Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jun 2011 05:24

Rudradev wrote: Orions may be credible, in that it is certainly possible to put a bum in one and send it against an Indian target. But are they the most likely platform, even among all the planes that were there in Mehran? Why not, e.g. the Mirage IIIs that are apparently part of the maritime attack sqn based there?

Rudradev - Paki nukes - the oldest and most reliable (tested) designs and the Uranium implosion bum designs obtained from China are probably suitable only for gravity drop from a plane that has a large internal bay. The Orion can easily carry a 2-3 tonne bomb and has the endurance to reach coastal targets in Southern India. Read Karwar/Kochi

I seriously doubt if terrorists can cart away a 2-3 tonne bomb and I suspect that no Pakistani warhead weighs less than 500 kg. A finished warhead would require a crane/forklift to heft it and a small lorry to carry it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jun 2011 05:30

Long ago I had said TSP tests made it an US problem. By standing firm at Kargil and Parakram, India deflected the jihadi wave back into TSP. We are now seeing the internal turning of the monsters created by TSP.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Jun 2011 05:43

PNS attack: Terrorist were using walkie talkies of NATO forces
http://pn.com.pk/details_en.php?nid=19706

According to the ongoing investigations in the attack on the Pakistan Naval Base Mehran in Karachi, the terrorists were using the LXT 303 walkie talkies made by an American company.Dunya News received exclusive pictures of the walkie talkies used by the terrorists in the attack.According to the investigation officer, there walkie talkies are specifically made to be used in military operations. The terrorist had at least three walkie talkie sets which were set one channel through which they were contacting each other

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jun 2011 05:44

Prem wrote:PNS attack: Terrorist were using walkie talkies of NATO forces
http://pn.com.pk/details_en.php?nid=19706

All those attacks on NATO supply trucks that got the Pakistan army protection dollars from Unkil also gave these guys some toys to play with

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jun 2011 05:56

The route to peace is to recognise one's inner self. Once you recognise your inner self, peace will reign. I have received on email the explanation of the Pakistani army's inner self, quite different from the yellow-brown extrusion of Pakistaniyat.

Regarding Maulana's sex tape on jooday of pindli.

Is pindli short for Rawalpindli ?

In Rajasthan, the word Rawala means "women's quarters."

Rawal(a) = (where) women (are sequestered)
Pindli = (the maulana describes it best).

Pakistan Army is aptly HQ'd in Rawalpindli, and that is how we must describe it henceforth.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 02 Jun 2011 06:00

The situation will get worse.

1) The number of infiltrators will increase. It will reach a critical mass, at which point in time they will tip the balance in favor of a rigid, predictable, Islamic terrorist group
2) At the same time their competency will also become a challenge. Their use of more and more sophisticated technologies will pose a problem
3) Strange as it may sound, Pakistan will actually need to re-route much of her resources gathered to be used against India to track and deal with yahoos that threaten the very people that wanted to threaten India. My feel is that this will become the classic lower-people vs. the higher-ups.
4) external entities will track this entire drama and try and keep a lid on the cooking material. Intervention is guaranteed. If the jihadics appear to be winning then it is a foregone conclusion. If the high-ups get the upper hand, since they have no support from down below, intervention will be needed just to keep the nation afloat

JMTs

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Jun 2011 06:18

Rawal(a) = (where) women (are sequestered)
Pindli = (the maulana describes it best).

I think "Pindli" stands for calf. "Rawal" is honorific used by Rajputs e.g. Bappa Rawal. Pindi in Rawalpindi is the name of the Rajput king who founded that city. What surprises me is that how come it hasn't been renamed to some "....bad"?.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jun 2011 06:25

I repeat yet again what I have been saying for the past few weeks.

Pakistan has an agrarian economy. That economy was viable only as long as there was trade with the east (India). An "agrarian economy" is one where most people are farmers or deal with farm products. They cannot suddenly become techies. Pakistan has virtually no manufacturing, services or mineral export economy. The tourism industry is defunct.

This country has been kept alive by infusions of funds from abroad that sustained a high living high spending elite while the "agraian economy" just pulled along. Remove the support and Pakistan has nothing. In the medium to long term the Pakistani economy can be supported ONLY by one nation - India. India is the only country which will buy Pakistani agricultural produce that supports 50% of the Pakistani population. The wealthy west are not importing Pakistani produce. Neither is China. It is cheapest to export stuff 50 km east than 5000 km by sea.

