Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 23 May 2011 04:06

Best of defndumb

Wow, maybe soon boy scouts will be required to protect the military

Police saving a base? whts next hijra's to protect GHQ?

So sad this a monday morning and have to head to work and not to the nearest bar...

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 23 May 2011 04:15

If furrin troops are dead, TSP cannot even call it a "training" exercise to save echandee.

Rehman Malik.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 May 2011 04:26

Dumb question - if Paki loses P3Cs, it degrades certain surveillance capabilities - would this degradation be essential, e.g., if a US team wants to retrieve, say, Mullah Omar, from the heart of Karachi????

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 23 May 2011 04:29

News reports say 2 pure have been captured alive...hope they dont drug them and make them confess to being Hindus sent by RAW because Digvijay Singh would immediately confirm that saying they are from Sangh Parivar and Mani Shankar Aiyar would be interviewed by Burkha Dutt to find out how true that is..

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 23 May 2011 04:45

^^^ They will do that anyway. Doesn't matter if any are caught, drugged, tortured, under-lungi tested, or what not. By now that is par for the course and wajib-ul-ignore.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 May 2011 04:49

abhishek_sharma wrote:Pakistan: A Hard Country by Anatol Lieven (video)

Around 01:14:34:

{before this: Pakistani businessmen hope to cash in on the alliance with China - as China's demographic transition takes place, they hope to get Chinese investment to use Pakistani labor. But! the natural market is India. Will India trade with Pakistan? Not as long as it fears export of terror from Pakistan.}

Paraphrasing Lieven: It may be that India will have to settle for terrorist attacks not happening rather than Pakistan dismantling the terror apparatus. Pakistan is not going to dismantle LeT. With the huge exception of Mumbai, Pakistan has not been sponsoring terror attacks (!) and Mumbai is ambiguous (!!!). I would look to India to see Pakistan restraining the groups in Pakistan rather than going to abolish them. Since the courts won't convict terrorists (even Mukhtaran Mai's rapists) the only thing you can do is what a superintendent of police told me, which is to go and shoot them. If Pakistan starts shooting LeT in the back of the head, you have a problem not just in Punjab but in Bradford, because of the sympathy for the Kashmiri jihad. I hope it will come with increasing trade, but a solution to the Kashmir problem is a long way off. What I hope for is the analog of the European-Soviet d'etente. While NATO was hostile to the USSR till the end, d'entente allowed a huge infrastructure - Russian gas exports to the European Union. I've been involved in a lot of track II with India and Pakistan, and while Kashmir is very intractable, maybe pragmatists on both side can come to agreement on Afghanistan. Sensible people on both sides' security establishments realize they can't get all that they want. And as an Indian general told me, historically, Afghanistan is not necessarily a place you want to get deeply involved in. Baluchistan insurgency can be contained, I think. Pakistan has played British model of divide and rule among the tribals; but now there is a mass of partly educated, partly detribalized youth entering the picture. 40% Pashtuns in Baluchistan, and Quetta being mostly Pashtun is a major drag on Baluch independence.

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 23 May 2011 04:49

By the way, it would be ironic if the jihadis entered through the PAF Museum. From what I have heard from those who have visited that museum, it is full of fake stories of TFTA bravery and how TSP AF annihilated the "enemy" in various wars.

[yes, from what I have heard, it never says India, just some mythical "enemy" with whom, for example, they had a war in, say, 1965]

Folks are so strapped for points of tourist interest in Karachi that they actually visit crap like this museum and Jinnah shrine etc.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 23 May 2011 05:01

bbclysedoucet

BBC's Shoaib Hassan in Karachi tells @BBCNewshour hostages taken #PNSMehran including #Pakistan naval personnel & Chinese nationals

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 23 May 2011 05:01

Lt. Syed Yaser Abbas from Lahore, (Rapid response team) is one of first killed reportedly...

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 23 May 2011 05:04

CNN is always fishy in its paki-pasand behavior. However, it is strange that this news has not yet made it to CNN main website. The lead story is still about some baseball fan who got beaten up.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 23 May 2011 05:05

A_Gupta wrote:Dumb question - if Paki loses P3Cs, it degrades certain surveillance capabilities - would this degradation be essential, e.g., if a US team wants to retrieve, say, Mullah Omar, from the heart of Karachi????

