistan and in "many other heavily armed kinship-based societies" the purpose of the law is the defence of collective honor and prestige, the maintenance of order and peace. Therefore, the laws resemble traditional international law in that they are based in equal parts on diplomacy and rules, they "aim at compromise not punishment', and the threat of violence always looms in the background. This arises because the idea of honour (izzat and ghairat) are fundamental to Pakistani society.
This is good
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Saudi Barbarian diplomat's car shot at in Karachi. Driver (saudi national) got his 72. No news about the diplomat yet.
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Anujan wrote:Saudi Barbarian diplomat's car shot at in Karachi. Driver (saudi national) got his 72. No news about the diplomat yet.
Kidnapped, perhaps. Then ransomized, I'm guessing. Anyone remember the fate of the Iranian diplomat the Talibs abducted?
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Is this for real?

'US to deploy troops if Pak nukes come under threat'

http://thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=15596
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A plan to destroy Pakistan is well underway by US.

Bad news for Pakistanis and an end of game being played. If it is taken by outsider a provn greedy friend, then every single Pakistani should count his or her days.



If America tries to punish rather than support Pakistan in this difficult hour, the Pakistani military, in a dangerous test of wills, might pursue a course of action based on emotion and hyped-up nationalism that will only weaken the joint effort to fight terrorism.
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Reuters
FLASH: Victim in attack on Saudi Arabian consulate car in Karachi was a Saudi diplomat - Ambassador
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ranjbe wrote:Anatol Lieven began his career as a correspondent in Central Europe, where his roots lie (possibly his parents immigrated to England from Poland - the Web is silent on this - shades of Miilibrain, former Foreign Secretary, and another anti-Indian loud mouth). He then became a "Russia/Central Europe' expert, which was an overcrowded field, and in lesser demand after the fall of the Soviet Union. He has now become a South Asian expert, particularly Pakistan. It has always baffled me how a man becomes an expert after writing a Ph.D thesis, and travelling in the Pakistan/Afghanistan area for a few months. Only a white man or woman (Christina Lamb for example) can have such pretensions, the brightest of SDRE's cannot.
Another expert with pro-Pakistani anti-Indian views is Polish-American Brezenski.
Former UK Foreign Secretary, the Labour MP David Miliband has also Polish roots, albeit Jewish-Polish.
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^^^And Zbig has more than polish roots, he has polish shoots as well. Poland is proving to be a bugbear around aamchi India's neck for some reason.
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The theory is that it's better to have the Pakistanis in the tent with you, urinating out, rather than have them outside the tent, urinating out. But Pakistan is inside the tent and urinating on the United States. For this privilege, America has made Pakistan its Best Friend Forever. America is spending $10-billion/month and suffering casualties every month because of Pakistan.
sitting inside the tent and peeing inside...Good analogy in OrBAT.... :rotfl:

Some more good stuff:
And a third Award must go to the Government of India. India is a victim of Pakistani terrorism. Pakistani terrorists have killed more Indian servicemen and civilians than have killed Americans. The US Government 100% supports the Pakistanis. Yet the Government of India has convinced itself that America is India's special friend.
#Indians are very quick to point fingers and say that the Pakistani elite has sold out its people. But hasn't the Indian elite done exactly the same and sold out the Indian people?
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So you have a curious parallelism. Pakistan is at war with the US, and Americans convince themselves Pakistan is an ally. India is at war against Pakistani terrorism which is directly enabled by the US Government, and we Indians have convinced ourselves the US is not just our friend, but our special friend.
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The result is a macabre dance of three sets of lunatics, Pakistani, American, and Indians.
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Shouldn't we, the people of these three countries, be locking our masters in an insane asylum, where they are free to mutilate and torture each other, while the rest of us simply get on with our lives?
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Hari Seldon wrote:^^^And Zbig has more than polish roots, he has polish shoots as well. Poland is proving to be a bugbear around aamchi India's neck for some reason.
Poland was divided after WWI by Lord Curzon and large massacre occurred in the region. The same was tried in India in 1947.
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ISI Major hacked army officer's mail
A serving Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) officer Major Sameer Ali hacked an Indian Army major's e-mail account in 2010 and extracted many sensitive documents, intelligence sources said. Ali has been named by India in the list of 50 'most wanted' terrorists sheltered by Pakistan for involvement in the Mumbai attacks conspiracy,

The news of the hacking was given to Indian probe agencies by the FBI, which was then interrogating Mumbai attack accused David Coleman Headley. The US agency told the CBI Ali had been accessing an Indian Army officer's rediffmail account from the ISI headquarters.

