Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

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Folks:

I had posted a link earlier that Rehman Malik went on air to report that the base has been taken over by 10-12 purer(est) SEVEN minutes after the raid started. The Navy guys were puzzled how come he knew the details when even the on-base guards were trying to develop a picture of what was going on.

Sen. Malik is not the smartest cookie in town, but it is highly unlikely that he was clued in with a direct line to the naval base, for him to go ON AIR to report the attack.

This news snippet was from a Pakistani newspaper (the tribune) which is one of the more reliable ones.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/176318/navy ... ns-mehran/
They also say it was peculiar that Malik came on air at 10:43pm on Sunday, claiming that around 10 to 15 attackers had not only infiltrated the PNS Mehran base, but also taken control.

“The attack began at 10:37pm. How could he claim to know all that when even we at the control room did not know the exact position,” they added.


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VikramS wrote:Folks:

I had posted a link earlier that Rehman Malik went on air to report that the base has been taken over by 10-12 purer(est) SEVEN minutes after the raid started. The Navy guys were puzzled how come he knew the details when even the on-base guards were trying to develop a picture of what was going on.

They also say it was peculiar that Malik came on air at 10:43pm on Sunday, claiming that around 10 to 15 attackers had not only infiltrated the PNS Mehran base, but also taken control.

“The attack began at 10:37pm. How could he claim to know all that when even we at the control room did not know the exact position,” they added.

Rehman Malik on TV was appealing for quam unity after the attack and was more concerned about that.
This may be sham attack to wake up the country
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Acharya wrote: Rehman Malik on TV was appealing for quam unity after the attack and was more concerned about that.
This may be sham attack to wake up the country
Agree Acharya.

Within a few hours, even before the incident ended they were all over saying India did it because the P3Cs are India specific. Nothing can unite the quam more than blaming India. There was that post about this Lackman guy saying that there is absolutely no doubt that it was India who did it (on the Urdu channel).

I guess Pasha did not dare do a Mumbai in India but they did it in TSP.
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Altair wrote:
abhijitm wrote:mehran attackers are the classmates of 26/11. Means there exists a shadow force which at times can be defined as non-state, rogue or even ISI. So when Pasha said a "rehersal" is done, he was referring to this force.

I am seriously thinking that tossing up P3-C has more to do than just being replaceable. This mehran episode was supposed to happen anyway. OBL gave them a wonderful opportunity and they cashed in. But why P3?

any ISI gain is US's loss. What has US lost in these P3?
I agree with your assessment that Mehran attackers were classmates of 26/11 attackers. They are well trained terrorists directly under someone like Musharraf.Pasha was telling the truth that they rehearsed Indian targets. If there is going to be an attack on India by their classmates it would be pretty similar.

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Maybe the terrorists were told to attack Jamnagar and shot up Karachi? IOW they were attacking their own base.
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anishns wrote:Bhailog what is this Obama-Lugar act as discussed in the 3rd video?
Is that really some kind of an initiative or hot air coming out from the motorhams musharraf after consuming too much pindi-chana?

If there is indeed such kind of an act...I wonder what the payback is going to be?

There was an act called Nunn-Lugar Act which gave funds to FSU/CIS states to denuke themselves. The act lapsed and was renewed as Obama-Lugar Act. The idea is to provide funds in exchange for fissile material to be converted reactor fuel.
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I see Bakistani army doing takhta-palto (coup de etat) in near future.
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The P3Cs were also being used in against the 'bad' Taliban by the Paki navy. In fact, there's a couple of statements to that effect about how the planes and PN commandos were fighting the militants.
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Was this posted here? According to this Pakis have only One Onion left with them now.
Sources in the Pakistan Navy revealed the defenders of seas’ capability to counter any threat from the sea had virtually come down to around 20 percent for the time being with three old Orions stationed in the US for routine repairs, check-up and upgrade. The Navy now has one Orion, a Fokker (upgraded with the required gadget for surveillance) and a Gulfstream jet (upgraded for the purpose). These three stations are not enough to guard the maritime frontiers of the country.
http://thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail ... F25%2F2011

