Telangana Monitor

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Jun 2011 22:21

My personal reading is that EJ activities and conversions are there for a while. However, as YSR and YSJ become the front news, the EJ stuff is being exaggerated and magnified so that an impression of some 30 to 40% as converted. More paranoid will say AP is becoming another Kerala in terms of religious demography.

I still think even if we exaggerate the total will not cross 20%. Note that this is extremely exaggarated stuff.

Less than one percent of Reddys, kammas, Kapus and other forward castes are converted. Less than 0.5% of BCs may have converted. But a substantial number of SCs (probably to the tune of 70%) are conveted especially in the coastal AP.

The conversions have reached its deadend inspite of huge efforts. More visibile glamour than reality. Strategies of countering EJs is more the reason for unitedness than divisiveness.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Jun 2011 23:19

ramana wrote:Devesh, Have you been to Bhadrachalam? The way is literally littered with American run churches in 2006. Must be even more now.

that is the one major place in AP i've never been to.

but I wouldn't be surprised. the same strategy is followed in Tirumala. they want churches on the hill.

Muppalla garu,
thanks for the cautious note. we should be careful not to fall into exaggeration trap. to magnify their presence is their motto. they've gotten to a few famous people and projecting a massive appeal. their websites show people with different backgrounds. you can clearly tell from the names of "testimonies" that the converts are from brahmin, sc/st, reddy, etc so the project the vision of broad and huge numbers. but the real numbers might be different.

check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDQmhd_9Wiw

there are people who find out pretty soon that it's just a game of exploitation and return to Dharma. but a concerted effort by Indic forces could reconvert a huge majority portion back and also stop the initial conversion itself from taking place by explaining to the people that it's just a power game for imperialists and racists.

RamaY ji,
the main obstacle with Velamas and Reddys taking up the mantle is that they remain mired in their feudal mentalities, and have completely forgotten their original Kshatriya attitudes. as you've already said, Velama, Reddys, Kapus, and Kammas need to find their kshatriya roots.

also, I don't believe for one second that most of Reddys are gone. that is an exaggeration. definitely not the case in Telangana. i know that for sure. the conversion of SC's is a more urgent concern. their economic backwardness can be exploited to created huge rifts in Indian society.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jun 2011 23:41

devesh, All of us have all four gunas: brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra. Its not confined to only some groups. We need to find our inner gunas to realize and uthista bharata!

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Jun 2011 23:53

^^^
agreed. different situations demand different qualities to be at the forefront. present situation requires the re-emergence of a dominant Kshatriya persona (that is not authoritative and asuric). perhaps I should have made my point in a different manner. I realize what you are saying. it's not just the V,R,2K's, but everybody in society needs to rise up and fight. Telugu man and woman needs to awaken to the frontal assault on his history and roots. the EJ's preach not to wear bindi, bangles, even Indian clothing, or speak Indian languages.....this is nothing more than an effort to deracinate the Indic people and destroy our sense of history. and to fight against it requires every section of population to realize that there is such a thing going on.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Jun 2011 00:06

devesh wrote:also, I don't believe for one second that most of Reddys are gone. that is an exaggeration. definitely not the case in Telangana. i know that for sure. the conversion of SC's is a more urgent concern. their economic backwardness can be exploited to created huge rifts in Indian society.

Absolutely. It is beyond exaggeration.

Some crazy folks starts propaganda like that and internet spreads it.

Reddys are same whether they are from any region and most of them are God fearing temple going folks. There are both rich and poor and middle class folks. Substantial percentage of the conversions in Reddys happened during pre-independence history in the coastal areas. It happened in the areas where the lands are rain fed and not river fed. In Telangana during those days, inspite of poverty, Reddys were rich due to prevelant fudalism and hence no conversions there.

The failure of AP is the population did not brand YSR and YSJ as not Reddys but some born again christians. Instead on the negative side, we all gave the room to the public to think that AP is similar to some Nagaland in terms of conversions.