The hacked account was traced to Major Shantanu De of 21 Bihar Regiment, who was at that time posted in the Andamans. De's computer was seized and scrutinised jointly by the Intelligence Bureau, National Investigation Agency and the Military Intelligence.

What was baffling was that his computer and e-mail had more than 4,000 sensitive documents - some of them marked 'secret' and 'top secret'-which he was not supposed to be in possession of, leading to suspicions of espionage on part of Major De.

While the joint investigation cleared De, it came to light how an innocuous posting of his own photograph in uniform in the social networking site Orkut with his various details made him the ISI's target.

He had collected the documents out of interest and also to prepare for his departmental exams that were slated for September 2010.

De has since been demoted after being held guilty of violating the Army's Standard Operating Procedures on cyber security.
So, this Sameer Ali was being tracked by US after 26/11 and that's why his activities were tipped off to India?

I remember the news article at the time when this story broke mentioning that US had tipped off IA/RAW about lots of IA documents floating with ISI..
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This Sameer Ali guy has been a good spy involved in 26/11, this hacking and god knows what all.
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CIA in collaboration with RAW destabilising Pakistan
ISI is target; DG ISI vindicates confidence in people’s power; Demand for presenting defence budget in Parliament dangerously placed

Islamabad—In a great game going on in the region, CIA in collaboration with RAW is destabilising Pakistan to ultimately achieve its objectives of having a strong foothold in Afghanistan, containing China, and controlling Iran and oil reserves in the Middle East.In an exclusive interview with Pakistan Observer, Brig (Retd) Imtiaz Ahmed, who has to his credit seventeen years of long experience in intelligence service of the country including his appointment as the top man in the Intelligence Bureau (IB) while giving his views on post-Osama period said Pakistan is passing through a difficult time when CIA has unleashed its onslaught against ISI to malign it in the eyes of the people of Pakistan and the world.Imtiaz said war on terrorism, in fact was war on Osama by CIA in collaboration with Raw. The situation is clearing up now as Osama has been eliminated, who was in fact non-functional. Ayman al-Zawahiri and other top-ranking leaders were in the driving seat carrying out their missions.


The whole national scene has to be seen in the strategic plan conceived by the US in collaboration with India to establish its writ in South Asia. Their objectives are confinement of China, influence on Iran, strong foothold in Afghanistan and controlling oil reserves of Arab world. To execute this plan, the US has chosen India to be pushed as a military giant in the region and act as watchdog. The immediate visit of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Kabul carried its own connotations. It is also reflected from malicious and baseless propaganda on Indian media against Pakistan about Abbottabad episode.Pakistan, he said, by virtue of its God-gifted geographical location and being nuclear state is being pushed by Americans in a pliable status. Since ISI is a hurdle in their way, consequently, CIA has made of late, Pakistan armed forces and ISI the target of their well- orchestrated and baseless sinister campaign of allegations, he said.
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=92580
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Saudi diplomat shot dead in Karachi

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/23 ... in-karachi
A Saudi diplomat was shot dead in a drive-by shooting near the consulate in Karachi on Monday, the second attack on Saudi interests in Pakistan's biggest city in less than a week, officials said.
I ask, why so much gussa against ummah biraders?
Is it because they are napoonsaks as far as the Big Khan is concerned? Keep it up pakis....a couple more attacks and There might be a possibility of 3.5 friends being reduced to 2.5 :twisted:
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AQ Khan writes about the famous Pakistani King Tipu Sultan. Somehow the places all have BENIS dhaaga level spelling. :mrgreen:
http://thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail ... =5/16/2011
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anishns wrote:Saudi diplomat shot dead in Karachi

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/23 ... in-karachi
A Saudi diplomat was shot dead in a drive-by shooting near the consulate in Karachi on Monday, the second attack on Saudi interests in Pakistan's biggest city in less than a week, officials said.
Would have understood if a Paki was bumped off in KSA due to KSA anger at Pak for hiding their enemy, Bin Laden... why would a Saudi be bumped off in TSP?
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^^^
Probably Shias giving Saudis some 72 for sending troops into Bahrain.
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What I can not understand is how hacking the rediffmail account allowed the ISI guy to get sensitive documents?

