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A_Gupta wrote:Gagan+1.

In looking at the finances of a firm, if one looks only at the liabilities and not the assets and cash-flow, then one be an Anatole Lievenesque analyst.
Thats giving him way too much credit. More likely it is the fallout from the ingrained India TSP equal equal mindset. And in that mindset, you just cannot see TSP's evil machinations against India. Heck Anatole Lieven goes even further than == when he says more people died during Gujarat riots than 26/11.

Last night, while waiting in a hotel lobby, I was talking to a guy who claimed to work for the ef-bee-eye. He started the conversation by asking if I was from India. And in a few sentences he mentioned "I have a lot of Indian and Paaaakistaaaani friends". Usual condescending tripe about how hardworking both are, and when I asked him his association with Indians and Paaaakistaaaanis, it was mostly the cabbie types. I veered the conversation to terrorism since he said he was from ef-bee-eye, he mentioned how his Paaaakistaaaani friends are giving tips on Al Queda, Hamas, Hezbollah. I mentioned LeT, and he said they are bad guys too, and are a threat to USA, India, and Paaaakistaaaan :-). I didn't waste any more time with this clown after this.
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Gagan wrote:
India gone bad is the BIMARU states, most of whom are on the path to recovery. Pakistan didn't get to where it is today, only because it is India gone bad.
:lol: No No. From the viewpoint you have expressed you are 100% correct. But that is not the context in which I meant it.

Pakistanis are Indics and think like Indics whose mind has been poisoned by a juicy poison. They know the exact point where "Indic" stops and "Islamic piety" begins and they have taken a deliberate decision to eliminate from their lives anything that appears Indic even if it is humane and praiseworthy, and have opted to retain anything that is Islamic even if it is horrendous, out of date stuff. And like true Indic scholars they have mastered The Book and throw the book at anyone who disagrees, along with the rules in the book reserved for those who disagree.

Pakis are pure poison who can neither be good for Hindus nor Muslims. There is no way in hell the Chinese will ever suppress thee guys - they will eat the Chinese for breakfast. That was where my statement came from.
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milindc wrote:
Amreeka ka kya karein
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7YYUFXyLkM

Starting from 13:00 , the guy participated in strategic dialogue with US and says that second most important item on Agenda was (based on input from Military guys) asking for a tripartite agreement with India for managing Water Resources.
Check the US rules and budget process and how familiar the Pakis on this.
Start at 9: min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjc5gKgE ... re=related

He says cannot fight with large India without US support.
This is the proof that US has been funding Pak mainly since Pak is on war with India from 1947.
Mil aid is given importance
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I wonder why the smart and erudite in IFS ask their USA counterparts, why it cannot be inferred that USA is fighting India by proxy by supporting Pskistani claims that "they need USA's financial and military support to deter a larger, stronger and wealthy India"?
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When fighting with masked figures one doesn't reveal they know how is behind the mask. Using their own rules one should make them throttle their monsters in order to preserve their own status which will be mud if the mask is ripped off.
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RamaY wrote:I wonder why the smart and erudite in IFS ask their USA counterparts, why it cannot be inferred that USA is fighting India by proxy by supporting Pskistani claims that "they need USA's financial and military support to deter a larger, stronger and wealthy India"?
Since Lal peeli topi mashkarey will infer that R&AW is setting up US to fight unwinnable wars in Iraq, Afghanistan so that some day it will become weak and it will drop Pakistan like a hot potato and India can conquer it!! :rotfl:
PS: Just kidding!
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Those who watch B4U music channel, who is that Indian RAPE dorkette who does interviews with 'those who have achieved their dreams. One of her herrows is Mush. Meta Bharat Mahan.
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Altair wrote:
RamaY wrote:I wonder why the smart and erudite in IFS ask their USA counterparts, why it cannot be inferred that USA is fighting India by proxy by supporting Pskistani claims that "they need USA's financial and military support to deter a larger, stronger and wealthy India"?
Since Lal peeli topi mashkarey will infer that R&AW is setting up US to fight unwinnable wars in Iraq, Afghanistan so that some day it will become weak and it will drop Pakistan like a hot potato and India can conquer it!! :rotfl:
PS: Just kidding!
Aha you watched the same drama as moi.
One strange thing about these gas-chodo sessions.........all of the bakis use the word "you" or "your".......problems....as if they themselves have nothing to do with Bakistan :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Sorry if posted before: (Must get more publicity)
Gilani attended my father's funeral: Headley
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This is a denial?
"“The Prime Minister never attended the funeral and had only visited Danyal Gilani's (Headley's half-brother) house to condole the death.”