The visibility and propaganda was increased using slush money but results are not great from EJs perspective. Draw a cross everywhere, aquire lands and construct churches uselessly to grab more money from US churches, putting un-necesaary hoardings or TV/Radio programs etc are the things that you see. The problem is not results but the tolerance of the public to the nuisance.

Brahmananda Reddy was very close to my great grandfather. He was a christian by birth that means his father is converted (early 20th century stuff). Per my grandfather and my father, he reconverted back and his kith and kin are all not converts.

Guntur district minus Tenali taluka and also prakasam districts are very poor districts and even today several regions inside these districts are mostly comparable to some of the backward districts of Telangana. Hot and arid land with no real rain. The areas are called as palanadu and initial conversions in 20s and 30s occured in these districts and a little extensions into Rayalaseema.

Conversions as a fashion/hip occured in 80s in few districts such as Krishna, West Godavari and again portions of Guntur (this is a big district). This is primarily in Kammas due to some anti-Hindu movements. This was also brief.

All the christian institutions like Mary Stella, Nirmala, Layola are reminents of Madras state into Vijayawada and Guntur. Nothing really new after AP was formed.

The real EJ activities and conversions in hoardes occured in late 80s and 90s and this is among Scheduled Castes and that is a total failure of everyone. Among the Backward Classes, fishermen were targeted and EJs had a lot of success.

The worst day will be when a lot of middle castes convert and that is the current focus.
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Coming back to Jagan and T, we have to analyze why the news papers and Rediff published that Jagan's luxury home with splashy cross etc. Got to have some targets and reasons.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jun 2011 00:14

Most conversions are due to the belief of getting a better deal.
During British days there was an idea that one could improve their lot/chances by that. The same perceptions is given to the poor in these times. The EJs have US backing and the implict INC backing. It might be baseless but that is the perception.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 02 Jun 2011 00:16

Time for Telangana
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opi ... 674024.cms

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Jun 2011 00:28

ramana wrote:Most conversions are due to the belief of getting a better deal.
During British days there was an idea that one could improve their lot/chances by that. The same perceptions is given to the poor in these times. The EJs have US backing and the implict INC backing. It might be baseless but that is the perception.

These are the rice christians. The dominance of the west in the last century resulted in this. With Asian economy and east growing this will change. But until then the propaganda will be fierce.

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 02 Jun 2011 13:58

Should not the Election Commission of India take note of and initiate appropriate action against the nascent political party which is overtly flaunting a religious symbol on its HQ building? Is it not against our 'secular' constitution for political parties to take religious stances?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 02 Jun 2011 17:29

NDTV Takes Over Sakshi Editorial

Look at this news, how can Jagan trust NDTV when its connection to Congress Leadership are known?

This has set me thinking could this be a masterstroke by INC.

Telegana state is declared, INC gets credit and wins in Telegana in 2014. Jagan opposes Telegana tooth and Nail unlike TDP. Wins in SeemaAndra, Joins UPA-III.

People were saying Chiranjeevi can never join Congress and he was firecly independant. Today we know the truth. He was funded by INC so that the anti-incumbancy vote got split and the Congress won handsomely in AP>

There is no plausible reason why Jagan and his Mom would leave Congress without asking MLA's and MP's in AP to resign which would have completly upset the applecart of Congress in Centre and State.

This so called fight between YSR Congress and INC is a Tamasha for Public purpose only. The aim to have your cake and then eat it and looks like both the Telegana and Seemandhra people are going to be taken for ride even though from 2004-2011 goverence standrards have really fallen low.

Look at the state of Hyderabad's economy has really collapsed, all the work by Naidu in bringing Hi-Tech city etc is being undone now.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jun 2011 21:33

TDP to move No Confidence Motion (NCM) in AP assembly.

If KKR govt loses it has to call for elections or President's rule.

Right now this govt is not even pretending to be in power or ruling.

Current status quo is not good for Andhra Pradesh or future Telangana.

