Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Jun 2011 17:10

amit wrote:
VikramS wrote:On the contrary, if he had refused to accept the =/= the effectiveness of the message would have been significantly diluted in the eyes of the intended audience. JA displayed outstanding context sensitivity.
Very well put. That's the point which is being missed here. If he had been apologetic or less caustic about RSS the bigger message, which IMO is that the Indian Muslims are the most free in the entire Muslim world - which is the biggest H&D kick that the Paki can get - was conveyed very forcefully with the example of Ahmediyyas being bought up by JA saab.

In a war one needs to choose one's weapons carefully.

So it is ok to demonize an institution as long as it fits one's message, huh?

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 02 Jun 2011 17:14

Was Saleem Shahzad on trail of ISI men behind Osama's stay at Abbottabad?
B Raman

Well-informed contacts in the Pakistani Police say that his kidnapping and murder were related not only to his investigation into the Mehran attack, but also his investigation into the local support base of OBL which facilitated his undetected stay for over five years at Abbottabad. His investigations post-May 2 were dangerously moving in that direction. His discovery of the penetration of the Navy by Al Qaeda was only the first step in his investigation. According to these police sources, he was digging deeper into OBL’s support base.

To have waited till he found out the details would have been suicidal for the ISI. The Police sources suspect that the ISI joined hands with the 303 Brigade to eliminate him before he made any progress in the matter.

The “real” truth will never be known just as the “real” truth behind the murder of Murtaza Bhutto in Karachi in 1996 and behind the murder of Benazir Bhutto at Rawalpindi in 2007 was never known.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jun 2011 17:28

Raja Ram wrote:. . . and sometimes dare I say, even encouraged them (in 1971 for example). They have a lot to hide themselves.

Raja Ram, they were directly complicit with the ISI in the Indian Punjab terrorism in the 80s.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 02 Jun 2011 17:40

RamaY wrote:
amit wrote:quote="VikramS"]On the contrary, if he had refused to accept the =/= the effectiveness of the message would have been significantly diluted in the eyes of the intended audience. JA displayed outstanding context sensitivity./quote]

Very well put. That's the point which is being missed here. If he had been apologetic or less caustic about RSS the bigger message, which IMO is that the Indian Muslims are the most free in the entire Muslim world - which is the biggest H&D kick that the Paki can get - was conveyed very forcefully with the example of Ahmediyyas being bought up by JA saab.

In a war one needs to choose one's weapons carefully.
So it is ok to demonize an institution as long as it fits one's message, huh?

Saar, forget institution, people of one religion have Democised by the Fiathful west of the Border and by Secular crowd east of the Border. so it is Kosher for them- so whats new? India low growth rate- Hindu rate of Growth(rule bu secular INC). Female Infanticide- Hindu religion and BJP followers (especially true in places like Kashmir Valley and in Haryana).

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Jun 2011 17:48

Hyper patriotic non-Hindus distrust the RSS: that is a fact. RSS rhetoric makes them feel like second class citizens. Deal with it.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 02 Jun 2011 17:55

Well said A_Gupta. While many on BR can understand and relate to where the RSS comes from and the significance of a Hindu Right Wing, it does not change the fact that Right Wingers will inspire some fear among the minority.

RamaY: I went through both the videos again. I feel your concerns are misplaced, especially when you consider the context in which the statements were made. Let us leave it here. This was JA demolishing the entire basis of the Pakistani existence along all possible angles. Enjoy it.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 02 Jun 2011 17:57

A_Gupta wrote:Hyper patriotic non-Hindus distrust the RSS: that is a fact. RSS rhetoric makes them feel like second class citizens. Deal with it.

INC, DMK , CPI(M), IUML rhetoric makes me and many in India feel like a second class citizen, that does not mean I go to Pakis and state they are mas murderers.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 02 Jun 2011 17:58

Aditya: Did you listen to the videos at all?

And what stops you from criticizing all you are afraid off? We have multiple threads devoted to doing exactly the same.