If Pakistanis cannot return to normal and develop a "normal" relationship with India they are fuked. It may already be too late. Pakistan my irretrievably be heading for another split. Pakistaniyat has ensured suicide by creating a set of people who hate and fear India. But India is the only country that can offer life-blood to the people of Pakistan. It would be best to have Pashtunistan and Baluchistan independent and have a rump state which gets international attention for detoxification. It will take 100 years. Just as papa Cohen says.

But I do suggest special aid Packages in exchange for enriched Uranium. The Uranium will be diluted and power Indian reactors.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 02 Jun 2011 06:33

Gagan wrote:The good maulana says
uske kapdon me se uski pindaliyon ka gooda tak nazar ayega
Someone really well versed in punjabi / urdu please explain the words:
Pindaliyon & Gooda.

Gooda I think == mound.
Or is Gooda in urdu ~ Gode in hindi, meaning uterus.

The mulla is even more descriptive here, downright poetic description of the female anatomy. AND he attributes this description to the Prophet.
I don't think that this maulana made all this up, this is something that has been passed down from generations.

Not a 100% sure, but I think it means that you can see the flesh/pulp (gooda) of the organs (pindaliyon). Gooda is used for, eg pulp of a papaya. I did not see the video, but I guess he is referring to the view from down under.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 02 Jun 2011 07:01

But I do suggest special aid Packages in exchange for enriched Uranium. The Uranium will be diluted and power Indian reactors.

Are you sure this will work?

That is no ordinary uranium. It has a religious atom in it. I am not sure it will work in a secular Indian reactors. We may have to import the entire reactor too, to make it work.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jun 2011 07:08

NRao wrote:
But I do suggest special aid Packages in exchange for enriched Uranium. The Uranium will be diluted and power Indian reactors.
Are you sure this will work?

That is no ordinary uranium. It has a religious atom in it. I am not sure it will work in a secular Indian reactors. We may have to import the entire reactor too, to make it work.

I am a physicist with five minutes of training and 2 minutes research on Googal. There is no religious atom in Pakistani Uranium. There is a religious neutron that will destroy nearby kafir atoms. Now what better place is there to put that source of religious neutrons than among the stupid kufr? Hain?

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 02 Jun 2011 07:14

Gagan wrote:The good maulana says: uske kapdon me se uski pindaliyon ka gooda tak nazar ayega

Leg: saq, tang, pindli, paya. Gooda or Goda would be "knee". So in this sentence he is saying: through her clothes you could see her leg all the way up to her knee.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jun 2011 07:22

Airavat wrote:through her clothes you could see her leg all the way up to her knee.

Could you please post a warning before typing pure p0rnographic material such as this?

niran · Post by **niran** » 02 Jun 2011 07:24

Sushupti wrote:
I think "Pindli" stands for calf. "Rawal" is honorific used by Rajputs e.g. Bappa Rawal. Pindi in Rawalpindi is the name of the Rajput king who founded that city. What surprises me is that how come it hasn't been renamed to some "....bad"?.

Pind in Punjabi refers to Village or more specifically to the group of houses of one family,
Rawalpindi means Pind of Rawal == house of Rawal==village of Rawal

Calf== Pindali in Sanskrit,
Pindali== Vaginal area in Punjabi speak spoken North of Lawhore,

South of Lawhore have different Punjabi speak
Punjabi in India is different from those 2 Punjabis

Gooda can be Pulp of anything pulpous

so why did i translated it as Vaginal area and not Calf?
because Maulana Mastram spoke in the tones and used pronunciation as they speak North of Lawhore.

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Jun 2011 07:30

Inter-Services blame shifting in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

The Navy of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan blames the Air Force of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for the security breakdown that permitted the attack on the Mehran Naval base to be carried out:

The Pakistan Navy has laid the responsibility of the PNS Mehran attack on the Pakistan Air Force, a private TV channel reported.

In a press briefing on Monday, the Navy officials said the militants entered the PNS Mehran from the area controlled by the PAF and it was the PAF’s responsibility to guard the area. They said the real target of the militants were two PC-3 Orion aircrafts parked at the base. They said 11 Chinese and six US citizens were present at the base but all of them were evacuated in a bullet-proof vehicle.