Also the NCM will make all the players reveal their hand.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Jun 2011 21:36

^Ramanaji

my read >>
KKR govt will win the no-confidence motion.
TDP is putting KE as their speaker candidate.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 02 Jun 2011 21:44

what's NCM? and who's KE? sorry not being in AP at the moment makes it hard to keep track of everything and understand the initials.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Jun 2011 21:50

NCM - no confidence motion
KE - KE krishnamurthy

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jun 2011 21:54

Who is KE? I havent heard that name before. But then am not into AP politics nitty gritty.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 02 Jun 2011 21:57

ramana wrote:Who is KE? I havent heard that name before. But then am not into AP politics nitty gritty.

an multi time mla from kurnool.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jun 2011 21:59

Oh!

So they want to field some one from Jagan's area for speaker from TDP!

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 02 Jun 2011 22:07

ramana wrote:Oh!

So they want to field some one from Jagan's area for speaker from TDP!

Jagan is kadapa, sir.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jun 2011 22:09

Its all Rayalseema.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Jun 2011 22:21

http://www.ysrcongressparty.in/
http://www.ysrcongressparty.in/wp-conte ... 00x300.jpg

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 02 Jun 2011 22:56

There is a view, that in 2001, YSR egged on KCR to revolt in TDP, come out and form TRS. As long as YSR was alive he could contain KCR but after his death CongI mismanaged the issue and KCR turned into a Frankenstein, the party could not control. Similarly, before 2009 elections YSR created the Chiranjeevi-Praja Rajyam decoy which split the opposition votes. Privately, Chiru might have had his own agenda in playing along, hoping he would be able to ride to power on his numerically strong Kapu support but it came a cropper. So the possibility of Jagan as a decoy can not be ruled out; especially in view of his religious affiliation and the family's proximity to SoniaG. Earlier in Andhra Pradesh (Brahmananda Reddy faction and Chenna Reddy's Telangana Praja Samithi) and elsewhere (Tamil Manila Congress, Trinamul Congress, NCP and K. Karunakaran's Kerala Congress faction) too CongI splinter groups which formed regional formations either merged back with the parent party or joined hands with it to share power as allies.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jun 2011 23:50

Some quick moves per Hindu 2 mins ago!!!!

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyd ... 071707.ece

Nadendla Manohar gets elevation as Speaker

C. Damodar Rajanarasimha, Minister for Higher Education, has been officially sounded out to be the Deputy Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh in a chain of political developments triggered by the sudden decision of the government to convene a brief session of the Assembly and Council on June 4. The 52-year-old Dalit leader represents Andole Assembly constituency in Medak district of Telangana.

Manohar is Speaker

As expected, the Congress leadership has also decided to elevate Deputy Speaker Nadendla Manohar as Speaker of the Assembly, a post lying vacant since Kiran Kumar Reddy became Chief Minister in November last. Mr. Manohar tendered his resignation as Deputy Speaker on Thursday evening to pave the way for the Congress MLAs to propose his name for the Speakership.

Mr. Mallu Bhatti Vikramarka, presently Government Chief Whip, is likely to step into Mr. Manohar's shoes as he has been summoned to the State capital from Kakinada. In the Council, A. Chakrapani is tipped for a second term as Chairman although there is no clarity yet on who will be his deputy as the Congress leadership is undecided between Mohd. Jani and S. Jagadishwar Reddy.

Governor E.S.L. Narasimhan has appointed senior Congress member J.C. Diwakar Reddy as pro tem Speaker, who will have the onerous responsibility of conducting the Speaker's election. The Assembly has been convened to meet at 11 a.m. and the Council at 4 p.m., both on Saturday.

Immediately seizing the opportunity, a TDP delegation led by E. Dayakar Rao and Tummala Nageswara Rao submitted a notice of no-confidence motion to the Legislature Secretary S. Rajasadaram with the request for extending the House beyond the two days proposed by the government to facilitate a thorough debate on the government's failures, particularly on the farmers' front.

In the House of 294, the Congress and its allies — Praja Rajyam, MIM, and Independents — have a strength of 183, while the Opposition parties led by the TDP have 110, including the lone YSR Congress Party member Y.S. Vijayamma.

