Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 31 May 2011 18:56

Jundullah, Qaeda prime suspects http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... e-suspects

KARACHI - Al-Qaeda or Irani Junduallah may be a prime suspect behind the Mehran Base attack wherein 10 armed forces personnel were killed while 15 others were wounded and two American NATO supplies surveillance aircrafts were also destroyed.

Sources privy to the development disclosed that Nadra could not trace the data of terrorists who were gunned down and exploded which suggested the accused were not Pakistani nationals.

The sources said that physical features, clothes, shoes and handkerchiefs of both the terrorists and other available stuff pinpointed that the Pak-Iran bordering area in Balochistan could be their likely birthplace.

The bordering area of Balochistan is dominated by Junduallah operatives who usually target the Irani installations and paramilitary troops. The sources said some inhabitants of the area had dual nationality while some others had single identity of Iran or Pakistan.
Investigators also suspect the involvement of al-Qaeda in the attack on Navy installations as they have routes in the said areas of Balochistan. Khalid Shaikh Muhammad, Ammar Balochi, and Yousf Ramzi also belonged to the the bordering area of Pakistan and Iran, the sources added.

SP Niaz Khuso of the Mehran base investigation team while talking to TheNation said that involvement of Jundaullah was a hypothesis but it could not be rejected completely.

He said it would be difficult to determine the origin of the terrorists through their physical characteristics or clothes. Conclusion could not be drawn without proper identification of the terrorists, he said. The DNA reports of the terrorists my help out the investigators but it would take a week more, SP Khuso said.

He disclosed that the data of cell phones of the security officials inside the base was scrutinised but it proved clueless.

A Motorola phone recovered from the base was undetectable as it was a simple walky-talky which was useless.

On the other side, investigators believe that such sort of terrorist attack was not possible without the involvement of internal sources because terrorists had a goal which they achieved without harming any other asset of the Navy.

“The terrorists were not intended to harm the Pakistani assets or base. The whole base would have been shattered had the terrorists targeted the fuel tank of the base inside the Faisal base from where they had moved to achieve their objective. But they did not even harm any air force jet,” they added.

The source pointed out that Navy parking at Baldia was the first and easy target of terrorists that was accomplished a couple of months ago.

Attack on two Navy buses the same day was an open target because as the routine movement can be monitored easily. But the last attack on the Navy bus at Karsaz road was not an easy target as the vehicle was on special assignment, they added.
Meanwhile, it was reliably learnt that special intelligence group of the Federal Investigation Agency was not among the joint interrogation team formed by the Sindh government on Sunday for probing into the incident of PNS Mehran.

Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik had repeatedly announced the name of FIA among the investigation team but the authorities declined to consider the recommendations of the interior Minister.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 31 May 2011 18:56

Narad wrote:Journalist Saleem Shahzad found dead near Islamabad

May his soul rest in peace and may his killers get their due soon.

I never fully understodd where SSS came from and felt that on occasion he passed on ISI misinformation. But he had the guts to go and report from places where few other TSP reporters dared to.

He was going to do a part-2 of his store in Asia Times detailing TSPN-ISI-Al Qaeda links, just as Daniel Pearl was about to write on JeM-ISI-Al Qaeda links before he was killed.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 19:03

I tell you, anyone who even hints at writing about the ISI-Al Qaida-9/11 link is abducted and killed.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 May 2011 19:06

^ was he killed because of his new book ?

niran · Post by **niran** » 31 May 2011 19:07

RamaY wrote:By the way, what happens to mardanis when they go to jennat?

70 layered see through Burka, Body wash cum shampoo bottle, toohbrush and paste.
BTW it is BENISisque so will digress.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 31 May 2011 19:11

shravan wrote:^ was he killed because of his new book ?