Please end this discussion.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 02 Jun 2011 18:09

On this thread, anyways....

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Jun 2011 18:13

riot act will read on this thread any time now, take the hint people.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 02 Jun 2011 18:14

It's a good video. But one error I can point out is that he says the RSS supports the two nation theory. I think it was wrong and if someone who must have supported it, it must have been Nehru. And again if the RSS supports the two nation theory, then why the secularists say Gandhi was killed by an RSS supporter who felt that Gandhi was pro-partition? Seems someone is wrong somewhere. Both these cannot be true.

Also if he meant that Arabian ideology oh forgive me, it was more a persons ideology who was from Arab peninsula, why should India adopt such an idea that it feels is not in the best interest of the people of India. Why should India restrict it's freedom loving and enjoying citizens? Adopting an ideology is different. Here India did not need any foreign ideology. And if they become Hindu in some way or the other, it's welcome. or even if it's is distinct but don't have any problems to live side by side others. No problem. But otherwise, India cannot accept fundamentalist ideas in any manner.
Now who is a right wing Hindu? Is there a right wing in Hinduism? or is a right wing Hindu is the extremely staunch secularist, who cannot tolerate ideologies that say "you are different from me" or "your god is different from me, hence you're different from me"?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 02 Jun 2011 18:16

Once again, this is the TIRP thread... Take the discussion elsewhere please.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 02 Jun 2011 18:16

Suppiah wrote:The most rabidly communal Indian is perhaps about the same as a liberal Pakistani. Javed, by denying that is committing a huge blunder.

Almost a decade ago I was discussing, with a Pakistani, the rabid people on both sides of the border. He laughed, seriously he did, at the intensity of "rabiness" in India - which was not much according to him. He said the rabid people in India would have no match for the rabid in Pakistan. And this was 10+ years ago, imagine how it must be now with Deepavalli being celebrated in every city every day. Onlee a giant 10,000 wallah needs to be dhamaked to end the misery.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 02 Jun 2011 18:19

JE Menon wrote:On this thread, anyways....

On which thread is discussing the RSS allowed ? Would like some education on this fascinating topic from AGupta, Vikram and other worthies.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 02 Jun 2011 18:23

Don't know boss. Look around. Or start one, and keep it under control so that one does not require intervention.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 Jun 2011 18:25

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shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jun 2011 19:22

Looking at Pakistan today I get the feeling that they were swimming in the sewer all these years sustained only in the knowledge that they were also causing pain to India and that India was getting no support from anyone about Paki terrorism. As long as India was feeling pain it was OK for Pakistanis to eat shit with enthusiasm. Pakistanis could be made to eat shit if they were told that kafirs are suffering. When India stops feeling pain - the shit that Pakistan eats becomes less tasty.
In that sense 9-11 was a game changer. But 9-11 itself came when Paki attempts to push into Cashmere had come to naught. Same guys. Same training. different country. Allah ho Akbar.

In this connection I found an interesting paragraph from an old edition of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists

Just read the first para in this screen grab. Matter is to antimatter as this text is to dhoti shivering

Kelik on thumbnail

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Jun 2011 19:49

Don't malign us: ISI on journalist's killing

Clearly embarrassed by disclosures that two ISI officials had used threatening language against Shahzad, the unnamed official said it was the agency's 'mandate to remain in touch with the journalist community'.

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The official admitted that ISI, which is known to function as a state within a state, did summon Shahzad, who wrote extensively on Islamists, on Oct 17, 2010.

'(A) meeting was held ... to discuss a story he had done for Asia Online on Oct 15 and the meeting had nothing sinister about it,' the official said. 'It is part of the (ISI's) mandate to remain in touch with the journalist community. The main objective behind all such interactions is provision of accurate information on matters of national security.

'ISI also makes it a point to notify institutions and individuals alike of any threat warning received about them,' he was quoted as saying.

