Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 May 2011 07:33

MurthyB wrote:Wow, look how long it takes the brave paki fauj to finish off 5 people who are dying on the ground. So much Ak phyrrring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b023VkwLQug

Interesting and very Paki video. The brave Iman Taqwa Jeehard ul fisbiillian soldiers of the Pakistani army are not taking cover because they are 100% certain that the people they are shooting at are unarmed. Having said that the arm of a woman can be seen waving at 1 min 10 seconds after which the brave Paki Iman Taqwa Jihadulfisabulla soldiers keep on phyrring and phrrying. Charming. Charming.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 20 May 2011 07:47

shiv wrote:Having said that the arm of a woman can be seen waving at 1 min 10 seconds after which the brave Paki Iman Taqwa Jihadulfisabulla soldiers keep on phyrring and phrrying. Charming. Charming.

http://www.dawn.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... P1-543.jpg

That is a sign for shahada. It means you attest the Unicity of Allah by raising one finger.

http://www.ilmfruits.com/wp-content/upl ... finger.jpg

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2011 08:04

When I saw the following in The Hindu, I thought somehow I should post it here.

Ravana is disturbed by Hanuman's acts in Lanka. Hanuman had entered Lanka, in spite of all the security in the kingdom, had located Sita and had set fire to Lanka. Ravana decides that he needs to consult his ministers about the next course of action. He calls a meeting of his council of ministers. He addresses them and seeks their advice about what to do with regard to the threat posed by Lord Rama.

Ravana, confused and agitated as he is, summons his ministers, to ask them what should be done, since Rama and His army of monkeys entering Lanka seems a certainty. But Ravana's advisers misguide him by praising his valour and telling him that Indrajit could single-handedly destroy the monkey army. Thus wrongly advised by his ministers and not heeding the advice of the sensible ones, Ravana goes to battle and is killed.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 20 May 2011 08:12

Kamran Khan: Pak is a Terrorist State

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 May 2011 08:35

Tons of Paki wikileaks on Hindu today:
U.S. pushed for Pasha's India visit

After the 2008 Mumbai attacks, the United States urged Pakistan's highest officials to send the Inter-Services Intelligence chief to India, in order to demonstrate their seriousness in cooperating with New Delhi in the investigations.

Three days after the attacks, the U.S. also told Pakistan it was important to investigate if there was a “GoP”, or Government of Pakistan, link to the carnage in Mumbai. This is now a question to which the U.S. is seeking answers with David Headley, a Pakistani-origin American, set to claim in a Chicago court that the Mumbai attacks were guided by the ISI.

Diplomatic cables accessed by The Hindu through WikiLeaks show that the U.S. tried hard to persuade Pakistan to stick to a November 28, 2008 decision to send the head of the ISI, Lt. General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, to India — but to no avail.

Noting that Pakistan had publicly accepted the Indian request to send the ISI Director to New Delhi, Mr. Feierstein told Mr. Qureshi it was important that Pasha go. “If Pasha goes to India, this will be seen as a sign of GOP seriousness to carry through on its pledges of cooperation; if not, it will be seen as a retreat and will send a very negative signal.”

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 May 2011 08:38

‘We have some contacts with bad guys and perhaps one of them did it'

While denying that Inter-Services Intelligence had a hand in the 2008 bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul, Mahmud Ali Durrani, Pakistan's National Security Adviser to the Prime Minister, admitted to his Indian counterpart M.K. Narayanan that Pakistan had contacts with “bad guys” and “one of them” could have carried out the attack.

Four Indians, including two senior officials at the Indian Embassy, were among the 58 people killed in the suicide bombing on July 7, 2008. India accused the ISI of being behind the attack.

“Inter-Services Intelligence didn't do it,” the Pakistan NSA told Mr. Narayanan at a meeting in New Delhi on October 13, 2008. He denied Pakistan was directly responsible for the bombing.

But, Mr Durrani said, “We have some contacts with bad guys and perhaps one of them did it,” according to a U.S. diplomatic cable dated October 28, 2008 ( 175543: secret) from Islamabad, sent under the name of Ambassador Anne W. Patterson.

