Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 May 2011 19:15

From the Tribune article a few posts up:

He was earlier arrested after a blast in Faisalabad on March 8, which killed 25 people and injured over 130. However, he was released under mysterious circumstances.

The new normal is..'after a blast that killed 25'. People don't even remember. And the it's becoming normal to release these guys arrested. Possible the Police do something ad the ISI gets them released at a later date. Even the GHQ guy arrested was released earlier. Kashmiri too was released it seems, the UK paki terrorist Raut too was mysteriously released. This is a banana republic really.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 28 May 2011 19:18

ramana wrote:All,
Looks like terrorist attacks in TSP are so normal that we didn't open a new thread for PNS Mehran attack!

Its the new normal in TSP!!!

As far as I can remember no body even requested! We have arrived at new base line when it comes to terrorist attacks in Pakistan.
What would it require for BRF to have a separate thread for a terror attack in Pakistan?
300 killed? A sehwag triple hundred?
or 500 not out by Brain Lara?

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 28 May 2011 19:19

Folks,
The best and highest level of military training in Pakistan is given to their spec. forces and not everyone will endure very high level of training or the whole army would be special forces. And we all are familiar about how well trained the general Pak_Is-Satan army is. Down hill skiing, the many episodes in NWFP are testimonies of how tough these folks are.

The Laskar -E-Tayiba are not trained in some specialized camps in Mars where the instructors and the level of training is out of this world special. They are trained by Paki instructors. Not all of them are spec.ops level but probably at infantry level training.

Considering how well trained, tough and professional are the PA, we can deduce that the LET is probably just about at that same level as the PA. Considering how good the PA is at down hill skiing, we can deduce that the LET could not be too far behind. They would have attained down hill skiing skills too.

Someone mentioned that the PA is run like a Mafioso organization with the myriad of business enterprises and money generating schemes scattered all over the country. This alludes to corruption. Now, for all the myth attributed to it, the ISI is still part of the PA. They cannot escape from the corruption virus spreading into them. Its just natural part of general scheme of things. Since, the LET is the protege of the ISI, they too are not immune to corruption and other related rot because they are just another arm of the PA. Another arm of a Mafioso outfit. Since we all know how well organized, how tough and how well trained the PA...we can safely assume that the LET cannot be better or worse than the PA.

In another words....the LET is not invincible. They are just another criminal outfit trying to punch above their weight and not doing it well either. Otherwise, countless more Indian soldiers would be dying in JnK and lots more bombings would be taking place in India.

Some lap it up about how powerful they are and another picks that up. Then another picks that up and another picks that up as gospel and then Christine Fair or Steven Cohen picks that up thinking that it is an authoritative statement. And the LET gets falsely projected as some larger than life outfit with tentacles in every corner of the world. If their global networks exits...they are all Pakistanis. Looking at the fruit sellers, street vendors and taxi drivers of Pak origin in NYC....I can safely asses how good and tough their skinny legged, bearded wimpy looking jihadi must be. They don't scare this SDRE Jew one bit. I can kick their a$$ anytime anywhere.
Avram

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 28 May 2011 19:22

We want Pakistan and its nukes, says Taliban

Declaring that "Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear power state," Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan said that his group had no intention of changing the fact, the Wall Street Journal reported. The Taliban, after all, aim to take over Pakistan and its weapons, he said.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 May 2011 19:26

I mean what sort of questions was Goyal and Tejinder asking? I doubt some of these reporters even understand whats going on. I met the Taliban..plain stupid. From this meaningless talk, one line will be squeezed to make a headline in TOI. Basic analytical ability is missing.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 28 May 2011 19:34

arun wrote:Inevitable.

An organisation that adopts a motto of “Iman Taqwa Jihad Fi Sabilillah” or translated “Faith, Piety and Jihad in Path of Allah”, as the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has done, is fertile ground for infiltration by Jihadi Islamic Terrorists of the Un-uniformed variety.

The Washington Post :

Pakistan’s top military officials are worried about militant collaborators in their ranks

Image from washingtonpost claims soldiers are firing on attackers

Actually that pic is from Kharotabad massacre of 4 Chechen men and a pregnant woman who are being killed and their valuables looted.