The ISI official said 'the reported e-mail of Shahzad to Ali Hasan Dayan of HRW (Human Rights Watch) which is being made the basis of baseless allegations levelled against ISI has no veiled or unveiled threats in it'.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 02 Jun 2011 19:58

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Dawn media group chief blasts ISI over journo's death http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... th/798470/

Months before his disappearance, Shahzad sent an email to Human Rights Watch (HRW) researcher Ali Dayan Hasan in which he referred to threats he had received from the ISI.

However, the ISI official yesterday questioned the "baseless allegations" levelled by HRW on the basis of Shahzad's email.

Haroon said in his statement that Shahzad had sent three identical emails to HRW, his employers Asia Times Online and to his former employer (Haroon).

"I also wish to verify that allegations levied by HRW at the ISI are essentially in complete consonance with the contents of the slain journalist's email," he said.

"Whatever the substance of these allegations, they form an integral part of Mr Shahzad's last testimony.

"Shahzad's purpose in transmitting this information to three concerned colleagues in the media was not to defame the ISI but to avert a possible fulfilment of what he clearly perceived to be a death threat," Haroon said.

Shahzad had last informed Haroon about the death threats in an email sent on October 18, 2010, the publisher said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jun 2011 20:04

VikramS wrote:Rajiv Lather ji:

I have always wondered why the TSP got off so easy for 9/11. And the US hasn't really held anyone responsible in the truest sense. Too many Americans have been killed and hundreds of billions spent trying to keep up this major non-NATO ally facade. The Dead, the Dollars, and the Duplicity needs to be avenged.

PS: Hamid Gul has postulated the 3-Ds for dealing with the US: Defiance, Deterrence and Dialog.

Most of the warhawks in US govt bought the Paki line that they were abandoned. And hence the soft line adopted. The US was more than eager to forget and forgive the TSP for its role in GOAT. And sided with them against India in many forums. They bought the line that Indian assistance to Afghanistan is a malafide act vis a vis TSP and curtailed Indian role repeatedly. By now Afghanistan could have a well developed military force and civil infrastructure. The nonsense of good and bad Taliban was created to appease the TSP. Note Mullah Barader was arrested by US on TSP tip-off to prevent him from talking to Karzai!

A big change we are not comprehending is the effect of Holebroke going to the great Jahanum. We see the change on BO admin after his demise. That worthy even on death bed was pleading to Paki doctor (as if he had any infulence in the matter!) to persuade TSP to come halfway to support the US.

They also tried for a low cost apporach by driving the Taiban into TSP for demilitarization and re-integration. However TSP nurtured the snakes and created more types for realizing their thwarted visions. The US poured ~$20B over ten years and who knows how much in discounted military hardware more useful agaisnt India than the GOAT.

The average Joe Sixpack is livid with TSP perfidy of hiding OBL while taking US money which is costing the US taxpayers and citizenry with reduced opprotunities. This anger is percolating upwards.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 02 Jun 2011 20:13

Rajiv Lather wrote:Think it is time for me to shut up. But would like to draw attention to something:

the Americans show this strange behavior - it is ok for lies, back-stabbing etc as long as matter concerned remains in the realm of espionage, even if general public is aware of it. But all bets are off once it becomes officially 'public'.

After Abbotabad it is payback time for 9/11. Americans dont do things in half measures, once they make up their mind they go all the way.

And add to this the fact that ISI/TSPA have been too successful - their success has exceeded their own expectations.

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May be OT but can't help observing that there is a kind of == between America and Pakis with respect to aversion to open takedown of H&D, as noted above. The reason for this seems to lie in good old fashioned tribal chieftain symbolism: if you have pretensions to being the boss-man, then losing H&D openly is bad because aam aadmi, or aam client country, will stop obeying you. On the other hand, in the covert chess game of power politics, H&D has no place, as it is all give-and-take only and both parties understand that.

The reason India doesn't fit into this picture, and is treated as a stubborn impediment by both sides is that India simply isn't playing the power game; just wants to be left alone.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 02 Jun 2011 20:20

Tomorrow is Fridin

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 Jun 2011 20:22

Betting pool.