Government sources said the prime focus of the session was to elect the new Speaker as the business relating to the Governor's notification would take precedence over all other developments. They expressed scepticism whether or not the no-confidence motion would be taken up at all.

Meanwhile, the name of Information Technology Minister Ponnala Lakshmaiah, currently on a tour of Israel, cropped up as a possible candidate for the post of APCC president. In any event, the party is keen on appointing a BC leader — Mr. Lakshmaiah or Botcha Satyanarayana or a Kapu, Kanna Lakshminarayana, — to the top party post.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Jun 2011 00:02

^^^

Botsa is a corrupt goon who was involved in the Vishakhapatnam Volkswagon scandal in 2005-06 during YSR-I. it was a major embarrassment with him being the Marketing minister and gobbling crores, and finally the VW official being crooked and getting fired from VW. it was a huge scandal, but there have been bigger ones and the episode has been forgotten.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Jun 2011 07:17

devesh wrote:^^^

Botsa is a corrupt goon who was involved in the Vishakhapatnam Volkswagon scandal in 2005-06 during YSR-I. it was a major embarrassment with him being the Marketing minister and gobbling crores, and finally the VW official being crooked and getting fired from VW. it was a huge scandal, but there have been bigger ones and the episode has been forgotten.

Botsa,Thoorpu Kapu, ate in VW deal. Ponnala, Munnuru Kapu, ate in Jalayagnam. Ponnala might have better chance as he was YSR loyalist so this can keep him away from Jagan. Elevation of Nadela means no high position for Guntur so Kanna, Kapu, is ruled out.

That leaves Chiru or Pallam Raju, the central minister, for PCC cheif post if Congress wants to keep the Kapus for the post. To put a dent into TDP's BC votebank, they may make a BC from Telanagana the chief.

The announced posts are all expected for many months.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Jun 2011 07:27

Aditya_V wrote: This has set me thinking could this be a masterstroke by INC.

Telegana state is declared, INC gets credit and wins in Telegana in 2014. Jagan opposes Telegana tooth and Nail unlike TDP. Wins in SeemaAndra, Joins UPA-III.

People were saying Chiranjeevi can never join Congress and he was firecly independant. Today we know the truth. He was funded by INC so that the anti-incumbancy vote got split and the Congress won handsomely in AP>

There is no plausible reason why Jagan and his Mom would leave Congress without asking MLA's and MP's in AP to resign which would have completly upset the applecart of Congress in Centre and State.

This so called fight between YSR Congress and INC is a Tamasha for Public purpose only. The aim to have your cake and then eat it and looks like both the Telegana and Seemandhra people are going to be taken for ride even though from 2004-2011 goverence standrards have really fallen low.

Look at the state of Hyderabad's economy has really collapsed, all the work by Naidu in bringing Hi-Tech city etc is being undone now.

I've been saying same since day one that it is Con-Tamasha. TDP rightly termed Congress, TRS, and Jagan as Dongala Muta (gang of theives).

Only thing is if Jagan pulls Congress votebank (Reddy+SCs) instead Congress dependance on him grows higher and he can be local satrap.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 03 Jun 2011 07:48

unarayanadas wrote:Should not the Election Commission of India take note of and initiate appropriate action against the nascent political party which is overtly flaunting a religious symbol on its HQ building? Is it not against our 'secular' constitution for political parties to take religious stances?

I won't hold my breath waiting for EC to do anything, even after receiving written complaints. The reason being that the Kerala precedence of a Indian Union *Muslim* league (IUML) already exists since many years (since 1947 n fact).

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Jun 2011 08:36

Aditya_V wrote:Telegana state is declared, INC gets credit and wins in Telegana in 2014. Jagan opposes Telegana tooth and Nail unlike TDP. Wins in SeemaAndra, Joins UPA-III.

In that case TRS will win T. TDP and Jagan splits Seemandhra. We are giving too much of credibility to Jagan and some are assuming that AP is some converted state. Jagan cannot win too much of seemandhra. TDP may not be in its great shape but will not lose badly even in a worst case.