The Indian NSA, as Mr. Durrani told the U.S. official, admitted he had been carried away and was a “little harsh with us.”

A retired Lieutenant-General and a former Ambassador to the United States, Mr. Durrani was often viewed in Pakistan as “pro-India.” He was forced to resign as the NSA in the aftermath of the attacks for being the first to admit that Ajmal Amir Kasab, the lone surviving gunman in Indian custody, was a Pakistani.

In his meeting with Mr. Boucher, the Pakistan official described his October 13, 2008 meeting with Mr. Narayanan, just weeks before the Mumbai terrorist attack, as “unusually good” and said he was received “as a friend with open arms.”

Still, as the Pakistan NSA detailed to Mr. Boucher, the Indians had “lots of complaints” about 39 alleged violations of the Line of Control that year.

“The Indian Foreign Secretary [Shivshankar Menon] told Durrani bluntly, said Durrani, that the Indian view was that after [former Pakistan President Pervez] Musharraf lost control, the Pakistani Army went back to its old ways. Durrani pointed out that Musharraf had blocked ‘launch efforts' in Kashmir but said that perhaps one specific battalion on the border was a source of trouble. Pakistan had recommended that the two Directors General of Military Operations meet more regularly; the Indian Ministry of Foreign Affairs had rejected that idea because of objection from their military,” the cable reported.

But the Siachen issue was different: “According to Durrani, however, the Indian Army was opposed to making progress on the Siachen Glacier; he was told by the Indians to ‘forget it,' { Good work, IA}so perhaps progress was only possible on Siachen within a more comprehensive framework.”

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 May 2011 08:39

If Mumbai attack suspects in Pakistan are freed, India is at fault

United States officials were worried about the possibility that the top three Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militants arrested by Pakistan in connection with the 26/11 Mumbai attacks could be acquitted and let free by the court for want of evidence. They complained that New Delhi was at fault in this, as despite repeated interventions by the U.S. government at “several levels,” it had not shared “certified evidence” with Pakistan.

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 May 2011 08:39

U.S. feared LeT attack in India in mid-2009; warned Pakistan

In June 2009, the United States had “credible reports” that the Lashkar-e-Taiba was planning another attack in India and asked Pakistan to disrupt those plans. The U.S. also warned that if such an attack happened, it could “hinder” Washington's efforts to provide military and non-military aid to Islamabad.

A June 23, 2009 cable from the State Department, sent under the name of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ( 213621: confidential), instructed the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad “to underscore to senior Pakistani government officials the critical importance of Pakistani cooperation in preventing Lashkar e-Tayyiba (LeT) attacks on India.”

The cable said: “There are credible reports of advanced LeT planning for attacks against India. An attack at this time — especially from Pakistani territory — would undermine progress for regional cooperation, divert resources from the military campaign in the west, and could hinder the USG's ability to provide Pakistan with military and economic assistance without restrictive conditions.” It noted that the newly elected Indian government had shown readiness to re-engage with Pakistan. But “critical” to this was Pakistan's progress in bringing the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks to justice.

“Another Mumbai-style or major LeT attack on India, especially if launched from Pakistani soil, could close this historic opportunity and could risk a stronger Indian response than that which occurred after Mumbai,” the cable warned.

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 May 2011 08:41

After Mumbai attacks, U.S. initiated steps to help Pakistan military address ‘conventional disadvantage' against India

Less than a year after the Mumbai terrorist attacks, the United States Mission in Islamabad urged Washington to commit $2 billion over a five-year period beginning April 2011 to enable the Pakistan military to address, among other security needs, its “growing conventional disadvantage vis-à-vis India,” in order to secure its cooperation in the “war on terror.”

The U.S. Government accepted the recommendation. A report in the Washington Post on October 22, 2010 said: “The Obama administration will ask Congress to expand military aid to Pakistan, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday, announcing a five-year, $2 billion package that would increase current financing for weapons purchases by about one-third.”

After the killing of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in Pakistani territory by U.S. forces, several American politicians have questioned their country's lavish funding of the Pakistani military.