The spokesman denied the report that Danyal Gilani works as a public relations officer in the Prime Minister's office. He is currently posted as the spokesman at the Pakistani Embassy in Beijing."
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Another set of videos, this one is a little more interesting.

Ab Amreeka Hum Se Kya Chahta Hai?
(Now what does America want from Pakistan)
Host: Moeed Pirzada Panel: Imtiaz Gul , Farrukh Salim, Zafar (duffer) Hilali,

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjmKXAqZukI
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3myQBBsSYrM

This one is dated around May 20th, right after Sen John Kerry departed from his Pakistan visit, and before Hillary Clinton landed in Pakistan.
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^^^Look at when the scum "denies link with terror accused .. and blames Indian media proliferates misinformation
From the same story.. Danyal says: (wrt do denial about not being PRO..)
It may also be mentioned that I have been working as PRO to the Prime Minister since 2005,
and
I was posted in Islamabad in 2002 and am living there with my wife and daughter ever since, with very little contact with him. I last met Daood when he visited Pakistan a few days after my father’s death, nearly a year ago... (This is after 26/11, in December)
These guys have no shame.
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found this in a Pak blog :

I was about to order his book to get his insight into Pakistan, when by accident I came across this obituary he wrote on Zia-ul Haq:

"He won respect even from some of his political enemies for his lack of vindictiveness. It was said his repression , unlike that of his predecessor stopped with individuals and was not extended to attempts to destroy their families. From that point of view he had some claim..to be remembered as an honourable man"
                                                                                   --Anatol Lieven the Times of London

http://takhalus.blogspot.com/search?upd ... -results=7
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http://www.samachar.com/Terror-hurting- ... bigeg.html
Terror hurting Pak too: Manmohan Singh
"Voicing concern over the terror machine still remaining intact in Pakistan, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has asked the leadership in Islamabad to "now wake up" and stop jehadi groups operating from its soil to target India.
Sending a message to Pakistan in the wake of the Karachi attack, Singh has said its leadership should realise that the terror machine there was "equally hurting" them and must take more effective action against the terror groups."
I give up, it is barobbar barobbar once again.
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THis is the forecast of Pak