These screen-grabs are from the video shot during the massacre and published by dawn news
SLOW sign, sandbags at the checkpost are clearly visible for a comparative analysis of both pics

detailed coverage of that incident for those interested
http://tribune.com.pk/story/174153/khar ... m-corpses/

http://tribune.com.pk/story/172557/chec ... shot-dead/

http://tribune.com.pk/story/173608/khar ... ssertions/

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 May 2011 19:41

Meanwhile, away and far far away from the maddening crowds of the teeming plains of pakjabistan, comes another breaking news. Bollywood Acress Veena Malik attacked in Pakistan.

Initial reports last week said that famed Pakistani-turned-India actress Veena Malik was involved in a simple car crash on the highway between Islamabad and Lahore. Now the full story is coming out.

Noted Pakistani actress Veena Malik, who confronted an Islamic cleric in a live debate on Pakistani television early this year, was injured when the car she was riding in was attacked while travelling from the Pakistani capital of Islamabad to Lahore on the night of May 16, 2011.

In recent years, she has hosted television shows on Pakistani and Indian television channels, becoming a household name across Pakistan and India...

Really!!? Hosted Indian TV shows? Household name across India? Also, please note the wajib-ul-cattle dress Ms. Malik is sporting. Looks like this was part of the same make up session with an "SDRE" make-up artist?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 May 2011 19:43

David Coleman Headley, prime accused in the Mumbai case, on Thursday said that he wanted to cultivate filmmaker Mahesh Bhatt's son Rahul Bhatt as an ISI agent. Speaking before a Chicago court during questioning by Rana's attorney Patrick W Blegan, Headley also said that Tahawwur Hussain Rana, Mumbai attacks co-accused, had an ambitious plan to enter Bollywood by launching Rahul Bhatt, son of film director Mahesh Bhatt, in a movie that he wanted to make.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/i-wanted- ... 02512.aspx

Means Rahul surely would have spoken and known much more. It'sw a big leap from being a friend to sympathising with an enemy to actually becoming an agent or at least a sleeper. Wonder how much of Bollywood is compromised..

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 28 May 2011 19:57

anupmisra wrote: Really!!? Hosted Indian TV shows? Household name across India? Also, please note the wajib-ul-cattle dress Ms. Malik is sporting. Looks like this was part of the same make up session with an "SDRE" make-up artist?

what sort of a website is that? Please note the keywords at the bottom of the article:

Labels: वीना मलिक बॉलीवुड अभिनेत्री नंगा सेक्स

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 28 May 2011 20:02

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/28/world ... ss&emc=rss
In Tense Post-Bin Laden Trip to Pakistan, Clinton Seeks Firm Action on Extremists
By STEVEN LEE MYERS
Published: May 27, 2011
"ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton warned Friday that relations between the United States and Pakistan had reached “a turning point,” and called on Pakistan’s leaders to take urgent measures against Islamic extremists in the wake of the killing of Osama bin Laden....The Pakistanis promised “some very specific actions” in the near future to show their commitment to fighting terrorism, Mrs. Clinton said in her public remarks, without elaborating.
A senior official traveling with her later, speaking only on condition of anonymity, following diplomatic protocol, said the actions included “specific operations” against individuals. The official said that for security reasons, their names could not be disclosed in advance, and might never be made public...."
I guess to show their good faith they will sell/kill some of the lesser terrorist to the US, as they have done in the past. In a country of terrorists some aire gaire terrorists are not in short supply.
Gautam

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 28 May 2011 20:08

GuruPrabhu wrote:
anupmisra wrote: Really!!? Hosted Indian TV shows? Household name across India? Also, please note the wajib-ul-cattle dress Ms. Malik is sporting. Looks like this was part of the same make up session with an "SDRE" make-up artist?
what sort of a website is that? Please note the keywords at the bottom of the article:

Labels: वीना मलिक बॉलीवुड अभिनेत्री नंगा सेक्स

Translated veena malik bollywood actress naked sex

Article written by Eric Dondero, I guess he doesnt understand Hindi and those labels are mischief created by google birather based on trends

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 May 2011 20:30

good post avram. let or jem are cos whose high crest is long over

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 28 May 2011 21:25

harbans wrote:I mean what sort of questions was Goyal and Tejinder asking? I doubt some of these reporters even understand whats going on. I met the Taliban..plain stupid. From this meaningless talk, one line will be squeezed to make a headline in TOI. Basic analytical ability is missing.