From the Nation:

Navy blames PAF for security lapse

amit · Post by **amit** » 02 Jun 2011 07:58

Anantha wrote:
Guys this is Priceless:
Javed Akhtar explains things to a Pakistani on Dawn News.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-D-_-Z98U
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMets71aQgg

Javed Akhtar is a BRFite.
Magnificient!! Each question posed by the bald Paki in a RAPE accent, looks like he is poking a finger in to a Lion's back, and Javed Saab puts a square danda in the Paki's Musharraf each time and rotates it !!

Indeed hats of to Javed Saab. To concentrate on his RSS comment and not on the way he puts the shaft into that supercilious Paki is to miss the woods for the trees. Coming from a fellow Muslim who is supposed to from a country where Muslims are "oppressed" this must hurt the mango Abdul who watched the programme even more - especially the mythical tax paying educated "middle class" which the anchor is talking about.

If anything the one point which Akhtar saab makes that stands out is not his RSS comment but the one in which he says the Muslims in India are more free to follow their faith than in any Muslim country in the world as this is the only place where all denominations of Muslims can peacefully follow their customs without fear or hindrance.

amit · Post by **amit** » 02 Jun 2011 08:02

niran wrote:
Sushupti wrote:
I think "Pindli" stands for calf. "Rawal" is honorific used by Rajputs e.g. Bappa Rawal. Pindi in Rawalpindi is the name of the Rajput king who founded that city. What surprises me is that how come it hasn't been renamed to some "....bad"?.
Pind in Punjabi refers to Village or more specifically to the group of houses of one family,
Rawalpindi means Pind of Rawal == house of Rawal==village of Rawal

Calf== Pindali in Sanskrit,
Pindali== Vaginal area in Punjabi speak spoken North of Lawhore,

South of Lawhore have different Punjabi speak
Punjabi in India is different from those 2 Punjabis

Gooda can be Pulp of anything pulpous

so why did i translated it as Vaginal area and not Calf?
because Maulana Mastram spoke in the tones and used pronunciation as they speak North of Lawhore.

One thing that struck me when I saw the video was if the good Mulana knows that his 72 hoors are getting hot waiting for him in their 72 layers of clothing, what the fuk is he still doing living in the hell hole? I mean all he needs to do is get a soosai vest and blow himself up. Is he still around because he's yet to get all the pleasures that the 72 pre-pubescent boys in his Madrassa can give him?

Yoh hoors and wannabe hoors please note that you've got competition in this world!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Jun 2011 08:03

Can't the PN and the PAF declare Jihad against each other within Mehran?

One's holy warriors vs the other's holy warriors.

They could conduct raids against each other's Tarmac's, hide terrorists and then deny that they are on their side, hijack each other's plane to demand ranson, release of captured soldiers etc?

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 02 Jun 2011 08:07

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/01/world ... &ref=world
"India and Pakistan Fail to Resolve Glacier Dispute at Talks
NEW DELHI — The slow, uncertain efforts to normalize relations between India and Pakistan apparently made little progress on Tuesday, after defense secretaries from both countries failed to deliver a breakthrough on demilitarizing a Himalayan glacier considered the world’s highest battlefield.
The two-day meetings in New Delhi were part of wider-ranging discussions under way between India and Pakistan over issues including trade, water rights, terrorism and the fate of the disputed region of Kashmir. Analysts had expressed guarded optimism that some progress was possible on the glacier dispute, yet Tuesday’s talks ended with only a pledge for further talks in Islamabad, Pakistan’s capital, at some point....."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/01/world ... ?ref=world
"Pakistani Journalist Who Covered Security and Terrorism Is Found Dead
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A well-known Pakistani journalist has been found dead after being abducted over the weekend in an upscale neighborhood here and receiving repeated threats from Pakistan’s premier intelligence agency.
The journalist, Syed Saleem Shahzad, 41, wrote predominantly about security and terrorism issues for the Hong Kong-based Asia Times Online and the Italian news agency Adnkronos International. He disappeared Sunday evening in the center of this capital just two days after writing an article suggesting that a militant attack on the navy’s main base in Karachi on May 22 was carried out because the navy was trying to crack down on cells from Al Qaeda that had infiltrated the force.
Pakistan’s armed forces, specifically the navy, have been highly embarrassed by the 16-hour battle that ensued at the base when six attackers climbed over a wall and blew up two American-made naval surveillance planes. Ten people were killed in the attack, and American and Chinese technicians working on the base only narrowly escaped injury as they were driven out through a hail of bullets......"