U.S. troops may soon be used to protect the Trans-Afghan Pipeline in Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Construction on the pipeline will begin in 2010 and continue through 2015 and beyond, but only after the region is secured. Since the U.S. interfered with the original contracts awarded to the Bridas Corp (from Argentina), the Pashtun and Taliban tribal forces are not so interested in Unocal's counter-offer, which was extended by Hamid Karzai (a former Unocal consultant). This means either the U.S. will have to commit genocide to secure the area, or our troops will be sitting ducks while guarding the pipeline through each phase of its construction. Wasn't there supposed to be another reason we invaded Afghanistan?
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Signalling the launch of nuclear jihad!
After the Taliban’s daring raid on PNS Mehran, a heavily guarded naval base in Karachi, the world, and not only the US, has reason to worry, if not be alarmed. This is not just another incident of radical Islamists demonstrating their ability to strike terror with the help of brainwashed young men desperate to die in the hope of frolicking with 72 nubile nymphets :wink: in the other world; it signals enhanced capability on part of Pakistan’s terrorists to attack high security targets. As Prof Shaun Gregory, director of the Pakistan Security Research Unit at Bradford University (we shall return to him later) says, “This is a blueprint for an attack on nuclear facilities.”
With each passing day of blood-curdling violence — a suicide bombing here; a shootout there — the jihadis are inching closer to achieving their goal: Capturing the world’s only Islamic state with a nuclear arsenal.
( as in kirket accumulating runs while nearing the target, go for blitzkreig)
Till recently, Pakistan posed a different kind of problem. It was a terror-sponsoring state with little or no control over its Army and rogue institutions like the ISI. It was, as former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright famously said, “An international headache.” There was also the fear that unless terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and its affiliate organisations like the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan and Lashkar-e-Tayyeba, treated as ‘strategic assets’ by the Pakistani Army, were brought under control (destroying them root and branch was never quite an option as the dragon’s teeth sown by Gen Zia-ul Haq, ironically with the help of the Americans, would ensure a fresh crop of jihadis after one lot had been put down) they would lay their hands on ‘strategic assets’ of another kind: Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.
Every time that fear was expressed, Pakistan would retort with the standard response: “Our nuclear facilities are safe and secure.” There is also the other detail which would be touted in defence of Pakistan — nuclear bombs are not readymade gadgets that one picks up and detonates at will. True, that’s not how nuclear weapons are stored. The fissile core is kept separately from the device that triggers the explosion, which is not coupled with the launch vehicle. It’s only when the three are mated that you have a weapon of mass destruction.
If the Pakistanis (and their patrons in America) are to be believed, getting hold of the fissile core, the explosive device and the launch vehicle will not necessarily equip terrorists with a ‘nuclear bomb’; they would still need ‘Permissive Action Links’, a multiple set of codes, to activate the contraption. Unless those in the nuclear weapons command and control structure collaborate (a possibility that can no longer be entirely ruled out) the ‘Permissive Action Links’ will remain inaccessible, rendering the seized ‘bomb’ ineffective.
Both Islamabad and Rawalpindi will no doubt insist that there is no reason to doubt the integrity of the staff at these establishments or weapons storage facilities as they have been ‘vetted’. But that’s poppycock. AQ Khan ran a nuclear kala bazaar right under the nose of Pakistani authorities using military facilities, including planes that took off and landed at high security Army bases.
Second, there is reason to believe that Pakistan now has a ready-to-use stockpile of ‘tactical battlefield nuclear weapons’ — weapons that are designed to be used during a limited war and hence easily mated and extremely mobile. The jihadis could be hoping to lay their hands on these. What are meant to be weapons to be used against Indian forces in the event of a cold start war could end up being used against anybody anywhere.
The third possibility has long-term implications: Pakistan becoming captive in the hands of radical Islamists, either in form of a coalition comprising rogue elements of the Pakistani military/ISI and terrorist groups like Lashkar-e-Tayyeba, or an Al Qaeda-backed conglomerate led by the Pakistani Taliban. In other words, jihadis getting hold of a readymade nuclear weapons state which they will then use to blackmail others or stage attacks elsewhere. Congressional testimonies and US documents suggest that in such a situation America would have no other option but to intervene. What is obvious but not stated is that intervention by then would be too late, apart from being fraught with untold danger.
Civilian nuclear weapons sites — those sites where Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are manufactured, assembled or taken for refurbishment — are typically less protected than military sites where nuclear weapons are stored, deployed and operated,” Prof Gregory wrote, adding, “The attacks at the Wah cantonment highlight the vulnerability of nuclear weapons infrastructure sites to at least three forms of terrorist assault: a) an attack to cause a fire at a nuclear weapons facility, which would create a radiological hazard; b) an attack to cause an explosion at a nuclear weapons facility involving a nuclear weapon or components, which would create a radiological hazard; or c) an attack with the objective of seizing control of nuclear weapons components or possibly a nuclear weapon. On the latter point, Pakistan’s usual separation of nuclear weapons components is compromised to a degree by the need to assemble weapons at certain points in the manufacture and refurbishment cycle at civilian sites, and by the requirement for co-location of the separate components at military sites so that they can be mated quickly if necessary in crises.”

