Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 27 May 2011 22:37

shiv wrote:
Rajiv Lather wrote:Watched Hillary on tv - Pakistan is in trouble. Her speech was matter-of-fact, straight-talking 'do as we say or else...'
Just wonder if the bin Laden disks have thrown up trouble for Packees.

The contents of those discs will probably be never discussed in public forums but be used for negotiating with the packies to do unmentionable stuff.

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 May 2011 22:46

Carl wrote:Its "Peter Lee" again

China drops the Gwadar hot potato

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/ME28Ad01.html

^^ Decent article except for some minor barfs ( still tolerable compared to the prev article on India and Afg) :

Their motives are rather transparent - unless one believes that ardent support of Balochi independence can be reconciled with utter neglect of the aspirations of that other land of the dispossessed, the one that happens to be administered by India: Kashmir.

But, the interesting thing:

That leaves the second alternative: Pakistan is relieved of its Islamist extremist problem by shedding its border regions - and

its militants - through some internationally imposed disassociation, something that is, with a straight face, referred to as "peaceful Balkanization".

A notorious map published by Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters in the Armed Forces Journal in 2006 provided a picture of what a Balkanized Pakistan would look like.

Independent Balochistan would be a sizable rectangle composed of about 50% of current Pakistani territory - and a sizable chunk of Iran. For good measure, Peters envisioned Pakistan losing its Pashtun west to a muscled-up Afghanistan and dwindling to a narrow territory on either side of the Indus River. [12]

For the Obama administration, the attractions of presiding over the dismemberment of Pakistan have taken a back seat to obtaining the help of its security and military apparatus in finding a way out of the Afghan mess.

However, as the United States looks to wind down its involvement in Afghanistan and has less incentive to overlook Pakistan's inadequacies as an ally, the "let Pakistan go down the drain" faction may get a more favorable hearing.

The Balochistan independence movement is ready to assist.

The Baloch Conference of North America held a meeting in Washington at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace on April 30, 2011. It issued a declaration describing the horrors of the Pakistani occupation.

In February, before a Chinese-built naval base at Gwadar was even a glint in Ahmed Mukhtar's eye, Selig Harrison sounded the twin clarions of Balochi independence and the "war on terror" in an op-ed in the National Interest:

[T]he United States should do more to support anti-Islamist forces along the southern Arabian Sea coast. First, it should support anti-Islamist Sindhi leaders of the Sufi variant of Islam with their network of 124,000 shrines. Most important, it should aid the 6 million Baluch insurgents fighting for independence from Pakistan in the face of growing ISI repression. Pakistan has given China a base at Gwadar in the heart of Baluch territory. So an independent Balochistan would serve US strategic interests in addition to the immediate goal of countering Islamist forces. [14]

Great Game On!

Looks like judgement day for TSP ( in its current form) is fast approaching, going by the number of different authors mentioning the B(aloch)-word!!!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 May 2011 22:48

BijuShet wrote:
anupmisra wrote:
A page or two earlier. Sehgal has bitter memories of the hospitality his hosts (Indian Army) had shown him after the '71 war. He is reminded of it everytime he visits pakhanistan.
Look here : http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1097925

thx.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 May 2011 22:51

^ I liked the opening statement of that article the most

The occasion of Pakistan Prime Minister Yusuf Gilani's official visit to China was an opportunity for both parties to stake a claim to a post-United States future as the closest of allies, with a shared commitment to a stabilized Afghanistan and recovering Pakistan.

The failed terrorist state of Pakistan and the Paranoid Republic of China are planning the post-USA future.

All this is done while begging for more aid and business from USA.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 May 2011 22:51

Watch for 6th fleet and BLA. US is not going to let this happen. Apparently roads connecting TSP are being accelerated construction. Aim is to get them ready for mid 2012. PRC think this is their chance to get their energy without the US/India being able to checkmate them as currently and play a part in GCC issues.

Unkil thinks KSA paid for the 50 JF17s. TSP said PRC paid for it in credit.

Today 45 Congressmen handed letters to BO of support for US to sell 40 or 50 F solahs to Taiwan (one of the largest show of support). Mashaallah.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 27 May 2011 22:55

RamaY wrote:The failed terrorist state of Pakistan and the Paranoid Republic of China are planning the post-USA future.