I don't think INC has all the cards. We are giving too much of mystical charm to it. We are also taking away too much of TDP away from the picture in the discussions and analysis here. It is a stalemate in AP and INC did not expect this when they took on Jagan and Telangana. Even for KCR it is a stalemate. What next in T movement? They did all that is possible and there is nothing else remaining.

As per news every one wants a decisive solution but Sonia is in favor of continuing the T problem until 2013. She clearly thinks solution to T problem will dissolve INC.

Jagan is dependent upon sensation. How many sensations he can create? If congress wins the no-confidence then he has to sweat it out. People are fedup and when they are fedup you will see TN/WB style results.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Jun 2011 08:44

ShyamSP wrote:Only thing is if Jagan pulls Congress votebank (Reddy+SCs) instead Congress dependance on him grows higher and he can be local satrap.

It will be a huge disaster from both Jagan and Congress. The reality is if either congress or Jagan does not get substantial (not token) backward class votes, there is no chance in the world that either of them can win seemandhra irrespective of T issue.

Kapus also are not some mullah style votebank. They wanted leadership and they saw that in Chiru. That fizzled out and they can get the current INC stuff even in TDP. They are the swingers between INC and TDP. Chiru going to INC means Kapus are not going to be one block. If TDP gives good number of seats to Kapus in key areas it will win them too.

On top of everything, public is fedup to the core. Not all will be just caste and money.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Jun 2011 08:54

^^^

Muppalla garu, public is always fedup onlee.....when is it not? these claims of public being fedup are dubious.....they are made routinely, without any after thought, and the phrase is repeated by media like a mantra.....but I don't know first hand situation at the moment, so I could be wrong...

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Jun 2011 09:10

Muppalla wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:Only thing is if Jagan pulls Congress votebank (Reddy+SCs) instead Congress dependance on him grows higher and he can be local satrap.
It will be a huge disaster from both Jagan and Congress. The reality is if either congress or Jagan does not get substantial (not token) backward class votes, there is no chance in the world that either of them can win seemandhra irrespective of T issue.

Kapus also are not some mullah style votebank. They wanted leadership and they saw that in Chiru. That fizzled out and they can get the current INC stuff even in TDP. They are the swingers between INC and TDP. Chiru going to INC means Kapus are not going to be one block. If TDP gives good number of seats to Kapus in key areas it will win them too.

On top of everything, public is fedup to the core. Not all will be just caste and money.

My comment was from Jagan perspective. So far he is majorly attracting Reddies and Christian SCs and Reddies. Goal might be to put enough dent to Congress to push for a compromise where he can get to reign. Original goal might be to put dent into TDP but that is not working as expected.

TDP called his bluff of forcing TDP to call no-confidence. He may be in for major embarrassment if he at least doesn't get original 25 MLAs on his side.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Jun 2011 14:27

Just now had a discussion with a major contractor and builder at Hyderabad who is doing works in many states. According to him, Congress is not going to get any votes in any elections in near future because of the mess it has created in the state. It seems that they have sent a indication to industrialists and contractors who are close the congress that they will not give Telangana. They are no afraid that any elections now will result in Jagan becoming CM and as per their assessment Jagan may get some 30 seats in Telangana areas also and will sweep rest of the state. So no change in status quo and drag the matter one way of other.

I do not know how for it is true but since the contractors have crores at stake at any given time their information may be correct.

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 04 Jun 2011 19:01

It is apparent from the elections to the posts of Speaker and Deputy Speaker that there was cross-voting. Apparently 25 Congress MLAs defied the whip and voted against its candidates. Does the Congress have the courage to take action against the rebels?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jun 2011 19:13

unarayanadas wrote:It is apparent from the elections to the posts of Speaker and Deputy Speaker that there was cross-voting. Apparently 25 Congress MLAs defied the whip and voted against its candidates. Does the Congress have the courage to take action against the rebels?

I don't think there is any crossvoting. Could you put a news source supporting your statement? Even Jagan's mother seems to have voted to congress. So called Jagan's supporters also voted to congress candidates. TRS, CPM etc. abstained.