Everybody thought Prof Gregory was exaggerating unfounded fears. He was not. The raid on PNS Mehran tells us so!
some realistic scenarios-
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Running out of ideas anatol leiven
The circumstances of Osama bin Laden’s location and death have sharply worsened relations between the US and Pakistan but also reminded Americans of their lack of options in dealing with that country. Indeed, if the Pakistanis can persuade China to increase aid, then Islamabad may turn out to have wider options than Washington.
This also limits India’s possibilities in dealing with Pakistan
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:lol:
If it were proven that the Pakistani army had sheltered bin Laden, then US options would be much greater and much more ferocious. But as so often with Pakistan, nothing is proven or certain.
:lol:
Due to the growth of its economy, China is now in a position to match the US weapon for weapon and dollar for dollar if it chooses to do so. Beijing’s statements over the past two weeks have made it clear that as a last resort, China will back Pakistan against US pressure.
( likely trying to reach Indian audience from Indian newspaper)
:mrgreen:
The success of the Abbottabad raid may create a temptation in both the US and India to emulate it to capture or kill other militant leaders in Pakistan. Short of a complete breakdown in Pakistani co-operation, however, such a strategy should categorically be rejected.
:(( (warning to India onlee and not to uncle obviously.)
To turn Pakistan from a problem to an asset (is it ever possible)requires a shift in US and Indian strategy towards negotiations with the Afghan Taliban leadership. The most important aspect of such a deal would be the withdrawal of all non-Afghan armed forces from Afghanistan. That would mean al-Qaeda, as well as anti-Indian, anti-Russian and anti-Pakistani terrorists; but it would also mean all US and Nato troops.
(who will fill the gap ?) Read below
The Taliban would be given predominant power in the south and east of Afghanistan, and a share of power in a weak government in Kabul. They would also have to promise to suppress the heroin trade in return for international aid to their regions.
This is a deal that Pakistan would be glad to broker, and for which it is seeking Chinese support.
(what an plan, surely nobel prize for keeping the world safe in the most dangerous place on earth)
Of course, any such agreed role for Pakistan in an Afghan settlement depends categorically on its preventing international terrorist attacks from its soil. If there is a major terrorist attack on the US by Pakistanis, then the overwhelming public demand will be for a very harsh response. This will also be true, albeit to a lesser extent, if there is a new terrorist attack against India.
So Pakistan must keep arresting key al-Qaeda figures like the Yemeni Mohammed Ali Qasim, captured in Karachi last week, and it must go on reining in Lashkar-e-Taiba and other groups from resuming their terrorist campaign against India [/b]— not for our sake, but for Pakistan’s own.
( see the word rein in-not eliminate-- keep the terrorists on a leash for later mischief on India)

congrats :wink: soon Mr lieven will be made a honorary baki citizen and hilal-e-bakistan
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krisna wrote:Running out of ideas anatol leiven
The Taliban would be given predominant power in the south and east of Afghanistan, and a share of power in a weak government in Kabul. They would also have to promise to suppress the heroin trade in return for international aid to their regions.
This is a deal that Pakistan would be glad to broker, and for which it is seeking Chinese support.
I want what ever he is smoking (it cant be afghani heroin :rotfl: )
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Professor risks political storm over Muslim 'inbreeding’
He added: “Bradford is very inbred. There is a huge amount of cousins marrying each other there.” Research in Bradford has found that babies born to Pakistani women are twice as likely to die in their first year as babies born to white mothers, with genetic problems linked to inbreeding identified as a “significant” cause.

Studies have found that within the city, more than 70 per cent of marriages are between relations, with more than half involving first cousins.

Separate studies have found that while British Pakistanis make up three per cent of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses. Prof Jones also said that incest was more common than is often realised in every part of society, adding that it had been particular prevalent among royalty and suggested it is still ­continuing.
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Rajdeep wrote:
krisna wrote:Running out of ideas anatol leiven
The Taliban would be given predominant power in the south and east of Afghanistan, and a share of power in a weak government in Kabul. They would also have to promise to suppress the heroin trade in return for international aid to their regions.
This is a deal that Pakistan would be glad to broker, and for which it is seeking Chinese support.
I want what ever he is smoking (it cant be afghani heroin :rotfl: )
He is certainly smoking potent stuff.
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Ambar wrote:Pakis have a long way to go before an "internal military coup " takes place. Hamid Gul/Javed Nasir/Ijaz Shah kind know all too well that the army cannot sustain its pretentious grandiose unless they continue suck off the west. Chinese are way too smart to pick up tabs of some paki general/colnel's new custom Range Rover. If there is a mutiny, then it'll be led by mid or lower ranked officers/soldiers who'll try to Qadri-fry the entire top brass and take over the army. But again, things need to get much worse before we reach that stage.

Perhaps so, but is it even possible to establish a benchmark - metric to determine that things have gotten so bad that a coup - mutiny will be forthcoming?

For a group to decide that they are going to act in defiance of the rules - structure and attempt a coup - mutiny, wouldn't it likely be an emotional decision rather than something that can be quantified - measured?
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I too don't agree with the Paki == India's Cow Belt comparison...