Was the IA officer storing these sensitive documents on his rediffmail email account?

From whatever I have heard GOI seems to be very indifferent to cyber-security issues; there was these reports of Chinese hackers compromising various ministries also.
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Guys, remember my post about Pakistan's radar network in northern pakistan?

The radars they have deployed are mostly American AN/FPS-117s (they bought 6 of these - mobile versions AN/TPS-77s) and these are deployed at
1. PAFB Rafiqui, Shorkot
2. PAFB Mssoor, Karachi
3. PAFB Korangi, Karachi
4. PAFB Mushaf, Sargodha
5. Gardezi, Multan
6. Possibly one building outside Quetta

If I were pakistani, I would consider these 'compromised'. Better to beef these with a few of the Chinese radars they have bought recently.
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Related to any Paki mischief being spotted?
12:01 PM Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met the three Service chiefs in New Delhi to review India's security preparedness following the hunting down of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in Pakistan by US forces.

National Security Advisor SS Menon was present during the meeting
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WRT Cyber Security,
The last I had heard, they were still using gmail accounts even in the PMO :roll: :wink:
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So in effect, Pasha has conveyed a terrorist attack threat to India.

I understand that at least 1 IBG is deployed right at the border, conducting 'exercises', the second one is heading there right after this one.
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^^ apparently Pasha is also indicating that 26/11 is ISI handiwork. Pasha is a lead terrorist along with KiyaNahi . ISI is nothing but Terrorist organisation and major beneficiary was US and India in the form of 911 and 2611. All major players for 911 and 2611 emanated from Pakistan. It is high time that India should declare Pakistan a terrorist State and maintain a state of alert on the border.

I have no doubt that ISI, its chief Pasha and Pakistan Army chief Kiyani had sheltered OSAMA in Abbottabad and don't even need proof which are littered as garbage in broad day light. if Unkil happens to be blind by choice, its their wish.
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jrjrao wrote:And compare this brave Afghan with this joker of a "military analyst and a retired lieutenant general in the Pakistani Army", who has taken to writing some comedy for the op-ed page of tomorrow's NY Times:

This really is ridiculously funny, where routine Paki circular logic is mixed up with outright lies and blackmail.

Patience, Not Punishment, for Pakistan
By Talat Masood
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/opini ... .html?_r=1
The volatile situation in Pakistan is matched by the understandable outrage of Americans that the world’s most notorious terrorist lived unmolested for five years in a city teeming with Pakistani military officers.
He knows what the pakjabi army guys really like :rotfl:
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Curious incident of Abbottabad in the night-time lays Pakistan bare

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/analysis_ ... re_1543692
Pakistan fighting terror was a bit like a bunch of ladies of tradable virtue endorsing the need for chastity. Many in India hadn’t forgotten that Khalistani or Kashmiri militants were not just trained and funded in Pakistan but also given safe haven there. Most, especially Mumbaikars, hadn’t forgotten the blasts in 1993 — its perpetrators had found sanctuary in Pakistan. They remembered the hijacking of flight 814 to Kandhar by Pakistani hijackers, who then disappeared into the welcoming embrace of the Pakistani state. As in earlier cases, we were told by the international community in general, and the United States in particular, talk with Pakistan. Resolve your issues bilaterally. Force will not make a difference. And we did. We did after every terrorist incident including 26/11. After every dead soldier who was sent home mutilated. After every promise was broken and every issue became a victim of double talk. We talked.
And, we are still talking
And then, the Americans realised what India has been saying for ever. Terror originates in Pakistan. It is a state policy. And, while the rest of the world exports cars and information technology, Pakistan finds it profitable in exporting terror. After all, this terror earns them money to fight the ‘war on terror’. To kill terror would be to

kill their most profitable industry — an industry that has ruined the lives of the citizens of Pakistan, but made its key stakeholders rich and powerful.
And finally, if the US still thinks that the Pakistani State is still a key ally in the war against terror, I would suggest that they read the story of the Scorpion and the frog from the Panchatantra. A scorpion asks a frog to help him cross a river. The frog gets the scorpion to promise that it won’t sting him. The scorpion agrees.