The game of CBN to prove Jagan and congress are same but just drama bazi is proven in its first step. Let us see if there are 25 real Jagan supporters who has the courage to bring the government down when no-confidence vote comes up.

CBN's game plan is very simple, he is on the campaign trial to tell the seemandrha folks that Jagan and INC are same and they are all the reasons for the mess. Elections are too far away and I will not write off CBN. Jagan's success if possible if and only if the results are quick and he just cannot sustain for another two years.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jun 2011 19:16

Narayana Rao wrote:Just now had a discussion with a major contractor and builder at Hyderabad who is doing works in many states. According to him, Congress is not going to get any votes in any elections in near future because of the mess it has created in the state. It seems that they have sent a indication to industrialists and contractors who are close the congress that they will not give Telangana. They are no afraid that any elections now will result in Jagan becoming CM and as per their assessment Jagan may get some 30 seats in Telangana areas also and will sweep rest of the state. So no change in status quo and drag the matter one way of other.

I do not know how for it is true but since the contractors have crores at stake at any given time their information may be correct.

All contractors are part of YSR mafia. They will always tell their wishful thinking as some true stories. One thing is true, they will pay to anyone congress, TRS to get their business done. T formation has no moneyed lobby which is very important these days in Delhi.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 04 Jun 2011 19:32

Muppalla wrote:
unarayanadas wrote:It is apparent from the elections to the posts of Speaker and Deputy Speaker that there was cross-voting. Apparently 25 Congress MLAs defied the whip and voted against its candidates. Does the Congress have the courage to take action against the rebels?
I don't think there is any crossvoting. Could you put a news source supporting your statement? Even Jagan's mother seems to have voted to congress. So called Jagan's supporters also voted to congress candidates. TRS, CPM etc. abstained.

The game of CBN to prove Jagan and congress are same but just drama bazi is proven in its first step. Let us see if there are 25 real Jagan supporters who has the courage to bring the government down when no-confidence vote comes up.

CBN's game plan is very simple, he is on the campaign trial to tell the seemandrha folks that Jagan and INC are same and they are all the reasons for the mess. Elections are too far away and I will not write off CBN. Jagan's success if possible if and only if the results are quick and he just cannot sustain for another two years.

Yep!

Congress is now saying there is no need for no-confidence as Speaker election which was done with open voting itself indicative of confidence.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels ... sembly-276
Manohar elected as Speaker of AP Assembly
...Manohar polled 158 votes while Krishna Murthy got 90...
...The 'rebel' legislators voted in favour of their respective party candidates while BJP, CPI and Lok Satta members did not vote. While the PRP and MIM voted for Congress, the lone CPM member voted for TDP. The 11-member TRS group stayed away from the proceedings...

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jun 2011 19:57

ShyamSP wrote:Congress is now saying there is no need for no-confidence as Speaker election which was done with open voting itself indicative of confidence.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels ... sembly-276
Manohar elected as Speaker of AP Assembly
...Manohar polled 158 votes while Krishna Murthy got 90...
...The 'rebel' legislators voted in favour of their respective party candidates while BJP, CPI and Lok Satta members did not vote. While the PRP and MIM voted for Congress, the lone CPM member voted for TDP. The 11-member TRS group stayed away from the proceedings...

Looks like there is some locha. Some 20 INC members seems to have abstained. Here is the strength. I included all rebels inside the party positions.

Total seats 294
Congress 157
Telugu Desam Party (TDP) 90
Praja Rajyam Party (PRP) 18
Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) 10
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) 2
Communist Party of India (CPI) 4
Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M)1
Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM) 7
Lok Satta 1
Independents 4

Manohar should get 157+18+7 = 182. Four INC folks are abroad and know absentions. Irony is YSR's wife voted for Manohar. In that case 182-4-158 = 20 are suspect.