Not linkely but that might have been a contributing factor. SSS was going to do a part-2 of his ATimes report connecting TSPN-ISI-AQ. That story has not been released so it could have been a more imminent reason to silence the man.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 May 2011 19:13

Rangudu wrote:
shravan wrote:^ was he killed because of his new book ?
Not linkely but that might have been a contributing factor. SSS was going to do a part-2 of his ATimes report connecting TSPN-ISI-AQ. That story has not been released so it could have been a more imminent reason to silence the man.

But the story could have been already written, just not published as yet! So it is possible, we will be reading some of his unpublished works in the coming days.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 May 2011 19:16

SSS was not bad a bit as a journalist. To his credit he did cover things as objectively as he could. He gave a deeper picture and insight not available to most. He met Kashmiri, many AQ leaders unknown to others were interviewed and got to notice. This is his article on what happened at Mehran and the background. This may have been what he was murdered for. He may have kown something pretty rotten in the PN. May be the PN is compromised right at the top. Who were the PN top Honcho's who threatened him recently?

The AW article:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ME27Df06.html

I get a feeling the ISI/ PA is using the AQ covertly against the US in much the same way they are using the LeT against India overtly. And this is a red line that SSS had discovered in his PNS Mehran investigation.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 May 2011 19:16

May his soul rest in peace

Hope the current and future lot of journalists in Pak find inspiration from him.

BTW: It was unusal that AQ would negotiate with Pak Navy on behalf of suspected navy officers. The story didn't quite add up. Can anyone pl take a shot at peeling this onion?

Rangudu garu?

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 31 May 2011 19:24

By AQ he meant the "bad" jihadis i.e. Ilyas Kashmiri and their ISI enablers.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 May 2011 19:35

RIP. Poor guy he tried to be a good journalist for Pakistan. Looks like ISI decided to kill him. He proabbaly was too close to something big.

pak Journalist found dead after reported arrest by ISI

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 31 May 2011 19:39

If you look closely at the timeline of Mehran attack, and if you were following Paki tv live news - the attackers did most of the damage in the first hour or so. What went on for the next 15 hours? What happened to all the Paki tv news reports that foreigners were taken hostage?

The question to be asked is - where are the arrested PN people mentioned by SSS?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 May 2011 19:45

Rajiv Lather wrote:If you closely look at the timeline of Mehran attack, and if you were following Paki tv live news - the attackers did most of the damage in the first hour or so.

The Orions were destroyed exactly 60 mins before the Media started reporting about the blasts in Karachi.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 31 May 2011 20:12

ramana wrote:RIP. Poor guy he tried to be a good journalist for Pakistan. Looks like ISI decided to kill him. He proabbaly was too close to something big.

More likely than what he knew, ISI goons probably wanted to know WHO he knew i.e. his sources. Some contacts of mine were chattering about the massive panic attack in ISI's jihadi wing about how CIA was able to penetrate their circles and build a network of contacts. Shahzad was about to name names regarding specific TSPN/ISI officers with jiahdi connections, where they were trained and how they were being "managed" despite their ties to AQ.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 31 May 2011 20:18

I got an email from a friend. He had received an email forwarded by SSS "in case something should happen to me".

The email forwarded by SSS was from Oct 2010 sent to SSS by Rear Admiral Adnan Nazir, then DG of ISI's "media wing". In that email, the ISI goon tells SSS that as a favor, ISI will let him know if SSS' name ever shows up on terrorists' hit lists. This was as clear a death threat as they come.

That email was sent after SSS refused to pull this story of ISI releasing Mullah Bradar.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 31 May 2011 20:24

SSridhar wrote:
Gagan wrote:Uneven Cohen's Farticle:
Kashmir conflict will last for 100 years, says Cohen
Indirectly, what he is saying is that the US will ensure the survival of Pakistan for another 100 years. Whatever be the help from the 'sweeter than the sweetest' friends, it is largely the American oxygen that sustains Pakistan. The PA is largely an American Army. The economy mostly runs on American dollars. Suck that American oxygen out, TSP will gasp for breath in spite of the remaining two-and-a-half.