Gautam

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jun 2011 08:11

Pakistanis want more Islamization and in one go: Poll

A majority of Pakistanis favour the government taking steps for the "Islamisation" of society and almost a third of them believe the process should be completed in one go, according to new survey. A total of 67 per cent replied in the affirmative when they were asked during the survey carried out by Gallup Pakistan whether the government should take steps to "Islamise" the society.

Only 13 per cent said they believed there is no need for "Islamisation" while 20 per cent gave no response.

Forty eight per cent of respondents said steps to Islamise the society "should be taken one by one" while 31 per cent said the "steps should be taken at once". Twenty one per cent gave no response to a question on the process of Islamisation.

The study was carried out by Gallup Pakistan, the affiliate of Gallup International.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Jun 2011 08:14

The question is, why repeatedly keep on having talks on Siachen?

New Delhi must know that the Pakistanis don't want to acknowledge the AGPL.
Without this and a treaty putting that position down clearly, there can't be a deal.

Why this exercise then? One should just use a telephone call and ask them if they are willing to accept where the agpl lies, if they do, then invite them for talks etc.

I suspect the need for talks is yet another CMB, so that people from the two sides can actually see each other in flesh and blood across the table. So that familiarity is built up between the relevant people of the two sides.

Otherwise that this was a chai-biskoot session was plain to see. Though I maintain that the Pakistanis tried to bring in their 'MFN-status-by-october' just before the talks to try and get MMS to influence the outcome of these talks.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jun 2011 08:23

archan wrote: That begs the question. We have no reason to believe that SSS was not a Allah fearing, good Muslim. Killing a good Muslim is a huge crime in Islam. So the ISI officers who killed him committed blasphemy? I just wonder how does a common religious Pakistani reconcile with these issues?

Archan saheb, you might have already seen a couple of replies to your questions. Here is my take too.

Firstly, I agree with Shiv that Islam is used as a convenient stick to beat others with. I will just add that it is so used not only in Pakistan but in the entire ummahdom.

SSS might have been a Allah-fearing man or not, we do not know that. What we know for certain is that for every such Allah-fearing man/woman, there is at least another more Allah-fearing man/woman who claims he/she follows the rules even more rigorously. That gives the latter the right to brand the former as a takfiri and eliminate him/her. It is therefore not a crime as you seem to believe. All that the ISI officer has to believe is that he was a better Muslim than the poor SSS. He had every opportunity to become a better Muslim but SSS never reformed himself. That is reason enough to make him eligible for wajib-ul-qatl. This is why Islamist nations have historically had no peace and have been prone to bloody civil war and usurpation of power. The ruler has to be really strong and ruthless to survive or enter into a pact with the ulema.

vic · Post by **vic** » 02 Jun 2011 08:26

Gagan wrote:Can't the PN and the PAF declare Jihad against each other within Mehran?

One's holy warriors vs the other's holy warriors.

They could conduct raids against each other's Tarmac's, hide terrorists and then deny that they are on their side, hijack each other's plane to demand ranson, release of captured soldiers etc?

Reminds of a Book called Catch 22. Soon PAF & PN will start destroying their own bases to keep things simple.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 02 Jun 2011 08:31

Gagan wrote:Guys this is Priceless:
Javed Akhtar explains things to a Pakistani on Dawn News.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-D-_-Z98U
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMets71aQgg

Edited: Removed one line

This was good.
Thanks

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Jun 2011 08:38

ISI must have found SSS guilty of Fitna , creating hurdle in establishing Pawkistan as new Medina. Islamic State of Pakistan have the right to take his life to stop the fasad.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 02 Jun 2011 08:39

Gagan wrote:The question is, why repeatedly keep on having talks on Siachen?

New Delhi must know that the Pakistanis don't want to acknowledge the AGPL.
Without this and a treaty putting that position down clearly, there can't be a deal.