The Indians in the WH/Pentagon Press corp are the worst idiots I have seen. Its shameful that India has these guys out there. They are an embarrassment to India.

The jerks can't even articulate a single sentence properly and they have this heavy thick accent to boot. How did these blokes even end up there? Some sort of quota system/Seniority BS running berserk or what?

Every time they stand there and buh Buh Buh....I want to smack them in their face and go "Speak well you little sheet.. or go to the Dale Carnegie school of verbal communication for Gawds sake" . What an opportunity cost incurred and wasted having these idiots there.

I hear, the Washington WH press corp make fun of these guys. They are a joke among their peers.

But then we also need to make sure we don't have the far leftists who speak good English either. That would be even worse.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 May 2011 21:36

Manny wrote:The jerks can't even articulate a single sentence properly and they have this heavy thick accent to boot. How did these blokes even end up there? Some sort of quota system/Seniority BS running berserk or what?

The accent shouldn't really play a role, but some depth of knowledge about the issues and good articulation is a must!

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 28 May 2011 21:36

harbans wrote:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/i-wanted- ... 02512.aspx

Means Rahul surely would have spoken and known much more. It'sw a big leap from being a friend to sympathising with an enemy to actually becoming an agent or at least a sleeper. Wonder how much of Bollywood is compromised..

Headley had in fact warned Rahul Bhatt to stay away from South Mumbai on 26/11: http://www.newkerala.com/news/world/ful ... 18220.html

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 28 May 2011 22:00

Pranav wrote:
harbans wrote:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/i-wanted- ... 02512.aspx

Means Rahul surely would have spoken and known much more. It'sw a big leap from being a friend to sympathising with an enemy to actually becoming an agent or at least a sleeper. Wonder how much of Bollywood is compromised..
Headley had in fact warned Rahul Bhatt to stay away from South Mumbai on 26/11: http://www.newkerala.com/news/world/ful ... 18220.html

Wait a minute, if DCH warned Bhatt to stay away from SM on 26/11 and he did not ask why or in the absence of any explanation, tell the authorities, he is culpable. In the US, he would be on trial for withholding information of an imminent event.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 May 2011 22:06

let me summarize:

1) We hid Bin Laden from the United States for 10 years.
2) We protested against the United States for killing Bin Laden in our territory.
3) We want your money.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 May 2011 22:08

Amber G. wrote:
Check out the body language here too..( From State Dept)
pic 1
or
pic 2

Enemy sitting next to them

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 May 2011 22:22

Manny wrote:
harbans wrote:I mean what sort of questions was Goyal and Tejinder asking? I doubt some of these reporters even understand whats going on. I met the Taliban..plain stupid. From this meaningless talk, one line will be squeezed to make a headline in TOI. Basic analytical ability is missing.
The Indians in the WH/Pentagon Press corp are the worst idiots I have seen. Its shameful that India has these guys out there. They are an embarrassment to India.

The jerks can't even articulate a single sentence properly and they have this heavy thick accent to boot. How did these blokes even end up there? Some sort of quota system/Seniority BS running berserk or what?

Every time they stand there and buh Buh Buh....I want to smack them in their face and go "Speak well you little sheet.. or go to the Dale Carnegie school of verbal communication for Gawds sake" . What an opportunity cost incurred and wasted having these idiots there.

I hear, the Washington WH press corp make fun of these guys. They are a joke among their peers.

But then we also need to make sure we don't have the far leftists who speak good English either. That would be even worse.

I must sort of disagree without being disagreeable (Jassu bhai's phrase

).

I would cut the SDRE reporters some slack. The reason they come across as wishy washy, incoherent etc, is because in these useless scripted press conferences, dominated of course by gora reporters obsessed with their interests and that alone, its difficult to put across a contrarian viewpoint and be taken seriously.

Most likely, the Indian blokes wanted to ask something about pigLeT and terror against India and US giving TSP a free pass on that count, but if they do that head on, there will be a big yawn, the state dept dork or whovever will evade and come up with the usual crap. So our blokes probably try to link US interests with Indian interests, i.e., bring in OBL raid and try to squeeze in ISO role and come out incoherent. (As an aside, I myself in some gatherings try to bring in pigLeT terror against India when the only talk so called Al Queda and its not easy).