Not needed. A built-in 'kill switch' is much simpler

Shalav · Post by **Shalav** » 23 May 2011 05:09

This is the base where their marine SSG are based out of. Presumably they should have been on hand immediately. It's been more than 7 hours and the miscreants are still at large within the base.

It certainly doesn't speak of their capabilities. I now hear they are waiting for daylight. That doesn't speak well of their equipment availability if they can't find relevant NV equipment in their own main base.

What have they been spending all that US aid on?!

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 23 May 2011 05:13

Def and dumb Beeb reporter:

"Eyewitnesses say the militants used rocket propelled grenades to damage and destroy several warplanes. These included the Pakistan navy's premier anti-submarine attack jet - the US made P-3C Orion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13495127

Other reaction:

This is a mutiny not an militant attack: it's beards on beards. Very hairy stuff...

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 23 May 2011 05:15

Shalav wrote:This is the base where their marine SSG are based out of. Presumably they should have been on hand immediately. It's been more than 7 hours and the miscreants are still at large within the base.

It certainly doesn't speak of their capabilities. I now hear they are waiting for daylight. That doesn't speak well of their equipment availability if they can't find relevant NV equipment in their own main base.

What have they been spending all that US aid on?!

Day vision goggles....

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 23 May 2011 05:24

BBC: most of the hostages held by attackers inside navy base in #Karachi #Pakistan are #Chinese @Ashley_Bullard #China

Wonder if this has anything to do with the Gwadar naval base offer to the Chinese

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 May 2011 05:25

First Pakistani military's H&D was blown away by the US raid in Abbotabad, then by the jihadis' attack on a major base.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 23 May 2011 05:29

wtf - here I am trading pellets with Austin on tank thread and you buggers start a party on the sly

but jokes aside the Paki echandee is getting hammered and all the more for IAF\IN and IA to be extra vigilant around its assets

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2011 05:40

Mahendra wrote:Shivullah IED mubarak to you! I know it is too early in the morning for you so will wait patiently for the jhappi and the IED mubarak video by Abdul-Packee

Pakistani Islamists have rarely won more than 2% of the vote in elections and Pakistan's tolerant credentials are carried by the silent moderate majority.

Meanwhile - the customary greetings for glad tidings.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 23 May 2011 05:41

Pakistan is like watching someone commit suicide right in front of your eyes. Fascinated horror

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 23 May 2011 05:41

TSP TV saying that SSG is delaying the attack on the building where hostages are kept because there are "secret" or "sensitive" items in that facility. Could TSPA be stupid enough to keep nukes there? I'm thinking it is probably missiles because that could explain the heavy Chinese presence there. This is also another clear pointer towards an inside job.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 23 May 2011 05:47

News to warm a jingo's heart! May such acts multiply across pakistan!! AoA!!

Shalav · Post by **Shalav** » 23 May 2011 05:49

This is the main base for pakistani SSGN. It surprising that it has dragged on for so long. Of course they would say they are delaying the attack because of some secret or the other. No one is asking now but when I first read about this, I thought it shouldn't be a long drama, the SSGN is based there after all. Apparently I am wrong.

Eventually Pakistanis will also start asking why the SSGN took so long to subdue the miscreants.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2011 05:51

shyamd wrote:Terrorists speaking Panjaabi and Pashto. Reporter says nervous Policeman can't load his AK coz he is so nervous. Terrrorists still putting up a fight.

Bengali Hindus from Kolkata always speak Punjabi and Pashto. I am certain Mr Brandy is involved.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2011 05:54

self deleted

Let us celebrate Pakistan

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 May 2011 06:01

Whatever the terrorist do its impossible for them to take any liberal fella hostage !! Hence no loss to humanity.
Beard ko Beard mille , kar kar ke Inchi Naap
Kleen shaven Islamist ki koi na sunne baat!!

After long wait of 1400 years, pure, real islam is revived in Pakistan. Today is a real auspicious day for Poaks. No doubt they are celebrating with boom baam.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 23 May 2011 06:01

Damn, these Hindus from Calcutta get everywhere.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 23 May 2011 06:03

what online TSP channels are you watching??