Half way across the river, the scorpion stings the frog. As both begin sinking, the frog asks, “Why? You will die too.” The scorpion says, “It is in my nature.”
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Our Pakistan Problem Manages to Get Worse
The fallout from Pakistan's failure to capture Osama bin Laden 45 miles from the capital seemed like rock bottom. But a terrorism trial that begins Monday will include allegations that the ISI runs terrorist camps and helped plan the Mumbai attacks, while bin Laden’s archives could reveal Pakistan complicity. John Barry on the issues Washington confronts as tensions with Pakistan heighten.
“Pakistan,” a very senior U.S. military officer recently mused, “is the problem from hell. Always has been. Always will be.” And he said that before the U.S. dispatched Navy SEALs deep into Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden. In the wake of the raid, tensions between the U.S. and Pakistan have spiraled—and are about to heighten further.

President Obama met with the Pakistani president, Asif Ali Zardari, in the Oval Office in January. (J. Scott Applewhite / AP Photo)
The discovery that bin Laden’s long-time refuge, from which he appears to have been able to play a continuing role in al Qaeda, was only a short walk from Pakistan’s West Point is reason enough for a crisis in U.S./Pakistan relations. But Chicago’s federal courthouse sees on Monday the start of a terrorism trial at which the main witness, a U.S. citizen named David Headley, is expected to describe multiple training spells in terrorist camps run by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, and to detail the involvement of ISI officers in the planning of the terrorist assault on Mumbai in November 2008, in which some 170 people died, among them six Americans. Pakistan has already denied everything Headley will say. But what was already a U.S./Pakistan crisis will become a U.S./Pakistan/India crisis.
It comes as no surprise, then, that, as the Washington Post reports, senior administration officials are locked in a debate about the future of U.S. relations with Pakistan. Here, from two sources knowledgeable about the debate, are some of the issues President Obama and his senior advisers are grappling with:

• Does the U.S. need to do anything? Or anything rapidly?
U.S. officials have long assumed that Pakistan’s leaders—or at least its military and intelligence service—were playing a double game: With one hand, assisting U.S. efforts to kill or capture some terrorists, and targeting Predator strikes against some of the insurgent groups based inside Pakistan. And with another hand, protecting Afghan groups and continuing to plot against India. (Defense Secretary Robert Gates—his no-illusions views of what states will do educated by years at the CIA—has publicly lain this out, adding that it was to be expected, given Pakistan’s view of its strategic situation.)

The discovery of bin Laden’s hideout perhaps alters U.S. judgments about where Pakistan has been striking this balance between cooperation and hostility. But, arguably, it changes nothing fundamental in U.S. perceptions of the uneasy relationship.

A chief of French intelligence back in the Cold War once famously remarked that, in running all double agents, the operative question was: “Are you getting the fat or the lean?”—the good stuff or chicken feed. Since 9/11 the U.S. judgment has been that, on the whole, it’s been getting the “lean” from Pakistan. Pakistan allows passage of the endless convoys ferrying critical U.S. war supplies from Karachi up into Afghanistan. Covert Pakistan cooperation—including a forward base for Predators—has been essential in killing hundreds of insurgents, and in capturing some of bin Laden’s key aides. (Pakistan is correct to say that information from at least two of these provided early leads to bin Laden’s whereabouts.) It is also true that Pakistan’s military has taken vastly more casualties in its own assaults on the tribal areas than coalition forces have suffered in Afghanistan. So, as that very senior U.S. officer summed up the U.S./Pakistan relationship: “We’re trapped in a classic bad marriage. Can’t live with them. Can’t live without them.”

• Will Pakistan continue its cooperation with the U.S.?
A mid-level administration official observed last week: “Pakistan has the initiative. What happens now is up to them.” In tense debates before Obama authorized the SEALs raid, his officials tried to foresee what the reactions would be in Pakistan. Popular outrage was taken for granted. The real question was: how would Pakistan’s political and military/intelligence elite react? Sources say that a majority view among Obama’s advisers was that, after a few weeks of uproar, Pakistan’s power group would revert to its established course: public protests as necessary, but continuing covert cooperation. Most of Obama’s advisers reportedly thought a total breakdown of U.S./Pakistan relations was unlikely.

So far, this judgment seems to have been borne out. Friday’s session of Pakistan’s parliament generated the expected denunciations of the raid and U.S. policies in general—but also, significantly, a call for a parliamentary inquiry into the failures of the military and ISI to prevent the SEALs raid. That demand will almost certainly go nowhere; but optimists in the Obama administration view it as a first step in what they hope is a nascent effort to bring the Pakistan Army and ISI under some semblance of civilian oversight. That slim hope seems misplaced: At the end of the parliamentary debate, the house closed ranks behind the powerful military.