The narrative reads like a Hollywood script! Something like Gunfight at OK Corral :rotfl:
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rsingh wrote:I see Bakistani army doing takhta-palto (coup de etat) in near future.
What's the use? They do not have any differences with democratic government. There is no power center that is challenging them and the challenges are internal for the baki-army.
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Arrested Marine Commando had Warned Pak of Imminent Attack
Rediff.com News
The "negligence on the part of the intelligence community and security czars has encouraged Militants
who have named the Intelligence Agencies as "Sheep", the report said. Other Personnel of the Armed Services are dubbed as "Goats" by the Militants,

according to communication records obtained from a flash drive, the report said.
"Sheep" = Intelligence Agencies
"Goats" = Personnel of the Armed Services
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Mahendra wrote:I agree with Acharya, the person giving the interview isn't the original Hafiz Saeed. It must be some cheap photo-copy
Mahendraji and Acharyaji, during the whole interview the alleged imposter was sitting so why would he need the walking stick and of all the pics I have seen of HS on the web and compare it with this guy who was being interviewed I can't find much of a difference other then this guy in the interview looks a little bit thinner on the face (when compared to the pics on internet) , the guy who was being interviewed may have lost weight due to loss of sleep & appetite after saber rattling by Yindia post-OBL raid.... maybe my nanha mujahid mind is not able to understand the intricacies as to why would a reputed host on puki news channel do an interview of the nakli maal..... or are Mahendraji and Acharyaji yanking my chain by subtle sarcasm?? please clear my doubts, either way...
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Continuing on the theme of Pakis being Pathological liars, here is one more, as stated by deepel than ocean friend:
At the weekend, the defence minister, Ahmad Mukhtar, announced that China would be taking over Gwadar, a deep-water Pakistani port on the Arabian Sea, turning it into a naval base. Currently, the port is run under contract by the Port of Singapore Authority. That contract is being challenged in the Pakistani courts by the provincial government, which could open the way to China taking over. However, Hamayoun Khan, of the National Defence University in Islamabad, insists that China’s interest in Gwadar remains chiefly commercial. Under an ambitious scheme, it could be developed to take goods by road and rail between Gwadar and south-west China. More than anything, says Mr Khan, Pakistan serves China’s interests by becoming safe and secure. This week, the government in Beijing said the Gwadar takeover plan had come as news to China.
http://www.economist.com/node/18745560? ... _this_week
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My guess for the next major event in TSP:
A disgruntled mid-level officer of PA or ISI

a) believes he has served his country and religion with honesty and diligence
b) feels that the top guys have let the country AND religion down.
c) knows some senior officers who are involved in illegal or haraam stuff

He knows what he is about to do is the right thing because nothing in TSP can be trusted
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anmol wrote::rotfl: :rotfl:

An emotional call for something to be done to "Lal Pili Topi Waley Maskharey"
Yeh Jo "Baloongre" Chodey Gai hai na, khud chup jatey haip.
Voh Lal Pili Topi Waley Mashkharey Jinko Behla Phusla Ke Apko Pagal Khaney Le Jana Chahiyeh kisi tarah, "Teeka" Lagwana Chaihiyeh.
Phir Zansiron Se Bandh Do, Mazaaak Nahin Kar Raha Hum Main...
Translation :- Those buffoon who wear red yellow caps, should be talked into joining mental asylum, given shots for rabies and then locked down with chains.
But even Nusrat Javed seems reluctant to take the LalTopee wearing mofo's name coz he knows that ZH is a rabies infested dog and may come and bite him.... who is the PeeliTopee wearing Mofo that he talks about or is he just doing Laal/Peela/Haran/Neela?
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saip wrote:Was this posted here? According to this Pakis have only One Onion left with them now.
Sources in the Pakistan Navy revealed the defenders of seas’ capability to counter any threat from the sea had virtually come down to around 20 percent for the time being with three old Orions stationed in the US for routine repairs, check-up and upgrade. The Navy now has one Orion, a Fokker (upgraded with the required gadget for surveillance) and a Gulfstream jet (upgraded for the purpose). These three stations are not enough to guard the maritime frontiers of the country.
http://thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail ... F25%2F2011