Even two years ago, the U.S. had expressed doubts about Pakistan's commitment to the war on terror, but believed giving the Pakistan military more money would cement the gaps in the relationship.

A cable dated October 14, 2009 (229597: confidential), accessed by The Hindu through WikiLeaks, details the U.S. Embassy's recommendation for a substantive increase in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) to assist Pakistan address its security requirements.

“The Pakistanis utilize FMF to address the country's broad security needs, which entails their dividing the funds among their services — Army, Navy, and Air Force — and developing conventional as well as counterinsurgency capabilities. This includes their addressing their growing conventional disadvantage vis-a-vis India,” the cable noted. It was sent under the name of U.S. Ambassador Anne W. Patterson.

This is the great "strategic relationship" for which many even on BR are crying over that we didn't give Unkil 10B $ of our money for the MMRCA( indirectly to Pak to help address its "conventional disparity") and so, ruined such a "great" relationship.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 May 2011 08:59

IED mubarak on a foreign-owned armored landcruiser in Peshawar.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 20 May 2011 09:13

One killed, 10 injured in Peshawar bomb blast

According to eye-witnesses, vehicle of the US personnel was attacked when it reached Abdara Chowk at 8am on Friday, killing a man who was passing by the vehicle on a motorcycle at the time of blast. At least 10 people, including two foreigners, were injured in the blast, they said.

“The bomb was planted on the roadside,” the eye-witnesses said, adding that it was a remote control blast.

According to another report, the law enforcement agencies have detained a suspect from the site of the blast.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 May 2011 09:15

Long time ago on BRF we figured that the US talks to TSP and PRC about India and nothing else.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 May 2011 10:20

sum wrote:After Mumbai attacks, U.S. initiated steps to help Pakistan military address ‘conventional disadvantage' against India

This is the great "strategic relationship" for which many even on BR are crying over that we didn't give Unkil 10B $ of our money for the MMRCA( indirectly to Pak to help address its "conventional disparity") and so, ruined such a "great" relationship.

Its even worse. Look at the big picture. TSP attacks India. Then thumbs its nose refusing to prosecute those responsible right under its nose. US knows this was a state-sponsored attack, and yet it is sympathizing with TSP's lack of conventional parity with India. Is this logic upside down or what? Assuming there was a fair international court of justice on planet Mars, can India not sue US for aiding and abeting terrorism against India?

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2011 10:52

CRamS, Pakistan has employed two lines of reasoning with the US since the 1950s. The first was that Pakistan was a bulwark against Communism while India was likely to fall to the communists. This more or less persisted until the late 1980s.

After the Geneva Accord and the disappearance of the Soviet threat thereafter, Pakistan had to find a new reason. So, it went back to the theme that 'India was not yet reconciled to the creation of Pakistan', an old theme that was revived to justify the new jihadi-nuclear trajectory of Pakistan. The US and other western powers bought this lemon too and accepted the convoluted reasoning that Pakistan has a security paranoia vis-a-vis India. They also accepted that a stubborn and a vastly superior India refuses to address that paranoia by settling J&K issue to the satisfaction of Pakistan. Hence, Pakistan must be helped to overcome that paranoia. Multiple means are used and all of them are at the cost of India. Extensively arming Pakistan under various pretexts, bringing pressure on India, understanding the Pakistani need for using non-state actors are some of these.

Today, the world accepts the so-called non-state jihadists of Pakistan as a legitimate employment of force against India. Period.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 20 May 2011 11:01

Sridhar ji, How has Pakistan been able to sell this security paranoia to America and other western nations unless they always wanted to buy this lemon.

India needs to have its own employment exchanges in TSP which encourage these non-state actors to ply their trade against western nations to bring home the point. Till then we can cry all day long but no one is going to care even if we are $10 trillion economy. Let us increase the employment pool by directing this non state manpower to other 3.5 friendly nations. We have enough money to own few bitches in TSP.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 20 May 2011 11:12

^ Cold war was an important factor then and still most of the US policy winks have cold warriors mentality. In the mean time India has to show patience.