The future of the region (nay, the world) is in safe hands.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 May 2011 22:57

VikramS wrote:UnFair is used to shape public opinion in the MSM. She also testifies on the Hill. The number of people who actually read those insulting posts is very small. However those insulting posts do the following:

-> Create an impression of sore Indians in the minds of the less informed.
-> Diminish the mind-share of the counter-message which others are trying to put forward
-> Reinforce UnFair's Paki' behavior since it gets her attention; Paki behavior is not useful if it does not get attention.

So please do not make it personal. Keep the rebuttal focussed on the message you want to counter.

Personal attacks has to be a part of the mix, just remember to use American sounding handles for her! It is ok to call her a terrorist b*tch, but it should be john doe calling her that, and not Madhusudhan Gupta!

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 27 May 2011 23:06

Someone, please post a grab/photo from today's delegation level meeting between Khan and TSP showing Kiyanahi. His body language is priceless and it deserves to appear here.
I have not been able to find the video so far (saw on TV).

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 27 May 2011 23:14

wikileaks

2008: General Kayani transfers ‘recalcitrant’ Taj
http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/27/2008-gen ... t-taj.html

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 27 May 2011 23:35

Rangudu wrote:Does anyone have a link to the Hillary/Mullen press conference in TSP? Thanks

some of the videos
QnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRMK79Nvky0

Mullen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OYUSzYdTv8

Hillary on Osama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlVREnxbQHg

report about the visit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT9tAknocDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fTyVJEmBug

got to hand it to those who upload these pakistani talk shows, pressers and serials - neatly cropped out the adverts & uploaded almost immediately

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 May 2011 23:38

Indian RAPE dorkette Bakara Dudd is by her own admission an avid Economist reader. Perhaphs that gives her one up over other Delhi socialites. She points the fallacies in what the Economist rag says, namely, India must hand over Kashmir to TSP to win the so called GWOT, albeit in as benign a tones as is possible. If I were given column space, I would have asked UK to correct all the colonial wrongs: creation of Israel, creating Al Queda etc to appease "global terrorists" just as India is being asked to appease "regional terrorists" who are US/UK's allies in the war against "global terrorists". But in any case, she finally reverts back to her inner Paki self

That India must continue to engage with Pakistan is unquestionable. In these dangerous times, the moderate voices in Pakistan cannot afford to be marginalised any further. A continuing dialogue between Delhi and Islamabad gives them some breathing space and room for self-assertion. Also, distasteful gloating at terror attacks in Pakistan only feeds into the paranoia of fundamentalists on the other side of the border and helps construct the mythology of India as enemy No.1 Indian officials have long believed that there are “many Pakistans”. And we must weigh in on the side that is fighting the extremists.

Only sonmeone with Paki instincts will tell you that when it comes to India, there are moderates in TSP, when the reality is that a moderate Paki is one who drinks scothch, dates western bimbos like Christine Fair and pro-TSP Indian dorkettes like Bakara, but sends in their pigLeTs to slaughter Indians.

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 27 May 2011 23:52

Sam wrote:Motrama aka motormouth Clinton shreds Pakistani dignity

[youtube]nYQrsxMye8Q&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

this is from last summer but still it was a tight slap on the stupid puki reporters face who brought up "humiliating language in bill" - Hillary snapped and said ÿou don't have to take it then"........ why cant the puki's understand that beggars cant be choosers..... this sense of entitlement amongst puki RAPES is beyond comparison...... Land of the Pure is really a nakhrewali whore that keeps titillating unkil and the other 3.5's

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 May 2011 23:59

And the interesting thing is that despite all that tough talk, when US is actually thratning to cut off aid post OBL raid, TSP is begging not to do that.

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 28 May 2011 00:05

CRamS wrote:And the interesting thing is that despite all that tough talk, when US is actually thratning to cut off aid post OBL raid, TSP is begging not to do that.