In other words, the American reporter mouthpieces are well programmed, they are well scripted, they will all ask the same set of questons, more form over substance so they can parrot whatever it is state dept blurts out in their respective media outlets. Our guys on the other hand are trying to get out the hidden agenda, non-scripted, to expose to what extent US is selling India down the Indus river, to what extent terror against India is even on the radar screen etc. No wonder those gora peers will luagh at our guys because terror against India is something of a joke to them. India Paaakistaaaan equal equal onlee. Both are US allies in the fight against "global terrorism". You think it is easy to script the true plight of India out of this dominant caricature?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 May 2011 23:20

RajeshA wrote:
Manny wrote:The jerks can't even articulate a single sentence properly and they have this heavy thick accent to boot. How did these blokes even end up there? Some sort of quota system/Seniority BS running berserk or what?
The accent shouldn't really play a role, but some depth of knowledge about the issues and good articulation is a must!

Accent and subject knowledge play a big role in these press briefings, bigger than what most in India would imagine. Most Indian journalists are either floundering for words, say stuff that's all over the place, are inarticulate when it comes to public speaking, and are rather (embarrasingly) unaware. I have been watching these jokers for thirty years here and its a shame if that bunch is the best India has got. One can sense other local journalists suppress their sniggers when they hear an Indian (or a paki) journalist bounce all the place. My sense is that these reporters are sent to the US on the basis of their seniority (and we know how that works in India).

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 May 2011 23:30

anupmisra:

Give me a break. You think the local moutpiece journalists in suave suit boot and thongs are unembarassingly aware? They are just mouthpieces, and you know that. I mean how would you ask about pigLeT terror against India, US military aid to TSP etc etc, when the sea of dorks and dorkettes around you are asking well-scripted questions about the mighty Al Queda, and what the Navy seals wore, what they had for breakfast prior to the raid etc?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 May 2011 23:41

OT

anupmisra wrote:Accent and subject knowledge play a big role in these press briefings, bigger than what most in India would imagine. Most Indian journalists are either floundering for words, say stuff that's all over the place, are inarticulate when it comes to public speaking, and are rather (embarrasingly) unaware. I have been watching these jokers for thirty years here and its a shame if that bunch is the best India has got. One can sense other local journalists suppress their sniggers when they hear an Indian (or a paki) journalist bounce all the place. My sense is that these reporters are sent to the US on the basis of their seniority (and we know how that works in India).

Basically that is an issue of articulation, which comes only from wide reading and constant practice!

One often doesn't come across many such examples for usually the more articulate a person becomes in English for whatever reason, his English also tends to become less-accented or often more American-accented. But imagine a case, where a person is extremely learned, knowledgeable, and very articulate but still happens to speak in a very heavily Indian accented English, and depending from where in India he comes, the accent would of course be different.

Would such a person still be sniggered at? Perhaps but it would certainly not be because others would think of him as an idiot, but just surprisingly "exotic", and it may be a bit amusing! But otherwise they will accept him.

Often foreigners who start to speak Hindi also have very accented speech, and Indians too feel amused, but once they see that he is articulate with his thoughts and uses good Hindi, they drop the sniggers and take him seriously.

India would soon be one of the biggest English speaking countries in the world, and I don't think we need to change ourselves to suit the Anglos. We should continue with our accents and in about 20 years, they would have to adjust their accents in order to talk to Indians. It is the accents that still keep us Indians despite the use of English, and we should keep those accents.

What we all need to learn is to articulate better, for that is about clarity of thought and capacity to communicate it, and that is true regardless of whichever language we communicate in, including our native Indian languages!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 28 May 2011 23:48

Was really bored, so got hold of these two "throwing the towel" videos:

1. Javed Chaudhary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaUlTY4H8MA
2. Imtiaz Gul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKmLL7RD2BM

The Imtiaz Gul part is from this set discussing US-Pakistan relations:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ-y_z578_U
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNkXXsTuFVI
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CbJwiwJrnk

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 May 2011 00:12

Amber G. wrote:^^^ Her statements always had qualifiers like "highest levels", "civilian", "government" etc.. even in the press conference she pointed out that Pakis themselves have admitted that .. "some one, some where, must have known something"

What is even more remarkable - There were no joint statement.. and even the Paki statement (a very short one) made NO mention about things like core-issues..H&D..sovereignty (over OBL raid).. clean chit...only a commitment to fight jointly.