Like all other Paki pasand, anti-India charlatans, he identifies TSP's problem, namely

'The obsession with India, on the other hand, is weakening Pakistan rather than strengthening it.

But he still wants to peddle this mischevous notion of India TSP rivalry

Cohen said he was writing a book about the India-Pakistan rivalry and that he would call it a 'hundred year old war'.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 31 May 2011 20:30

It is abundantly clear that ISI picked up SSS to extract information about the "Source" within ISI that passed of chilling revelations about PNS Mehran attack. It will remain unclear wether they were able to find and neutralise the ISI mole.

SSS was about to reveal more info about the attack in the second part of his report. I hope somehow the contents do surface in coming days. Sahzad may have planned contingencies as he was well aware of impending troubles that awaits him.

However, with the killing of Sahzad the revelations that he made in his report gains further credibility that The attackers on PNS mehran base were low ranking Naval officers having strong Al-Quaeda links and that the operation was joint effort of 313 brigade and paki navy personel. PN and AQ were into some sort of contract that the suspected navy men having AQ links arrested last year would be eventually released after interrogation, but PN did not honour the deal and as a result we saw initial small attacks on naval buses in karachi followed by Mehran attack.

Adding more shame to the already turdy paki H&D, the "Source" also provided the info that number of attackers were 10 instead (and not 6 as claimed by RM to protect H&D), out of which 6 escaped.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 20:52

What is Pakistan Navy's relation with Al Qaida? USS Cole? Something planned in the future?

If someone says Pakistan Air Force and Al Qaida, one would say perhaps the 9/11 job.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory already, though.

archan · Post by **archan** » 31 May 2011 20:54

Gagan wrote:The good maulana says
uske kapdon me se uski pindaliyon ka gooda tak nazar ayega
Someone really well versed in punjabi / urdu please explain the words:
Pindaliyon & Gooda.

Gooda I think == mound.
Or is Gooda in urdu ~ Gode in hindi, meaning uterus.

The mulla is even more descriptive here, downright poetic description of the female anatomy. AND he attributes this description to the Prophet.
I don't think that this maulana made all this up, this is something that has been passed down from generations.

Its not that. Probably they have different words for it in Punjabi but pindali means calf muscle, the area below the back of the knee. Gooda means flesh here. The word is generic, like one can say aam ka gooda (mango's inner stuff). He is simply referring to the fleshy calf that apparently is supposed to be erotic to the paki believers.
If someone were to bring these despos to a western country in the summer, they would be in a constant state of orgasm watching women in shorts and minis.

Even a modern day bollywood flick would make them go jeehard.
To think this is also mankind, makes one sad.

PS: also note he tells his subjects to only keep attachment with women until your needs are fulfilled, and how he calls the women of this earth dirty. No wonder pakis have so little respect for women (other than their mothers in some case). This is a misguided mutant of humanity and one hopes mother nature takes care of it like it should.

archan · Post by **archan** » 31 May 2011 20:56

Gagan wrote:What is Pakistan Navy's relation with Al Qaida? USS Cole? Something planned in the future?

If someone says Pakistan Air Force and Al Qaida, one would say perhaps the 9/11 job.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory already, though.

Here's hoping he left more material for "publish this in case I am killed" scenario. True barbarians these pakis are.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 31 May 2011 20:56

I noticed something. Its not the religious people of Pakistan who are anti India. Its actually the leftist secularist, clean shaven , scotch drinking Pakistanis who are anti Indians. The religious Muslims maybe more Anti American than Anti Indian.

People like Kesab et al are naive misguided youths of the secularists of Pakistan in their Armed forces and ISI. If you go and tell religious muslim youths that their religion is under threat and then you give them all kind of false stories, its only natural they would participate in these things as defending their faith. So these religious people of Pakistan are being used as canon fodder of the Machiavellian lefty secularists.