Puki RAPE & TSPA are always salivating for US & other aid.... only the mango Abdul keeps screaming we don't want US or any other aid coz they get none of it..... i think all the mango abduls of Pak whether they are punjabi / sindhi / balochi / pashto shud start an armed rebellion and Qadri-fy the whole rape class and defense top brass.... but that can only happen after they stop drinking the green colored kool aid....

saip · Post by **saip** » 28 May 2011 00:10

Just saw on the CNN that 25 got their 72. Taliban claiming credit. Is this a new one or old IED. We should have some kind of designation for these so there is no duplication like a library designations.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 28 May 2011 00:12

Pakistan shuts down U.S. 'intelligence fusion' cells (LA Times)

The liaison centers, also known as intelligence fusion cells, in Quetta and Peshawar are the main conduits for the United States to share satellite imagery, target data and other intelligence with Pakistani ground forces conducting operations against militants, including Taliban fighters who slip into Afghanistan to attack U.S. and allied forces.

U.S. special operations units have relied on the three facilities, two in Peshawar and one in Quetta, to help coordinate operations on both sides of the border, senior U.S. officials said. The U.S. units are now being withdrawn from all three sites, the officials said, and the centers are being shut down.

The Pakistani decision has not affected the CIA's ability to launch missiles from drone aircraft in northwest Pakistan. Those flights, which the CIA has never publicly acknowledged, receive assistance from Pakistan through intelligence channels separate from the fusion centers, current and former officials said.

Javed Hussain, a retired Pakistani brigadier, blamed the decision to close the three intelligence centers on the mistrust that has plagued U.S.-Pakistani relations in recent months... "There is lot of discontent within Pakistan's armed forces with regard to the fact they've done so much in the war on terror, and yet they are not trusted," Hussain said. "Particularly after the Abbottabad raid … the image of the armed forces in the eyes of the people has gone down. And they hold the U.S. responsible."

The closures have effectively stopped the U.S. training of the Frontier Corps, a force that American officials had hoped could help halt infiltration of Taliban and other militants into Afghanistan, a senior U.S. military officer said.

Pakistani authorities have agreed to allow a CIA team to inspect the compound where Bin Laden was killed, according to a U.S. official. The Pakistanis have signaled they will allow U.S. intelligence analysts to examine documents and other material that Pakistani authorities found at the site.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 28 May 2011 00:16

saip wrote:Just saw on the CNN that 25 got their 72. Taliban claiming credit...

The 786th Taliban squadron of Fizzle-ya is indeed responsible... AoA!

Pakistan air force kills 23 militants in northwest (AP)

PARACHINAR, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistani fighter jets pounded militant hide-outs in the country's northwestern on Friday, killing 23 suspected insurgents, a government official said.

Local government official Javed Khan said the attacks targeted insurgents in the Orakzai and Kurram tribal regions close to neighboring Afghanistan. The jets also destroyed some anti-aircraft guns positioned on high ground, he said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 May 2011 00:23

shravan wrote:wikileaks

2008: General Kayani transfers ‘recalcitrant’ Taj
http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/27/2008-gen ... t-taj.html

What good is that?

All ISI heads are recalcitrant!!!

Even Kiyani when he was in charge of ISI.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 28 May 2011 00:28

PCB not positive anymore regarding return of International Cricket to Pakistan (Bettor.com)

On the condition of anonymity, a senior PCB official said that the situation is quite hopeless at the moment for PCB. Whenever they try to convince any country to visit Pakistan, something new happens which destroys all the hard work.

He said, "There is nothing much we can do in the existing circumstances, except keep on trying to convince teams to come to Pakistan. Before the Osama bin Laden incident we were pretty confident that we could convince the Sri Lankans to at least play a few matches of their series in Pakistan this year."

“But that has changed in the last few weeks. This only meant fresh concerns for other boards about sending their teams to Pakistan. We are now looking at both options for the Sri Lankan series. Either we go and play in Sri Lanka or host the matches in Dubai and Abu Dhabi once again," he added.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 28 May 2011 00:29

harbans wrote:Ok so 3 options after the CCTV wire cut off are like:

1. TTP with PN insider operation. (Pure quadrification and Jihad against less pious)

2. ISI with PN insider operation. (To do ==/ victimhood/ attention away from OBL embarassmet)

3. ISI with PN insider operation. (To get US tech maal to Chinese)

What's wrong with the SSS theory....or is it too far fetched.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 28 May 2011 00:44

After GUBOing to Hillary this week, Kiyani is singing a new tune. From "100% of Pakistan Armed Forces are 400% with America In War Against Terror" it has changed to:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pak ... story.html

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 May 2011 00:55

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/28/world ... 1&ref=asia

The meeting between Clinton sahiba and Pakis seem to have gone off badly. She made a statement that she has *absolutely no evidence* that people in Paki government sheltered OBL and then added that US looks for specific action (not elaborated) against specific individuals (not named) for things they did (not revealed what).