What will be the score be for tomorrow.

> 10
>20
>30
>100

What will it be.

You will get your.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Jun 2011 20:23

tomorrow will be a high scoring din, i can feel it in my waters...

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 Jun 2011 20:25

Suppiah wrote:
Wondering how the training for spot-the-militant session will go

General: Abduls, now we teach you how to identify militants and not mix them up with others..first clue is they are very pious, grow beards, pray all the time and speak of global jihad in the path shown by rasool..
Sipahi Abdul: Well that covers about 80% of our barracks jarnail-saab..
General: They kill women and children..
Abdul 2: Like we were asked to in lal masjid, Balochistan and elsewhere? We are much better at it! We just finished off some Chechen women that were not even armed!
General: And they dont wear uniform when they go on attacks..
Abdul 3: Thats what we did in Kargil
General: They try to divide Muslims into sects and kill Muslims
Abdul 4: Isn't that the official policy of our pure state? Or can I tell my Ahmediya friend he is now free to practice his religion and join the army?
General: They take money from Kufrs and use that against Muslims
Abdul 5: Are you referring to American money given to our army top brass?
General: They are yeevil..they drink alcohol and do drugs
Abdul 6: Kill this General...

Hmmm.............

If my kompooter maniter meets its 72 due to one of your posts. Please be on notice that I will bill you for it.

Now, on to serious business

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 02 Jun 2011 20:27

harbans wrote:Didn't the US understand what Pakistan really is? I don't thing that their eyes and ears were not keeping their leadership duly informed.

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Krishna Menons' sanctimonious hour long sermons in the UN did'nt help either.

I think we are too quick to buy into other countries' disparagement of Hon. Krishna Menon's speech as sanctimonious. We need to come to our own judgment about our own leaders and intellectuals. I have read the speech, and I think it is a brilliant early documentation of Pakiness that belongs in the TSP thread intro archival documents. So what if it is long? Did the UN have anything better to do with its time than to listen to one of India's finest minds expound?

It might also explain the institutional memory of South Block, and suggest why they will never go beyond chai-biskoot in giving anything to Pakistan, unless they are forced to do so, by nothing less than the PMO, or by internal subversion. Also, why we can trust the present NSA, insofar as anyone in high position can be trusted.

By the way, "sanctimonious" literally means "as if only I am (in this case India is) holy and by implication the rest of you are scoundrels or idiots". Not very different from how we on BRF feel about India vis-a-vis the other players.

And Hon. Menon's speech was 8 hours (!) not 1 hour.

MR. V. K. KRISHNA MENON'S MARATHON SPEECH LASTING FOR EIGHT HOURS

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 Jun 2011 20:40

Pratyush wrote: If my kompooter maniter meets its 72 due to one of your posts. Please be on notice that I will bill you for it.

Which one was that? Perhaps it was sold by a Paki

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 Jun 2011 20:42

KLNMurthy wrote: It might also explain the institutional memory of South Block, and suggest why they will never go beyond chai-biskoot in giving anything to Pakistan, unless they are forced to do so, by nothing less than the PMO, or by internal subversion.

Long before that they would leak juicy details to the opposition, killing any proposal in its womb...

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 02 Jun 2011 21:01

RamaY wrote:
amit wrote:
Very well put. That's the point which is being missed here. If he had been apologetic or less caustic about RSS the bigger message, which IMO is that the Indian Muslims are the most free in the entire Muslim world - which is the biggest H&D kick that the Paki can get - was conveyed very forcefully with the example of Ahmediyyas being bought up by JA saab.

In a war one needs to choose one's weapons carefully.
So it is ok to demonize an institution as long as it fits one's message, huh?