Remember, it was no religious Muslims of Pakistan who killed 3 million Bengali Muslims, It was not some Mullah who master minded Kargil. Its not even some Mullah who is managing the LeT. All these are done by the secularists of Pakistan.

And these same lefty secularists are the ones who are going to western countries and throwing their religious people under the bus. The silly westerner on the average thinks its the Mullahs and the religious Muslims of Pakistan who are the problem.

This is not very unlike our own lefty secularists who have projected to the west that the religious Hindu right wing are the problem in India.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 May 2011 20:57

Asia Times reports on Shahzads kidnapping and murder:

Shahzad, 40, had on several occasions been warned by officials of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) over articles they deemed to be detrimental to Pakistan's national interests or image. He leaves a wife, two sons aged 14 and seven, and a daughter aged 12.

Human Rights Watch researcher Ali Dayan Hasan earlier said he suspected ISI officials abducted Shahzad, possibly because of a recent story he wrote on al-Qaeda infiltration in the Pakistani navy. Authorities haven't commented. (Al-Qaeda had warned of Pakistan strike.)

Tony Allison, the Editor of Asia Times Online, expressed his deep concern for one of the most fearless journalists with whom he had ever worked. "We will bring the utmost pressure to bear on the authorities over this case. We at Asia Times Online express our deepest sympathies for Saleem's family."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MF01Df03.html

Networks all over are busy now with this latest intrigue involving the sewer rathole of a state.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 31 May 2011 20:59

If you read the coverage of Pearl II episode, you will see that western media has turned a crucial page. In the past ISI was seldom named directly as a rogue agency that tortures and kills, usually it is passed off as Indian allegations, with Paki 'denials' given equal coverage. Circumspect references to 'close ties to militant groups' are of course mentioned, that too again in the context of India/Afghanistan in that order as if that justifies it.

All that is history. Now the way they describe the events and pass comments, is almost as if ISI is another LET, Al-Qaeda or Medellin cartel.

The truth whatever be it, hardly matters. Perceptions have changed. Penny has dropped.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 21:00

Archan-ji,
Pindaliyan and machliyan is sometimes used together, and I suspect their meaning is *sharam sharam*

Pindliyan would also mean extrimities.

But that having been said, these mullahs spend a lot of time forming theories about the carnal pleasures of life.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 31 May 2011 21:01

perhaps al-guardian will take up the cudgels on his behalf, with ms roy championing him?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 May 2011 21:06

After OBL in Abbottabad, SSS's killing by the ISI making headlines is yet another game changer.

The US powers that be will find that public opinion is so anti ISI and Anti Pakistan, that they might be forced to give up the current policy formulation of Pakistan is an ally.

Once there is a large enough public opinion and politics come into play in washington DC in the run up to 2012, Pakistan might find the going very tough, and the leadership in DC will have to promise things that Pakistan will regret.

SSS's killing is a game changer for sure. The western media is going to town yelling "ISI murdered SSS, and this is Daniel Pearl II"

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 May 2011 21:07

Remember, it was no religious Muslims of Pakistan who killed 3 million Bengali Muslims, It was not some Mullah who master minded Kargil. Its not even some Mullah who is managing the LeT. All these are done by the secularists of Pakistan.

Manny ji this is crap you've posted on Deff and now here too. It hardly matters what hue of piousness you show. All belong to one hue: Islamist. There is no secular Paki. Why you feel the more pious are not anti Indian is because the more pious correctly consider first priority as making the less pious obey more pious diktat. Thats why TTP etc want true Sharia imposed including stoning ad death for blasphemy etc. The less pious oppose this not because it is abhorent to kill Asia Bibi's etc, but once they do so, they lose liberties in the West, aid etc. They also realize that becoming talibanized will result in reduction of privileges mostly obtained by Western aid etc. But the Talibs are slowly already winning. Timur if you are not aware was Hafiz E Koran. He massacred all the citizens of Delhi twice. He threatened to kill any less pious muslim if he did not bring 5 heads of the Kafir. Apologies but you are under serious delusion if you think the BD massacres don't have religious sanction.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 31 May 2011 21:11

IF Muslims of Pakistan want to live under Sharia, who cares. It's not my problem. IF they want Sharia, they have a right to it in their territory. I am not saying Islamists are totally good people. All I am saying is that in Pakistan, the bigger evil are secularists. In Pakistan, allmost all the horror is done by the leadership of the secularists.