If I may be indulged: Unkil gave a dossier to the Pakis on list of people who send goats & biriyanis to OBL. The stick is that Unkil will GUBO Pakistanis without vaseline next time. The carrot is that Unkil promises to not accuse Paki government directly if these people are caught. I dont think that it is a co-incidence that the news of OBL thinking of asking asylum in Pakistan was leaked just before Clinton sahiba's visit**

Giving chumma and pretending nobody in Government knew suits US and Pakistan (for now).

**People as "important" as OBL dont entertain such ideas unless "feelers" have been sent to them, or some intermediary assured him that such an arrangement is possible.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 28 May 2011 01:14

From the CS Monitor

Follow the Money: Should the US Cut Aid to Pakistan?

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Sou ... o-Pakistan

An interesting look at the way the debate is sought to be framed for the mango American. The discovery of OBL in Abbotabad has made it necessary to frame a narrative of Pakistan's role in GOAT for the benefit of the mango American, who never cared about US-Pakistan relations before.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 28 May 2011 02:35

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/fo ... stan_n.htm

Pakistan needs a Marshall Plan (Why did she misspell martial?)

The comments on this article do not need any help from BR.

USA Today is as main stream as it gets. The message is getting through to the Mango Joe.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 28 May 2011 02:54

Anujan wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/28/world ... 1&ref=asia

The meeting between Clinton sahiba and Pakis seem to have gone off badly. She made a statement that she has *absolutely no evidence* that people in Paki government sheltered OBL and then added that US looks for specific action (not elaborated) against specific individuals (not named) for things they did (not revealed what).
...

So what she basically said was that the people in govt(civilian govt) didn't know about OBL in their backyard, but others (army/ISI) knew about it

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 May 2011 03:02

VikramS wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/fo ... stan_n.htm

Pakistan needs a Marshall Plan (Why did she misspell martial?)

Many unintended lulz in the article

After World War II, the Marshall Plan spent $49.06 per capita in Greece and $30.02 in Italy. Today, the per capita U.S. assistance to Pakistan, adjusted for inflation, is only $7.90. {Look at the sense of entitlement! Also conveniently forgetting greece population circa WWII was ~7 million. Paki population is > 180 million, which is 2500% higher}

That's a dramatic 400% less than the Marshall Plan's assistance to Italy.

And let us be clear: The long-term stakes to world peace are as great or greater in South and Central Asia today as in Europe at the end of the 1940s. {So "South Asia" will implode if Pakis are not given Baksheesh? Last I checked, Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, Nepal were doing just fine! Maybe the money that is being spent on Pakistan should be given to Myanmar instead}

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 May 2011 03:19

Not only that, what a bunch of pathological liars, talking about taking on terrorists, when just a few years ago, they would even deny the existance of any terrorists. It would be interesting to highlight the views of TSP RAPE on terrorism prior to 9/11 with these kinds of bold-faced lies today

We are all aware that U.S. aid alone will not get the job done. For its part, Pakistan's elected government has mobilized the entire nation, at great political cost, against extremist ideology and terrorist organizations

Oh really? Lets see evidence of that prior to 9/11, leave aside the janus-faced double dealing post 9/11 when they had to gubo.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 28 May 2011 03:41

Comment on the USA Today article about the Martial Race needing a Marshall Plan

I hope we are not going to borrow more money from China to give to Pakistan! Let Pakistan borrow direct from China.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 May 2011 03:48

where is the comments section in that USA today piece?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 28 May 2011 04:22

So what she basically said was that the people in govt(civilian govt) didn't know about OBL in their backyard, but others (army/ISI) knew about it

Another qualifier " the highest level in civilian government" onlee.. and she did clarify that ..(something to the effect) "Pakis themselves said that 'some one somewhere [did] knew"

Meanwhile also note the exact words which made the headlines in dawn...

Pakistan should understand that anti-Americanism and conspiracy theories will not make the problem disappear,

Anti-Americanism will not end Pakistan’s problems: Clinton

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 May 2011 04:34

I did my part:

This article is written solely with the purpose of misinforming and misleading the American public whose tax money is being wasted in Pakistan.