Aside from knee-jerk demonization of RSS etc. (arguably, if Javed didn't do that, the argument would get much too nuanced for the Paki sitting in front of him), the big problem I have with Javed and other standard-issue patriotic seculars is that they remain blind to the monstrosity of what Pakiness wrought in modern times, starting with Direct Action, moving on to Bangladesh '71 and still continuing unchallenged. It is like a collective moral compass simply yawned, said, I have done enough work today, and went to bed.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Jun 2011 21:12

JE Menon wrote:Acharya,

>>They want power and want to dominate the region. They also want to create the large global Islamic power center and own the muslim world. The delusion is biggerThis is absolutely on the money. This is what the "West" generally find hard to believe, that this hopelessly deluded and incompetent mercenary state can have ambitions "beyond its station". However, the reality is being internalised, force fed by the jihadis in and out of uniform, but it is being internalised. The CIA, which is very much on the frontline in ALL respects, has been the first to realise and act upon it... And Foggy Bottom, true to name, will probably be the last to get it.

Call this Punjabi Muslaman Syndrome =PMS of Pakistan . Its a creation Raj days.

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 02 Jun 2011 21:15

amit wrote:
Indeed hats of to Javed Saab. To concentrate on his RSS comment and not on the way he puts the shaft into that supercilious Paki is to miss the woods for the trees. Coming from a fellow Muslim who is supposed to from a country where Muslims are "oppressed" this must hurt the mango Abdul who watched the programme even more - especially the mythical tax paying educated "middle class" which the anchor is talking about.

If anything the one point which Akhtar saab makes that stands out is not his RSS comment but the one in which he says the Muslims in India are more free to follow their faith than in any Muslim country in the world as this is the only place where all denominations of Muslims can peacefully follow their customs without fear or hindrance.

Amitji, aapne mere muu ki baat cheen li..... this is exactly what i wanted to say..... such well articulated rebuttals from successful IM's is kick in the face of the RAPE's..... i think Javed Saab had to call RSS a fascist org to drive thru the point of this is all "communal" and not "religious" issues and to do an == with Muslim Leage..... people who have flown kites will understand the metaphor that pench ladate hue dheel deni padti hai doosre ki patang kaatne ke pehle (i.e. while doing a kite fight you have to ease up on your kite position a little thereby giving you a leverage to pull in the end and there by cutting the other kites thread)

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 02 Jun 2011 21:19

A little bit of "controlled glee" is called for when talking about deaths and predictions. While Pakistan undergoing takleef after takleef gives us immense joy, let us not get too casual when talking about deaths of human beings. Let us not turn into the enemies we despise.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 02 Jun 2011 21:22

Those who are familiar with the Bollywood Filmi Duniya of the 50's and 60's know that a lot of the artistes and others were communists or fellow-travellers. Javed Akhtar, wife Shabhana Azmi (her parents were card-carrying members of CPI), Teesta Setelvad's hubby Javed Annand, Jewish actor David, and even Raj Kapoor. Another Javed of the far-left is of course, Javed Naqvi, Dawn India correspondent.
For them the enemy is facism. RSS equals enemy, therefore RSS is facist. Unfortunately, their selective memories ignore the fact that both Soviet and Chinese communism were more facist - one party state, one supremo-leader, party controlling every aspect of an individual's life, etc. than their bogey of RSS (which has ruled India through their political wing, BJP in a most democratic manner).
Javed Akhtar political views should be ignored, as you would ignore the political views of anyone else from Bollywood.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 02 Jun 2011 21:28

I don't see why people are having orga5ms over JA's comments made to some Pawki( haven't seen the video yet), even if JA Pwned the other guy what bl00dy difference does it make? A pawki is immune to reality, all the Pawkis I have met believe that they won 4 wars with India, defeated the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and that Pawkistan would have been a superpower if not for Zardari and the Joos. If the idea is that JA made Pawkis see the reality then that idea falls flat on its face. JA's comments would be dismissed as the comments of a lower caste Muslim trying to please his Hindu masters in India.
Pawkistan is beyond redemption, the only solution is a break up of Pawkistan and Brinda Karat type of detoxification of text books campaign.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 02 Jun 2011 21:29

KLNMurthy wrote:
harbans wrote:Didn't the US understand what Pakistan really is? I don't thing that their eyes and ears were not keeping their leadership duly informed.