For all the BIMARU tag, these states were still growing, albeit at a lower rate, still there were industries, Agriculture, tourism and above all education. Again, their backwardness was vis-a-vis the more developed states of India.

But even BIMARU states are way ahead of the wasteland that is Pukeestaan!!!
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cheenum wrote:I too don't agree with the Paki == India's Cow Belt comparison...

For all the BIMARU tag, these states were still growing, albeit at a lower rate, still there were industries, Agriculture, tourism and above all education. Again, their backwardness was vis-a-vis the more developed states of India.

But even BIMARU states are way ahead of the wasteland that is Pukeestaan!!!
Most importantly, Bimarus have seen land reform. Pukistan is still feudal.

If UP can get out of "too much democracy", i.e., representative caste dynamics, there is potential to grow quickly. Once upon a time, Kanpur was an industrial hub in India.

But of course, this is all OT in a thread dedicated to vermin.
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GuruPrabhu wrote:
cheenum wrote:But even BIMARU states are way ahead of the wasteland that is Pukeestaan!!!/quote]
Most importantly, Bimarus have seen land reform. Pukistan is still feudal.
We must rebut this == discussion/comments at its bud... US is particular and the west in general has to be constantly reminded that India is developed (economy, education, tech advancement, mil power wise) country and an Pakistan is a failed state. This needs to happen daily and Social Media, comments in media articles blogs etc must be used for this.
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The Hindu has today published six US diplomatic cables leaked by Wikileaks on the sale of the F-16 to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

151227: Pakistan's F-16 program — at risk of failure?

197576: Saving the F-16 program

77877: Embassy recommendation on engaging GOP on F-16 sale

80337: F-16 LOA signed at last

189129: The way forward for Pakistan's F-16 program

122429: Reassuring Pakistan on the F-16 sale

A synopsis of the various cables dealing with the sale of F-16’s is here:

Behind the Pakistan F-16 deal, a tale of many wheels
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anmol wrote:Majority in Pak don't support terrorists: KhanKaran Thapar , CNN-IBN
That Shaharyar Khan interview is fudging and lying to the core. Unfortunately for the India-Pak relations, the same elite Ganga-Jamuna Mussalman who planned the division, only partly migrated to Pakistan leaving the rest of their branch behind in Bharat. It is possible that their familial interactions across the border affected the trajectory of the relationship because most of the mohajir elites rose to very high positions in the GoP or the PA. Shaharyar Khan's case is a powerful illustration of this. Anyway, that is another issue.

Shahryar Khan conveniently dubs the ISI officers as 'rogue'. Today we know, courtesy Headley & Kasab, that at least four PA officers, Maj Iqbal, Maj. Pasha, Maj. Sameer Ali and Sajid Mir (possibly a Major too) were involved in 26/11. If these were rogue lower level officers, as Shaharyar claims, then it beats credulity. By all accounts, they have spent a considerable time planning the 26/11 carnage along with Headley and the LeT, which means that they should have neglected their official activities during this time. Would that have not come to the adverse notice of their superiors ? Would it not have raised suspicion among their colleagues if they were only rogues ? And, if they were indeed rogues, why is Pakistan simply sitting on the Indian dossier that detailed their involvement without taking any action ? Major Iqbal was able to procure services from other branches such as the Pakistani Navy and Army Signals for the 26/11 operation. How was he able to do so without raising suspicion if he was only a rogue ? How did he organize a tidy sum of USD 25,000 and in foreign currency too ? Headley has spoken of the great respect that Iqbal commanded even though he always came in civilian clothes. He was always accompanied by an Army driver and one or two Army orderlies, according to Headley. How could Shahryar claim Maj. Iqbal to have acted covertly when he moved about and interacted with the LeT so openly and displaying his authority ? Kasab had spoken of a 'General saheb' who accompanied Prof. Hafeez Saeed saheb during the process of selection of the 10 terrorists for the operation. The PA invited and professor saheb attended the iftaar even when an Interpol Alert was pending against him. Pakistan has so far displayed defiance of the will of the world as far as the LeT goes. Earlier, the French terrorist, Willie Brigitte, extensively documented how the ISI and the LeT were joined at the hips. The French Prosecutor and counter-terrorism expert, Jean-Louis Bruguière, who investigated the case of Willy Brigitte, has concluded that the LeT terrorist training camps were run by the Pakistani military with the possible knowledge of the CIA. Brigitte said LET was filled with soldiers from the Pakistani Army and the weapons were provided by the army. The high altitude LeT-PA training camp was protected by a number of army roadblocks. PA helicopters regularly supplied weapons and rations. His handler was also Sajid Mir, the same PA officer who masterminded the 26/11 as well.