1. Nowhere does the author acknowledge past misdeeds of Pakistan, which include supporting the taliban in Afghanistan and denying vehemently that terrorists were sheltered, trained and launched form Pakistan.

2. There is ample evidence to believe that this has not ceased. Pakistani refusal to crack down in tribal areas produces people like Faisal Shahzad (the failed times square bomber). Pakistani support to various Jihahids (including the Haqqani network) is directly responsible for the deaths of American soldiers.

3. Bin Laden was either actively sheltered *with* the knowledge of Pakistani government, or to take a charitable view, Pakistanis never really cared to capture him -- despite $20 billion of taxpayer money (that we know of). After his capture, there is no real attempt to find out if the intelligence agencies or the army colluded to shelter him. Everyone has gone into a CYA mode.

4. I wish to ask Farahnaz Ispahani why American taxpayers should pay for Pakistan, when Pakistan has one of the smallest tax bases in the world, with the elites refusing to tax the rich. Even IMF canceled its program because structural reforms in the economy -- including very basic attempts at taxation -- were not implemented.

In short, she is asking for American taxpayer money for a country which has sheltered America's enemy no 1, has neither remorse nor taken corrective action to determine who sheltered him, is training and financing terrorists who kill American servicemen, causing instability in Afghanistan using taliban proxies and refuses to take the very basic steps shore up its own economy.

I wish to ask "Why?"

Farahnaz Ispahani seems to threaten that if the world doesnt pay the ransom, "South Asia" and "Central Asia" will pay the price in the form of more attacks form terrorists trained in Pakistan.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 28 May 2011 05:32

Lalmohan wrote:if the americans wanted to destroy their aircraft, they would have had 'mysterious' fires or accidents or crashes... why all the hoopla of a terror attack? after all american techs and forces personel have been operating on pak bases since the 1950's

will be interesting to see how long the al jabbars in the US awaiting maintenance to come back to pakistan

Exactly what i said in my earlier post. It is ridiculous to think this was an American sponsored attack to destroy there own equipment. If that was indeed their intention, there are tons of other ways to yank paki balls without having to resort to such tactics. It is just either of the 2 a) Pakis attacked their own base to display how fragile their nukes are to keep the money from west flowing. b) AQ/TTP with the help of sympathizers in PN did it. Nothing in between and definitely not India ! "Mr.Brandy Bose" loves watching kirkit matches only!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2011 06:30

RajeshA wrote:This attack happened after 2200 hours when perhaps the 24/7 monitoring was not so attentive. Secondly there were many Chinese technicians on the premises.

Rajesh, many reports spoke of 6 Americans also apart from 11 Chinese.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2011 06:38

RamaY wrote:The failed terrorist state of Pakistan and the Paranoid Republic of China are planning the post-USA future.

RamaY, I would change the adjectives as follows: 'The Failed and Paranoid State of Pakistan' and the 'Greedy PRC'. Nobody is more paranoid (at least that is the excuse) than Pakistan. PRC is not paranoid, it just wants to grab everything for itself, land, resources, power, money, just about anything from anybody or anywhere.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2011 06:43

Muppalla wrote:Jia-ul-Haq's death and Mehren attack are similar. The real perpetrators will never comeout. It will remain just as internal sabotage for records.

Muppalla, in TSP, no 'real perpetrators' or no 'real causes' are ever found out. From Jinnah's death, to Mehran.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 May 2011 06:48

cross post

krisna wrote:
http://pragmatic.nationalinterest.in/20 ... vis-a-vis/

for pakilurkers viewing pleasure onlee.

India's population is 6.7 times bigger than that of Pakhanastan
India's GDP is 8 times bigger
But India's standing army is only 2 times bigger

Pakistan has 1 soldier for every 327 Pakis
India has 1 soldier for every 1100 Indians

Add to that various unofficial militias of the type who attacked PNS Mehran and you have a highly militarised society.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 May 2011 07:08

I was reading recently that debt servicing and armed forces take away 85% of govt expenditure now . that leaves 15% for development and stealing.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 28 May 2011 07:08

This is an excellent long article...quite accurate in its predictions.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=25009

Any body heard of RAMA "Research and Analysis Milli Afghanistan", which is discussed in the article.