As long as Pakistan projects that its the secularists who are in power, they would have the west on their side. So the secularists remain in power getting funded by the west and then go to exploit and use their religious people and blow sunshine up their skirts saying their religion is being attacked by the evil Hindus and Jooos.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 May 2011 21:18

After the September 11, 2001, attacks on the US, Pakistan's top brass took a policy turn and joined in the US's "war on terror", but a large chunk of officers took retirement and with serving colleagues they helped the Taliban. This changed the dynamics of the Afghan war theater (see Military brains plot Pakistan's downfall Asia Times Online, September 26, 2007).

This collection of former and serving officers was responsible for a number of attacks on the military, including on military headquarters in 2009 and against ex-president General Pervez Musharraf.

Now, this nexus could become active again to revive regional operations, in addition to a possible mutiny against the top military brass. (See Trouble ahead in Pakistan's new US phase May 18.)

Before the incident in Karachi, Asia Times Online was contacted by militants by telephone to confirm future attacks in the following words: "We don't want any trouble inside Pakistan or in the Pakistan army, but we do want to create an environment in which it would be conducive for pro-Islam and patriotic elements in the armed forces to dislodge incompetent and pro-American military officials."

This is from the Atimes recent article. Clearly he was picked up by the ISI to know about moles. Possibly even the moles within ISI picked him up. Clearly the PA top brass is worried about a coup within their ranks. The Quadri's now are everywhere in the increasingly pious state of Papistan.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 31 May 2011 21:18

Manny wrote:IF Muslims want to live under Sharia, who cares. It's not my problem. I am not saying Islamists are totally good people. All I am saying is that in Pakistan, the bigger evil are secularists. In Pakistan, allmost all the horror is done by the leadership of the secularists.

Better way to put it is, with Mullahs in power hate would be evenly distributed among all kaafirs. with "secular" paqui army in power it would mostly be reserved against India.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 31 May 2011 21:18

^ That is really stretching the definition of "secularist" to its breaking point

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Manny · Post by **Manny** » 31 May 2011 21:23

pgbhat wrote:
Manny wrote:IF Muslims want to live under Sharia, who cares. It's not my problem. I am not saying Islamists are totally good people. All I am saying is that in Pakistan, the bigger evil are secularists. In Pakistan, allmost all the horror is done by the leadership of the secularists.
Better way to put it is, with Mullahs in power hate would be evenly distributed among all kaafirs. with "secular" paqui army in power it would mostly be reserved against India.

Yup. IF you look at that other forum, the most anti India Rhetoric comes from the secularists who are living abroad. The Pakistani religious people seem to be more Anti US.

Its not a stretch to say, all lefty secularists around the world hate India.

Think about it, who are the worst anti Indians in the US and the west? Its the lefty secularists. Same goes for leftis of India.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 May 2011 21:27

Philip wrote:Pakistan will not last 100 years,so what he worry?!

Its good to have you back, even if your absence was for a short while.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 May 2011 21:32

Yup. IF you look at that other forum, the most anti India Rhetoric comes from the secularists who are living abroad. The Pakistani religious people seem to be more Anti US.

No, the abuse and hate is equally vicious. Only that the secularists take side of Mushy and stave off the more pious by referring to the Hudaibya treaty. The more pious took it for some time but it's too mush to expect when drones, their pious brethren etc are being taken out one by one by the Kufr West. The West is only buying off the so called 'secularist'. I hope you name me ONE Paki secularist in the establishment. There is NONE. Zilch. zero.