If, as GoP continues to claim that the ISI is not a rogue intelligence agency and it only executes dutifully what it is ordered to do, it then flies in the face of Shahryar Khan's claims. If it is indeed a set of roguish officers who executed the 26/11, then the natural question to ask is "What is GoP doing about these roguish officers ?". Pakistan claimed, after the January 12, 2002 speech of Gen. Musharraf, that it had purged the ISI of those elements that got imbued with the jihadi mindset because of their involvement with the Afghan mujahideen. That in itself was a false claim. If indeed we assume it was true, then where did these new rogue elements now come from ? After all, the likes of Iqbal or Mir or Ali appear not to be that old to have been involved in the Afghan jihad or even in the 1996 Taliban uprising.
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X Posted. From the Pakistan Arms Sales, Ops, Doctrine etc thread.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s decrepit financial health seems to have had some (past?) impact on its weapon purchase programmes.

US diplomatic cable dated back to Jan. 28, 2009 leaked by Wikileaks states that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan was “behind in payments” for nearly all of its major weapon acquisition programmes. These programmes include the purchase of the F-16 Block 52 from the US, the JF-17 from P.R China and the Erieye AEW&C from Sweden.

Entirely fitting that those who have been criminally stupid enough to arm a nuclear weapon proliferating and terrorist supporting Islamic Republic of Pakistan be afflicted with some small pain:
In 2006, the GOP signed a five year contract to purchase 18 new Block 52 aircraft. The first delivery is scheduled for 2010. As of September 2008, Pakistan had paid $388 million in national funds, leaving a balance due of $1.04 billion. The GOP is over 30 days behind schedule on its December 2008 payment; its September payment was made almost three months late and only after Pakistan received the first tranche of its IMF Standby Agreement payment. The next payments due are: $113M in December 2008 (now overdue), $99.5M in March 2009, and $301M in June 2009.

Finance Minister Tareen confirmed to Ambassador January 28 that Pakistan would make the overdue December payment "soon," but he asked for three-four months grace period on the next two payments, so that they could be included in the GOP's next budget cycle, which begins in June 2009. Both Tareen and Defense Minister Mukhtar have admitted they are not sure if Pakistan can continue to pay. Post firmly believes that the GOP cannot afford to continue to make these payments, and we do not expect this situation to change. The GOP is also reportedly behind in payments to China, Sweden and other countries for JF-17s, Erieye Airborne Early Warning And Control(AEW&C) radar and other aircraft/programs.
From one of the cables earlier posted by me:

189129: The way forward for Pakistan's F-16 program
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I have said it before and I will repeat it again. The ISI is NOT an intelligence agency with a proper chain of command. Their only vision is destruction of India. They are a gang of people who have their own agenda and work for themselves. They do have some units which perform some functions and are under orders from a rank of Lt.Gen but thats about it. These units are filled with lower ranking abduls. They generate their own income from numerous businesses including dope smuggling,human trafficking and extortion. They form small groups by recruiting close family members to their cell. It ensures they will not be betrayed and the loyalty will prevail. They do not report for duty and sign out at the end of the day. It is a totally different style of working and operation.
If we keep this in mind, we can have a proper response to them. We are not talking to an organization having a CEO and MD. The logic wont work that way.
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Where is Generalissimo ass-phuk kiyanahi...We havent heard from him since he gave a speech few weeks ago.