Why this exercise then? One should just use a telephone call and ask them if they are willing to accept where the agpl lies, if they do, then invite them for talks etc......................................

Maybe its a chankian way to remind the TSPA of their defeat ( I know Indian leaders are not that chankian by nature) , a kick to their H&D never hurt us. The pics from the siachen meeting were pleasing too

PS - I have no love lost for J Akhtar but this did make a point to the RAPE journalist only if this was on some urdu channel where laal peeli topiwaale chacha was also a part of the debate then it would have been fun. The english speaking pakis are a minority (which are going to be extinct soon too

)

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Jun 2011 08:46

Apparently SSS autopsy report reveals (according to Najam Sethi's tweets) that the 6th rib on one side and 10th rib on the other broken due to kicks or rod hits which punctured his lungs causing death.

Your take Hakeem-ji?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jun 2011 08:46

Gagan wrote:The question is, why repeatedly keep on having talks on Siachen? . . . I suspect the need for talks is yet another CMB, so that people from the two sides can actually see each other in flesh and blood across the table. So that familiarity is built up between the relevant people of the two sides.

Otherwise that this was a chai-biskoot session was plain to see. Though I maintain that the Pakistanis tried to bring in their 'MFN-status-by-october' just before the talks to try and get MMS to influence the outcome of these talks.

Gagan, IMO any resolution of Siachen would be advantageous to Pakistan. Pakistan is trying to maximize its advantages. Nothing would be better for it than not agreeing to authenticated positions. Hence it is adamantly sticking to that. But, suppose it suddenly turns around and agrees to AGPL and ground markings, what would be India's reaction ? India withdraws and Pakistan, over a period of time, occupies all positions on Saltoro and then creep into Siachen. We cannot re-take these positions. It is axiomatic that Pakistan will do that perfidious thing especially with China's interests in this region and possibly even with the Chinese help. The Pakistani tactic appears to me to be inflexible for some more time on AGPL but suddenly agree to that later on putting the ball squarely back in our court. Can we trust Pakistan to keep its side of the bargain once that happens ? Do we have real time intelligence in these forbidding areas to detect their betrayal at the earliest and nip the moves in the bud ? What would be the cost ? What about the morale of the IA which has lost precious lives to achieve the dominance it has today ? What does relinquishing this dominance bring to us ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jun 2011 08:57

SSridhar wrote:
SSS might have been a Allah-fearing man or not, we do not know that. What we know for certain is that for every such Allah-fearing man/woman, there is at least another more Allah-fearing man/woman who claims he/she follows the rules even more rigorously. That gives the latter the right to brand the former as a takfiri and eliminate him/her. It is therefore not a crime as you seem to believe. All that the ISI officer has to believe is that he was a better Muslim than the poor SSS. He had every opportunity to become a better Muslim but SSS never reformed himself. That is reason enough to make him eligible for wajib-ul-qatl. This is why Islamist nations have historically had no peace and have been prone to bloody civil war and usurpation of power. The ruler has to be really strong and ruthless to survive or enter into a pact with the ulema.

Sridhar I had written a simple computer program to game the results of increasing the number of non Muslims a population of Muslims and plotted the results on a graph. The entire things still exists on the modeling geostrategy thread and fits in with what Javed Akhtar says in his video

The post is here
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 48#p608348

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jun 2011 09:08

Anujan wrote:Apparently SSS autopsy report reveals (according to Najam Sethi's tweets) that the 6th rib on one side and 10th rib on the other broken due to kicks or rod hits which punctured his lungs causing death.

Your take Hakeem-ji?

Plausible cause of death. Both sides kicked in. 10th rib on right can injure liver and cause bleeding, 10th on left side can injure spleen and cause bleeding. Najam's explanation would be wrong as per his own tweet if both sides have been kicked in.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Jun 2011 09:13

B Raman says:
WAS SALEEM SHAHZAD ON TRAIL OF ISI MEN BEHIND OBL’S STAY AT ABBOTTABAD?

8. Shahzad said in the first part of his investigative report: “Asia Times Online contacts confirm that the attackers were from Ilyas Kashmiri's 313 Brigade, the operational arm of al-Qaeda.” He alleged that “Al-Qaeda carried out the brazen attack on PNS Mehran naval air station in Karachi on May 22 after talks failed between the navy and al-Qaeda over the release of naval officials arrested on suspicion of al-Qaeda links.”