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 04 Jun 2011 21:27

Muppalla wrote:
unarayanadas wrote:It is apparent from the elections to the posts of Speaker and Deputy Speaker that there was cross-voting. Apparently 25 Congress MLAs defied the whip and voted against its candidates. Does the Congress have the courage to take action against the rebels?
I don't think there is any crossvoting. Could you put a news source supporting your statement? Even Jagan's mother seems to have voted to congress. So called Jagan's supporters also voted to congress candidates. TRS, CPM etc. abstained.

The game of CBN to prove Jagan and congress are same but just drama bazi is proven in its first step. Let us see if there are 25 real Jagan supporters who has the courage to bring the government down when no-confidence vote comes up.

CBN's game plan is very simple, he is on the campaign trial to tell the seemandrha folks that Jagan and INC are same and they are all the reasons for the mess. Elections are too far away and I will not write off CBN. Jagan's success if possible if and only if the results are quick and he just cannot sustain for another two years.

I have seen a scroll in a news channel - I am afraid I can't remember which - that the total number of votes (Congress+PRP+MIM) should be 183 whereas Nadendla Manohar polled only 158 which meant 25 votes were missing. Mallu Bhatti Vikramarka polled 164 votes. Even in his case there is a discrepancy which could not be explained. Later scrolls also said that there was some mistake in counting and the officials were checking again. I did not understand how this could happen with such small numbers.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jun 2011 06:35

Are we looking at the Telangana from a wrong prespective? Seeing the mayhem that NAC is doing elsewhere, is the real objective coastal Andhra to be detached from Telengana? INC plays such deep games that no one understands their maya.

Yes we see KCR, TRS, JAC and Naxal annalu demanding Telangana while Seemandhra types run like headless chickens. There are no tall leaders from Andhra in INC. So whats the game?Is it to create a coastal belt from Orissa to Kerala?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Jun 2011 08:53

Congress does have lot of maya with them. But the need is to win massive no of seats from AP is there more now with TN seems to be write off case, unless they join Jaya. Communists have regained ground in Kerala from 2009 and Karnataka is with BJP and may stay in 2014 with them only. So getting 30 plus from AP in 2014 just like 2009 is a must for Congress if Rahul Baba with to become PM.

I think they have lost their touch in AP during YSR time and after his death they fail to recovery their touch in full. They are in the process. Chiru joining INC and weakening TDP in the state is their success story so for. Containing Jagan is the main task now.

Jagan made a statement that he will give seats to MLA's who will win as per this survey. That created a fear in MLA's and they are not willing to Jump to him. INC has a challenge to regain the base before 2014 and he has a challenge to keep the momentum till that period. T agitation with lack to serious money power back up and fear of a naxal take over, and the fear of dynamo effect in division demands if given unilaterally is now facing some problem.

If the manner of handling of Ramdev agitation is an indication INC is now may want to play hard ball on T movement.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 07 Jun 2011 07:09

ShyamSP wrote: Botsa,Thoorpu Kapu, ate in VW deal. Ponnala, Munnuru Kapu, ate in Jalayagnam. Ponnala might have better chance as he was YSR loyalist so this can keep him away from Jagan. Elevation of Nadela means no high position for Guntur so Kanna, Kapu, is ruled out.

That leaves Chiru or Pallam Raju, the central minister, for PCC cheif post if Congress wants to keep the Kapus for the post. To put a dent into TDP's BC votebank, they may make a BC from Telanagana the chief.

The announced posts are all expected for many months.

Botsa is chosen new PCC chief
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels ... -chief-834

All prep work by Congress and Botsa for last 1 1/2 year worked for Botsa.
* YSR loyal -> Anti-Jagan transition
* Pro-United -> Telangana transition
* Cases got dropped on VW corruption
* Kapu lobbying and Hailing Gandhis

Perfect for Obfuscation of EVM manipulation:
* Strong Kapu votebank won Coastal (except Nellore and Prakasam) for Congress
* Jagan phenomenon wiped TDP in RS and Prakasam and Nellore
* Positive comments made Congress and TRS sweep Telangana

It really doesn't matter majority of voters voted against Congress in 2014.