This reminds me of the huge "Did Nawaz Sharif know about Kargil? Was it done by the "phreedom phyters" or was it regular Pakistani army?" nonsense that was going on during/immediately after Kargil.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 May 2011 00:21

RajeshA

Its also about power disaprity. I am serious when I say I can articulate well, but do you know how the goras big wigs will trivilaize what your are saying if it doesn't suit their interests? For e.g., I confronted ex ambassador Frank Wisner among a sea of India TSP equal equal Indian-dominated "South Asian" choots, but all I got were sniggers from the "South Asians", and condescending answers from Farnk Wisner about how good a people both Indians and TSPians are. The "South Asians" will probably fit anupmisra's taste of "good accent", articulate etc, in short MacAulites, but do serve India's interests?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 29 May 2011 00:29

CRams..forget it. If even a large percent here do say they don't like the way they approach based on articulation of key points, understanding they've failed on the job. There's no point in askig if Clinton met Taliban because she says the top leadership of Taliban is in Pakistan. That's outright silly and idiotic. There is no defense for incompetence. The criticism is warranted and fair, irrespective of their regional accent etc.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 29 May 2011 01:18

Patni wrote:Suicide Bomber Claims at Least 5 at Pakistan Restaurant

By SALMAN MASOOD
Published: May 28, 2011

ISLAMABAD — At least five people were killed on Saturday when a suicide bomber ripped through a restaurant in the restive northwestern tribal region of Bajaur, officials said. At least 10 were wounded, several in a critical condition.

This seems to have missed the attention it deserves. Let me set some context here for the readers. Currently the highly islamicized TFTA pakis RAPES have absolutely no avenues of entertainment. No Cricket matches, No movies , No theatre (heard pakjab had a lively theatre scene till 80's) no dances, no pop groups. So in short absolutely no entertainment. So these days only family outing for paki rapes is to eat in resturants. Every evening resturants are packed with pakis spending their ill gotten wealth there. So when a bunny hits a resturant it hurts RAPES not abduls. Now they will be scared to visit the last place where they could hang out and discuss how they can hoist green cresent on red fort and lament over how abduls are blowing madarsa. Only I wuish this was some big city.

PS: This is based of my conversation with a paki.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 29 May 2011 01:33

RajeshA wrote:
Manny wrote:The jerks can't even articulate a single sentence properly and they have this heavy thick accent to boot. How did these blokes even end up there? Some sort of quota system/Seniority BS running berserk or what?
The accent shouldn't really play a role, but some depth of knowledge about the issues and good articulation is a must!

Au contraire, accent = articulation. On media, if the intended audience can't grasp the accent, they immediately discount (or turn off) what you have to say. If at the WH press corps, you ask questions in very' upper class twit/frozen jaw' Brit tones, or you are French an do a Clouseau, or the Goyal thing, you'll be sniggered at. Same goes in the UK if you are American with a southern accent, or in Paris with American accented French or even Strasbourg accented French.

The only ones who get away with it are bimbos with cleavage who can mutter stupidities in breathy ways. But then we are not listening anyway.

If you don't get the listeners' attention in the first 25 seconds (the headline), which is based almost always on the agreeability of the accent, you won't get them to judge you on your articulation of the subject. You are dismissed.

One of the 'preps' for any media appearance in the US and elsewhere is craft a message and regardless of the question you're asked on the air, you revert to your canned message. You may also recall that until the 1980s, CBS, NBC and ABC each had a pronunciation style. If you go back and listen to Walter Cronkite and compare his delivery with Huntley-Brinkley, you'd notice two different deliveries.

Finally, I just cant watch BBC America anymore. The accents (known as 'Estuary English') are horrible: "News" is pronounced "Nieeuws"

http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/estuary/home.htm

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 29 May 2011 01:39

anupmisra wrote:My sense is that these reporters are sent to the US on the basis of their seniority (and we know how that works in India).

These are not Indian reporters "sent to the US". Goyal has his own little newspaper "India Globe" in the DC area, and I think Tejinder Singh works for a FL company called "All Headline News". The mystery is why they are in the WH house corps. Possible that they were picked just to be made fun of (or, as we know famously in Goyal's case, to act as a foil).