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 23 May 2011 06:08

how many want to bet it is a ojhri camp fire "accident" redux

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 23 May 2011 06:14

was wondering

maybe the P3Cs are empty shells

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2011 06:15

Surya wrote:was wondering

maybe the P3Cs are empty shells

They are now

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 23 May 2011 06:20

yeah but the insides may have already gone over to Cheeen land

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 23 May 2011 06:37

Rangudu wrote:My quick takes:

4. Lastly but most importantly, we are all but certain to have a big attack in India imminently, perhaps even this week. The H&D loss and jihadi anger is too much for TSPA leadership. Like a dog's tail, they will do only one thing when backed into a corner

I am willing to wager this time however the attack on India will be on military personnel. Only targeting IA/IAF would even have a chance to neutralize H&D loss

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2011 06:41

Yo Paki lurkers - remember this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Kaluchak_massacre

There were a total of 31 killed, including 3 Army personnel, 18 Army family members and 10 civilians. There were 47 wounded including 12 Army personnel, 20 Army family members and 15 civilians.[3] The dead included ten children.[4]

Die you futhermuckers. Die.

muahahahahahaha!

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 23 May 2011 06:42

GuruPrabhu wrote:CNN is always fishy in its paki-pasand behavior. However, it is strange that this news has not yet made it to CNN main website. The lead story is still about some baseball fan who got beaten up.

For them baseball i more important than pak now.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 23 May 2011 06:46

DD1 wrote: or guard dogs let lose, after all pak mil kennels are reputed to produce some of the worlds best guard and military dogs, or is that also propoganda?
DD2 wrote: No they do produce some of the worlds finest military dogs. These day, you can find these in all the high posts of GHQ, Fauji Fertilizers, Cereal manufacturing, WAPDA, Railways, e.t.c. I have heard they are very loyal to their masters, especially the ones in the west.

It seems that the truth about the TSPA fauj is finally finding a home on def&dumb also.

The high-queen of D&D claimed it was most likely an inside job.

The high-priest of D&D wonders if the sensitive assets are nukes which is preventing the SSGN from acting.

CNN website is absolutely dark about this issue, as if the SD has sent in a gag order. This is very weird.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2011 06:49

Altair wrote:
Rangudu wrote:My quick takes:

4. Lastly but most importantly, we are all but certain to have a big attack in India imminently, perhaps even this week. The H&D loss and jihadi anger is too much for TSPA leadership. Like a dog's tail, they will do only one thing when backed into a corner
I am willing to wager this time however the attack on India will be on military personnel. Only targeting IA/IAF would even have a chance to neutralize H&D loss

Interestingly this attack shows how saboteurs can do things to important military installations and how security has to be really tight.

But no security can stop an inside job. I think Ass-phuck Kiyani scored a self goal as soon as he descended to the toilet throne of Pakistan by announcing "We are India centric". Every man and his uncle - especially unkil himself understood that Pakis would keep their eyes wide shut to an attack that did not come from India.

Having watched innocent Indian soldiers and civilians die for two decades from Paki inspired terrorism I am extremely happy top see pious people of the Iman Taqwa jihad ul fisabulla armed forces of Pakistan and their pious birathers slaughtering each other and falling over one another to help the next Paki to claim is 72 houris.

Cheers to that.

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 23 May 2011 06:52

ROTFL .... Ye dil maange moreeee!!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2011 06:53

krishnan wrote: For them baseball i more important than pak now.

Still it is surprising. Pakistan is the most important nation among the unimportant nations of the world.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 23 May 2011 06:54

VikramS wrote:
CNN website is absolutely dark about this issue, as if the SD has sent in a gag order. This is very weird.

There are Americans inside. USG does not want Americans to see more body bags from Pakistan. Definitely not on a weekend. Let American public have a victory feeling till it lasts.
Who ever has planned this attack deserves a accolade from BRF. If there was a award BRF ratna this guy sure deserves it!

saip · Post by **saip** » 23 May 2011 06:59

CNN did cover it albeit briefly a little while ago. They had some one live from ISlum a Bad.