The narrative reads like a Hollywood script! Something like Gunfight at OK Corral :rotfl:

Looks good narrative because its ascript.

It doesn't account for where the bodies were found. All four are killed inteh building per this narrative- two inside bldg, one leader at the entrance and a sniper on a rooftop. Earlier accounts said only two in the building and another in the bushes.

And seems to paint the PN guys as having done everything and getting blamed.
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That dude in video interview does look like the ugly Jamaat-ul-Douchebag that so many bak-mards drool after.
ramana wrote:
anishns wrote:Bhailog what is this Obama-Lugar act as discussed in the 3rd video?
Is that really some kind of an initiative or hot air coming out from the motorhams musharraf after consuming too much pindi-chana?

If there is indeed such kind of an act...I wonder what the payback is going to be?
There was an act called Nunn-Lugar Act which gave funds to FSU/CIS states to denuke themselves. The act lapsed and was renewed as Obama-Lugar Act. The idea is to provide funds in exchange for fissile material to be converted reactor fuel.
From a US point of view, a "Paki nuclear issue" is solvable. They have solved far complex and larger threat from nucular fragmentation in erstwhile USSR. And they had people with stronger ideals and intellect to deal with than bakis like xerox khan! I remember posting that a Nunn-Lugar Act equivalent on Pakistan is the only way that the US can prove to India that it is at all serious about non-proliferation. Even the type of payoffs that are offered to Kim-boys for de-nuking are not there for pakis!! au contraire, the pakis are loading up on bums and that seems fine for DC!

If what Rudradev-saar posted is taken into consideration, that means the cold-war era laziness in pigeon-holing countries still exists in DC and no new ideas are worked on.

At some point, the world would have to pay a far heftier price than today's price for a Nunn-Lugar for pakis, either monetarily or otherwise.
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Opinion in The News
Differing threat perceptions? (Ikram Sehgal)
Thursday, May 26, 2011
Throughout the Cold War the US projected communism as the greater threat than India to Pakistan’s existence. Both in 1965 and 1971, the US “tilted” more towards Pakistan than India, when the chips were down we did not manage to get much more than tea and sympathy. With sanctions imposed after the 1965 war on both India and Pakistan, India’s armed forces got off scot-free, being equipped mostly with Soviet- or European-origin arms and equipment. Almost wholly dependant upon the US for its military supplies (an ally in both Cento and Seato), Pakistan not only had to scrounge and diversify, it was also forced into self-sufficiency when the sanctions put us repeatedly out in the cold every ten years.

Despite the Indians’ “non-aligned” status and Soviet connections, the US became India’s largest supplier of arms and defence equipment because of the 1962 India-China war. Despite this US largesse (which nearly included submarines to fight the Chinese in the Himalayas), India, for all intent and purposes, remained very much on the side, if not an active part, of the Soviet bloc throughout the Cold War. Who did they give whole-hearted support to during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan? Ambassador Chester Bowles subsequently laid the groundwork for stated US policy for the future with his famous memo dated May 25, 1965, supporting “democratic” India as a regional power to take on China, even at the expense of Pakistan. The collapse of the Soviet Union saw India starting to change tack. 9/11 allowed them to seize the opportunity to align themselves with the US desire to contain China. India used the “war against terrorism” to successfully label freedom fighters in Kashmir as “terrorists.” The 26/11 Mumbai incident in 2008 reinforced Indian claims that Al-Qaeda had India in its sights along with the US. CNN provides a platform for motivated Indian propaganda. Fareed Zakaria uses this media pulpit to for this.