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 29 May 2011 02:07

http://www.tejindersingh.com/index.html He also works for India today

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 29 May 2011 02:18

Rajdeep wrote:Why are we ignoring ISI-LeT nexus: US Senator

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/why-a ... 110527.htm
He then asked Christine Fair, one of the experts testifying before the Committee, what choices the US had, and she replied, " First of all, we need to take some responsibility. Pakistan has never given us anything but these signals. Right? We dismissed Lashkar-e-Tayiba for years as an India's threat. Pakistan never turned its back on Laskhar-e-Tayiba."

But Fair said, "I do think we have options to contain it. Let me put something somewhat obnoxious on the table. Lashkar-e-Tayiba's largest theater of operations for its support is in Pacific Command where we actually have a lot of assets and we have a lot of partners. We should be aggressively targeting Laskhar-e-Tayiba's assets in the Pacific Command, in Europe and North America. They can't do what they do without outside support."

"And so while it may sound somewhat disappointing that we don't have more aggressive options, I think we have more options than we believe," she said.

When Cardin asked Fair flat out if the ISI was supporting and coordinating its activities with the LeT, Fair said, " It certainly is. Pakistan is the arsonist and it's the fireman. It will help us on groups that it shares the sense that it is a threat, but yes, it is my assessment it is continuing to work with LeT in a -- in a very close way."

US Pacific command image from wiki.

Looking at the countries in pacific command, where is the largest support for pigLET.
Let established bases in Nepal BD some sleepers in India? Maldives SL.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 May 2011 03:35

OT

Cosmo_R wrote:Au contraire, accent = articulation. On media, if the intended audience can't grasp the accent, they immediately discount (or turn off) what you have to say.

At WH Press Conferences, you'll never get more information than what they are willing to put out, regardless of your knowledge, your articulation and your accent. Your accent is not going to make one hell of difference.

If the only difference is whether some American sneers at you or not, then it doesn't matter. The target audience is not the press spokesmen, but rather the Indian readers and watchers.

In 25 years time, we will be sneering at them! Just show the world the middle finger and stick to your own ways, but that does not excuse one for one's poor articulation!

Indians need a big dose of some wisdom on national power - don't change yourself to ingratiate yourselves with someone else, let others change themselves to please you!

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 29 May 2011 03:47

^^^^ OT
RajeshA agree +1

At WH Press Conferences, you'll never get more information than what they are willing to put out, regardless of your knowledge, your articulation and your accent. Your accent is not going to make one hell of difference.

If the only difference is whether some American sneers at you or not, then it doesn't matter. The target audience is not the press spokesmen, but rather the Indian readers and watchers.

In 25 years time, we will be sneering at them! Just show the world the middle finger and stick to your own ways, but that does not excuse one for one's poor articulation!

Indians need a big dose of some wisdom on national power - don't change yourself to ingratiate yourselves with someone else, let others change themselves to please you!

accent should not be a issue at all. every individual has some accent based on his upbringing.
Americans themselves have many accents depending on the area they come from. so do the other english speaking countries.

so do hispanics, black americans etc.
I also have had many misplaced americans( including my own attendings) saying to me that I have thick sdre accent- I proudly say so and talk in the same way but slowly. I asked them to pronounce my name in sdre accent and talk in my language.

They got the message.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 29 May 2011 05:15

jrjrao wrote:Photu of Sec. Clinton meeting with Zardari and co. yesterday. The seating arrangement appears to show Zardari, Groping Gilly and Rehman Malik as the big cheese, and Kayani as a small cheese.

Assphuck Kayani looks like he took it in the front this time -- a sharp blow from Hillary's pointed shoes into his testimonials, that is....

http://www.thefrontierpost.com/wp-conte ... -Pic15.jpg

Just a thought on this picture
Imagine Kiyani is a snake. A snake is not a pet and does not deserve to be in your family room in a high chair. All those parties in the picture raised the snake to let loose on their neighbors to disrupt the neighbors peaceful life. The snake became powerful enough that it sits on the high chair nowadays.
The snake now periodically bites the family members and the family still does not want to cut its head as they think the snake will be useful in the future to threaten the neighbors. Guess what the snake will do when it gets the first chance.

negi · Post by **negi** » 29 May 2011 05:23

Ashphuck's rattan cane ij missing , seems like madam ordered it be shoved right up former's musahrraf before the meeting.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 29 May 2011 05:24

devesh wrote:
Germany converting to Islam would be the death blow of Islam in its present form.
same way, Pakistan converting to Chistianity would be the death blow of Christianity as it exists now. (assumption is that Pakis still retain their TFTA attitude).