9. He had also indicated at the end of the first part of his despatch that the second part would cover “the recruitment and training of militants.”

11. Subsequently, after the terrorist attack on the so-called German Bakery in Pune in February 2010, Shahzad was in receipt of a message purporting to be from Ilyas indirectly hinting that the 313 Brigade had a role in the Pune attack. Shahzad had written about it in Asia Times.

15. Thus both the ISI and the 313 Brigade had a common motive for having him eliminated. Was their decision to eliminate him only related to his story on the Mehran attack or was there more to it? Whoever took the decision to eliminate him was in a desperate hurry. He was kidnapped within 48 hours of the first part being published. He would have most probably despatched the second part in the week beginning May 30. His captors wanted to do away with him before that.

16. Well-informed contacts in the Pakistani Police say that his kidnapping and murder were related not only to his investigation into the Mehran attack, but also his investigation into the local support base of OBL which facilitated his undetected stay for over five years at Abbottabad. His investigations post-May 2 were dangerously moving in that direction. His discovery of the penetration of the Navy by Al Qaeda was only the first step in his investigation. According to these police sources, he was digging deeper into OBL’s support base.

17. To have waited till he found out the details would have been suicidal for the ISI. The Police sources suspect that the ISI joined hands with the 313 Brigade to eliminate him before he made any progress in the matter.

read it all.

sum · Post by **sum** » 02 Jun 2011 09:15

Myth, might and misery

Life goes on, the smog-smeared and heat weary stalwarts of Karachi will tell you again and again. You will hear the mantra muttered proudly in wedding halls packed with biryani craving hundreds, on the lips of the McDonalds delivery man bearing MacArabias at your bidding, in the chatty afterthoughts of the legless beggar after he has cornered his daily, even in the purposefully accented Urdu of a Chanel infused society begum. Repetition is the key to denial: and at least in the collective exercise of pushing ahead with their plans Karachites are united. But like so much else in Pakistan, the obsessive performance of normalcy is an illusion. In recent months, no fewer than several thousand of this city's residents have been felled in a bloodthirsty political rivalry between Muhajirs who settled here after Partition and the continuous stream of Pashtuns pouring into the city from the drone weary villages of Pakistan's North West. The former control the land and the latter transportation; without one there is nowhere to go and without the other no way of getting there. In perpetually smouldering Karachi, tracking the daily smoke plumes to stores or buses reveals which migrants new or old have inched ahead in an interminable conflict that devotedly demands funeral congregations at dusk.

The attack

It takes a bit to stun a city so wracked with violence and so dutiful in its commitment to remaining unaffected by catastrophe. The waxing hours of the weekend of May 20 proved that it could be done. In the late evening, barely freed from the clutches of an infernal weekend, which saw at 46°Celsius the hottest day in 30 years, a band of men scaled a few walls, skipped across a dry river bed and managed to destroy planes worth millions. The battle between the terrorists and naval commandoes at PNS Mehran lasted all night, the shots and blasts could be heard in houses all around, familiar sounds now housed in a new location. Sounds of the fighting echoed around families snatching shreds of rest in makeshift beds on sun baked roofs. Most had been without power for over a week, already victimised by a strike by Karachi Electric Supply Corporation.

But the interesting part:

It was believed to have good security, a conclusion erected on the flanks of the official looking burgundy lettering fanning the arched entrance, the solemn duo of guards stuck to its sides. Unlike other naval bases in the city that have thrown their lawns open for valimas and Iftars, PNS Mehran has remained off limits to upstart Karachiites always on the hunt for cheaply rented party venues.

PNS Mehran was apparently more well guarded than other bases and there was no public ceremonies etc allowed in Mehran unlike in other PN stations...