There is no deep-rooted perfidy in US policy towards Pakistan, as our conspiracy theorists insist on suggesting. It has not changed in half a century. The US economic and military aid to Pakistan is (and always was) on an “as required” basis. We are a platform for their war in Afghanistan and, because of that, a victim of the terror proliferating throughout our heartland. We should learn not to resent realpolitik. India’s vast population makes it commercially more important than us. Even then, it was over violent Indian objections that the US stood its ground in keeping with its prime mission statement to protect US national interests no matter what. One has no reason to question US [resident Obama’s sincerity in believing that the existential threat to Pakistan comes from the terrorists running amok and that we must rid ourselves of the anti-Indian mindset. Unfortunately, the Indian armed forces deployment seems to have escaped US attention, or maybe in pursuit of their national interest they are choosing not to look! We are forced to juggle our priorities and our forces to combat both the threats.

The Indian forces on, or in proximity of, our eastern borders is not a figment of imagination but a real threat to our existence. Deployed to support operations in Siachen and Kargil, the Indian 14 Corps is mainly facing China (an infantry and mountain division each and armoured brigade): (1) 15 Corps facing us in Kashmir has two infantry divisions and an infantry brigade, 16 Corps comprising three infantry divisions and an armour and artillery brigade with 9 Corps having two infantry divisions and three armoured brigades; (2) In Punjab 11 Corps has three infantry divisions and an armoured and mechanised brigade each with 10 Corps having one infantry and three Reorganised Plans Infantry (Rapid) Divisions; (3) Haryana has two (Strike) Corps with one armoured, one rapid and one infantry division with an armoured and engineer brigade each as well as an armoured and engineering brigade; (4) Rajasthan 12 (Desert) Corps having two infantry divisions and an armoured and mechanised brigade each.

Well positioned to swiftly reinforce these forces (already more than three times our conventional strength at maximum stretch) on our borders, the Indians further have (1) 21 (Strike) Corps with an armoured division, a rapid division and infantry division and one artillery, armoured and engineering brigade each; and (2) 1 (Strike) Corps with an infantry division, a mountain division and an armoured division and 21 (Strike) Corps with an armoured division, a rapid division, an infantry division and an armoured, artillery and engineering brigade each. In face of this overwhelming 4:1 superiority, some of our available forces to deter this favourable attack ratio have been redeployed for counter-insurgency (COIN) operations.

Facing Bangladesh and China the Indians have 33 Corps with three mountain divisions, 3 Corps with one infantry and 1 mountain division and 4 Corps with three mountain divisions. Their logistics plans are in place to move another 10-15 percent from their eastern borders to join the 70 percent of their land forces already facing us within 2-3 weeks. With redeployment of their air force’s South-western command paralleling the army deployment, their air capacity has similarly overwhelming numbers.

Carrying out as many as 11 exercises in which 50,000 troops or more have been involved. Why is the Indian military trying so hard to operationalise its “Cold Start” Doctrine (CSD) against Pakistan for the last seven years? According to Masoodur Rahman Khattak, during the past month alone the Indian military concluded the six-day long joint military exercise “Vijayee Bhava” in Bikaner and Suratgarh in the Rajasthan Desert just 70 kilometres from the Pakistani borders. Blitzkrieg-type robust armoured incursions against Pakistan by mechanised and rapid divisions were practiced, emphasising rapid penetration into our territory and testing out their war fighting capability to launch night-time operations. India is placing eight Independent Brigade Groups (IBGs) close to the border with Pakistan to save mobilisation time and is further relocating its Strike Formation headquarters, armoured divisions and armoured brigades from their existing locations in central India and (in depth) in Punjab to forward locations. Having no strategic depth, Pakistan has its deployment close to our borders, the comparatively less time than India to deploy our forces offsets the element of surprise that CSD envisages.