He also stated that part of the reason for going into Afghanistan was “to go for Pakistan’s nuclear capability,” as the U.S. “signed this strategic deal with India, and this was brokered by Israel. So there is a nexus now between Washington, Tel Aviv, and New Delhi.” When he was asked about the Pakistani Taliban, which the Pakistani government was being pressured to fight, and where the financing for that group came from; Gul stated:

Yeah, of course they are getting it from across the Durand line, from Afghanistan. And the Mossad is sitting there, RAW is sitting there — the Indian intelligence agency — they have the umbrella of the U.S. And now they have created another organization which is called RAMA. It may be news to you that very soon this intelligence agency — of course, they have decided to keep it covert — but it is Research and Analysis Milli Afghanistan. That’s the name. The Indians have helped create this organization, and its job is mainly to destabilize Pakistan.[34]

He explained that the Chief of Staff of the Afghan Army had told him that he had gone to India to offer the Indians five bases in Afghanistan, three of which are along the Pakistani border. Gul was asked a question as to why, if the West was supporting the TTP (Pakistani Taliban), would a CIA drone have killed the leader of the TTP. Gul explained that while Pakistan was fighting directly against the TTP leader, Baitullah Mehsud, the Pakistani government would provide the Americans where Mehsud was, “three times the Pakistan intelligence tipped off America, but they did not attack him.” So why all of a sudden did they attack?

Because there were some secret talks going on between Baitullah Mehsud and the Pakistani military establishment. They wanted to reach a peace agreement, and if you recall there is a long history of our tribal areas, whenever a tribal militant has reached a peace agreement with the government of Pakistan, Americans have without any hesitation struck that target.

... there was some kind of a deal which was about to be arrived at — they may have already cut a deal. I don’t know. I don’t have enough information on that. But this is my hunch, that Baitullah was killed because now he was trying to reach an agreement with the Pakistan army. And that’s why there were no suicide attacks inside Pakistan for the past six or seven months.[35]

An article in one of Canada’s national magazines, Macleans, reported on an interview with a Pakistani ISI spy, who claimed that India’s intelligence services, Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), have “tens of thousands of RAW agents in Pakistan.” Many officials inside Pakistan were convinced that, “India’s endgame is nothing less than the breakup of Pakistan. And the RAW is no novice in that area. In the 1960s, it was actively involved in supporting separatists in Bangladesh, at the time East Pakistan. The eventual victory of Bangladeshi nationalism in 1971 was in large part credited to the support the RAW gave the secessionists.”[36]

Further, there were Indian consulates set up in Kandahar, the area of Afghanistan where Canadian troops are located, and which is strategically located next to the Pakistani province of Baluchistan, which is home to a virulent separatist movement, of which Pakistan claims is being supported by India. Macleans reported on the conclusions by Michel Chossudovsky, economics professor at University of Ottawa, that, “the region’s massive gas and oil reserves are of strategic interest to the U.S. and India. A gas pipeline slated to be built from Iran to India, two countries that already enjoy close ties, would run through Baluchistan. The Baluch separatist movement, which is also active in Iran, offers an ideal proxy for both the U.S. and India to ensure their interests are met.”[37]

Even an Afghan government adviser told the media that India was using Afghan territory to destabilize Pakistan.[38] In September of 2009, the Pakistan Daily reported that captured members and leaders of the Pakistani Taliban have admitted to being trained and armed by India through RAW or RAMA in Afghanistan in order to fight the Pakistani Army.[39]

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 28 May 2011 07:10

RajeshA wrote:Personal attacks has to be a part of the mix, just remember to use American sounding handles for her! It is ok to call her a terrorist b*tch, but it should be john doe calling her that, and not Madhusudhan Gupta!

People tend to use the personal attack as a means to ignore the reasoned attack. If after every nonsense article and interview Fair is met with a quiet logical rebuttal highlighting the fallacy in her reasoning, she will come to dread it. Personal attack permits her to become angry, feel victimized, courageous for keeping on speaking in face of personal attacks, etc.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 28 May 2011 07:15

Any discussion with content from globalresearch.ca is about as useful as discussing jihadi threats with Digvijay Singh. I wonder what is with this increasing conspiratorial bent here. In life, more often than not - things are what they appear to be.