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Jun 2011 09:39

90 m #Pakistanis are under 21 yrs old, we must invest in education so they can be productive, lift economy - ShujaNawaz on #CharlieRose

http://twitter.com/#!/beenasarwar/statu ... 8792373248

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 02 Jun 2011 09:57

Twenty five Pakistani forces killed after cross-border raid

ISLAMABAD: Twenty five Pakistani security forces have been killed in northwest Pakistan in fighting that erupted after about 200 militants crossed over from Afghanistan and attacked a security checkpost, a government official said on Thursday.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 02 Jun 2011 10:14

amit wrote:
Guys this is Priceless:
Javed Akhtar explains things to a Pakistani on Dawn News.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-D-_-Z98U
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMets71aQgg

Javed Akhtar is a BRFite.
Magnificient!! Each question posed by the bald Paki in a RAPE accent, looks like he is poking a finger in to a Lion's back, and Javed Saab puts a square danda in the Paki's Musharraf each time and rotates it !!

Indeed hats of to Javed Saab. To concentrate on his RSS comment and not on the way he puts the shaft into that supercilious Paki is to miss the woods for the trees. Coming from a fellow Muslim who is supposed to from a country where Muslims are "oppressed" this must hurt the mango Abdul who watched the programme even more - especially the mythical tax paying educated "middle class" which the anchor is talking about.

If anything the one point which Akhtar saab makes that stands out is not his RSS comment but the one in which he says the Muslims in India are more free to follow their faith than in any Muslim country in the world as this is the only place where all denominations of Muslims can peacefully follow their customs without fear or hindrance.

Sorry! Again partly BS peddled by JA.
Half the Time Javed Akhtar was running down RSS in this interview. I mean sure talk about Pakistan but why drag RSS in the discussion. RSS is not and was not a political organization like ML. They were not demanding separate country or went on killing spree in 1947.
As you listen closely, all he is doing is equal-equal between RSS and ML.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 Jun 2011 10:30

We have to grant a long rope to Javed-saab. After all as a die hard leftist he will say what he said. But the fact is the bald headed Pakbarian jehadi terroist idiot whose hair probably occupies the space the brain should have, was defending the indefensible and was shown as such. He was trying to argue that only hindus are communal whereas they are perfectly normal. Javed demolished that argument.

He is also right in saying being religious is not pre-requisite for being 'communal' (in his 'liberal' definition which is means anyone that dares to speak up for his religion)...that's very very true. Perhaps some of the posters in this forum are living examples of that...

The only part where he is seriously wrong is to say 0.01 = 99.99% and therefore it is ==. As surveys and polls have repeatedly shown and further proven on daily basis, barbaric animalism and fanatic barbarianism and jehadi terrorism are the norm in Pakistan. Humanity is in short supply there. That is why 500 mullabaric animals who were praised as 'moderates' joined together to praise Qadri for assassinating the Punjab Governor.

The most rabidly communal Indian is perhaps about the same as a liberal Pakistani. Javed, by denying that is committing a huge blunder.

sum · Post by **sum** » 02 Jun 2011 10:35

ISLAMABAD: Twenty five Pakistani security forces have been killed in northwest Pakistan in fighting that erupted after about 200 militants crossed over from Afghanistan and attacked a security checkpost, a government official said on Thursday.

reverse strategic depth in play?

Why are Afghan Talibs ( "the good taliban" as per TSP) attacking TSP?

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 02 Jun 2011 10:38

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -bill.html

Paedophile Pakistani illegal immigrant case leaves £100k legal bill

Don't you just love the headline ?

A paedophile illegal immigrant who was allowed to stay in Britain claiming deportation would breach his human rights has finally deported from the UK

Jo Pakistan mein Gaandu woh .......

The convicted sex offender had been jailed for five years and eight months in August 2007 after he was convicted of child abduction, sexual activity with a child and supplying youngsters with ecstasy after he lured two girls into a sex trap.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 02 Jun 2011 10:40

ISLAMABAD—Twenty five Pakistani security forces have been killed in northwest Pakistan in fighting that erupted after about 200 militants crossed over from Afghanistan and attacked a security check post, a government official said on Thursday.

Skirmishes had been going on for 24 hours in a village in Dir region, Ghulam Mohammad Khan, a top local government official, said by telephone.

“We are preparing to evacuate 25 bodies from the village,” he said, referring to police and paramilitary forces killed in the fighting that spread to a forest.

The militants had arrived in a pre-dawn operation on Wednesday dressed in military uniforms and killed one policeman. {who says they cant be actual TSPA armymen? Did they forget Mehran?}

LINK

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 Jun 2011 10:43

The only way to stop this would be to stop soldiers from growing long beards - now how can a army that has official motto of jihad do that?