Meanwhile, the U.S. has been given access to bin Laden’s wives—though only under the watch of Pakistani minders. Sources say the wives had evidently been coached to say nothing, so the sessions yielded little. Still, providing access is seen as a conciliatory gesture. Quiet discussions also are under way about returning the wreckage of the SEAL helicopter that crashed during the raid. It’s assumed that Pakistani engineers have been combing through the debris; but so far foreign experts—the U.S. has in mind the Chinese, especially—appear not to have been given direct access. Finally, the Pakistan military has been silent on details it must know about the U.S. raid. How back-up forces—in Chinooks and other Black Hawks—were deployed during the raid remains secret. Embarrassment may explain Pakistani silence on this and other details. But the silence is being taken as another conciliatory gesture.

The critical unknown, sources say, remains the attitude of Army chief of staff, Gen. Ashraf Kayani. The boss of ISI, Lt. Gen. Shuja Pasha wants to quit, according to a senior Pakistani official. Pasha apparently has offered his resignation three times since the raid—twice in closed-door leadership sessions, and then during the heated parliamentary discussion. It’s been refused each time, even by the critical parliament in its marathon session. But administration officials see Kayani as the driving figure behind Pakistan’s long-term response to the crisis. Kayani sat in basilisk silence during the parliamentary session. What one U.S. official called “a problem we had not adequately foreseen” is that Kayani apparently has taken the U.S. decision not to inform him about the SEALs raid as an unforgivable slight on his personal honor. It calls into question, he apparently thinks, his whole relationship—and by extension, Pakistan’s—with the administration. Kayani has to be mollified somehow. Sen. John Kerry’s mission to Pakistan this weekend—at President Obama’s request—has that as one of its objectives.

• What about bin Laden’s archives scooped up by the CIA operatives who accompanied the SEALs on the raid?
It will take weeks or more before the U.S. has really figured out what these reveal. Meanwhile, the trove is seen as a sword poised in classic Damoclean fashion over the heads of Pakistan’s leadership. “They have to be concerned what we will learn about Pakistan’s relationship with al Qaeda and perhaps other terrorist groups,” said one U.S. official. So the trove is a lever to, at the least, nudge Pakistan’s continued cooperation. But what if the trove does reveal Pakistani complicity at high levels in bin Laden’s operations? How should the Administration handle that?

Administration officials see an even trickier problem looming. Say the trove gives good leads to the whereabouts of bin Laden’s number two, Ayman al Zawahiri. The U.S. assumes Zawahiri, too, has been living in Pakistan—at least until he learned of bin Laden’s death. Should the administration share this information with the Pakistanis and request their cooperation? Or should the CIA pursue the trail unilaterally, and pave the way for another raid?

• What, finally, of Mullah Omar and the rest of the Taliban leadership broadly called the Quetta Shura?
The CIA, sources say, has some confidence it knows the whereabouts in Pakistan of Omar and his colleagues. But they’ve been outside the geographic limits of Predator strikes agreed with Pakistan. Should they remain untouchable? President Obama is eager to announce this summer a major drawdown of U.S. troops in Afghanistan. His military commanders’ advice is likely to be that a sizable pullout is feasible—so long as the campaign is stepped up against the Taliban and associated groups in Pakistan.

If Pakistan’s evolving reactions to the SEALs raid over the next few weeks indicate that meaningful cooperation with the U.S. is now at an end, there are those within the administration who are willing to contemplate unilateral action against Mullah Omar and the Quetta Shura. Whatever the consequences for U.S./Pakistan relations. That’s how serious the crisis in relations with Pakistan has become.