Given the overwhelming numbers of the Indian deployment thereof, Pakistan should be forgiven for maintaining a minimum deterrent. To create a favourable environment maybe the US president could convince the Indians to publicly renounce their CSD option and redeploy even a token of their forces deeper into India. One would certainly like to have India as a friend, only peace can bring prosperity to South Asia. Can the country afford to take an existential gamble on Obama and Mian Nawaz Sharif coincidentally being on the same page with respect to their strategic threat perception that “India is not our enemy”? Can we declare India a “friend” when it persists in behaving as an enemy, and makes no secret about it?

What motive would the terrorists have in destroying Pakistan’s naval eyes and ears capacity? Who is the sole beneficiary of the loss of our P3C-Orions making our navy temporarily deaf and blind? Are we expected to be dumb also?



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TSP's deficit hits a new milestone. From "The News"
Budget deficit to climb over Rs1 trn
Updated 7 hours ago

ISLAMABAD: For the first time in the history of the Islamic Republic the difference between what the government spent over the past twelve months and what the government managed to collect will cross Rs1,000,000,000,000.

Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani in his first speech as prime minister had introduced a number of austerity measures: PM Secretariat’s budget will be cut by a wholesome 40 percent; all ministers will travel economy class; no minister will travel in a car of more than 1600 cc.

On 26 December 2009, PM Gilani had constituted a Special Committee to “prioritize and oversee the implementation process of the austerity measures.” On 21 December 2010, a meeting of the cabinet, presided by PM Gilani, approved “major austerity measures.”

Twelve months ago, our budget drafters had expected net revenue receipts of Rs1.37 trillion and current expenditures of Rs1.99 trillion-the budgetary deficit was set at Rs685 billion. Over the past twelve months, two things have happened: First, current expenditures at the Cabinet Division, the Prime Minister’s Secretariat and the Household Allowances of the President have all gone through the roof. Second, there has been a massive shortfall in revenue receipts.

Twelve months ago, the Government of Pakistan (GOP) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) had agreed on a budget deficit target of around 4 percent of GDP. Over the past twelve months, the GOP has ended up spending in excess of Rs1 trillion over and above its receipts and, as a consequence, the budget deficit may have crossed 7 percent of GDP.

Figure fudging at Block Q of Pak Secretariat, according to some insiders, is now in full swing. If the wizards at the Ministry of Finance can somehow inflate the GDP the budget deficit as a percentage of the GDP will look much, much smaller than it really is. That will be the best of both worlds-we will have a swollen GDP, pumped-up per capita income and a half bearable budgetary deficit. Only if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

At Block Q midnight oil is once again being burnt. Budget 2011-2012 is scheduled to be announced in a week’s time. Once again we will have inflated revenue receipts, a healthy developmental allocation, a constrained steam of expenses and an awfully alluring budgetary deficit. At Block Q the motto is: A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable but more useful than a life spent making real budgets.
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Hnair, In negotiations in international relations there is this rule that no party should be seen to have gained an advantage. The Brits agreed to sell the Princley states down the river once Partition was agreed based tangentially on this rule to compensate for lost British India.


Coming to current issues,
Solving the TSP problem is percived by US and West as India's gain.

The US wants India to pay up (give Kashmir and sign the NPT) to solve the TSP problem which they created. Uneven Cohen, Perkovich and his ilk push this line

India says no way as they (West- jihadification and China- nukes) created the problem and they have to solve it.

And won't fight the TSP despite provocation to solve the mess others created.
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I wouldnt read much into the Chinese "Expressing surprise". They are known to be calm and quiet until after the fact (as opposed to the Pakis who want to trumpet to the whole world what they are upto). Gwadar makes sense for the Chinese along many dimensions including Gives a way of integrating Afghanistan into the Paki economy, through import/exports. And listening stations and servicing for their subs/ships that are likely to patrol the gulf. Also a way for their navy to project power in this area.