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 29 May 2011 05:55

Pakistan wants to be part of China: MJ Akbar

Gilani topped off a four-day visit to China with a claim that will surely enter the history books. Pakistan and China, he said, were “like one nation and two countries”. We shall not discuss the fine distinction between nation and country, except to note that the prime minister could have easily interchanged the terms without significant loss of meaning in his personal political dictionary. For mere outsiders, a question is inescapable: has Pakistan repositioned itself as the new Hong Kong?

China’s policy towards lands south of the Himalayas is unlikely to be either open-ended or inflexible. Tactically, it will play with options. But its strategy will be guided by China’s security interests, not Pakistan’s. The bottom line is a basic law of international relations. A sovereign nation cannot purchase security in the marketplace. Otherwise, it may remain a nation but it will be neither sovereign nor stable.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 29 May 2011 05:55

assumption is that Pakis still retain their TFTA attitude).

Please look at the photus of the handsome Pakis from the previous page. Pakistan is a pheudal society onlee. The Pakis in power are about as representative of the aam aadmi as my use of English is typical of the aam Indian villager, or English villager for that matter.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 29 May 2011 07:01

Lasting friendship

But at a time when Pakistan is under intense scrutiny for its role in fighting extremism and terrorism, the world would be watching with interest how China decides to deal with Pakistan. There are voices in the US asking the Obama administration to partner with China to restore stability to Pakistan. There are also many in India who have suggested that China shares a range of objectives with not only the US but also with India that include a prosperous, sustainable, and secure Pakistan that does not remain a base for al-Qaeda and its affiliates.

China was perhaps the only major power that openly voiced its support for Pakistan after the Osama fiasco. Hailing the killing of Osama as a “major event and a positive development in the international struggle against terrorism,” China’s ministry of foreign affairs (MoFA) spokeswoman Jiang Yu did not fail to notice that “Pakistan stands at the forefront of the international struggle against terrorism…Pakistan has made important contributions to the international struggle against terror.”

Wen went on to state that China would like to be an ‘all-weather strategic partner’ and will do its best to help the Pakistani government and people get through their difficulties.

The Pakistani nuclear weapons programme is essentially an extension of the Chinese one. Although China has long denied helping any nation attain nuclear capability, the father of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons programme, Abdul Qadeer Khan, has acknowledged the crucial role China has played by giving Pakistan 50 kg of weapons-grade enriched uranium, providing detailed plans of nuclear weapons, and tonnes of uranium hexafluoride for Pakistan’s centrifuges. This is perhaps the only case where a nuclear weapon state has passed on weapons-grade fissile material as well as a bomb design to a non-nuclear weapon state.

A rising India makes Pakistan all the more important in China’s strategy for the subcontinent. It is highly unlikely that China will give up playing the Pakistan card vis-à-vis India anytime soon. The China-Pakistan partnership serves the interests of both partners by presenting India with a potential two-front theatre in the event of war with either country. Each is using the other to counterbalance India, as India’s disputes with Pakistan keep India occupied and thus prevent it from attaining its potential as a major regional and global player.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 29 May 2011 07:14

ISI might have been involved in 26/11 strikes: Khan
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 630946.cms

Pakistan's former foreign secretary Shaharyar Khan has acknowledged that ISI might have been involved in the 26/11 attacks on Mumbai — in the first-ever confession of its kind by a member of Pakistani establishment.

In an interview to an Indian TV channel on Saturday, Khan said that "low-level" ISI personnel may have been involved in the terrorist attack on Mumbai.

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"Pakistan wants to be part of China: MJ Akbar"

Maybe US should take the life support off from pakis and let them run to china. If china accepts that will be the begining of the end for cheen. And cunning businessmen that they are cheenis wont accept this 2$ whore of a nation as their new bride so pakis will stew in their juices.

Either way we will have a reduction in our threat.
Is there any other scenario possible ?