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Krishna Menons' sanctimonious hour long sermons in the UN did'nt help either.

His sin of sanctimonious speech is not in how he felt about India and others. But doing it to an unreceptive audience that got India nothing! India came out looking like a loser. India was not a world power then. He punched far beyond his weight and looked silly and made India look even sillier. You don't punch when can't get away with it. It looked like a weakling shouting at the top of his voice complaining how righteous he was. It really doesn't matter if the weakling is righteous at all.

The world doesn't operate on righteousness alone and many Indians are clueless about it.

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Jun 2011 21:35

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

Mohammadden clerics in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan seek to have parts of the Bible declared blasphemous or alternatively banned:

June 01, 2011

Pakistani Muslims Want to Ban the Bible

A group of radical clerics in Pakistan wants the country's Supreme Court to declare certain passages in the Bible blasphemous - because they depict as flawed certain biblical characters whom Muslims regard as Islamic prophets.

If the court fails to do so, they said, then lawyers will submit an application for the Bible to be formally banned in Pakistan. …………………..

Fox News

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 02 Jun 2011 21:40

arun wrote:X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

Mohammadden clerics in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan seek to have parts of the Bible declared blasphemous or alternatively banned:

June 01, 2011

Pakistani Muslims Want to Ban the Bible

A group of radical clerics in Pakistan wants the country's Supreme Court to declare certain passages in the Bible blasphemous - because they depict as flawed certain biblical characters whom Muslims regard as Islamic prophets.

If the court fails to do so, they said, then lawyers will submit an application for the Bible to be formally banned in Pakistan. …………………..

Fox News

Even the broken clock is right twice day. Since Pakistan is an Islamic republic, its only consistent that they do that. It's not very different from the Bible Belt of the US trying to ban Sharia.

I never intervene when the Evangelicals and Islamists go at each other.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 02 Jun 2011 21:41

arun wrote:X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

Mohammadden clerics in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan seek to have parts of the Bible declared blasphemous or alternatively banned:

June 01, 2011

Pakistani Muslims Want to Ban the Bible

A group of radical clerics in Pakistan wants the country's Supreme Court to declare certain passages in the Bible blasphemous - because they depict as flawed certain biblical characters whom Muslims regard as Islamic prophets.

If the court fails to do so, they said, then lawyers will submit an application for the Bible to be formally banned in Pakistan. …………………..

Fox News

Ameen!

Next someone should petition the supreme-e-adalat to ban oxygen

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Jun 2011 21:42

Mahendra wrote:I don't see why people are having orga5ms over JA's comments made to some Pawki( haven't seen the video yet), even if JA Pwned the other guy what bl00dy difference does it make? If the idea is that JA made Pawkis see the reality then that idea falls flat on its face. JA's comments would be dismissed as the comments of a lower caste Muslim trying to please his Hindu masters in India.

This is bcus Non of the domestic problems should be part of the discussion especially with a Paki. They need bogey men to spread their hatred and they will latch on to anything. Indian - anybody should not use any analogy from inside India to explain to Paki people.
Some of the WKK are trying to create an image for the Paki mind to show how they can also be good with freedom of muslim faith just like in India. For that they should not use RSS as an example or other internal groups. Muslim religion does not need to use the name of RSS for their world view. India should not be used for the Muslim faith transformation or changes happening in other countries.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Jun 2011 21:46

Manny wrote: Didn't the US understand what Pakistan really is? I don't thing that their eyes and ears were not keeping their leadership duly informed.

Krishna Menons' sanctimonious hour long sermons in the UN did'nt help either.

India was not a world power then. He punched far beyond his weight and looked silly and made India look even sillier. You don't punch when can't get away with it. It looked like a weakling shouting at the top of his voice complaining how righteous he was. It really doesn't matter if the weakling is righteous at all.

India is not part of the chosen religions and hence will never get the recognition. This needs to be understood.