Chinese on the other hand are not like Unkil to send a sackful of cash across (which the Pakis eat, complain, whine and wh0re themselves to someone else). They want something to be done by the Pakis too. Effort at security, some effort at kick starting the economy so the port actually becomes useful, etc. They are simply not going to "take it and run it" and give Pakis a pile of cash for the (percieved) Paki favor.

So look at this as a delicate dance by the Chinese admonishing Pakis about going to town about *future* plans and also goading Pakis to pull up their socks.
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ramana wrote:
And won't fight the TSP despite provocation to solve the mess others created.
End result is a global economic paralysis and will result in break of the international agreement built from WWI

Then a new era will start with Asian countries also part of the global regime.
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^^ Interesting - I saw a program on BC newsnight which interviewed the former UK Af-Pak special representative. He said US and UK finally realise that the problem is not Afghanistan but it is Pakistan. So they (US) want to talk to Talebs. Pull out and then deal with Pak.
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P3C attack is most likely by the "Good" Pakistan navy (read "pious") against the "Bad" Pakistan navy (read "whiskey swilling").

The aircraft should not be seen "anti-India" as much as it should have been seen as "Most prized possession of the base" and "Symbol of co-operation with Unkil". If there was a Khushboo which was the most prized possession of the base, it would have been killed. There is no India angle here. The fault with Paki commentators asking such questions as: "Why would they attack a purely anti-India weapon" makes a faulty underlying assumption that the attackers were patriotic in the first place! which is a pile of nandi droppings because patriotic Pakis would not attack Pakistani markets or their armed forces in the first place!

The Yahoos who attacked were sending a message to the Jernails that "We will get in and blow up your most valued possession and you cant do anything about it". Marriott, Onions, GHQ, doesnt matter.

Paki armed forces on the other hand -- to use a tam expression -- are like a thief stung by a scorpion. They cant come out and say that a bunch of fellows are splitting.

We should look deeper what is it that the Paki navy is upto that is causing the pious so much takleef that they are taking special care to blow them up?
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I think the Yahoos were concerned about bad breath which is why they fried only 2 out of the 4 neatly placed Onions
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shyamd wrote:^^ Interesting - I saw a program on BC newsnight which interviewed the former UK Af-Pak special representative. He said US and UK finally realise that the problem is not Afghanistan but it is Pakistan. So they (US) want to talk to Talebs. Pull out and then deal with Pak.
My! and it took them that long to figure out that the 'bad guys' are in Pakistan and that they are wasting their treasure and blood in Afghanistan?

These are the realpolitik guys?

IMHO, the real secret debate now is over two options:

1. Throw money at Pakistan and curry favor :) so they don't set off a JDAM that kills people in the West
2. Denuke Pakistan before it gets too many 'tactical nukes' that can wind up anywhere (including Beijing)

Obama probably has commissioned a plan for #2 and the debate is probably raging right now in the west wing. Mullen is retiring and Dempsey is slated to be the next CJCS. His vote will be key. Some research on his leanings in Iraq could provide a clue.

Obama is carefully weighing Afghan withdrawal promise, OBL2 and de-nuking against 2012 run.

With Palin in (assumed) and the Ryan medicare blowback, I suspect Obama just ordered the new curtains...
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^^^
They targetted only one onion. The other parked next to it caught fire too. If the Pakis really wanted to destroy the onions, they would have shot all 4! This was not about frying onions, this was about showing the Jernails who the daddy is.
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Anujan wrote:^^^
They targetted only one onion. The other parked next to it caught fire too. If the Pakis really wanted to destroy the onions, they would have shot all 4! This was not about frying onions, this was about showing the Jernails who the daddy is.
So who's yo (opinion) daddy? :)
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Cosmo_R,
Now those rants on Obama-Lugar make sense. The Pakis realise that a deal has been offered behind the scenes and killing OBL was trailer for the bigger heist of TSP nukes yet to come. They know the script. It will be mix of carrot and stick to operate on TSP donkey hopefully at wrong ends.
All this angst is because they know Operation Nanga Baba is underway.