John Barry joined Newsweek's Washington bureau as national security correspondent in July 1985. He has reported extensively on American intervention in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Haiti, Bosnia, Iraq and Somalia and efforts for peace in the Middle East. In 2002, he co-wrote "The War Crimes of Afghanistan" (8/26/02 cover) which won a National Headliner Award. He won the 1993 Investigative Reporters & Editors Gold Medal for his investigation of the shooting down of an Iranian airliner by the USS Vincennes, as well as a 1983 British Press Award—the British equivalent of a Pulitzer—for his reconstruction of the US-Soviet negotiations to ban intermediate range nuclear missiles in Europe.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Post by sum »

The victim was a member of the security staff at the consulate, said Iqbal Mehmood, Karachi's deputy inspector of police. He said the shooting was carried out by two men on a motorbike and appeared to be linked to last week's grenade attack on the mission, which caused some damage but no injuries.
security staff = GID afsar?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

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Gagan wrote:WRT Cyber Security,
The last I had heard, they were still using gmail accounts even in the PMO :roll: :wink:
It has improved now. They are using Facebook.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

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shiv wrote:
Acharya wrote: What he is saying is that it is majority will of the people of Pakistan to have terrorist attack India.
What about the majority will of the democratic state of India.
The democratic will of the state of India is to kill all Islamic extremists and any random 20 people standing anywhere near the said Islamist extremist.
May I offer a theory. Governments are covers for business interests (duh! for the BRF community). Skirmishes among business interests are common, but when by fate too many business interests collided, the world in an orgy of gruesomeness gave us ww1 and ww2 and a cool 100 million deaths I think. Thanks primarily to the oiropean oiseoules for that.

Anyway the point here is, people's outrage will not matter much. The idea that we will take hard action against pakistan has its best chance when the business houses in India have a reason to compete and take out the paki business interests. The clash of business interests could be anywhere. Securing raw materials, markets for end goods, business of securing supply lines, anything. One could throw in the terror and murder business as well I guess. It just needs to be monetizable and of sufficiently large scale.

The following is a sweeping statement but please give it some latitude. Governments the world over seem to, at one extreme be nothing but another face for a business entity(ies), or at the other end atleast serve as an order preservation arm for business houses or families doing business on a global scale. And governments declare war. In this analogy the distinction between a "democratic" govt or a dictatorship doesn't matter.

So far having outrage against TSP by the common man hasn't mattered and I suspect will not in the future as well - pretty high levels of violence from TSP have been calibrated by now without inconveniencing us too much save some rather awkward shifting and letting loose a few farts in the NWerly direction. The list of terror attacks on the India thread is proof of that. What else is left to do. Drop a nuke on us? Bottom line, the leadership of India has found ways to manage our outrage and gets better at it day by day. On the other hand the business houses of India while inconvenienced have never been hurt that badly. Can we show ways and means the big money making side of India could benefit from eliminating Pakistan. I think that might be worth pursuing.

Just some humble thoughts.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

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shiv wrote:
Gagan wrote:WRT Cyber Security,
The last I had heard, they were still using gmail accounts even in the PMO :roll: :wink:
It has improved now. They are using Facebook.
:rotfl:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

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^
That is still better than what is happening in Pakistan

apparently the generic password for all govt and military accounts is 'Vaseline'
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

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Gagan wrote:So in effect, Pasha has conveyed a terrorist attack threat to India.

I understand that at least 1 IBG is deployed right at the border, conducting 'exercises', the second one is heading there right after this one.
being reported in TV channels in India.

Pakistan is again shelling heavily across LOC. Pakistanis do not understand the concept of ceasefire. Why then would MMS stretch peace. The MMS peace initiative is like a chewing gum taken out of mouth. It is of no use and is a real nuisance.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

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I wonder why there is no news of India seriously pursuing the US on materials found in the "bin Laden" compound. Would that not contain info on OBL's contacts with assorted mujahids and 72-pursuers? Are we afraid to face our worst fears and scared that we may have to take some action?

I would not be surprised if the Americians claimed later that they had given "concrete" evidence on ISI involvement to India, who wanted nothing to do with it while pursuing the Nobel.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Post by Sri »

^^^

What MMS and MEA are blurting out as far as Pakistan is concerned is absolutely right. After OBL we do not have to say or prove anything viz a viz Pakistan. Whole world now knows that gini is out of bottle.

It is almost certain that blow back from Pakistan is due. We shouldn't up the ante at our border at this juncture. If India has some aggressive options ready then we must keep quite. There will be attempts from Pakistan Army to provoke us. Enemy we may be but hostility or a tactical gain viz a viz India is the only way Pakistan Army can salvage it's reputation. They know it and PMO knows it.

Keep making accommodating statements, and let Pakis make derogatory / threatening noises, the more we keep quite the more they will rot in their own stew. In desperation Pakis are bound to make mistakes.

For us time to prepare but keep quiet, and when the opportunity presents itself, SHOW NO MERCY.
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