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » 20 May 2011 11:38

Johann,

Even if Kayani or his eventual replacement decided to accept U.S. help for a mutiny or assault situation at a nuclear related facility, things could quickly escalate beyond what the U.S. could achieve even with special capabilities.

The security detail for Taseer let Qadri repeatedly shoot Taseer and their lack of action was silent approval.

If the decay in the PA is even close to what was shown in the Taseer security detail, I have difficulty imagining any meaningful support to help the U.S. in neutralizing or removing Pakistani nuclear weapons.

I would imagine any Pakistanis that gave visible support to that type of U.S. operation would have to be evacuated with their families because the Blowback against them would be huge.

Nuclear weapons are a core part of the Pakistani == mindset and to have that lost or significantly impaired by the U.S. would create tremendous anguish. Can the Pakistani Army take another morale - PR hit after the recent U.S. raid for bin Laden?

If I was gaming various scenarios for the U.S. in regards to solving a problem at a Pakistani nuclear related facility, my expectations for the PA would be neutral to the U.S. military at best and negative the majority of the time.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 20 May 2011 11:40

Acharya wrote:

Kamran Khan: Pak is a Terrorist State

Watch the same guys program for May 19 2011 , where he gives some info about china- paki deals.
Only the first 10 min are on that topic ( watch only if you can stand the loud background music .... many regional language programs on paki TV have such soundtrack ..... music for the impending doom)

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 May 2011 11:43

insecurity against an 'aggressive india' is the central theme of the pakistani narrative - give us more money and weapons and we'll feel safe and then we'll be good boys. that's a very easy sell to the west. the paks cite 1971 as proof of indian aggression. the west buys it because in their collective memory that was a pro-soviet evil empire india aggressing against noble desert warriors as sold to them by nixon-kissinger. somehow the paks have convinced the west that appeasement works in their case

india's refusal to do as told is the 'problem', as is india's "sanctimonious moral high ground" stance on all international matters as seen by the west

to everyone who thinks we are dhoti shiverers... clearly the world does not see us quite the same way as we see ourselves

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 20 May 2011 11:53

Acharya wrote:
Kamran Khan: Pak is a Terrorist State

Someone with good understanding of Urdu should add english subtitles and post it on you tube.
Excellent material. Thanks for posting.

My Urdu is very basic.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 20 May 2011 12:19

Kiyani wanted more drones Dawn is publishing many nuggets from previously un published wiki leaks cables

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 May 2011 12:56

MSNBC.COM

Pakistan blast targets US consulate vehicle
Passer-by killed, two Americans wounded, officials say; Pakistani Taliban claim responsibility

updated 40 minutes ago

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — The Taliban detonated a car bomb next to two U.S. consulate cars carrying Americans in northwest Pakistan on Friday, wounding some of them in a strike the militants said was in revenge for the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

One Pakistani passer-by was killed and at least 10 people were believed to have been wounded, including an unknown number of Americans. It was the first attack on Westerners since the May 2 raid by American commandos on bin Laden's hideout in an army town around three hours from Peshawar, officials said. The Americans' wounds were not serious, an embassy spokesman said.

The Pakistani Taliban, an al-Qaida allied group behind scores of attacks in recent years, claimed responsibility.

"We say to the Americans and NATO that we will carry out more deadly attacks and we can do it," Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan said in a phone call from an undisclosed location. "We had warned that we will avenge the martyrdom of Osama."

"The diplomatic staff of all NATO countries are our targets," Ahsan told Reuters. "We will continue such attacks. Pakistan is our first target, and America is our second."

No high-ranking U.S. official was in the vehicles, which were making a routine trip to the consulate, said U.S. Embassy spokesman Alberto Rodriguez. He said Americans in one of the vehicles received minor wounds, did not say how many were traveling. Police said there were two "foreigners" in the damaged vehicle.

NBC News reported that two American military officials were wounded. They were carrying out surveillance work in an armored vehicle.

Americans traveling in Peshawar normally used armored vehicles .

Peshawar lies just outside Pakistan's tribal regions, where al-Qaida and the Taliban are based.