The priority for the more pious presently is US. If the PA etc are found supporting them..this ifuriates them. The PA top brass have hardly a choice dealing with the great Khan. They are seeing their assets i the West and cushiony lifestyle may be wiped out if they have to confirm to the pious stand in toto. Hence the dithering ad double game. But neither they are here nor they are there.

Once the more pious finish with the Islamic agenda within Pakistan and US, they will focus on India. But as we infer, one good thing is they'll lose Western 3.5 aid. So the anger will be distributed. Hence it will be to India's interests as most of their war machinery will grind to a standstill. Thats all there is to read. The fight against India is completely religiously motivated on part of the Paki.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 31 May 2011 21:34

IF its religiously motivated, the entire middle east would be anti India. I can assure you, they are not.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 31 May 2011 21:56

^^^
you are comparing apples and oranges. Pak is a different case study. can't compare them to ME. ME is nowhere near as insecure and obscurantist as Pak. for Pak, everybody who looks at them strangely is a RAW agent or an Indian conspiracy.

ME's raison d'etre is different from Paki raison-d'etre. comparing the two is deliberate distortion.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 31 May 2011 21:57

Why would ISI bump off SSS when it is under so much scrutiny after OBL raid, Mehran attack and Chicago case. Since when have reporters threatened a terrorist organization like ISI with expose and why would tat expose really scare off ISI, after all they are known to have rogue agents here and there.
I mean what kind of idiotic top brass would bump off SSS so publicly and draw whatever negative attention is left out onto itself. Hiding Navy's link with AQ in some online edition of a newspaper would not sever those links and anyways how big was the audience for SSS.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 May 2011 22:02

Gagan wrote:What is Pakistan Navy's relation with Al Qaida? USS Cole? Something planned in the future?
If someone says Pakistan Air Force and Al Qaida, one would say perhaps the 9/11 job.

IMO, this is precisely where the focus should be on and precisely where Pak would not want it.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 May 2011 22:03

Manny ji, by secular we mean keeping religion and politics separate. The Pakistani state is by it's own fouding constitution: Islamic. Which means that it's citizens have chosen to be governed by Islamic laws and not by the secular template that defines India. Thus there are no secularists in the Pakistani establishment.

The motivation behind all Ghazwas against Hind was religious. There are Hadiths to certify that motivation. They all fall in the fundamental concept of Dar Ul Harb and Dar ul Islam.

Most of the present day IM ancestry in India voted for the concept of separate nations. Most of those who voted for the 2 nation theory stayed behind in India. India by it's secular nature, has tried to make them once again a part of us. Countries in the ME have befriended us due to exigencies. Not due to the love of India's secular credentials or Hindu/ Dharmic culture. Palestinians 'befriended' us so that we may carry a voice to the UN. They have other problems of their own than Ghazwas to bother presently. But we all know how friendly Arab sheikhs are to India. How Indians are treated in the ME. How Dubai hosted Dawood for so many years.

Be clear that the Inquisitions in Goa and South America too were religiously motivated by doctrine and had the highest papal blessings. Doctrine is everything. We must n3ever be lulled, not after 1400 years of Islam and 400 years of Christianity that the relgious doctrines consider non Muslims and non Christians as bound for hell, infidel and pagan. The root cause of 911 after all is Kufr boots on the holy land.

Losing sight of the reality and making a false claim on it's basis is just lulloing one into complacense and a false sense of security.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 May 2011 22:07

It sends message to others to mind it.

Asma Jehangir was on NPR and said they have laws not to question the Pak military. After Abortabad raid and PNS Mehran atack she said anyone in right mind will question them. She called them duffers: incompetent and incapable of protecting Pakistan and a drain on resources. The story had audio of Badmash at a rally urging inquiry into OBL raid.

All this was before the SSS saheedization.