I belive tee-tee-p took him when they visited PN
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Altairji,

ISI is nothing but Paki govt terrorist organization. Since they cannot call one of govt departments as "terrorist", they named it ISI.
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krisna,

By positioning India's dilemma as the same as US's dilemma, he is making the elites in Delhi feel important and boosting their ego. But essentially what he is suggesting is that India appease TSP so US can walk away declaring victory with its H&D intact. Somehwat like the fraud that late Holbrooke was peddling, namely, for the first time since independence, supposedly India, USA, and TSP face the same threat, and the 3 need to sit down and sort out this threat (meaning lets talk Cashmere and other pet grievances TSP has visa vi India). I must credit the Babus in Delhi for obliterating that criminal sophistry for what it was.
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Isn't this argument on the same lines of "No Muslim can be terrorist" once the terrorist arrested/Killed turns out to be Muslim. Similarly no ISI agent is Rogue unless caught with his pants down. Every Terrorist officer in ISI can indulge in assassinations, killing, bomb blasts and heroin trade yet the agency remains Pure as always.
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VikasRaina,

At the end of the day, unless TSP is punished for its crimes, this charade will continue. And especailly with regards to India, any crime they commit will either be casualy dismissed or mocked. I'll bet you, as the Rana trial in Chicago unfolds, and ISI role is clearly established, as if it needs to be, TSP will still come out swinging visa vi India. They will say, jee just one or two rouges just as you have colonel ProHit. You point out LeT, they will point to Shiv Sena. Sad part is that many Indians themseleves, starting with highest levels in Indian govt, do this equal equal.
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Another set of Videos: Discussing Pak-Chinese relationship.

Host: Moeed Pirzada. Panel: Riaz Khokhar(Former foreign secretary), Naseem Zehra, Ikram Sehgal ( Analyst) and Faisal Mushtaq (Director Roots Schools which teaches Chinese in his schools)

These buggers are discussing less of Pak-Chinese relationship, more singing paens to the chinese, but more browning the pants over the India-China relationship, trade etc, and fearful over the future effect of this on their government decision making.

Pak - Cheen Dosti , badalti dunya kay sath sath?
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EC9k75Oj84
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50NMydMvqGg
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I don't know why Karan Thapar was so kind to Sharyar Khan?

He should have roasted him. The most boring (yawn) programme I ever watched.
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National Security Policy Per Barti Tanqeed?
Host: Moeed Pirzada Panel: Irfan Siddique (Analyst), Ahmed Qureshi (Chuha / Nimbu Pani), Senator Haroon Akhtar (PML), Hamid Gul

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNgsatdsWQE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoiM66ob9ck

In part 1 Hamid Gul says, "Zia-ul-Haq ka jahaz uda diya tha amreekano ne"
(Zia-ul-Haq's plane was blown up by the americans)
Hamid Gul blames the US for:
1. Blowing up Zia's plane
2. Ojhri camp blast
Where the truth probably is that, the former was an internal coup within the army, and the latter was a cover up to divert US origin arms from Afghanistan to Kashmir.
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rajanb wrote:I don't know why Karan Thapar was so kind to Sharyar Khan?

He should have roasted him. The most boring (yawn) programme I ever watched.
Benazir connection! and paid paki psy ops :D
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CRamS wrote:VikasRaina,

At the end of the day, unless TSP is punished for its crimes, this charade will continue. And especailly with regards to India, any crime they commit will either be casualy dismissed or mocked. I'll bet you, as the Rana trial in Chicago unfolds, and ISI role is clearly established, as if it needs to be, TSP will still come out swinging visa vi India. They will say, jee just one or two rouges just as you have colonel ProHit. You point out LeT, they will point to Shiv Sena. Sad part is that many Indians themseleves, starting with highest levels in Indian govt, do this equal equal.
CRamS ji, That is why I strongly believe that at the end of the day, no cajoling or convincing Americans would help as they are aware of of this perfidy by TSP if not actively part of it. India needs to do what India needs to do and we don't have to fight our battles in Chicago or in some distant future when we will be USD <XX> trillion dollar economy. The enemy is here on the gates and no chanikian spin of "let them roast in their juice" or "Why unite Pakis" or "We will lose more than TSP with war" or " why do we want to declare war" and blah blah blah!
We need to punish TSP and not with proportionate response but let them face the unmitigated disaster.

Sadly lot of us suffer from short term memory and revenge is the last thing on our minds. All we remember now is 26/11 and all sins before that have been forgiven. Imagine DI still running Business empire in India allegedly in cohorts with Cabinet ministers. Talk about rigue ISI !!
All this == is equal equal as long as GoI is willing to buy the argument otherwise you crush the enemy, burp and move on and the world moves on with you but then when your greatest prioroty is to somehow play cricket match with TSP so that the PM can visit the wasteland, I can only sigh and say a prayer for the future victims of the TSPian bomb blasts in India.
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