110 pounds of explosives
The city has witnessed many of the suicide and other bombings that have scarred Pakistan over the past five years, the vast majority against Pakistani government and security force targets. Foreigners in Pakistan have also been targeted, but not nearly as much.

Last week, the Pakistani Taliban killed more than 80 Pakistani recruits for a paramilitary border force in double suicide attacks close to Peshawar. They said those blasts were also in revenge for the death of bin Laden.

Pakistani TV footage showed that the car that was hit was a large, sport utility vehicle. It appeared to have veered into a pole and the hood was damaged. Nearby buildings also were damaged in the blast.

The U.S. Consulate in Peshawar, which is believed to house a significant CIA presence hunting al-Qaida and associated groups, has been targeted in the past.

In August 2008, Lynne Tracy, then the top U.S. diplomat at the consulate, survived a gun attack on her armored vehicle. In April last year, militants used car bombs and grenades to strike the consulate, killing eight people. None of the dead were U.S. citizens, but several were security guards working for the consulate.

The attackers Friday used 110 pounds of explosives, said senior police official Liaquat Ali Khan.

He said the second U.S. vehicle arrived shortly after the attack and whisked away the Americans.

The U.S. raid that killed bin Laden in Abbottabad has badly damaged Pakistani-American relations.

Pakistan is angry it was not warned in advance that the Navy SEALs team would storm bin Laden's compound, and insists it had no idea the terror mastermind was hiding there. U.S. officials have visited Pakistan in recent days to try to patch up differences, and assure Pakistan's continued cooperation in the battle against al-Qaida and allies Islamist militant groups.

The Associated Press, Reuters and NBC News contributed to this report.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 May 2011 12:58

most of the 80 police recruits KIA last week were little more than kids in their late teens.

so none are off the radar for the pakiban strikes.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 May 2011 12:59

110 lbs of explosives, not 100-150, not 50-100, but 110
pak police forensics must be damn good

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 May 2011 13:00

^^ Thats because they know the exact amount they siphoned off to provide to the non-state actors?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2011 13:07

VikasRaina wrote:Sridhar ji, How has Pakistan been able to sell this security paranoia to America and other western nations unless they always wanted to buy this lemon.

Vikas, the answer to your question lies in the article by Friedman, US Pakistani Relations Beyond Bin Laden that 'anmol' posted. Specifically,

The first involves the collapse of Pakistan, which would create an India more powerful than the United States might want.

From my own post of April 6,

It has been the US policy to ensure that nobody challenged it (which is not incorrect from its standpoint per se). May be they learnt a lesson from their over indulgence of the Chinese. So, the US may impose self restrictions on how far it needed to go vis-a-vis India.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2011 13:10

Singha wrote:MSNBC.COM

Pakistan blast targets US consulate vehicle
Passer-by killed, two Americans wounded, officials say; Pakistani Taliban claim responsibility

This is not a biggie to cause Ms. Hillary Clinton to invoke a response that she threatened Pakistan with, if another terror attack was traced to Pakistan. This is a minor chumma on a jumma.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 20 May 2011 13:45

http://www.sify.com/news/wikileaks-kaya ... hdhed.html

Islamabad: Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, contrary to the military's public posturing, had sought more US drone strikes to help battle militants, revealed a cable accessed by WikiLeaks.

Dawn cited secret internal US government cables which show that way back in January 2008, the country's military was asking the US for greater drone back-up for its military efforts.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 May 2011 13:47

this is not news, they've been begging for drones from musharraf's day

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 20 May 2011 13:50

Lalmohan wrote:this is not news, they've been begging for drones from musharraf's day

Yes , but they wanted for them self, but here it shows that kayani actually asked US to keep bombing the area with drones

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 20 May 2011 13:57

CRamS wrote:Its even worse. Look at the big picture. TSP attacks India. Then thumbs its nose refusing to prosecute those responsible right under its nose. US knows this was a state-sponsored attack, and yet it is sympathizing with TSP's lack of conventional parity with India. Is this logic upside down or what? Assuming there was a fair international court of justice on planet Mars, can India not sue US for aiding and abeting terrorism against India? .