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Anujan , The article said first onion fried, the lights went out and RR squad came out & got shot-up. Next second onion fried and they went into the bldg. Eventually all killed. Seige over. Not the pain.
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I encourage people to wwatch the Jeremy Paxman interview of Mussharaf in newsnight. There is a question on Paki nuclear blackmail. Watch musshy's reaction.
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ramanaji, concur

anujanullah, thou art right. Good bakis made toast out of one onion and their very cerebral forensic dept must have tried to find out "flame propagation rates" by lighting up the one right next to it. Just to know the time taken for the crime.

FYI, they had just completed Chapter1 of Baker Street for Dummies book that Moosieur Lestrade left behind after Benazir's investigations 8)
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shyamd wrote:I encourage people to wwatch the Jeremy Paxman interview of Mussharaf in newsnight. There is a question on Paki nuclear blackmail. Watch musshy's reaction.
It says not available in your area. What is Musshy's reaction?
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shyamd wrote:I encourage people to wwatch the Jeremy Paxman interview of Mussharaf in newsnight. There is a question on Paki nuclear blackmail. Watch musshy's reaction.
Shyamji, i tried googling it but couldn't find any links where mushrat talks to paxman about newclear detergent, the only link i found was this and here they are discussing OBL - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/n ... 496928.stm
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kumarn wrote:
Rajiv Lather wrote:I must admit, just as the yanks had promised us before we signed the nuclear deal, the stage 3 is well on its way. It seems they are going to go through with it this time.
What is the promised stage 3, Sir?
Rajivji, i am also interested in knowing what the promised 3rd stage is?
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ramana, Acharya and other Gurus:
Can you give me some pointers to the Blunt Project you refer to regarding Anatol Levin?
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Shaashtanga wrote:
shyamd wrote:I encourage people to wwatch the Jeremy Paxman interview of Mussharaf in newsnight. There is a question on Paki nuclear blackmail. Watch musshy's reaction.
Shyamji, i tried googling it but couldn't find any links where mushrat talks to paxman about newclear detergent, the only link i found was this and here they are discussing OBL - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/n ... 496928.stm
That's probably because the link above is just over a minute. Here is the full interview...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13549816
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VikramS wrote:ramana, Acharya and other Gurus:
Can you give me some pointers to the Blunt Project you refer to regarding Anatol Levin?
VikramS, Wilfrid Scawen Blunt was English official, scholar etc who studied Islamic people in 1890s and worte a book "Future of Islam". In it he essentially suggests that in order to dethorne the Ottomons, the English should promote Punjabi Mulims as a new leader class to take over the ummah and they would be beholden to the Queen (i.e the Anglo-Saxon West). This was all before oil was found in Middle East. You should be able to download a pdf of it. Lawrence support for Arabs against the Turks was result of his studies.

Read it and think about the history of Middle East from World War I and see how it all fits.
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The more pious are simply trying to take over a running company, Pakistan; they are not planning to build one from scratch.
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ramana:
Thanks, Google helped me find this book by Blunt
http://www.carrefourspirituel.comxa.com ... 0Islam.pdf

Neither India, then, nor Western Africa can reasonably be expected to supply that substitute for the House of Othman which we need
The Mussulmans of Delhi and the Punjab would no doubt desire a resumption by themselves of practical authority in the country where they were till lately masters; but they are conscious that they are not strong enough now to effect this, and their feeling towards English rule is certainly less bitter than towards the Hindoos, their former subjects, now their rivals. Were they in any way specially protected in their religious interests by the Indian Government, they would, I am confident, make not only contented but actively loyal subjects
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:lol:
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Anybody calling Pakis to be "extremely talented" is passing gas. :lol:
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