Its becoming increasingly clear to Indians that the pappi-jhappi of the last 2 years with TSP, inspite of no action on 26/11 - is primarily driven by US interests vis-a-vis the region.

In case there is a another act of terrorism against India or India is made the fall-guy for appeasing TSP - my feeling is the Indian public will hold not just the Indian government responsible for inaction but the US will also face the heat of Indian public opinion. Hopefully this is something the US appreciates and will factor into their strategies.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 20 May 2011 14:07

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 20 May 2011 14:20

Most of the people here I think wouldnt.

Pray Sir, What makes you say this with so much of certainty ? Most of us here on BRF value human life.

America is doing the same thing..Its playing the same game.

That is very naive of you to defend USA with such an argument. Well you know what, Unfortunately American game and perfidy is causing lives of Indians. Why the Fuk should we pay free money to USA to get closer? India has been helping US by not squeezing Pak as much as we can. All we have to do is to move strike corps near the border and start talking about Cold Start and see Americans making a beeline to New Delhi. America is not a trustworthy partner has been proven so many a time in the past that it is no longer deja-vu.

Seriously you need to read a lot on BRF before coming to defense of USA duplicity.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 20 May 2011 14:38

Pray Sir, What makes you say this with so much of certainty ? Most of us here on BRF value human life.

Somehow it doesnt reflect in the celebrations on every Pakibani strike in Pakroachi land.I still hope I made the right statement.

That is very naive of you to defend USA with such an argument.

Was not defending anything.

Why the Fuk should we pay free money to USA to get closer?

We werent paying free money. We were buying something.Acording to you everyone who thinks or thought India should leverage this deal to maximum politico-strategic advantage is an idiot.

India has been helping US by not squeezing Pak as much as we can.

Its because India has not got the balls to..No political will..I live in new Delhi.Mods can check my IP.

All we have to do is to move strike corps near the border and start talking about Cold Start and see Americans making a beeline to New Delhi.

So why are we absorbing one terrorist strike after another if we were so macho anyway.

America is not a trustworthy partner has been proven so many a time in the past that it is no longer deja-vu.

No its not.no country on the planet is.But partnering it has its advantages.eg. - nuclear deal

Seriously you need to read a lot on BRF before coming to defense of USA duplicity.

Will think about your advice altough I think its prejudiced,patronising and given in a hurry.
Regards

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 May 2011 14:38

Most of the people here I think wouldnt.

I agree with Vikas Ji. This statement must not go unchallenged, because it is patently false.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2011 14:45

krishnan wrote:http://www.sify.com/news/wikileaks-kaya ... hdhed.html

Islamabad: Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, contrary to the military's public posturing, had sought more US drone strikes to help battle militants, revealed a cable accessed by WikiLeaks.

Dawn cited secret internal US government cables which show that way back in January 2008, the country's military was asking the US for greater drone back-up for its military efforts.

Ohh. . . that was against Mehsud in South Waziristan. Bad Taliban, you know. Hence, deserving of the sovereignty-violating kafir arsenal.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2011 14:51

RSoami wrote:I still hope I made the right statement.

No, you didn't make the right statement at all.

Be mindful of what you state or imply.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 20 May 2011 15:01

I have edited the original post.
So while Americans are following a policy that is costing India lives of its citizens for strategic advantages we would not do the same.
??
Regards

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 20 May 2011 15:22

VikasRaina wrote: Well you know what, Unfortunately American game and perfidy is causing lives of Indians. Why the Fuk should we pay free money to USA to get closer? India has been helping US by not squeezing Pak as much as we can. All we have to do is to move strike corps near the border and start talking about Cold Start and see Americans making a beeline to New Delhi.

See, the Paks are like a grenade. A grenade is not meant to be preserved and valued for an indefinite period of time. A grenade is meant to be used, sooner or later. And in the process of being used, it gets destroyed. And that's fine for those that make the grenade.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 20 May 2011 15:23

RSoami wrote:I live in new Delhi.Mods can check my IP.

It's time you take the red pill.